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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2012, 08:46:15 PM »
beautiful fish there chsngstlhd.. would that have killed the fish if you took it about four more inches out of the water though :dunno:

Of course not, I think this is a common sense thing. The rule is there so people are not dragging the fish 10' up the bank, dragging it on the rocks, etc.

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2012, 09:30:20 PM »
The debate here doesnt seem to be whether it is going to kill the fish by lifting it an extra 4"......the point most people are making is that there are laws in place....some choose to follow those laws......some choose to break those laws.....like them or not they are LAWS! As said before.....it only takes a few to ruin it for many........it isn't limited to fishing.....look at orv riding areas getting shut down or shooting areas.....a few bad seeds ruin it for those of us that take care of the areas we use! If you choose to break the law no matter how major (murder) or minor (lifting a native steelhead out of the water or speeding) you run the risk of getting caught. When you choose to speed when driving you are choosing to risk having to pay a ticket.....same choice when you break ANY law.   :bdid:

Maybe those that disagree with the law to the point that they are willing to break it should fight the system to get the law changed  :dunno:

It is possible to get a good picture while keeping the fish in the water......
Here is a couple of bad cell phone pics of better hard copies....
The larger fish is one that was photographed in the water and released....
The picture of the smaller fish was taken in the water for effect and the fish was kept and it was legal to do so as a hatchery fish.  (for those who would flame me for using a net on a native)
Both good pics in my opinion.

« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 09:42:53 PM by mallard79 »

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2012, 09:59:24 PM »
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12lb wild hen

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foggy lense :sry: 16lb wild hen. lost the biggest steelhead of my life (dwarfed her) the cast before in the same spot.

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hatcherys

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just some ideas :twocents:
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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #93 on: March 08, 2012, 10:04:16 PM »
The debate here doesnt seem to be whether it is going to kill the fish by lifting it an extra 4"......the point most people are making is that there are laws in place....some choose to follow those laws......some choose to break those laws.....like them or not they are LAWS! As said before.....it only takes a few to ruin it for many........it isn't limited to fishing.....look at orv riding areas getting shut down or shooting areas.....a few bad seeds ruin it for those of us that take care of the areas we use! If you choose to break the law no matter how major (murder) or minor (lifting a native steelhead out of the water or speeding) you run the risk of getting caught. When you choose to speed when driving you are choosing to risk having to pay a ticket.....same choice when you break ANY law.   :bdid:

Maybe those that disagree with the law to the point that they are willing to break it should fight the system to get the law changed  :dunno:

It is possible to get a good picture while keeping the fish in the water......
Here is a couple of bad cell phone pics of better hard copies....
The larger fish is one that was photographed in the water and released....
The picture of the smaller fish was taken in the water for effect and the fish was kept and it was legal to do so as a hatchery fish.  (for those who would flame me for using a net on a native)
Both good pics in my opinion.

lol next time i see him im gonna have to tell him theres pics of him floating around on the net! :chuckle:
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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #94 on: March 08, 2012, 10:10:43 PM »
Eh....he is a lurker on here once in a while..... :chuckle:
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 11:29:35 PM by mallard79 »

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #95 on: March 08, 2012, 11:16:44 PM »
Interesting view jeep.
I feel dumber for reading that.  Thanks, I think.

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #96 on: March 08, 2012, 11:26:09 PM »
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I wonder how many people will touch their nose to their screen trying to read this...

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2012, 11:26:32 PM »


kill em all! :rolleyes: :bash:
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 11:46:16 PM by carpsniperg2 »
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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2012, 03:14:43 PM »
many, many , many years ago the steelhead trout was not commercialized there was an abundance of fish .So many infact it seemed  it would always be that way. The limits were generous 3 fish a day  hatcherey steelhead were unheard of. With the likes of Bob Heirman,Bob Bessic,Forest Herr,Emmett Anderson,John Fenton,Earl Averill and Louie Corti it was never who caught the most but who caught the biggest.You see back then you could natives out of the water  take them home show them off and you were congratulated on such a tremendous catch, not ridiculed and bashed and treated like a crimnal for such an act. Of course the winter season here ran til march 31,if they we're not such big fish hogs there might be a few more today ,its the logging ,and other enviromental issues that started the decline then the nets in the rivers it was like returning to the old west.There would be guns drawn fist fights ,vandalism.All over the steelhead trout that would go to sea and return every 2 years ,or 3 and go back again..Soon there were hatcherey's popping up the dreaded farmed steelhead was now invented and at times contamenting the native runs.Now the native steelhead had no where to turn  its mere exsistance was doomed.. I started winter steelheading 1975, on the pilchuck river ,and at reiter ponds later i treid summer run and fell in love with that head over heels fished the S.FStilly above granite 5 to 7 fish days were common hardly any pressure ,even when there was half the guys didnt know what they doing , another favorite was canyon creek. Now there are no fish whatever is left is so strictly regulated that it not even worth togo for me anymore .The glory days it was great to have 2 or 3 big NATES on thew beach.The nets have raped whatever was left from the poor logging practices the drifts and nice hole's are all filled in now nothing is left just the gentlle noise of the river flowing through what once was a true steelhead shang gri la.

You're missing the biggest factor, dams.  Just thought you should know,since you're so educated.  The nets, logging, mismanagement, poor handling, genetic saturation by hatcheries fish, pollution, human expansion into pristine creeks, along with tons of other factors play their roll.  The dams, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to the plight of the Steelhead. :tup:

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2012, 03:46:50 PM »
many, many , many years ago the steelhead trout was not commercialized there was an abundance of fish .So many infact it seemed  it would always be that way. The limits were generous 3 fish a day  hatcherey steelhead were unheard of. With the likes of Bob Heirman,Bob Bessic,Forest Herr,Emmett Anderson,John Fenton,Earl Averill and Louie Corti it was never who caught the most but who caught the biggest.You see back then you could natives out of the water  take them home show them off and you were congratulated on such a tremendous catch, not ridiculed and bashed and treated like a crimnal for such an act. Of course the winter season here ran til march 31,if they we're not such big fish hogs there might be a few more today ,its the logging ,and other enviromental issues that started the decline then the nets in the rivers it was like returning to the old west.There would be guns drawn fist fights ,vandalism.All over the steelhead trout that would go to sea and return every 2 years ,or 3 and go back again..Soon there were hatcherey's popping up the dreaded farmed steelhead was now invented and at times contamenting the native runs.Now the native steelhead had no where to turn  its mere exsistance was doomed.. I started winter steelheading 1975, on the pilchuck river ,and at reiter ponds later i treid summer run and fell in love with that head over heels fished the S.FStilly above granite 5 to 7 fish days were common hardly any pressure ,even when there was half the guys didnt know what they doing , another favorite was canyon creek. Now there are no fish whatever is left is so strictly regulated that it not even worth togo for me anymore .The glory days it was great to have 2 or 3 big NATES on thew beach.The nets have raped whatever was left from the poor logging practices the drifts and nice hole's are all filled in now nothing is left just the gentlle noise of the river flowing through what once was a true steelhead shang gri la.

You're missing the biggest factor, dams.  Just thought you should know,since you're so educated.  The nets, logging, mismanagement, poor handling, genetic saturation by hatcheries fish, pollution, human expansion into pristine creeks, along with tons of other factors play their roll.  The dams, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to the plight of the Steelhead. :tup:

While true for snake and columbia runs, that is not true for the vast majority of the westside runs.  Most rivers that have had population crashes, including most Puget Sound streams, do not have any dams.

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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2012, 04:26:29 PM »
I normally try to stay out of pissing matches like this, but this hits close to home. I've been a steelheader since the day I could walk, Dad made sure of that. I remember the last wild steelhead I killed, I was 10 years old on the Snohomish, that was 13 years ago. Even so, up until about 5 years ago, we took almost every wild fish we caught out of the water for a picture. We handled fish well, only out for a few seconds, never on the bank, and used a rubber net to land them quickly without any physical harm. I never thought it made a difference until I started guiding trout a few years back, and specifically, big trout on the Upper Columbia. In a couple of months of fishing during different times of the year I noticed that almost every fish we simply lifted out of the water quickly for a photo took at least 10-20 seconds to swim out of the net when released, whereas the fish that never left the water, took of like a shot the minute the edge of that net dipped into the water. It truly changed my opinion of fish handling. As it stands now I NEVER take a steelhead out of the water unless I plan on keeping it, and only take trout out if the situation allows me to do it properly without any risk of hurting that fish or keeping it out of the water for more than a second or two. For those of you who don't think it makes a difference, you obviously haven't had the opportunity to see both sides enough.

As far as the pictures go, sure, hero shots are nice. You definitely get a good look at the fish and how its built. Pictures of the fish slightly in the water look better to me though. That fish deserves to be treated well, it just swam through the gauntlet and made it back home to spawn, don't abuse it for that. Here are a few of what I consider to be, great pictures, of fish still in the water.
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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2012, 04:28:10 PM »
Put and take attitude didn't help......
Protection of predators such as sealions didn't help....
Netting of certain river systems.......

Its amazing there are still fish.



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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2012, 07:35:27 PM »
Question, why are guys so quick to call these fish native or wild?

Nice non-clipped hatchery fish you got there!

Is there a better chance it is truly a wild fish or a non-clipped hatcher fish? :dunno:
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Re: Native out of the water
« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2012, 06:57:11 AM »
I don't have a problem with geting a quick picture of a fish, guess I'm a rebel that way. I'm sure we all bend the law every now and again and I'm sure for the most part we are all good people.

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Re: Native out of the water
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Would you suggest a sniff test Ice or how would you like to try to distinguish between the two?

 


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