Imported canadian wolf kills

[runniNgunnin]

to bad about the calve, but awesome, awesome pic with the trail camera mulehunter

[bearpaw]

That's really interesting that F&W Fitkins said this cow kill was not wolf caused. First thing I noticed is that the a$$ is eaten out. The horse that was recently killed in idaho when my neighbor was visiting her dad, same thing, they ate the a$$ out. Idaho F&G confirmed it as wolves first time they looked.

Also all the wolf killed elk photos, a good percentage have the a$$ eaten out just like that cow.

As a hound hunter and cougar expert, I have studied dozens of cougar kills, I can take one look and tell you that probably was not a cougar kill. I can also tell you that i have never seen coyotes only eat on something in that manner.

Based on other photos of wolf kills, it appears to be a wolf kill. Were wolf tracks found around the carcass?

[bearpaw]

I think a big problem in this state is that they do not have an experienced wolf biologist. This state needs a biologist that has on the ground experience in Idaho or Montana, so we can save making any mistakes that have already been made in other states.

[wolfbait]

That's really interesting that F&W Fitkins said this cow kill was not wolf caused. First thing I noticed is that the a$$ is eaten out. The horse that was recently killed in idaho when my neighbor was visiting her dad, same thing, they ate the a$$ out. Idaho F&G confirmed it as wolves first time they looked.

Also all the wolf killed elk photos, a good percentage have the a$$ eaten out just like that cow.

As a hound hunter and cougar expert, I have studied dozens of cougar kills, I can take one look and tell you that probably was not a cougar kill. I can also tell you that i have never seen coyotes only eat on something in that manner.

Based on other photos of wolf kills, it appears to be a wolf kill. Were wolf tracks found around the carcass?

Yep, there were a lot of wolf tracks around the cow and as you can see, the ground was all torn up for about 50 ft around the cow. As you know, cougars don't spend that much time killing game--it's a done deal for them in a short time. Coyotes would never be able to pull a full grown cow down and no bear tracks were found at the scene. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it was wolves. I believe that F&W Fitkin embraces the environmentalists and their agendas. So yes, we do need a biologist that is not biased.

[mulehunter]

I think a big problem in this state is that they do not have an experienced wolf biologist. This state needs a biologist that has on the ground experience in Idaho or Montana, so we can save making any mistakes that have already been made in other states.

  Wdfw need to FIRED Scott Fitkin, and someone can do it better than Him.  I was thinking about asking WDFW if there is avaible job for me!


Mulehunter   

[bearpaw]

The commission was also asking WDFW questions about the peer review of the wolf plan, seems they have some doubt that the peer review was done by qualified scietists, they requested a list of the supposed experts.

I have real serious concerns that our wolf plan is going to be the product of people with no real-life wolf experience. This may be a point that we need to drive hom with legislators and county commissioners.

[WAcoyotehunter]

That's really interesting that F&W Fitkins said this cow kill was not wolf caused. First thing I noticed is that the a$$ is eaten out. The horse that was recently killed in idaho when my neighbor was visiting her dad, same thing, they ate the a$$ out. Idaho F&G confirmed it as wolves first time they looked.

Also all the wolf killed elk photos, a good percentage have the a$$ eaten out just like that cow.

As a hound hunter and cougar expert, I have studied dozens of cougar kills, I can take one look and tell you that probably was not a cougar kill. I can also tell you that i have never seen coyotes only eat on something in that manner.

Based on other photos of wolf kills, it appears to be a wolf kill. Were wolf tracks found around the carcass?

Yep, there were a lot of wolf tracks around the cow and as you can see, the ground was all torn up for about 50 ft around the cow. As you know, cougars don't spend that much time killing game--it's a done deal for them in a short time. Coyotes would never be able to pull a full grown cow down and no bear tracks were found at the scene. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it was wolves. I believe that F&W Fitkin embraces the environmentalists and their agendas. So yes, we do need a biologist that is not biased.

How do we know the cow did not die calving?  That could also explain the ass being eaten out...did she prolapse and become wolfbait on her own?  I've killed lots of coyotes over dead cows and they always seem to eat the ass on eyes out first.   Not sure why wolves would not do the same thing. 

BTW- ass wounds are not generally fatal- what killed this cow?  Was the throat or nose destroyed?

[WAcoyotehunter]

The commission was also asking WDFW questions about the peer review of the wolf plan, seems they have some doubt that the peer review was done by qualified scietists, they requested a list of the supposed experts.

I have real serious concerns that our wolf plan is going to be the product of people with no real-life wolf experience. This may be a point that we need to drive hom with legislators and county commissioners.

i agree.

[boneaddict]

I agree as well.

[runamuk]

That's really interesting that F&W Fitkins said this cow kill was not wolf caused. First thing I noticed is that the a$$ is eaten out. The horse that was recently killed in idaho when my neighbor was visiting her dad, same thing, they ate the a$$ out. Idaho F&G confirmed it as wolves first time they looked.

Also all the wolf killed elk photos, a good percentage have the a$$ eaten out just like that cow.

As a hound hunter and cougar expert, I have studied dozens of cougar kills, I can take one look and tell you that probably was not a cougar kill. I can also tell you that i have never seen coyotes only eat on something in that manner.

Based on other photos of wolf kills, it appears to be a wolf kill. Were wolf tracks found around the carcass?

Yep, there were a lot of wolf tracks around the cow and as you can see, the ground was all torn up for about 50 ft around the cow. As you know, cougars don't spend that much time killing game--it's a done deal for them in a short time. Coyotes would never be able to pull a full grown cow down and no bear tracks were found at the scene. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it was wolves. I believe that F&W Fitkin embraces the environmentalists and their agendas. So yes, we do need a biologist that is not biased.

How do we know the cow did not die calving?  That could also explain the ass being eaten out...did she prolapse and become wolfbait on her own?  I've killed lots of coyotes over dead cows and they always seem to eat the ass on eyes out first.   Not sure why wolves would not do the same thing.  

BTW- ass wounds are not generally fatal- what killed this cow?  Was the throat or nose destroyed?

This is also typical of marauding dogs......it is a canine behavior to grab from behind...I've seen many horses attacked by dogs having their anuses ripped out and tails ripped off.  Anyone with basic canine knowledge would know this it isn't rocket science and if we have a biologist who doesn't know the difference between canine and feline kills then we have serious problems  

[WAcoyotehunter]

I agree that a canine and cat kill should be somewhat different, but- what evidence is there that this was wolf kill?  Tracks don't make necessarily indicate a wolf kill to me because they could have been scavenging a carcass.  How do we know she didn't die calving?

Dogs could have killed this cow also, who knows?  Wolves are just becoming a convienient scapegoat.

Tracks don't mean a thing....coyotes eat on carcasses all the time- that doesn't mean they killed it.

[runamuk]

I agree that a canine and cat kill should be somewhat different, but- what evidence is there that this was wolf kill?  Tracks don't make necessarily indicate a wolf kill to me because they could have been scavenging a carcass.  How do we know she didn't die calving?

Dogs could have killed this cow also, who knows?  Wolves are just becoming a convienient scapegoat.

Tracks don't mean a thing....coyotes eat on carcasses all the time- that doesn't mean they killed it.

I actually agree with you 
I was pointing out that this style of kill is typical of canines....and we should have a biologist that knows this and even better would be a biologist that can identify the type of canines based on evidence at the scene.... I would guess it wasn't jackals seeing as we don't have many of those here  

[WAcoyotehunter]

  I think you have a great point.  WA needs a wolf specialist that has dealt with depredation issues and can give an expert opinion on these issues.  They have that as a goal listed in their draft plan...now with budget restraints and cuts who knows when they will be able to do hire someone....hopefully sooner rather than later.

[tlbradford]

I agree with you two that it anyone with a little knowledge should be able to make an educated guess on what killed the cow.  It is pretty typical to have coyotes blamed for a cat kill since they are eating on a carcass when it is found by a rancher.  Bite marks around the nose and back of the neck are typical of a cat kill.  Throat wounds are typical of a canine kill.  Tracks mean nothing.  If a gamie made a statement to that affect, then he should be called a *censored* and needs to pick up the phone and get someone knowledgeable out there. 

[tlbradford]

One other thing I forgot to mention is that people have had virtually no luck calling in wolves.  Almost all hunting is spot and stalk.  In Canada they hunt grids and do a drives, or hunt over bait or carcasses.  The only calling success I have heard of has been accidental.