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State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« on: August 09, 2008, 08:42:18 AM »
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008101875_cougar09m0.html

State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today

By Sandi Doughton
Seattle Times science reporter
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is proposing to scale back hound hunting of cougars to protect declining populations of the big cats.

The plan, which will be voted on today by the state Fish and Wildlife Commission, would reduce quotas by about 40 percent in central and northeastern Washington. The number of animals killed in the five-county area would drop from 102 to 62.

But for the first time, the state would allow "pursuit-only" hunts, in which cougars are chased and treed by hounds but not shot. The goal is to find out whether such harassment will condition the cats to avoid people and homes, said Donny Martorello, Fish and Wildlife's top cougar manager.

"It works with black bears," he said. For big cats, though, "the jury is still out."

Washington voters overwhelmingly approved a citizen initiative in 1996 that banned the use of hounds to hunt cougars, a practice some consider cruel. The dogs track the cougar by scent and chase it into a tree to give the hunter an easy shot. Without the use of dogs, which are most effective in snow-covered areas, it is difficult to find the elusive cats.

Complaints about cougars killing livestock and threatening people soared in the early 2000s, and the Legislature in 2004 approved a three-year pilot project to reintroduce hound hunting in Chelan, Okanogan, Stevens, Pend Oreille and Ferry counties, where the problems were most severe. Lawmakers this year extended the program another three years.

After the citizen initiative was adopted, state wildlife managers also liberalized regulations for cougar hunters who do not use dogs.

The net result is that hunters now kill more cougars, on average, than before the hound-hunting ban.

Researchers from Washington State University found cougar populations declined steeply in some of the most heavily hunted parts of northeastern Washington. At the same time, complaints remained high, likely as a result of younger, less-wily animals moving in to replace adults killed by hunters, according to studies by Robert Wielgus, director of WSU's Large Carnivore Conservation Laboratory.

Because of this influx of "young hooligan" cougars, Wielgus says, heavy hunting may actually increase human-cougar conflicts rather than reduce them.

State wildlife managers have been collaborating with WSU to find out if that's true and will continue gathering data over the next few years, Martorello said. "We certainly don't want to make matters worse."

The data are already clear, though, that something needs to be done to stabilize cougar populations in central and northeastern Washington — which is the main reason for the proposed hunting reductions, Martorello said.

The department also is considering changes to the rules for so-called boot hunters — those who buy a $10 tag that allows them to kill cougars while hunting deer or elk. Among the proposals, which will be presented later this summer, are reducing the bag limit from two cougars to one and shortening the season.

Brian Vincent, of the conservation group Big Wildlife, said the quota reductions show that state wildlife managers are paying attention to the latest science. But his group continues to push for a ban on killing cougars, except animals that pose a serious risk to people or livestock.

"Trophy hunters do not go after the very rare cougar that is causing a problem," he said. "They are indiscriminately killing cougars."

Over the past 100 years, one person in Washington has been killed by a cougar. During that same period, cougars have attacked about 15 people, according to state figures.

A cougar was spotted two weeks ago at several sites in Olympia, including a park and grocery-store parking lot. Wildlife managers attempted to track the animal with dogs but were unable to find it.

Martorello estimates about half of the state's cougar complaints come from along the Interstate 5 corridor between Olympia and Bellingham.

Sandi Doughton: 206-464-2491 or sdoughton@seattletimes.com

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 08:45:23 AM »
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THE WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE SUCKS MORE THAN EVER..........

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 08:48:55 AM »
I give up, not saying a damn word. Stupid peole are just that, stupid!

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 01:16:14 PM »
maybe we could use paint ball guns on elk so they will quit damaging crops........
THE WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE SUCKS MORE THAN EVER..........

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 01:37:05 PM »
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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 06:23:09 PM »
what a bunch of idiot's. some one will die. i'll guess i'll spend a month in Arizona.i'm just bummed. there arent going to be any elk left on the coast. wait till we cant coyote hunt becauce of those wolve's. it's coming. wolf the new spotted owl. Rick
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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 06:30:21 PM »
wait till we cant coyote hunt becauce of those wolve's. it's coming. wolf the new spotted owl. Rick

Mark those words..I bet you are right. :bash:




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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 07:55:40 PM »
when you hunt the high buck hunt in pasayton wilderness. sept 15 coyote close's there becauce of wolve's. Rick
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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 08:57:18 PM »

when you hunt the high buck hunt in pasayton wilderness. sept 15 coyote close's there becauce of wolve's. Rick

The only reference I can find for a closure of any coyote season comes from this year's trapping regs:

SPECIAL COYOTE REGULATIONS
A hunting or trapping license is required to take coyote. Coyote may be trapped in western Washington from October 1 to March 31, and may be taken in eastern Washington year-round; EXCEPT no coyote may be taken from September 15 to November 30 in the following areas: Pasayten Wilderness, GMUs 426 and 450, and those portions of GMUs 218, 245, and 448 within exterior boundaries of Mount Baker-Snoqualmie, Okanogan, and Wenatchee National Forests.

Unless I missed an amendment to the hunting regs or I'm reading this wrong, I think this is a closure only for the trapping of coyotes.  I'm pretty sure 'yotes are okay to hunt all year in that area.  :dunno:




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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 10:04:35 PM »
you cannot hunt them after sept 15th. this has been over 10 year's. i think steve Darwood cascade outfitter's and a national forest game warden that told us would know. how do you trap coyote's if you cant trap. Rick
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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 12:09:42 PM »
bearmanric,
With all due respect, you are mistaken on this.  I have looked back and forth through the hunting regulations and no where could I find any reference to what you say. 
you cannot hunt them after sept 15th. this has been over 10 year's. i think steve Darwood cascade outfitter's and a national forest game warden that told us would know. how do you trap coyote's if you cant trap. Rick

I just phoned the Ephrata WDFW office and they said coyote hunting season is open year round, statewide
----Quoted from page 63, 2008 Wa. State Big game hunting regs.----
        "Coyote, no bag limit, Statewide, open year round
        If hounds are used, season is:
        Sept. 2, 2008 - Mar. 15, 2009
        (Except year round with hounds in Adams,
        Benton, Franklin, & Grant counties)" 

Please, before you make any statement, be certain of what you claim to be true, don't just take someone's word on it.   :twocents:  You've may have missed some good hunting chances for more than 10 years...   :dunno:

Sorry, got off topic...   :jacked:
« Last Edit: August 11, 2008, 12:32:39 PM by cabin308 »

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 12:29:20 PM »
Meanwhile... did anyone hear about the outcome from the meeting?

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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 12:58:12 PM »
nothing yet. Rick
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Re: State to decide on plan to scale back cougar hunting today
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 04:33:27 PM »
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are reducing the bag limit from two cougars to one and shortening the season.

Not like many fill two of them, but still, shortening the season?




 


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