Anti's Youtube Video regarding Skagit Elk Hunt

[Alan K]

Dont have time to read the whole thread, but I did watch the whole video.  What a joke lol. . . If they think bowhunting is barbaric they should watch some videos of their beloved wolves ripping elk apart and eating them alive. . .

[bearpaw]

The members on this forum are more concerned about pain and suffering of deer and elk than the antis really are....

That's beyond ridiculous. It is not based on anything factual.

I think bearpaw is saying they don't care a bit about animal pain and suffering, but more about advancing their agenda.  We try to ensure shot placement, proper equipment, etc., to ensure the quickest kill possile.  Correct me if I'm wrong, bearpaw?

*edited for spelling

Skillet you read my thoughts exactly right....

Sometimes I post comments that are hard to understand, my apologies. I think many hunters are more concerned about not making an animal suffer any more than absolutely necessary. The antis use that for theiir argument to stop hunting, but if they really cared about animal suuffering, they would want to at least manage predators appropriately. Predators inflict much more pain when hunting than human hunters.

[billythekidrock]

The game department could have stepped in and called it a safety hazard?  The fact of the matter is there was plenty of time to fiqure out what to do.  The Elk were there from Daylight 7:30ish until after 12:00 noon. 

I agree. This would have been an appropriate action on behalf of the DFW. Another would have been to ask those that pulled over on the hiway to move on or get a citation.

[billythekidrock]

I just watched the anti video, and I have seen the news footage before.

While I don't agree with the guys shooting those elk while a crowd watched, here is the first thing that popped into my mind when I started watching the elk being shot at again that were wounded:

If those bowhunters were wolves, the crowd would have been cheering them on, but since it was human bowhunters they are hated by the same people who would be cheering on the wolves.

It's not that those antis are so concerned about an animal suffering, they really could care less about deer and elk, that is just a smoke screen to accomplish there goal of keeping people from hunting. They hate society and people......

Like i said, throw a pack of wolves in the field and they woiuld be cheering while the elk were eaten alive....

That my friends is the sad truth.

Absolutely!

[Axle]

One goal of the game department is to get the elk out of the private farmers fields and back into the mountains.
One way to do this is to cause a commotion and run them or scare them into the hills. Remember on the video, the guy said they tried to scare them off without hunting them (he used other words).
If this commotion got them out of there, then it would be considered a success. I have my doubts that they will want to stay up in the hills with all the other predators.
Archery is a good way to accomplish this. It has been used in orchards on the east side many times for deer. It keeps the kills down but runs off the animals (normally).
If you just 'drop' a few of them with a gun and haul them off, the others will just stand and watch.
(just a thought)

[high country]

One goal of the game department is to get the elk out of the private farmers fields and back into the mountains.
One way to do this is to cause a commotion and run them or scare them into the hills. Remember on the video, the guy said they tried to scare them off without hunting them (he used other words).
If this commotion got them out of there, then it would be considered a success. I have my doubts that they will want to stay up in the hills with all the other predators.
Archery is a good way to accomplish this. It has been used in orchards on the east side many times for deer. It keeps the kills down but runs off the animals (normally).
If you just 'drop' a few of them with a gun and haul them off, the others will just stand and watch.
(just a thought)

the dept uses master hunters for this pretty often. what they want is the hunters to slip in unnoticed, kill the animals or haze them off and slip out unnoticed. typically it goes off w/o a hitch. this was a bit different, these guys were guys like you and I that just burned their points on this chance and while the opportunity to take an elk was present the opportunity to do so unnoticed was not. master hunters would have likely faced the board on this one, but a guy burning his points is a different story.

the dept really dropped the ball. I just hate to see these guy grilled for taking elk in an open season on a legal tag. I agree that the fences make it look like fish in a barrel, but I have seen elk shove over fences, jump fences and trample fences MANY times. in my exp a fence does not mean squat to an elk, let alone a herd

[WDFW-SUX]

Its an OTC hunt.

[high country]

oh boy, that is really gonna throw a twist on how I view this.

[Shootmoore]

Yep its an over the counter hunt not a draw.  From my understanding they tried to do a Master Hunter on this one but only 3 put in for it.  I have thought about going through the Master Hunter program but I just don't have the time to complete it.

Shootmoore

[Holg3107]

Shootmore, I'm in the same boat, I'm really going to try and find some extra time this year to make the master hunter program happen. This would be an easy way to make this hunt go better, and if it didn't the WDFW would at least have someone to blame since it would be in a more controlled situation. My guess is that with all of the negative press this year there wouldn't be a whole lot of trouble getting a few of the master hunter permit holders to step up and fill these tags. If not my guess is that the WDFW will take care of it themselves without any hunters knowing and donating the meat. After 2 years of bad press on this they have to be sceptical about keeping it an over the counter "hunt"

[Little Dave]

The film doesn't seem to be particularly effective if it was ment to change anbody's prior opinion.  These films usually forget to compare and contrast the favored way of the animal dying.  Maybe I can help:

After the sad new age music part, change to bright and happy smurf music and show the wolves attacking, then show them hit by trucks carrying tofu products, starving animals, yearlings frozen to death, drowning, animals falling to their death, disfiguring diseases... then end with a pretty rainbow. 

[Skillet]

The film doesn't seem to be particularly effective if it was ment to change anbody's prior opinion.  These films usually forget to compare and contrast the favored way of the animal dying.  Maybe I can help:

After the sad new age music part, change to bright and happy smurf music and show the wolves attacking, then show them hit by trucks carrying tofu products, starving animals, yearlings frozen to death, drowning, animals falling to their death, disfiguring diseases... then end with a pretty rainbow. 

   I'll be first in line to donate to the production costs of that one!

[7mm short mag]

To bad bugs didn't scream bloody murder when they are dragging their ass across their winshield. Make a video on that

[haus]

The film doesn't seem to be particularly effective if it was ment to change anbody's prior opinion.  These films usually forget to compare and contrast the favored way of the animal dying.  Maybe I can help:

After the sad new age music part, change to bright and happy smurf music and show the wolves attacking, then show them hit by trucks carrying tofu products, starving animals, yearlings frozen to death, drowning, animals falling to their death, disfiguring diseases... then end with a pretty rainbow. 

hey thats doable, minus getting footage of the tofu truck death mobile

[Jerome]

Yep its an over the counter hunt not a draw.  From my understanding they tried to do a Master Hunter on this one but only 3 put in for it.  I have thought about going through the Master Hunter program but I just don't have the time to complete it.

Shootmoore

They had a muzzle loader draw for 15 permits this year.  Instead of master hunters getting the tags i would like to see the land owners get the tags.