Post by: Goomsba on February 13, 2013, 09:45:54 AM
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/feb/13/wolf-photographed-near-ardenvoir-probably-just/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/feb/13/wolf-photographed-near-ardenvoir-probably-just/)
Post by: CP on February 13, 2013, 09:50:28 AM
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Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 09:56:02 AM
They aren't just passing through.oh come on, Dave said " there is no evidence that there are resident wolves in the area." Rest assured he knows what he is talking about.
Post by: Northway on February 13, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Post by: notellumcreek on February 13, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
That's quite a photograph; I thought it was some stock photo until I read the article.............
:tup: that wolf is very pretty. Would look good on the wall.
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on February 13, 2013, 09:58:22 AM
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
That's quite a photograph; I thought it was some stock photo until I read the article.............
:yeah: I was thinking the same thing.
It is a beautiful wolf. Of course I'd rather see it taking a Dirt Nap. ;)
Post by: Elkrunner on February 13, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
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Post by: Huntboy on February 13, 2013, 11:02:17 AM
Goodbye deer.
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
Are the native americans allowed to shoot as many as they want? Not trying to stir the pot it is an honest question. Actually as I type I am wondering the wolf is maybe a sacred animal or something. Again not trying to stir the pot, I am just not familiar with their rules or traditions.
Indians are taking the wolf situation into their own hands. As I understand it, the wolf does have spiritual significance in most Western Indian cultures, but not to the extent that they won't kill them. I believe that both the Colville and Yakima nations have said they will "manage" wolves on their reservations according to their own needs. Good for them. :tup:
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2013, 11:24:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2013, 11:45:29 AM
I wonder why they don't try to manage the wolf on their ceded lands as well? :dunno: (Which includes the Entiat).
Maybe because there aren't enough wolves to manage?
Post by: yote on February 13, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
Goodbye deer.:yeah: x2
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 13, 2013, 12:06:13 PM
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2013, 12:08:58 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
It would do wonders for helping the relationship between the tribe and non-native sportsmen. (If they took out some wolves.)
They wouldn't make any friends with all the wolf lovers though.
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2013, 12:29:14 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 13, 2013, 12:34:33 PM
It would do wonders for helping the relationship between the tribe and non-native sportsmen. (If they took out some wolves.)
They wouldn't make any friends with all the wolf lovers though.
wolf lover's would be fine with that. after all, Indian's killing a wolf is "natural" and you know how greenies are all about nature. :chuckle: :chuckle: it would be like a bobcat killing a rabbit. :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on February 13, 2013, 12:35:10 PM
Thanks for the info. I am sure it would be way easier for them to kill a few wolves and not get the flack that non tribal hunters would get.Are the native americans allowed to shoot as many as they want? Not trying to stir the pot it is an honest question. Actually as I type I am wondering the wolf is maybe a sacred animal or something. Again not trying to stir the pot, I am just not familiar with their rules or traditions.
Indians are taking the wolf situation into their own hands. As I understand it, the wolf does have spiritual significance in most Western Indian cultures, but not to the extent that they won't kill them. I believe that both the Colville and Yakima nations have said they will "manage" wolves on their reservations according to their own needs. Good for them. :tup:
Here is a quote from the very end of the article that I thought was odd also. I had heard of a small herd of elk in the area but never heard anything about moose until this statement.
"Monette, a self-described avid sportsman, also photographed a moose with two calves and a couple of elk in the area Monday. He said he’s seen wolves in Montana before, but never one in this area and never so close. It was an exciting and slightly unnerving experience, he said."
I guess it makes sense the wolves are there if there are moose also, moose are delicious. :EAT:
Post by: X-Force on February 13, 2013, 01:04:47 PM
It looks like the wolf population is getting as big as many of you think...
Post by: hirshey on February 13, 2013, 04:59:25 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 14, 2013, 09:30:13 AM
This statement is dead on, and also applies to the moose and elk populations up the Entiat.
Post by: Northway on February 14, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
They are "dispersing" quite quickly and in 2's and 3's not to be considered a "breeding pair". It's pretty impressive the range of sightings I've heard the past few months... including multiple sightings in the Methow that I have a hard time believing are all the Lookout pack due to the variety of locations. And still no answer to my Lake Chelan Sawtooth wolves genetics or origin. If an outdoors enthusiast like myself can walk out in the woods and have 3 wolf encounters in the last 2 years in this state, as well as an (ex)significant-other adding to that count, there are a lot more out there than the state A)knows about and/or B)is letting on.
From my understanding, it's widely accepted that wolf counts an be underestimated by 20-30%. I'm sure the resources being allocated by the state to keep those numbers updated could swing that percentage either way.
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Post by: mulehunter on February 14, 2013, 12:56:52 PM
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One of my buddy live in Wentachee and he talked to me that he know a guy that got wolves on his webcam and its a pregnant female wolf confirmed by Fish/wildlife what he said. Also There are three others wolves that F/G are tracking too. I am wait to hear more from buddy, his friend Rancher, or Fish/game soon.
There possible new pack could hang out "SouthWest of Wentachee" Between Jumpoff ridge all way to Horse lake Mt somewhere around there. Female Wolf might birth new pups soon somewhere between.....
I will get more info if I hear from him with new info or WDFW possible post their website soon. I could be wrong.
I have been hold those picture since Dec 18 and I want to wait to make sure it same Wolf as Craig's picture and it does MATCH, My friend's frined know the ranch has video camera from his ranch captured last fall 2012 and he get Picture out of Video to share with. Look like VERY SAME ONE as one of Craig Monette's picture of Lone Wolf. I believe Lone Wolf have been travel all over place in Chelan County She Possible will travel north to find Male LookOut Pack to breed her. >:(
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Post by: bearpaw on March 19, 2013, 12:47:08 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121109.msg1597573.html#msg1597573 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121109.msg1597573.html#msg1597573)
Post by: mulehunter on March 19, 2013, 01:16:27 PM
Scott,
I support both bills. Indeed, you do have the right to protect your family, pets and livestock. But I do feel like all of these do-gooder Seattle people who are the ones demanding wolf re-establishment in Washington should help pay for those losses when it is at the jaws of the wolves they want.
Ed
Post by: Scottystyle on March 19, 2013, 10:53:10 PM
Post by: muleyslayer#1 on March 20, 2013, 12:01:05 AM
Met Craig up in the hills over the weekend seemed like a hell of nice guy. Thanked him for bringing the pics to the media WDFW cant hide that. It was cool to hear the story fright from Craig. Thanks again Craig :tup:Yea it was cool meeting Craig very nice guy. And yes thanks again Craig :tup:
Post by: ICEMAN on March 20, 2013, 04:46:14 AM
Never found kills like this before in these hills, and have noticed far less resident mulies in this area of late.
Depressing as hell.
Post by: woodywsu on March 20, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
Where was this at?
In the mission unit
Post by: hunterbuilder on March 20, 2013, 11:26:58 AM
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Post by: hunterbuilder on March 20, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
Antlerkings lab most likely. Especially if you didn't find any sheds around it
I thought it might be somebody shed hunting, but I did find a shed in the same trail as I found this track which was a few years old. I also hadn't seen any boot tracks within at least a half mile of the track. Who knows.
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Post by: wolfbait on March 26, 2013, 01:34:38 PM
They have been in Pitcher Canyon since November, and they deny deny deny that the elk was killed by wolves.... WDFW are a bunch of *censored*s. look at the pictures, the ass was chewed out of that elk, thats what these wolves do... chew the ass out and let them rot.
What you are seeing is the wolves eating their way into the public eye And as you can see WDFW were forced to confirm these wolves. How many more packs do you think there are in say the Clokum?
Remember back in 2009 when the pictures showed up of a bunch of elk that were run off the cliffs and into the Columbia, elk scattered out dead on the rocks below and in the river? WDFW claimed it was people on Quads, where did those pictures disappear to anyway?
Post by: huntnphool on March 26, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
:chuckle: :tup:They have been in Pitcher Canyon since November, and they deny deny deny that the elk was killed by wolves.... WDFW are a bunch of *censored*s. look at the pictures, the ass was chewed out of that elk, thats what these wolves do... chew the ass out and let them rot.
What you are seeing is the wolves eating their way into the public eye And as you can see WDFW were forced to confirm these wolves. How many more packs do you think there are in say the Clokum?
Remember back in 2009 when the pictures showed up of a bunch of elk that were run off the cliffs and into the Columbia, elk scattered out dead on the rocks below and in the river? WDFW claimed it was people on Quads, where did those pictures disappear to anyway?
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Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 02:28:35 PM
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“At first I thought it was a coyote,” said Monette, of Chelan. “Then I realized it was a wolf. It was like seeing a UFO. I had to stop and get my camera out of my backpack. I thought it would take off, but it just kept coming at me.”
WDFW has told me that wolves are skiddish and will run away at the sight of humans...
Post by: X-Force on March 26, 2013, 03:01:58 PM
Quote“At first I thought it was a coyote,” said Monette, of Chelan. “Then I realized it was a wolf. It was like seeing a UFO. I had to stop and get my camera out of my backpack. I thought it would take off, but it just kept coming at me.”
WDFW has told me that wolves are skiddish and will run away at the sight of humans...
:chuckle:
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
Quote“At first I thought it was a coyote,” said Monette, of Chelan. “Then I realized it was a wolf. It was like seeing a UFO. I had to stop and get my camera out of my backpack. I thought it would take off, but it just kept coming at me.”
WDFW has told me that wolves are skiddish and will run away at the sight of humans...
:chuckle:
Probably a cougar!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 26, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
That is a great company line and hey if they are not skiddish and they actually attack and eat someone, who is gonna know, the only witness is dead and eaten by a skiddish predator that travels in packs. :chuckle:Quote“At first I thought it was a coyote,” said Monette, of Chelan. “Then I realized it was a wolf. It was like seeing a UFO. I had to stop and get my camera out of my backpack. I thought it would take off, but it just kept coming at me.”
WDFW has told me that wolves are skiddish and will run away at the sight of humans...
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
That is a great company line and hey if they are not skiddish and they actually attack and eat someone, who is gonna know, the only witness is dead and eaten by a skiddish predator that travels in packs. :chuckle:Quote“At first I thought it was a coyote,” said Monette, of Chelan. “Then I realized it was a wolf. It was like seeing a UFO. I had to stop and get my camera out of my backpack. I thought it would take off, but it just kept coming at me.”
WDFW has told me that wolves are skiddish and will run away at the sight of humans...
That is some good logic there!
Post by: Booman2 on March 26, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 26, 2013, 06:31:18 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.Have you looked at all the criteria required to qualify for a confirmed wolf attack? It really wasn't possible to confirm an attack before extirpation because the amount of investigation that has to occur. Things like: the animal has to be examined by a trained biologist, it has to be found free of any disease, it has to be found to be pure wolf, etc. They couldn't test wolves live they do now, nor was it usually a trained biologist, nor could they determine if any hybrid breeding had occurred. So, most of the historical account of wolves is discounted.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.Have you looked at all the criteria required to qualify for a confirmed wolf attack? It really wasn't possible to confirm an attack before extirpation because the amount of investigation that has to occur. Things like: the animal has to be examined by a trained biologist, it has to be found free of any disease, it has to be found to be pure wolf, etc. They couldn't test wolves live they do now, nor was it usually a trained biologist, nor could they determine if any hybrid breeding had occurred. So, most of the historical account of wolves is discounted.
:yeah:
Post by: wolfbait on March 26, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
Just a few examples, and these wolves weren't as big as the wolves that Ed bangs brought down from Alberta.
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html (http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html)
Post by: hirshey on March 27, 2013, 12:49:25 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 27, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
Wow, thats more restraint than I would have shown.
Post by: AspenBud on March 27, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
To date, more people have been attacked and killed by mountain lions and bear in North America than by wolves. Until that statistic changes, people will continue to see wolves as shy and not too threatening. In other words, the naysayers aren't listening.
Side note, do you know if you were near a kill or den when your encounter happened?
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
To date, more people have been attacked and killed by mountain lions and bear in North America than by wolves. Until that statistic changes, people will continue to see wolves as shy and not too threatening. In other words, the naysayers aren't listening.
Side note, do you know if you were near a kill or den when your encounter happened?
Yes, because wolves have been gone for 70 years, those stats would make sense. However, their meteoric rise in population over the last 15 years will lead to a changing of the guard for human-killing predators. They are predators of opportunity and will continue to find easy prey. Small humans will start to be attacked much more frequently. If you don't think it's so, you haven't been paying attention to the news reports from ID, MT AK, and AB.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 27, 2013, 01:32:09 PM
Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
To date, more people have been attacked and killed by mountain lions and bear in North America than by wolves. Until that statistic changes, people will continue to see wolves as shy and not too threatening. In other words, the naysayers aren't listening.
Side note, do you know if you were near a kill or den when your encounter happened?
Yes, because wolves have been gone for 70 years, those stats would make sense. However, their meteoric rise in population over the last 15 years will lead to a changing of the guard for human-killing predators. They are predators of opportunity and will continue to find easy prey. Small humans will start to be attacked much more frequently. If you don't think it's so, you haven't been paying attention to the news reports from ID, MT AK, and AB.
:yeah:
Post by: hirshey on March 27, 2013, 02:15:26 PM
Part of that issue comes from biologists and other natural resource specialists preaching that these animals are not dangerous. It is unfortunate that some of these "professionals" have had less time in the woods and more time behind desks pushing their agendas to really know for certain. The lady archery hunter in Idaho that shot the wolf charging her with her pistol (about a month after my aggressive encounter) is another prime example of this aggressive behavior in action. There was an old kill I had hiked to investigate but those animals followed me for miles displaying that behavior. Biologists said it was not a den site.Wolves eating people? Are you serious? Read the stats: 1 or possibly 2 in the recorded history of North America, and one of them (IMO) may have been a major part of the problem.
I was prey tested by two wolves. They were charging me and close enough that when I ran out of rocks, I was hitting them in the face with large grain sand/rocks. They had ZERO fear even when I fired my gun. You will never convince me that these opportunistic apex predators don't pose a threat to humans when the right situation arises.
To date, more people have been attacked and killed by mountain lions and bear in North America than by wolves. Until that statistic changes, people will continue to see wolves as shy and not too threatening. In other words, the naysayers aren't listening.
Side note, do you know if you were near a kill or den when your encounter happened?
Post by: BIGINNER on March 27, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Post by: AspenBud on March 27, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
the reason why there's not much wolf attacks in north America is because wolves haven't been around populated areas for a very long time. do some research on wolf attacks in Russia and other places where people and wolves "coexist"
But we don't live in Russia, we live in America, and our wolves are not Eurasian wolves. That's the argument you'll get.
It's not me that you need to convince. I'm beginning to question just how much wolves in western WA will really have an impact on public opinion outside of livestock owners and hunters.
Like I've said, you can bet that timber companies will welcome wolves on their lands to keep deer and elk in check and my gut feeling is most people won't care one way or another whether wolves are there or not. It's not like mountain lions, coyotes, and bear walking through towns like La Center or Seattle is unheard of nor are attacks on pets and people by those.
Unless wolves start picking off hunters, loggers, hikers, campers, mountain bikers etc I suspect the majority of the public will remain largely indifferent. If we had more of a hunting culture in this state it might be a different story. But I just don't see it. Pit bulls and child molesters are a bigger concern to most folks.
Hirshey had a close call and thank God it didn't turn out worse. But I guarantee most people will hear that story and say "so?" and point to cougar and bear attacks that led to someone getting hurt or even killed. It doesn't matter that wolves haven't been here for 70 years, people have a short memory and watch "Never Cry Wolf."
They aren't listening. I don't think that's right, but it's a fact. :bash:
Post by: Kola16 on March 27, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
There is not enough wildlife on the wet side. Once they get over here, they will run out of food and get into plenty of trouble. It will be over our news (hopefully), and people will begin to care.the reason why there's not much wolf attacks in north America is because wolves haven't been around populated areas for a very long time. do some research on wolf attacks in Russia and other places where people and wolves "coexist"It's not me that you need to convince. I'm beginning to question just how much wolves in western WA will really have an impact on public opinion outside of livestock owners and hunters.
Like I've said, you can bet that timber companies will welcome wolves on their lands to keep deer and elk in check and my gut feeling is most people won't care one way or another whether wolves are there or not. It's not like mountain lions, coyotes, and bear walking through towns like La Center or Seattle is unheard of nor are attacks on pets and people by those.
Unless wolves start picking off hunters, loggers, hikers, campers, mountain bikers etc I suspect the majority of the public will remain largely indifferent. If we had more of a hunting culture in this state it might be a different story. But I just don't see it. Pit bulls and child molesters are a bigger concern to most folks.