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One more thing, now we have to compete with the wolves. So we are DOOMED ...
Said it before and I'll say it again, road closures, it's the only way to reduce roadhunting and allow for escapement. Though this year will be interesting, I'm curious to see if any other Tribes attempt to come back over the mts. to the eastside again, if they do I foresee a huge battle between Tribes with us on the winning end. I wouldn't mind throwing out the Mucks and anybody else I find trying to hunt in our Ceded Lands.
Its pretty difficult if you're not familiar with Tribes but an easy indicator is becoming more and more common around here, our new Yakama Nation license plates which are for Yakama Members only. Also, if they mention they have a permit then they're not Yakama because Yakamas don't require any permits. I usually just ask right off the back if they don't look Yakama. Also, this year our Tribal Leaders issued a letter to the Mucks and WDFW to halt all permits and illegal hunting in our territories or face lawsuits. I haven't inquired as to the responses but from what they told me is they're serious and ready to move forward if they don't comply. So that means their all open game if I see them.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on April 15, 2012, 10:15:07 PMIts pretty difficult if you're not familiar with Tribes but an easy indicator is becoming more and more common around here, our new Yakama Nation license plates which are for Yakama Members only. Also, if they mention they have a permit then they're not Yakama because Yakamas don't require any permits. I usually just ask right off the back if they don't look Yakama. Also, this year our Tribal Leaders issued a letter to the Mucks and WDFW to halt all permits and illegal hunting in our territories or face lawsuits. I haven't inquired as to the responses but from what they told me is they're serious and ready to move forward if they don't comply. So that means their all open game if I see them.if the state cant enforce tribal hunting then who is going to stop them?
Nobody, thats why the treaties need to be abolished. We are in the 21st century and sure there was a lot of pain and suffering a couple hundred years ago, but somebody needs to start managing the game for the future generations. Just because you are Native and have the right to slaughter the animals doesn't mean it the right thing to do.I myself have Native roots (Blackfoot and WapatoNever heard of this, do you wish to ellaborate?), but I have never even thought about pursuing "my rights" because my family wasnt suppressed or held back from something that happened several generations ago.Or they don't have any ties to any Tribe and you just put this statement in to make yourself look better? My family has done very well through the ages and we don't live like we've been suppressed, but it's our Culture and Tradition that we live by, maybe if you were raised with some of that you would have a sense of what I'm talking about instead of just spouting something off. There are bad apples in each group and we as a People have ours, but don't assume we are all like that and it's pretty obvious your comments about having Native roots is just that, fictitious claims with no value behind it. I have hunted with my family, who also have Native roots, but we all hunt by WDFW's rules like every other man, woman or child.One of my Uncles is 100% YakimaObviously not if you can't spell "Yakama" correctly. and he has hunted with us since marrying into the family. Sure he doesn't kill a deer and elk every year, but he enjoys the comradery of hunting with the family.That's fine if he doesn't and "IF" he's "Yakama", he was brought up like a lot of us who hunt with ethics and morals, who treat the animals with respect and are not out there for sport like the few bad apples. I think the Natives have lost sight of what hunting is about and dont depend on hunting as a means to an end any longer.I partially agree, there are some who have lost sight of what hunting really means and that's the fault of the family for not teaching the younger generation about respect, ethics, morals, tradition, culture and our way of life.That's my for what its worth and I'm sure it with piss off a couple of the Natives.
No matter who you are talking about it is always a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone. I question wether there should be any late special permit deer tags. Dont get me wrong I put in for them and would love to have the opportunity to hunt during a late season. Does the wdfw have these seasons because of a biological reasons or is it an economic decision?Once again it is all about the money and how many dollars these permits generate for the wdfw. Our Mule deer are not doing very well and yet the wdfw give out all these late tags. It would not surprize me to find that more big mature bucks are killed during these late seasons then the entire general season. Now add the native harvest because the gates are open longer. I hate to say it but I think we shoud do away with the late permits and close the LT Murray as soon as the general elk is over.
Quote from: sled on April 15, 2012, 10:25:57 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on April 15, 2012, 10:15:07 PMIts pretty difficult if you're not familiar with Tribes but an easy indicator is becoming more and more common around here, our new Yakama Nation license plates which are for Yakama Members only. Also, if they mention they have a permit then they're not Yakama because Yakamas don't require any permits. I usually just ask right off the back if they don't look Yakama. Also, this year our Tribal Leaders issued a letter to the Mucks and WDFW to halt all permits and illegal hunting in our territories or face lawsuits. I haven't inquired as to the responses but from what they told me is they're serious and ready to move forward if they don't comply. So that means their all open game if I see them.if the state cant enforce tribal hunting then who is going to stop them?What is occurring is basically poaching. That's what our leaders down here are telling them and WDFW. They venture into our territory then they are going to face a lawsuit and our Leaders are going to pursue the WDFW for not enforcing the Game Laws and allowing another Tribe to poach into our territory. They have no Rights on this side of the Mts. and that's what they've told the Mucks, stay off our land and if you cross the mts. again then they will pursue it till the very end. I know our Leaders will because they've gone after everybody else when it comes to our lands, the Colvilles, Warm Springs, Umatillas and anybody else that encroaches into our territories. Our Tribe has entered into more lawsuits than most Tribes in the Northwest and won because we've got a strong Treaty and it has language unique to us and no others, for that we've been successful and will continue to be successful against other Tribes, if need be, and other government entities as well.Quote from: cem3434 on April 15, 2012, 11:07:21 PMNobody, thats why the treaties need to be abolished. We are in the 21st century and sure there was a lot of pain and suffering a couple hundred years ago, but somebody needs to start managing the game for the future generations. Just because you are Native and have the right to slaughter the animals doesn't mean it the right thing to do.I myself have Native roots (Blackfoot and WapatoNever heard of this, do you wish to ellaborate?), but I have never even thought about pursuing "my rights" because my family wasnt suppressed or held back from something that happened several generations ago.Or they don't have any ties to any Tribe and you just put this statement in to make yourself look better? My family has done very well through the ages and we don't live like we've been suppressed, but it's our Culture and Tradition that we live by, maybe if you were raised with some of that you would have a sense of what I'm talking about instead of just spouting something off. There are bad apples in each group and we as a People have ours, but don't assume we are all like that and it's pretty obvious your comments about having Native roots is just that, fictitious claims with no value behind it. I have hunted with my family, who also have Native roots, but we all hunt by WDFW's rules like every other man, woman or child.One of my Uncles is 100% YakimaObviously not if you can't spell "Yakama" correctly. and he has hunted with us since marrying into the family. Sure he doesn't kill a deer and elk every year, but he enjoys the comradery of hunting with the family.That's fine if he doesn't and "IF" he's "Yakama", he was brought up like a lot of us who hunt with ethics and morals, who treat the animals with respect and are not out there for sport like the few bad apples. I think the Natives have lost sight of what hunting is about and dont depend on hunting as a means to an end any longer.I partially agree, there are some who have lost sight of what hunting really means and that's the fault of the family for not teaching the younger generation about respect, ethics, morals, tradition, culture and our way of life.That's my for what its worth and I'm sure it with piss off a couple of the Natives.Quote from: groundhog on April 16, 2012, 07:41:17 AMNo matter who you are talking about it is always a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone. I question wether there should be any late special permit deer tags. Dont get me wrong I put in for them and would love to have the opportunity to hunt during a late season. Does the wdfw have these seasons because of a biological reasons or is it an economic decision?Once again it is all about the money and how many dollars these permits generate for the wdfw. Our Mule deer are not doing very well and yet the wdfw give out all these late tags. It would not surprize me to find that more big mature bucks are killed during these late seasons then the entire general season. Now add the native harvest because the gates are open longer. I hate to say it but I think we shoud do away with the late permits and close the LT Murray as soon as the general elk is over.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on April 16, 2012, 08:49:45 AMQuote from: sled on April 15, 2012, 10:25:57 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on April 15, 2012, 10:15:07 PMIts pretty difficult if you're not familiar with Tribes but an easy indicator is becoming more and more common around here, our new Yakama Nation license plates which are for Yakama Members only. Also, if they mention they have a permit then they're not Yakama because Yakamas don't require any permits. I usually just ask right off the back if they don't look Yakama. Also, this year our Tribal Leaders issued a letter to the Mucks and WDFW to halt all permits and illegal hunting in our territories or face lawsuits. I haven't inquired as to the responses but from what they told me is they're serious and ready to move forward if they don't comply. So that means their all open game if I see them.if the state cant enforce tribal hunting then who is going to stop them?What is occurring is basically poaching. That's what our leaders down here are telling them and WDFW. They venture into our territory then they are going to face a lawsuit and our Leaders are going to pursue the WDFW for not enforcing the Game Laws and allowing another Tribe to poach into our territory. They have no Rights on this side of the Mts. and that's what they've told the Mucks, stay off our land and if you cross the mts. again then they will pursue it till the very end. I know our Leaders will because they've gone after everybody else when it comes to our lands, the Colvilles, Warm Springs, Umatillas and anybody else that encroaches into our territories. Our Tribe has entered into more lawsuits than most Tribes in the Northwest and won because we've got a strong Treaty and it has language unique to us and no others, for that we've been successful and will continue to be successful against other Tribes, if need be, and other government entities as well.Quote from: cem3434 on April 15, 2012, 11:07:21 PMNobody, thats why the treaties need to be abolished. We are in the 21st century and sure there was a lot of pain and suffering a couple hundred years ago, but somebody needs to start managing the game for the future generations. Just because you are Native and have the right to slaughter the animals doesn't mean it the right thing to do.I myself have Native roots (Blackfoot and WapatoNever heard of this, do you wish to ellaborate?), but I have never even thought about pursuing "my rights" because my family wasnt suppressed or held back from something that happened several generations ago.Or they don't have any ties to any Tribe and you just put this statement in to make yourself look better? My family has done very well through the ages and we don't live like we've been suppressed, but it's our Culture and Tradition that we live by, maybe if you were raised with some of that you would have a sense of what I'm talking about instead of just spouting something off. There are bad apples in each group and we as a People have ours, but don't assume we are all like that and it's pretty obvious your comments about having Native roots is just that, fictitious claims with no value behind it. I have hunted with my family, who also have Native roots, but we all hunt by WDFW's rules like every other man, woman or child.One of my Uncles is 100% YakimaObviously not if you can't spell "Yakama" correctly. and he has hunted with us since marrying into the family. Sure he doesn't kill a deer and elk every year, but he enjoys the comradery of hunting with the family.That's fine if he doesn't and "IF" he's "Yakama", he was brought up like a lot of us who hunt with ethics and morals, who treat the animals with respect and are not out there for sport like the few bad apples. I think the Natives have lost sight of what hunting is about and dont depend on hunting as a means to an end any longer.I partially agree, there are some who have lost sight of what hunting really means and that's the fault of the family for not teaching the younger generation about respect, ethics, morals, tradition, culture and our way of life.That's my for what its worth and I'm sure it with piss off a couple of the Natives.Quote from: groundhog on April 16, 2012, 07:41:17 AMNo matter who you are talking about it is always a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone. I question wether there should be any late special permit deer tags. Dont get me wrong I put in for them and would love to have the opportunity to hunt during a late season. Does the wdfw have these seasons because of a biological reasons or is it an economic decision?Once again it is all about the money and how many dollars these permits generate for the wdfw. Our Mule deer are not doing very well and yet the wdfw give out all these late tags. It would not surprize me to find that more big mature bucks are killed during these late seasons then the entire general season. Now add the native harvest because the gates are open longer. I hate to say it but I think we shoud do away with the late permits and close the LT Murray as soon as the general elk is over. You guys cant even police your own people from going out and killing ungodly amounts of bucks and bulls. Now you want the fish and game to do something. Kinda sounds like reverse of what the white man wants for the indians to quikilling so many deer and elk but fish and wild life cant do anything about it. why dont your own fish cops deal with it since its ceded land. let them patrol it and try and catch the mucks. what a joke.
If you have never heard of the Wapato Indians, then try googling it. Honestly, I wasn't raised in the culture and with the traditions, so I have never taken much time to learn about my Native heritage. Sorry, never heard of them, maybe you can enlighten me as to the origins of this "Tribe".My dad's mother was full blooded Wapato and was born and raised in the culture. She met my Grandfather and left her family behind to be with him before having 8 children. My Mom's mother was half Blackfoot Blackfoot or Blackfeet?, but wasn't raised with the culture. She left home when she was 15 and married my Grandfather at 16 before having 8 kids. You are correct that we do not tie ourselves to the Native culture, but that doesn't mean that I am don't have Native roots. I am not ignorant, but I have never taken much interest in the culture and tradition because I wasn't raised with our heritage.In this day and age, the United States is a melting pot and there are very few"true" Native people left.Really? What rock have you been living under? I see them all the time and especially now since we're nearing the end of our General Council. We exercise our culture and heritage in everything we do. We open a birthday or event with a song and prayer and close the event with a song and prayer. There are many still to this day that live without many luxuries that most have. I know scores of families that live in the Medicine Valley area, Billyville and other villages along the river that to this day don't have electricity or running water and that's of their choosing. Just because you choose to partake in your heritage and I don't, doesn't mean that I don't have Native Roots. I agree that there are bad apples in every group, but would you not agree that Natives seem to be involved more often then other groups in taking of game that is questionable or unethical? No, I don't agree, there's just as many if not more poachers and unethical hunters than there are Tribal Hunters. Look at previous threads on here for example as to how many spikes were left to rot because somebody shot and left them to avoid a ticket, I think I counted at least 20-30 spikes that were reported on here that were poached. There have also been those on here with ethics that have bit the bullet when they were in the wrong and that's commendable. If it is part of a Tribes culture, then why don't today's Native people hunt the same way their ancestors did? I think mowing down a herd with rifles (not saying that you would) is a far cry from what your ancestors did when they were hunting for sustenance while upholding your culture and tradition. I don't think that these actions are what your ancestors envisioned for their people when they signed the treaty's which were meant to help preserve culture and tradition. No, it probably wasn't what they had in mind and there are more than you and others think that are trying to see somethings change in regards to overharvesting and unethical hunting.You are correct, I did misspell Yakama in the sense that you are speaking about because I used spell check which recognizes the word "Yakima". With that being said, that doesn't mean that my Uncle wasn't born and raised in the culture. I do agree that he does have more respect for animals than most people, but he doesn't live by the culture and traditions in which he was raised. Sorry but I haven't had an issue with spell check. He was raised with culture and tradition but he now chooses to live without it?It sounds like we are on the same page on a lot of the major issues, i.e. losing site of what hunting really about, bad apples in every group, etc. I think certain Tribes, take advantage of the system and the tribes need to do a better job of regulating their people versus letting them run a muck. Obviously the State and WDFW has no ability to and that's why I think that the treaties have outlived their use. Poaching is poaching is poaching and something needs to be done to minimize poaching from Natives and Nonnatives alike.If you want to uphold your culture and tradition, I am all for it and would support you in doing so. I would be in support to some revised treaties to allow for the harvesting of animals to help preserve your culture and tradition, but the current system isn't working. My primary concern is being able to pass on hunting and fishing to my children, but I think our sport is in grave danger if all of us aren't willing to compromise! Again, there are things that need to be updated but it's not at the expense of the Treaties. And I for one and many of my family members don't see it as a "sport" but that's how some do and the mind set needs to be adjusted. This isn't a sport to I and my family, it's a way of life, a culture and tradition passed down for many many many generations.
Plat. I think i remember you saying somthing about going to montana, or wyoming to hunt buffalo. Maybe it wasnt you dont remember. What is the diff between that and the mucks comming to the ceded area?
