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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2010, 12:33:43 PM »
Damn hope we can get posting on our concerns and ideas! :yike:Any legit concerns or ideas that we can come up with would be great!If there's enough interest I will do the foot work to get us heard.
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2010, 09:37:07 PM »
 I have thought about our biggest problem with WDFW.   We are partially funded by the legislature.  We are funded by 75% by selling hunting and fishing licenses.  I think if WDFW refused to take any more state money then we could also refuse any advice or even a game commission appointed by the governor.   No more having to accept initiatives to change wildlife laws.  This is like any state or federal money.  Schools receive federal and state money and with it comes all these mandates and rules you have to follow to get the candy.  If WDFW quit taking state money they could start managing game again and have a commission which is strictly hunters and fishermen, period.   We could reinstate hound hunting, reinstate trapping, reinstate bear bateing.  All three of these are extremely efficient in taking specific types and sexes of game.  Most of WDFW land was purchased with Pittman Robertson money which is 100% tax money from selling hunting and trapping supplies so belongs to these groups and not any birdwatching group.   WDFW would be 25% short of funds but that would be a very simple problem to solve.  Get rid of nearly every single biologist and there are hundreds of them.  Most of them are looking for snails, rare fish, butterflies and every creature known to man that they might get put on the endangered species list to shut down hunting and fishing.  Get rid of them and we save way more than the 25% we will lose from the legislature plus the added bonus of not paying a bunch of so called scientists to CUT OUR THROATS.
  Problem solved, lets get it done.

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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2010, 09:42:27 PM »
I have thought about our biggest problem with WDFW.   We are partially funded by the legislature.  We are funded by 75% by selling hunting and fishing licenses.  I think if WDFW refused to take any more state money then we could also refuse any advice or even a game commission appointed by the governor.   No more having to accept initiatives to change wildlife laws.  This is like any state or federal money.  Schools receive federal and state money and with it comes all these mandates and rules you have to follow to get the candy.  If WDFW quit taking state money they could start managing game again and have a commission which is strictly hunters and fishermen, period.   We could reinstate hound hunting, reinstate trapping, reinstate bear bateing.  All three of these are extremely efficient in taking specific types and sexes of game.  Most of WDFW land was purchased with Pittman Robertson money which is 100% tax money from selling hunting and trapping supplies so belongs to these groups and not any birdwatching group.   WDFW would be 25% short of funds but that would be a very simple problem to solve.  Get rid of nearly every single biologist and there are hundreds of them.  Most of them are looking for snails, rare fish, butterflies and every creature known to man that they might get put on the endangered species list to shut down hunting and fishing.  Get rid of them and we save way more than the 25% we will lose from the legislature plus the added bonus of not paying a bunch of so called scientists to CUT OUR THROATS.
  Problem solved, lets get it done.

Boy did you say something important there that I wish more people understood.

Nothing is free from the government.  First they have to steal it from someone else to have any in the first place, then when you accept $$$ from the government, you've now lost your freedom.  They are gonna hold that over you and tell you how to run your life/school/business/etc....

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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2010, 09:46:20 PM »
Village and 300... would you be willing to spend 25% more if the WDFW was only accountable to hunters and fishermen? I would!  Grant $$$ has corrupted the WDFW system... i believe they think thier funding future depends on grants NOT hunting and fishing....  :twocents:
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2010, 09:51:10 PM »
I'm sure by my rants, you know the answer to that.

100%... anything to get grant $$$ out of it.  We could spend hours talking about the things grants $$$ has corrupted.


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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2010, 06:40:28 AM »
We wouldn't have to spend 25% more because many of these Ologists hired by WDFW are a mandate required that is attached to some of the money they receive.  We will give you this money but you have to hire X number of ologists to monitor this butterfly or spotted frog or wolf.   We don't accept the money and we eliminate these ologists which are a cancer to our own organization because they are trying to gather data that they plan on useing to destroy us.   Any scientific data can be manipulated to do what you want and along with the ologists we hire we are given specific data we expect them to acquire which is predesignated by the holders of the money bag.   We now have the wolverine on the endangered species list as of recently and just today I read on this board about a guy in Alaska that sold a 52 lb. wolverine hide for 900 bucks to a fur buyer.  They are not endangered.   
   WDFW could easily be a self sustaining organization that could manage wildlife very well without politics destroying it, have better hunting, save species, more game for viewers, happy hunters and fishermen.

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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2010, 07:48:49 AM »
How about all of us join together at there meetings so we can be heard!I'm pretty sure alot of us would like an excuse like going to a meeting,to B.S afterwards with our friends on this website.Maybe buy a bunch of Hunting Washington Sweatshirts or tshirts to wear there.I'm talking like everyone...we will be heard if we come in numbers. :dunno:




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Commission will consider sturgeon policy,
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OLYMPIA - The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission will consider adoption of new management guidelines that address the declining abundance of Columbia River white sturgeon during a public meeting here Jan. 7-8.

The commission, which sets policy for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW), also will discuss Puget Sound crab-fishing seasons and hold a public hearing on a proposed fishing moratorium associated with the removal of two dams on the Elwha River.

The commission will convene at 8:30 a.m. both days in Room 172 on the first floor of the Natural Resources Building, 1111 Washington St. S.E., in Olympia. A complete meeting agenda is available at http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html on the commission's website.

On the second day of the meeting, the commission will consider adopting a policy to guide WDFW in negotiating a joint three-year management agreement with Oregon for sturgeon fisheries on the lower Columbia River.

Fishery managers from both states have expressed concerns about declines in sturgeon abundance in recent years, and have recommended a 30 percent reduction in harvest levels for sport and commercial fisheries below Bonneville Dam from 2011 through 2013. Final decisions on harvest levels and fishing seasons are expected in early February.

Meanwhile, with two major dams on the Elwha River scheduled for removal starting in 2011, the commission will accept public comments on a proposed fishing moratorium designed to support restoration of native salmon and trout populations in that watershed.

WDFW, in conjunction with tribal and federal fishery managers, has proposed a fishing closure in the Elwha River Basin to protect fish during the dam-removal process and encourage their expansion into 70 miles of new spawning and rearing habitat.

The commission is scheduled to make a decision on the proposed fishing moratorium at its Feb. 4-5 meeting in Olympia, where it will also consider adopting new sport-crabbing regulations for Puget Sound.

In October, the commission approved a new crab-fishing policy designed to expand sport-fishing opportunities for Puget Sound crabbers. At their upcoming meeting, the commission will receive a briefing from WDFW fish managers that focuses on how the proposed crab regulations conform to the new policy.

In other matters, WDFW will brief the commission on issues regarding the state's Columbia River summer chinook policy; the North of Falcon season-setting policy; the Commission for Persons with Disabilities Advisory Committee; and the department's "Turn in a Poacher" program. 
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2010, 07:14:45 PM »
The answer is APATHY.

Hunters lack apathy.


ap·a·thy n.
1. Lack of interest or concern, especially regarding matters of general importance or appeal; indifference.
2. Lack of emotion or feeling; impassiveness.


Look at all the hype about the legislature taking away gun rights last year. How many guys from this site made it to the  2nd Amendment Rally at the capital grounds in Olympia last April. I believe only three of us, ADAMS, Rasbo and myself.

Guys seem willing to accept the constant degradation of their priveledges in face of gains by the tribes and the whacko left. Hunters have diminishing Apathy. It seems most are giving up. I fear it is not true.
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2010, 07:27:17 PM »
I believe I did say what office. State Representative in the 35th district.
I ran for State Representative in the 35th district. Does that count? :P I have also worked with my legislators to close areas to brush picking because of the harm that most of these guys are doing to our hunting areas. Trash, illegal timber product harvest, poaching, and meth production...these are some of my environmental concerns.
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2010, 07:28:18 PM »
We wouldn't have to spend 25% more because many of these Ologists hired by WDFW are a mandate required that is attached to some of the money they receive.  We will give you this money but you have to hire X number of ologists to monitor this butterfly or spotted frog or wolf.   We don't accept the money and we eliminate these ologists which are a cancer to our own organization because they are trying to gather data that they plan on useing to destroy us.   Any scientific data can be manipulated to do what you want and along with the ologists we hire we are given specific data we expect them to acquire which is predesignated by the holders of the money bag.   We now have the wolverine on the endangered species list as of recently and just today I read on this board about a guy in Alaska that sold a 52 lb. wolverine hide for 900 bucks to a fur buyer.  They are not endangered.   
   WDFW could easily be a self sustaining organization that could manage wildlife very well without politics destroying it, have better hunting, save species, more game for viewers, happy hunters and fishermen.

You couldn't be more right.  It's rare I met someone who articulates the problems so well.

What this all boils down to for me is states handling their own affairs....  The Fed has no business managing "our" game or anything else, but when you accept $$$ from them, that is exactly what happens.  It is upside down from what our Constitution intends.  Fed has a very limited roll, theoretically.

Heck, just look at what centralized power is doing right now.  The corrupt EPA is going around congress and doing as it wishes without any way for We The People to stop them.

Anway, as in all cissues of self-governance, we should tell the Fed to keep it's money and we'll keep our freedom.

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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2010, 08:59:37 AM »
I have thought about our biggest problem with WDFW.   We are partially funded by the legislature.  We are funded by 75% by selling hunting and fishing licenses.  I think if WDFW refused to take any more state money then we could also refuse any advice or even a game commission appointed by the governor.   No more having to accept initiatives to change wildlife laws.  This is like any state or federal money.  Schools receive federal and state money and with it comes all these mandates and rules you have to follow to get the candy.  If WDFW quit taking state money they could start managing game again and have a commission which is strictly hunters and fishermen, period.   We could reinstate hound hunting, reinstate trapping, reinstate bear bateing.  All three of these are extremely efficient in taking specific types and sexes of game.  Most of WDFW land was purchased with Pittman Robertson money which is 100% tax money from selling hunting and trapping supplies so belongs to these groups and not any birdwatching group.   WDFW would be 25% short of funds but that would be a very simple problem to solve.  Get rid of nearly every single biologist and there are hundreds of them.  Most of them are looking for snails, rare fish, butterflies and every creature known to man that they might get put on the endangered species list to shut down hunting and fishing.  Get rid of them and we save way more than the 25% we will lose from the legislature plus the added bonus of not paying a bunch of so called scientists to CUT OUR THROATS.
  Problem solved, lets get it done.

I was involved in a WDFW working group last year. A question that was brought up is where funding comes from. WDFW brought in the figures for all to see. Funding comes from numerous sources, I don't remember exact percentages but roughly speaking, 1/3 from legislature and invested funds, 1/3 from (Pittman/Dingle) federal taxes on sporting goods returned to states, 1/3 from license/tag sales. I was astounded to learn that less than half the funding comes from license and tag sales. This is the reason hunters and fishers do not have as strong of voice as we would like.
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2010, 09:49:21 AM »
  The hunter safety handbook is where it states that 75% of funding comes from selling hunting and fishing licenses.  It is possible they combine Pittman Robertson money in that catagory also which would put it around the 70% range.  Pittman Robertson is also hunter generted money so that would only mean WDFW would be forfeiting around 30%.  This still could be done by eliminating all the ologist jobs that seem to be a cancer to the dept. because they are trying to generate ESA listings that in the end destroy hunting along with nearly all resource users such as logging, mining, gravel pits, ranching and farming.  If we don't eventually start producing some products to sell we will starve.  China is selling the whole world products now and the fastest growing economy on the earth.  The U.S. is rapidly falling off the cliff due largely to govt. regulations (such as ESA listings) that increase the cost of producing and even make producing anything cost prohibitive.
  Sad!

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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2010, 09:58:20 AM »
 The hunter safety handbook is where it states that 75% of funding comes from selling hunting and fishing licenses.  It is possible they combine Pittman Robertson money in that catagory also which would put it around the 70% range.  Pittman Robertson is also hunter generted money so that would only mean WDFW would be forfeiting around 30%.  This still could be done by eliminating all the ologist jobs that seem to be a cancer to the dept. because they are trying to generate ESA listings that in the end destroy hunting along with nearly all resource users such as logging, mining, gravel pits, ranching and farming.  If we don't eventually start producing some products to sell we will starve.  China is selling the whole world products now and the fastest growing economy on the earth.  The U.S. is rapidly falling off the cliff due largely to govt. regulations (such as ESA listings) that increase the cost of producing and even make producing anything cost prohibitive.
  Sad!

Problem is I've been told that they get extra funds to manage these "listed species" yes, they are making money off wolves coming to Washington.   :bash:

It's as if they could care less about everything else when extra dollars come into play. :twocents:
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2010, 11:31:29 AM »
BP that is the ROOT of the problem... The WDFW takes the hunters for granted and 75% of thier money is associated with them... They focus on the other 25% "extra" money like that is going to make a big fricken difference...   Grant money is "easier" to aquire, they don't have ot work so hard to get it.  :twocents:
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Re: Why do hunters not get involed in politics in this state?
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2010, 11:37:22 AM »
Messed up system, no wonder all forms of government are in the red and it is taking down our country. Read what many financial experts are forcasting, it's not pretty.
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