Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Sucks for snowmobilers, Mt bikers and ORV users!

[Broken Arrow]

WOW...WEIRD THREAD.......RMEF hates hunters?...ok

[Special T]

Turbo is a little fired up...  I think what he is saying is don't trust the an-ti's... if ya get in bed with them they will slit your throat in the middle of the night... Ducks unlimited has joined with a couple of an-it's groups and destroyed(returned to wetland) an island in the fir island segment Skagit Co that used to be planted for waterfowl... they did it in the name of Salmon restoration.....  I don't think some of the hunter led conservation groups can stay true to their core principals/ constituency by hooking up with groups like the Serra club etc...  

[CastleRocker]

I agree with Turbo 100%.  We also hunt the wilderness, and believe there is enough of it.   

For the RMEF to close an area to sleds, by saying it is saving habitat is a bunch of bs.  The conservationists are using the divide and conquer tactic, and like I said; it seems to be working. 

Waiting for Norsepeak to see this thread. 

[stewcamp]

I think you need to research The Rocky Mountain Elk foundation a little more before you go bashing it. They helped secure 61,000 + acres now called the Naneum ridge state forest for elk hunting to the public as well as many other areas. If you enjoy hunting and riding you will realize there is a place and time for both. I also love to ride but not where people hunt. There are plenty of designated areas to ride. Do you enjoy hiking your ass off behind gates to see a quad or bike come flying past you and ruining your hunt. Not me! Take a minute to research them and I think you will find they do a hell of a lot for hunters.

[sako223]

I have supported the RMEF for some time. Hunting ground /habitat is an important issue.
Disrespectful & lazy hunters along with ORV's have created growing problems with access to public and private ground. We have less resources to control this.
Natural resource leases and purchases have peaked in recent years, impacting wildlife in many areas in the US.
We are fortunate to have so much diverse public ground in this state for hunting.
With all that I am against having any more closed access hunting ground.

[turbo]

WOW...WEIRD THREAD.......RMEF hates hunters?...ok

No, The Sierra club hates hunters and the Nature conservancy hates hunters and now RMEF is in bed with them! Why would they do that?? Is it that hard to understand?

Do you really think that by getting in bed with the enemy (the Sierra club and Nature conservancy for those on the short bus) and giving them YOUR money and support by membership numbers, that's going to help the hunting cause?? What good is more habitat if their ultimate goal is to stop you from using it?

If you do, then I know a really fiscally conservative great governor you should re-elect. Yep, I'm fired up!

[3dvapor]

i agree with you to a point.  i have a hard time trusting anyone associated with sierra club, and even now cabelas co. is purchasing thousands of acres in the midwest and montana to be used as part of their guideing programs.  some of my fondest memories are riding quads, fat cats, and rhinos during archery season.  some of the places we hunt in idaho if it rains or snows the roads turn to gumbo mud and my truck becomes useless in this country.  plenty of elk , and access to all.  in other words there was horse country, orv trails, and gravel roads all in the same unit.

[KillerMiller]

the Nature conservancy hates hunters :

Weird,  I got written hunting permission to hunt land purchased by this group.

[norsepeak]

Hey Castlerock,  appreciated the shout....I had a long conversation with the local game warden a couple of weeks ago about these very same issues....after talking with him and seeing some of the posts and personallities on here, I've given up "voiceing" my opinions and observations that I make in my 200+ days a year in the woods.  He told me these types of things are happening all over the west and will only continue because hunters as a group cannot get organized and work together which I see everyday on this sight.  The bow hunters hate the rifle hunters, the muzzleloaders hate the bow hunters, the rifle hunters hate the other two, the "wilderness" hunters hate quads/jeeps, the road hunters hate the wilderness hunters...etc. etc....as long as we as hunters collectively cannot work together, we will continue to lose hunting land for all of us to use.  I could go on and on about motorized uses in national land, vs. wilderness uses but I feel like it's a waist of my time on the this forum, so I'll just keep spending a lot of time in the woods enjoying my ATV's, dirtbike, snowmobiles, jeep and hunting and not worry about it, what will be, will be.

[Bigfoot]

I say support RMEF and keep all ORV's off the trails on public land, especially in wilderness areas.  If you want to hunt where there are no roads, walk your ass in there.  If you want to ride your quad, go do it on timber company land.  My 

[sako223]

He told me these types of things are happening all over the west and will only continue because hunters as a group cannot get organized and work together which I see everyday on this sight.  The bow hunters hate the rifle hunters, the muzzleloaders hate the bow hunters, the rifle hunters hate the other two, the "wilderness" hunters hate quads/jeeps, the road hunters hate the wilderness hunters...etc. etc....as long as we as hunters collectively cannot work together, we will continue to lose hunting land for all of us to use.

I have been saying this here and elsewhere for several years. Get scoffed at every time. Our seasons will be going right along with any other losses.

I say support RMEF and keep all ORV's off the trails on public land, especially in wilderness areas.  If you want to hunt where there are no roads, walk your ass in there.  If you want to ride your quad, go do it on timber company land.  My

Public land is the important part here. Multiple user group. We already have wilderness & national & state parks. Feel free to use it. The rest of the land should be available for all of us to use.

[300bullelk]

I agree with Norse!! We spend so much time bashing each other and fail to realize that some folks reading these posts are using us to spread there agendas. Grow the hell up! Get over yourselves. See ya in the woods Norse!!

[turbo]

Hey Castlerock,  appreciated the shout....I had a long conversation with the local game warden a couple of weeks ago about these very same issues....after talking with him and seeing some of the posts and personallities on here, I've given up "voiceing" my opinions and observations that I make in my 200+ days a year in the woods.  He told me these types of things are happening all over the west and will only continue because hunters as a group cannot get organized and work together which I see everyday on this sight.  The bow hunters hate the rifle hunters, the muzzleloaders hate the bow hunters, the rifle hunters hate the other two, the "wilderness" hunters hate quads/jeeps, the road hunters hate the wilderness hunters...etc. etc....as long as we as hunters collectively cannot work together, we will continue to lose hunting land for all of us to use.  I could go on and on about motorized uses in national land, vs. wilderness uses but I feel like it's a waist of my time on the this forum, so I'll just keep spending a lot of time in the woods enjoying my ATV's, dirtbike, snowmobiles, jeep and hunting and not worry about it, what will be, will be.

Good post and all true.

[colockumelk]

Just because the RMEF partnered with the Sierra Club one time doesn't mean that that's a bad thing.  As smart as the RMEF is I doubt they would enter into a partnership in an area if it wasn't in the best interests for us hunters.  So like I said calm down and wait and see. 

[high country]

I say support RMEF and keep all ORV's off the trails on public land, especially in wilderness areas.  If you want to hunt where there are no roads, walk your ass in there.  If you want to ride your quad, go do it on timber company land.  My 

well lets say we kill off all the forest service roads to motorized rigs of all kinds....which is the vibe I recieved from your post...my father who served 2 tours in vietnam and is unable to walk, will never again enjoy the view from any of the several mountain tops we can now drive to. firewood will be a thing of the past....timber co.s don't have enough dead and down to keep us all warm and the wood cutting pirates that uesd to buy wood permits on fs land would need to rob from the timber co lands.....more closed gates. the average guy is never going to walk the 10-20 miles to any of my local high mountain lakes.....which will not matter if f&g can't drive there to stock them. it goes on and on....

I am a serious backcountry hunter. I have a diesease that makes me want to go where most folks won't and I do it on foot. I am also a backcountry snowmobilier. I live in an area that has seen closures for a caribou that have never beens seen and never been able to have a shed produced....but it is still closed for the grey ghost. I am most overwhelmed by the trapper burn closre at priest lake......caribou eat lichen from trees, old silver trees do not have lichen.....the burn is composed of those very old silver trees.

any time you close an area to any specific crowd they are going to try to get it reopend.....which almost never works, then they will try to get it closed to other groups.....it sux, but it is fact. roadless area are great for hunters, but it also compounds the use on the open areas increasing reosion and traffic. wilderness areas are a great thing if you are lucky enough to be able to use them......my dad, who put his life on the line for all of us will never know what it is to sit in rainbow falls or see the sun rise from the willam douglas, or......well it does not matter.
we as a country need to realize that it was diversity that founded this country and made it great. partisanship is killing us, be it political or otherwise, there is more to life then bandwagons and fire sales.

I hope everyone gets the chance to pack in to a backcountry trip and come out heavy.....it really gets you in touch with your inner salts, as does parking on top of south baldy with your dad remembering all the fish you caught in the lakes below, as does being totally alone at 7k feet on top of a mountain that you have no idea what the vegitation may be because it lies 30 feet under a snow drift. thoes are what make life for me. I sure get sick of having to defend it.