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Offline Bob33

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2011, 06:07:39 PM »
Hilltop, welcome.  I completely agree with you.  Hunters are less than 3% of our state's population, and we often end up being our own worst enemies.
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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2011, 09:01:34 PM »
My thoughts exactly...  I am surprised at how much b!tching there is toward this program and the people that are involved in it.  We should start a thread on youth hunters next. 

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2011, 09:28:39 PM »
I was thinking the same thing...It's a never ending list of complaints...

The fed government sucks!  The state government sucks! WDFW sucks!  Indians suck! Road hunters suck! Bow hunters suck! Rifle Hunters suck! Master Hunters suck! Gated roads suck!  Open gates suck!  ATV's suck!.............

The only thing that makes everyone happy is pictures of dead animals :chuckle:  Oh well, It all makes for good reading.
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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2011, 09:53:15 PM »
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

(I think you probably left a few "sucks" out...)
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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2011, 11:28:17 PM »
I was thinking the same thing...It's a never ending list of complaints...

The fed government sucks!  The state government sucks! WDFW sucks!  Indians suck! Road hunters suck! Bow hunters suck! Rifle Hunters suck! Master Hunters suck! Gated roads suck!  Open gates suck!  ATV's suck!.............

The only thing that makes everyone happy is pictures of dead animals :chuckle:  Oh well, It all makes for good reading.
Coastal Hunter, that was classic.  Way to tie it together.

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2011, 06:36:43 PM »
Being mocked, hope not?  :o

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2011, 06:51:41 PM »
No, I don't think you are.  Unfortunately, there is a large amount of bitching about who does what or gets to do what on this site which is pretty representative of the way hunters in this state behave towards each other.  Too bad because as a whole we're a tiny minority in this state and we allow ourselves to be divided and conquered.  There's way too much love of the outdoors, wildlife, and hunting on this site alone to solve any and all of the problems we perceive but every third thread, people are cutting each other's nuts off.

Anyway, I just completed the MH program.  I enjoyed the curriculum and the challenge of passing the test-opened my eyes in some ways and confirmed a great deal of what I knew and believed.  If I get some extra hunting opportunities, fine, but if not, I'm okay with that. 


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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2011, 07:06:13 PM »
I guess if you call it like you see it, some people will undoubtedly whine, complain and point their finger claiming you're bitching. Sounds to me like some people get their feelings hurt pretty quick about remarks that are anything but personal.  :twocents: I'll make sure to pad my remarks on the advanced hunters topic next time.

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2011, 07:32:01 PM »
Being mocked, hope not?  :o

Definitely not...that was a half ass attempt at humor.  With all the different personalities, hunting methods, advantages/disadvantages...etc. there's always going to be a few differences of opinion...this is a good place for them to be heard.  Funny though, when somebody makes a post about a successful hunt...everybody agrees that its a good thing :)............well....unless its not tagged in the photo...or if there's no blaze orange...or if there's a flashlight on the bow...or if some bazillionare bought a canned trophy....more humor....I'll stop now.
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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2011, 08:38:13 PM »
Here is more than you may have ever wanted to know about the program.

History: the program was created by WDFW in 1992 as the “Advanced Hunter Education” program.  It was revised and renamed in 2007 to the “Master Hunter” program.  In 2009 the phrase “permit” was added, because this allowed a Master Hunter to have his status immediately suspended by an enforcement officer taking the hunter’s permit, which he is required to carry.  (The Master Hunter number is now imprinted on the hunting license of all Master Hunters, so enforcement officers can readily identify them.)

The Master Hunter program is addressed in WAC  232-12-073: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-073

WAC 232-12-073   
Master hunter permit program.
  (1) In order to effectively manage wildlife in areas or at times when a higher proficiency and demonstrated skill level are needed for resource protection or public safety, the department establishes the master hunter permit program.

     (2) The master hunter permit program emphasizes safe, ethical, responsible, and lawful hunting practices. Program goals include improving the public's perception of hunting and perpetuating the highest hunting standards. A master hunter permit is required to participate in controlled hunts to eliminate problem animals that damage property or threaten public safety.

The Fish and Wildlife Commission issued policy C6005 regarding the program: http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/policies/c6005.html

(Pertinent sections follow):
Policy: The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife will develop a Master Hunter Program that provides an adequate number of hunters, with specific qualifications, to address the wildlife/human interaction outlined in the discussion above.
It must be understood and fundamental to the policy that Master Hunter certification is a privilege and not a right. Further, the Master Hunter resource is a tool that will be employed by the Department to resolve certain human/wildlife conflict situations. These hunting situations will require hunting in areas that may be highly visible to the public and may be on private property. In all cases, these hunting situations will require good judgment and professional conduct by Master Hunters. Violations of hunting rules or regulations will not be tolerated and will result in loss of Master Hunter privileges and possibly all hunting privileges, depending on the violation.
Master Hunters are role models for the rest of the hunting community and, through their actions, act as ambassadors for the Department. Qualifications for the Master Hunter program are:

Qualifications: application is open to Washington residents only.  Applications are accepted annually between January 1 and February 15.  All requirements must be completed by November 15 of the same year.  To become a Master Hunter one must:
1.   Pay a $50 non- refundable application fee.
2.   Pass a 100 question written test; typical applicants study a minimum of 20 to 30 hours.
3.   Demonstrate proficiency with one of seven hunting methods, via a witnessed shooting test.
4.   Complete a minimum of 20 hours of wildlife conservation volunteer work.
5.   Attend a C.O.R.T. class
6.   Sign a Code of Ethics.
7.   Pass a criminal background check.   Entry is denied to anyone who has:
-   Paid the required fine or been convicted within the last ten (10) years of a Chapter 77.15 RCW offense;
-   Paid the required fine or been convicted within the last ten (10) years of criminal trespass, reckless endangerment, criminal conspiracy, or making a false statement to law enforcement, while hunting, fishing, or engaging in any activity regulated by the WDFW;
-   Prior felonies prohibiting the possession of firearms, unless firearm possession is reinstated; or
-   A current hunting or fishing license revocation or a current suspension of hunting or fishing license privileges in Washington or in another state.
7.   Sign a Code of Ethics.

Recertification:  Master Hunter permits are valid for five years.  Master Hunters must pay a renewal fee, have completed a minimum of 40 hours of volunteer wildlife conservation work, and pass a criminal background check.

Statistics: as of December there were 1964 Master Hunters.   In 2010 approximately 800 individuals applied to the program, and 152 completed all requirements.

The “Zero Tolerance” policy is such that anyone violating one of the conditions previously noted is either permanently removed from the program or suspended for two years in the case of a Chapter 77.15 RCW infraction.  In 2010, one individual was removed for life, and one was suspended for two years.
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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2011, 07:23:18 AM »
Being mocked, hope not?  :o

Definitely not...that was a half ass attempt at humor.  With all the different personalities, hunting methods, advantages/disadvantages...etc. there's always going to be a few differences of opinion...this is a good place for them to be heard.  Funny though, when somebody makes a post about a successful hunt...everybody agrees that its a good thing :)............well....unless its not tagged in the photo...or if there's no blaze orange...or if there's a flashlight on the bow...or if some bazillionare bought a canned trophy....more humor....I'll stop now.

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2011, 12:11:16 PM »
I am not chastising anyone.  Re-read my posts.  I only have a problem with taking opportunity away from all of us and turning it into a MH program. 

Not knowing the area well you are talking about it sounds like this is on private land?  If so did the hunt going to an "as needed" MH permit basis take away opportunity from everyone (even though everyone can be a MH assuming no violations) or did it take away opportunity from those who are in good with the land owners where as everyone else would still be pretty much SOL?

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2011, 12:19:14 PM »
Not a fan of the program.   MOSTLY turned off on it when one of the worst "hunters" or most offensive "hunters" I know somehow got his card even with infractions.   It went downhill from there.   I have one friend on here that is a member and thats about the only thing that makes me not completely go ballistic on it becasue I know he benefits from it and uses it wisely.   On the otherhand, these late "damage" hunts do nothing for me really.  And it seems lots of bad apple stuff seems to happen to those that are supposed to be "masters" or advanced.    I could easily see the program disappear.

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Re: Advanced Hunters your thoughts on them.
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2011, 02:00:05 PM »
I am not chastising anyone.  Re-read my posts.  I only have a problem with taking opportunity away from all of us and turning it into a MH program. 

Not knowing the area well you are talking about it sounds like this is on private land?  If so did the hunt going to an "as needed" MH permit basis take away opportunity from everyone (even though everyone can be a MH assuming no violations) or did it take away opportunity from those who are in good with the land owners where as everyone else would still be pretty much SOL?

Most of the land in the Peshastin and Malaga units is/was USFS.  I know they did change the boundaries some a couple years ago when the hunts pretty much went all MH.  There used to be several permit hunts that would take place in August and September and then November through February.  Most of the hunts were antlerless but they also issued a few any bull tags. 

I know a lot of people who drew these tags over the years and I even drew one myself in 1994.  Unfortunately that was a year that most of the unit burnt up in the summer and the elk had moved out.   :)  While a few elk were killed by permit holders on private land this was generally not the case.  Most of the elk that were shot around orchards were during the winter months and a lot of times those hunts would be coordinated by a WDFW officer who would call a permit holder to get them in contact with a land owner who was having problems.  The majority of elk that were killed on these hunts by far came off of public land.  I had friends and family that drew these tags and I went along on hunts and all of them killed elk on public land. 
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