Post by: longstevo on February 08, 2013, 01:33:55 AM
The Department of Homeland Security has purchased over 7000 'Personal Defense Weapons' and over 2.6 billion rounds of ammunition recently. Add that to two military exercises with helicopters shooting blanks over the cities of Miama and Houston. And add that to the president's new litmus test for upcoming military officers that asks the question, 'would you fire on American citizens?' All this comes together and it seems like the government is ramping up preparations to crack down on its people: us.
I've been thinking about it, and I ask you this: when government operatives come to our houses and demand the turn over of all our firearms, will we honestly be able to look our loved ones and children in the eyes before we resist? Any sort of resistance to government enforcement, right or wrong, will be met with prison or death. The options won't be better than that. How many of us will be able to back our talk and fire upon law enforcement, military, or government troops? All this talk about 'Come and Get Them,' 'From My Cold Dead Hands,' and the such sure sounds tough now, but how many of us are actually willing to die for our firearms?
Even if we band together and form one of the strongest militias the world has ever seen, we will never have access to drone strikes, fighter jets, armor, and explosives (at least on the scale the military has access to) to make an effective stand against the government.
A guy I work with today made a comment that I have been thinking about. "The nail that stands up gets hammered down." That boils down to any sort of resistance we make will be met with death or imprisonment. How many of us are willing to accept that to stand up for our rights?
Just something to think about.
Post by: scotty1969 on February 08, 2013, 02:36:51 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 08, 2013, 04:46:31 AM
Post by: timberghost72 on February 08, 2013, 10:39:02 PM
Another question is does anyone have a network of friends/family who will back you up no questions if SHTF? It would be beneficial to have that whether the Guberment comes or the gangs/zombies.
Post by: csaaphill on February 09, 2013, 01:38:20 AM
personally prefer them to come take them rather than us complying each and everyturn that sadens me more than the other option.
Post by: csaaphill on February 09, 2013, 01:44:03 AM
the law is the law as you put it prison or death.couldn't agree more.but its not just a matter of us law abiding citizens resisting them from taking our firearms isn't it also them that are trying are breaking the law by trying to do so.the military take an oath to do as they are told by there superiors and also take an oath to fight for the constitution.its not our brave soldiers that we should fear its outside forces that will try to do the deed. I M O.also everyone is always talking about a gov takeover i dought it really i do,the main reason i believe we need to be able to defend ourselves is illegals coming over the borders and gangs.gangs outnumber our military by a very large margin what will we really do when ms13,the nortenos or any of them decide to try a take over is what we should really be prepping for. IMOGov take over is already here FDR started that already in the 30's This has been the writing on the wall at least since then.
Point in case is since that time both Republicans and Democrats have taken our right little by little for thier own causes.
1968 gun ctrl act I beleive was Republican sponsored if wrong then I appologise but think it was. I think LBJ was president then Or nixon so if not started by them a Republican signed it into law.
Post by: hillbilli on February 09, 2013, 03:08:20 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 03:50:27 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 09, 2013, 04:17:54 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 09, 2013, 06:20:51 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 06:34:05 AM
Post by: RoyBoy on February 09, 2013, 06:37:24 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 06:40:16 AM
Post by: Da stump on February 09, 2013, 06:52:05 AM
Dale
Post by: TheFewTheProud on February 09, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 09, 2013, 07:43:42 AM
Post by: walleye1 on February 09, 2013, 07:46:29 AM
Post by: Wea300mag on February 09, 2013, 07:49:03 AM
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Post by: poopooheaddad on February 09, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Post by: TheFewTheProud on February 09, 2013, 11:50:04 AM
Post by: BowForElk on February 09, 2013, 11:54:30 AM
And the other reason being collateral damage. When they start launching missiles and blowing up buildings and putting holes in roads the public will openly outcry and I think that anti gunners will be with them as well.
Why hasn't anyone suggested raiding this DHS facility and getting all this ammo and AR's :dunno:
Post by: buckfvr on February 09, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Post by: BowForElk on February 09, 2013, 12:37:26 PM
Post by: norsepeak on February 09, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 09, 2013, 01:12:50 PM
If our not prepared to go gurilla then that was for not. If so then :tup: but anyother thing is a waste.
I'm thinking if somethign was to come down it would be FBI, DHS, ATF, and any other Fed organization. Military maybe, but not that likely giving the resistance within their ranks we are seeing. With that said these guys would be more than hard to beat but beatable I believe, but ya lots of gurilla activity would be the key.
People dont htink this will happen, but giving what has happened in New York and what is about to happen in California I think it's very realistic. Why because Progressive Socialism is very much a globalistic ideal. The constitution is being violated daily do why does anyone think they won't violate the 4th, and 5th? With them watching us like this site, and all the 1st is expendible as well.
Agenda 21 is a UN thing and that is what is being used to take peoples land property etc... already so why wouldn't Obama sign their small arms treaty? I know I know it wont happen don't be so sure.
With all that being forwarned will go far in this.
Post by: buckfvr on February 09, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Post by: lokidog on February 09, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 09, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 09, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
The police and military will serve a back-up support role but the Feds. DHS FBI ETC. will be doing the actual confiscation. It sure looks bad. They are watching this site, facebook even building a huge database building to store all emails in the usa. This info could easily be used to build a gun ownership registry that was pretty good to start with. Just saying. I bow hunt. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Yeah, there is a drone over Dale's house just waiting for the order to fire :yike:
Post by: csaaphill on February 09, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
U.N. Agenda 21 is being implemented Incremental, all over the world. This movie has been shown before in history. After gun registration comes confiscation, then comes genocide. The regime purges all dissidents and threats to they state. Anyone who will not conform is called a terrorist and is eliminated. This is an old movie we have seen many times. Now its being played here in our own country.yep and from what I hear they only want a world pop at 1bill or less.
The barb wire on the FEMA camps does face inward.
and as for being watched as long as no one actually threatens anything they can't do nothing unless they use NDAA. :bash: :dunno:
Post by: csaaphill on February 09, 2013, 09:58:41 PM
Post by: hillbilli on February 09, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
they take while i'm gone guess law abiding just shot through the roof.
Both.
:chuckle:
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 10, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
Post by: BowForElk on February 10, 2013, 01:05:40 AM
Don't be surprised with the plethra of legislation being thrown out there and from what I heard from the legislatures in California saying this is a helath and safety issue don't be surprised if surprise inspections come at some time. Who what or where who know yet but don't be surprised. OSHA maybe FEMA who knows.
"***WARNING***
AR15's are known to cause cancer in the state of California" :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 01:12:35 AM
Was thinking on that too, don't think if you don't know now you probably wont then.
Actually with all i've seen coming and trying to get passed I'm beginging to think things are going to heat up worse.
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
Post by: longstevo on February 10, 2013, 02:04:34 AM
When the black suits come, loading up and shooting back isn't going to lead to anything except bad news for the gun owner. It'll essentially be a choice of 'hand them over or go to prison.'
But when its reported that all the guns were either 'sold' or 'lost,' that information will be reported as Mr. X's house is clear of all firearms. Then when Mr. X's house is burglarized, and he uses a firearm to defend his family, the police will come and discover that Mr. X possessed illegal firearms, and then he'll be the one in prison. It happened in Britain to a gentleman who is still currently in prison for defending himself during a break in with a shotgun and killed the suspect.
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 03:15:42 AM
Agreed to almost all points.thats whay you don't let someone stand alone on this come running prewarning can go along ways too.
When the black suits come, loading up and shooting back isn't going to lead to anything except bad news for the gun owner. It'll essentially be a choice of 'hand them over or go to prison.'
But when its reported that all the guns were either 'sold' or 'lost,' that information will be reported as Mr. X's house is clear of all firearms. Then when Mr. X's house is burglarized, and he uses a firearm to defend his family, the police will come and discover that Mr. X possessed illegal firearms, and then he'll be the one in prison. It happened in Britain to a gentleman who is still currently in prison for defending himself during a break in with a shotgun and killed the suspect.
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 03:19:54 AM
prewarning though could go a long way and 2 or more stand together like stacks of paper has force.
one piece of paper alone does nothing but many pieces together holds.
Post by: pens fan on February 10, 2013, 05:35:53 AM
Post by: BowForElk on February 10, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
Agreed to almost all points.
When the black suits come, loading up and shooting back isn't going to lead to anything except bad news for the gun owner. It'll essentially be a choice of 'hand them over or go to prison.'
But when its reported that all the guns were either 'sold' or 'lost,' that information will be reported as Mr. X's house is clear of all firearms. Then when Mr. X's house is burglarized, and he uses a firearm to defend his family, the police will come and discover that Mr. X possessed illegal firearms, and then he'll be the one in prison. It happened in Britain to a gentleman who is still currently in prison for defending himself during a break in with a shotgun and killed the suspect.
This is the way I look at it. They are gonna come to my door (maybe assuming they break through the gate) and ask to come inside and I say no. They don't have a warrant cause they don't have probable cause so they don't come in. I close the door and the first person that helps themselves through my door is getting shot. Period. At that point you're the same as a burglar in my book.
Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 10, 2013, 11:23:36 AM
Interesting commentary on treaties.
Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2013, 11:33:26 AM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 10, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 10:11:55 PM
http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Articles/Treaties.htm (http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Articles/Treaties.htm)True but with Obama Burning the Constitution along with states doing the same NY, Califonria, and now New Jersey which I will post something on that here soon, the constitution wont stand in their way.
Interesting commentary on treaties.
Don't be fooled that the constitution protects us because even though were still waiting to see what New York does on this they've already Infringed. 1968 infringed, 1934 infringed sorry but ya it did.
Post by: yote on February 10, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
If any government force shows up, I "wont have any" firearms. If push comes to shove I'll get killed resisting. No kids, no family to think of. I wont live in a land where the government goes door to door taking guns. The dream that was America will be over.
Exactly.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 10, 2013, 10:38:42 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 11:13:34 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 10, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
here
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/new-jersey-gun-owners-get-a-big-fu-from-state-house-democrats/#ixzz2KT1I1iWl (http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/new-jersey-gun-owners-get-a-big-fu-from-state-house-democrats/#ixzz2KT1I1iWl)
Trenton, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Hours after the New Jersey Freedom Rally, with over 1000 attendees that braves pouring cold rains, ended, Anti-Gun Democrats in the Assembly announced they would hurry a package of 24 gun-control bills, most of which had previously been introduced, through the legislative process starting next week.
They hope to vote on the measures Feb. 21. 2013 while they can still capitalize on the tragedy of the Connecticut School Shooting.
Those proposals, along with other gun control measures introduced in the weeks since the Newtown, Conn., shooting, drew particular ire from the rally attendees.
The legislation identified as a priority by Democrats includes a prohibition on magazines capable of carrying more than 10 rounds and a requirement that all private gun sales – those between one individual and another – include a background check.
Democratic legislators have argued that New Jersey’s existing gun laws – which are considered some of the strictest in the country – could be tightened.
The bills include:
•A3645- Requires ammunition sales and transfers be conducted as face‑to‑face transactions.
•A3646- Establishes a regulatory system to govern the sale and transfer of ammunition.
•A3653- Criminalizes purchasing or owning weapon if person has previous conviction of unlawful possession of weapon.
•A3659- Revises definition of destructive device to include certain weapons of 50 caliber or greater.
•A3664- Reduces lawful maximum capacity of certain ammunition magazines in New Jersey.
•A3666- Prohibits mail order, Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer in New Jersey.
•A3667- Requires mental health screening by licensed professional to purchase a firearm..
•A3668- Prohibits investment by State of pension and annuity funds in companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use.
•A3676- Requires psychological evaluation and in‑home inspection as prerequisite to purchase firearm.
•A3687- Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun.
•A3688- Requires mental health evaluation and list of household members with mental illness to purchase firearm.
•A3689- Requires security guards who carry weapons to wear certain uniform, including identification card.
•A3690- Declares violence a public health crisis, recommends expansion of mental health programs, recommends federal adoption of gun control measures, and establishes “Study Commission on Violence.”
•A3704- Requires handgun ammunition to be encoded with serial number.
•A3707- Establishes a ballistics identifier program for certain firearms.
•A3717- Requires submission of certain mental health records to National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
•A3727- Imposes additional five percent tax on sale of firearms and ammunition to fund safety infrastructure improvements in public buildings.
•A3748 – Requires background check for private gun sales.
•A3750 – Establishes regulatory and reporting program for all ammunition sales.
•A3752 – Requires firearms to be unloaded and securely locked or stored within home.
•A3753 – Increases references required for application for handgun permit and firearms identification card from two to five.
•A3754 – Requires firearms seizure when mental health professional determines patient poses threat of harm to self or others.
•A3772 – Requires that firearms purchaser identification cards display picture; mandates that firearms purchaser identification cards be renewed every five years.
•A3773 – Increases firearms purchaser identification card and permit to purchase a handgun fee.
•ACR176 – Memorializes Congress and the President of the United States to enact legislation enforcing stricter firearms control measures.
•AR143 – Expresses support for Attorney General’s gun buyback program.
•AR133- Expresses support for creation of task force on gun control led by Vice President Biden.
•S2430- Declares violence a public health crisis, recommends expansion of mental health programs, recommends federal adoption of gun control measures, and establishes “Study Commission on Violence.”
•S2456- Criminalizes purchase or possession of firearms ammunition by persons convicted of certain crimes.
•S2464- Regulates sale and transfer of rifle and shotgun ammunition.
•S2465- Prohibits mail order, Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer in New Jersey.
•S2467- Prohibits State administered pension fund investment in manufacturers of firearms prohibited in New Jersey.
•S2471- Prohibits investment by State of pension and annuity funds in companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use.
•S2474- Establishes a regulatory system to govern the sale and transfer of ammunition.
•S2475- Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.
•S2476- Requires ammunition sales and transfers be conducted as face‑to‑face transactions.
•S2485- Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun.
•S2497- Reduces lawful maximum capacity of certain ammunition magazines in New Jersey.
•S2523 – Establishes a regulatory program for rifle and shotgun ammunition sales.
•S2525 – Establishes regulatory and reporting program for all ammunition sales.
•SCR136- Urges President and Congress of United States to enact assault weapons ban including prohibition against large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
•SR96 -Urges President and Congress to reauthorize assault weapons ban.
•SR92 -Urges Congress to strengthen gun control
Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/new-jersey-gun-owners-get-a-big-fu-from-state-house-democrats/#ixzz2KZYZgQQj (http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/new-jersey-gun-owners-get-a-big-fu-from-state-house-democrats/#ixzz2KZYZgQQj)
Post by: npaull on February 10, 2013, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 11, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
You guys are crazy paranoid. I wish I could realistically bet on this...Really? Watch and see. If nobody stood up and said no it already would be law.
Post by: csaaphill on February 11, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
Tons and tons of anti gun legislation is being forced upon us. Almost every day a new state comes forth with more and more stuff to fight against. Thats reality.
Post by: longstevo on February 11, 2013, 04:39:19 AM
You guys are crazy paranoid. I wish I could realistically bet on this...Really? Watch and see. If nobody stood up and said no it already would be law.
I wish you were right.
The fact is the government wants our guns. Why would they possibly want our firearms? Its not to take away our hunting ability. They want to take away the guns because without our ability to defend ourselves, the government can crush us under its boot and force whatever rule down our throat it wants...
...more than it already does...
Its already happened in this country before. Ask the Native Americans and 1940's era Japanese just how well the government can treat you.
Post by: csaaphill on February 14, 2013, 10:43:24 PM
Post by: haugenna on February 14, 2013, 11:33:35 PM
If it did come to contiscation, the US military would not be doing it. It would be foreign military paid by the US.
Post by: madmack76 on February 15, 2013, 12:56:59 AM
Post by: csaaphill on February 15, 2013, 05:46:27 AM
Obama has four years left. FOUR! He will not convince the house, the senate, the military, and law enforcement to confiscate our guns. We have the power of the vote. Let's hope Americans wake up to the liberal nut jobs and start electing someone with some conservative views.nope if that bill to allow him more time goes through he'll get unlimited time.
If it did come to contiscation, the US military would not be doing it. It would be foreign military paid by the US.
Even if true since were the minority won't matter whos in it will most assuredly be a domocrat with the same Socialist agenda.
and to those that say the military and all wont do it are mistaken there are tons of sheriffs who will got many letters already from some that will enforce them. and what with the states going this route wont those same sherifs who say they wont enforce fed law enforce state law?
and come the the hunting and rights thread to check out all the states that are passing gun bans and registration and confiscation.
Post by: JJD on February 15, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
Bands of resistors will be labeled crazed right wing militia groups.
Gorillas will be labeled as murderers.
All will be vilified by a media who will insist that you can trade freedom for security.
Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 15, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
1) Educate yourself about internet protocol. How the internet works and how data moves from one computer to another. Download a TOR browser and learn how to minimize your ability to be tracked over the internet.
2) Invest in old fashioned maps for areas you may need to operate in. In an emergency, the satellites that supply data to consumer GPS units can be disabled. If you can find a wide format scanner to use, scan the maps in the highest resolution the scanner is capable of and convert them to PDF. These can then be digitally shared with other likeminded people.
3) Next time you are in an area that you rarely frequent, stop at a drug store and buy a pay-as-you-go cellphone with cash and never use it. These are extremely useful for a lot of things and cost very little. You can even add more minutes to the phone using kiosks and cash and they are completely untraceable. Drug dealers call them burners because you use them for awhile then throw them away and get new ones leaving anyone tracking you at square one.
4) Take lots of classes on first aid. Preventing infections and being able to set a bone could mean life over death if you were in a situation where you couldn’t go to a hospital.
5) Join social organizations like the Freemasons, Elks, or local business organizations. Build strong networks within your community that can be called on later. Try not to be “that guy who won’t shut up about the upcoming revolution.”
6) Read. Read. Read. Read books about war, sociology, medicine, history. Most of the military’s more common training manuals are available online for free. Whatever you want to do in this world, someone has already succeeded at and someone has failed at. There are likely books on both.
7) If you do join “patriot” groups, there will be undercover government agents there. They were in the 60’s, OWS, Ruby Ridge, and there is no reason to believe the government’s changed tactics. If there is a new guy who nobody knows who says “Lets blow up this building, I know where to get a bomb.” This is a government agent.
8) Most importantly, do not isolate people who don’t agree with you. They will keep you grounded. What happens is these groups reinforce their own delusions, and prevent you from getting a realistic view of the situation.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 15, 2013, 08:02:49 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 17, 2013, 12:49:24 AM
Post by: hillbilli on February 17, 2013, 01:10:45 AM
Post by: CementFinisher on February 17, 2013, 02:16:48 AM
If it comes to the military coming to confinscate our weapons or to arrest us be smart. Do not resist in the open. Unfortunatly we cannot overpower the military with all there hardware and assets. We need to break into small cells and resist by hitting where we can get in and get out. The special forces and special ops people know what i am refering too. Look at the resistance movements during our bloody history. I personally think that if in a resistance mode if you plan on using guns, reallistally your committing suicide. A surgical strike and retreat maybe but we don't have the firepower to stand up and battle it out toe to toe. Think about the things that you can do that you don't have to be there. Worked EOD in the service.
Dale
I'm going to have to have a freind or two change thier mos so they can teach me and others how to make some of those tools. Lots of em being used over in the sand box and they broke the american peoples support for the wars.
Post by: csaaphill on February 17, 2013, 03:52:08 AM