Post by: cohoho on March 26, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
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Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on March 26, 2013, 10:15:33 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
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Post by: grundy53 on March 26, 2013, 10:20:58 PM
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Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2013, 10:25:45 PM
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Post by: csaaphill on March 26, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on March 26, 2013, 10:28:21 PM
I used the same poker analogy to my father, a reformed OCer. I dont want anyone to know my agenda, equipment, or training. When in public I want to be just another face in the crowd.
:yeah:
I don't even tell my family when we go out. I Never mention it to anyone. Cocked, locked and faceless in the crowd.
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 10:34:24 PM
I'm not going to put anyone down for exercising their rights...........all I will say is, its not for me.
I'm with you.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 10:38:59 PM
Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:It acts as a deterant. Enough said. If some retards walks into the store to rob the place. He/she wants easy quick money...If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. He/she's alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me. Not that it makes it any better for the next person but like the previous poster said. If everyone did it, it wouldnt be that big of a deal and theres no doubt that it would make the crime rate go way down.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 10:40:00 PM
I'm not going to put anyone down for exercising their rights...........all I will say is, its not for me.
I'm with you.
I do agree with both of the above posts most people that I see OCing are just looking for attention. They dont have the situational awareness that I would think is needed to have a loaded firearm hanging off their belts. If someone needs to OC in the interum while their CPL is being processed I get that but any other situation just seems a little attention whoreish to me. With all the bad press regarding guns right now it would seem (to me at least) that this right, and the negative attention it often gets (because some of these people look to be trying to provoke confrontations), would turn more people off to firearm ownership than it would convert. Just one man's opinion.
Post by: huntnphool on March 26, 2013, 10:40:09 PM
Or just as likely make him the first target! :dunno:Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 10:40:55 PM
Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:It acts as a deterant. Enough said. If some retards walks into the store to rob the place. He/she wants easy quick money...If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
Or that would be the first person I immediately shoot to start my robbery while gaining additional equipment at the same time...
Edit: I am just too slow tonight!
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
People are usually looking for quick money with the least amount of hastle, not a murder case.Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:It acts as a deterant. Enough said. If some retards walks into the store to rob the place. He/she wants easy quick money...If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
Or that would be the first person I immediately shoot to start my robbery while gaining additional equipment at the same time...
Edit: I am just too slow tonight!
Post by: netcoyote on March 26, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
With rights, you either, use them or lose them. we all should open carry more often.:yeah:
No, I do not think it is stupid. Of all the terms you could use to describe it, why would you choose "stupid"? Open carry is not something I personally would choose to do in most public places, but I usually open carry on any outdoor outing, even going to a grocery store in rural areas, etc. It's more accepted there and less likely to get into a hassle over it. Guess it's the hassle factor more for me. Sure I could open carry in downtown Seattle, but I'm not trying to make a statement to anybody. But that's just me.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 10:51:15 PM
Again if that was the case, they or you.. would just murder the person behind the register and take the money. No need to request it and you would never hear "gimmie all yo money".. you could look at it from all sorts of angles. Guess the route you choose is up to you. If someone wants to open carry thats theyre own prerogative and right.Or just as likely make him the first target! :dunno:Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
Post by: snowpack on March 26, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 26, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
I don't OC around the cities. Having a gun on you in some ways is attracting people that will want to steal it from you. Prefer to blend in with the crowd.
naw, I wouldn't go that far as to say someone will want to steal it.
You would make some people uncomfortable, some might even confront you and chastize you, most will stare at you and some will gawk....others will give you thumbs up or nod approval and some may call 911.
I don't enjoy the attention myself.
Post by: KFhunter on March 26, 2013, 11:23:06 PM
If more people OC'd then it would become more "normalized" and as a reward for that you'd get less attention payed too you, less folks calling 911, and less gawkers and chastizers - perhaps.
The flip side is as it becomes more normalized so will the opposition, more likely to create a movement to restrict OC in urban areas.
People against it being faced with it more often will try to ban it or greatly restrict it.
Post by: huntnphool on March 26, 2013, 11:41:23 PM
I think you have me confused with someone else, I never said it wasn't their right to do so. :dunno:Again if that was the case, they or you.. would just murder the person behind the register and take the money. No need to request it and you would never hear "gimmie all yo money".. you could look at it from all sorts of angles. Guess the route you choose is up to you. If someone wants to open carry thats theyre own prerogative and right.Or just as likely make him the first target! :dunno:Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 11:54:20 PM
Yes sorry. Noimpactnoidea or w.e his name said "that would be the first person ""I"" would immedietly shoot".I think you have me confused with someone else, I never said it wasn't their right to do so. :dunno:Again if that was the case, they or you.. would just murder the person behind the register and take the money. No need to request it and you would never hear "gimmie all yo money".. you could look at it from all sorts of angles. Guess the route you choose is up to you. If someone wants to open carry thats theyre own prerogative and right.Or just as likely make him the first target! :dunno:Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. Hes alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me.
On my phone hard to move around. No hard feelings.
Post by: csaaphill on March 27, 2013, 12:34:19 AM
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Post by: ICEMAN on March 27, 2013, 04:54:32 AM
Maybe a monthly or yearly exercise, even with some publicity to remind the non-carrying public that we are numbers strong.
Post by: Blacklab on March 27, 2013, 05:15:44 AM
Seen a gentlemen in winco last year with his oc. Honestly it kind of made me smile to see it and second nobody was pointing fingers. Then my curiosity got to me and I had to go talk to him. I walked up said hi introduced myself and asked if I could ask a couple ?s. Sure he says. Then I asked if his oc caused him unwanted grief. Not as much as you would think. Here and there but very little. Then he say's it's legal to carry you know. Yes I know I was just wondering how much hassle you get. Not much, but hell I'm retired and sometime's a little bored. So I like to kick a few trees to see what falls out of them. :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 27, 2013, 05:54:02 AM
Post by: lee on March 27, 2013, 06:03:39 AM
Why do guys walk around displaying a holstered gun in the open carry, in a really public area? Today saw two open carrying. Something is just wrong with someone walking around Kent Station Square displaying open carry. Maybe low self esteem trying to look like a bad hombre or what? Come on, conceal it! I understand in the woods, doing recreational activities but sitting down in one of the most public places in Kent? WTF? I carried for over 25 years as part of my job and carry concealed every waking moment since leaving that profession, the last thing I want is someone to see what cards I have... Must be a terrible poker player, eh? And it is always someone that holy gripe, I'd be scared if somehow they had to utilize that weapon as method of force. I am all for 100% training for folks without prior experience. Guess part of the debate that I will always lose in an open forum, but most guys that carry scare the bejesus out of me... Am I alone?
Sir,
After read'un yer post I have to ask, Are you implying that everyone that OC's is/has:
1. Wrong
2. Low self esteem
3. Terrible poker players
4. Scare you
5. are not 100% trained
Such a wide range implication to an entire group of folks will have the same effect as throw'un gas on a fire to try and put it out.
OC'ers exercise this activity because IT IS THEIR RIGHT. Period
This is not meant to flame you, I am just concerned about the apparent implication you are presenting.
God speed,
Lee
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on March 27, 2013, 06:22:49 AM
Heck, hound hunting used to be legal, until a bunch of people decided that it was cruel and in poor taste... and poof, hound hunting is no more in this state.
:twocents:
Post by: Arnbo on March 27, 2013, 06:44:35 AM
It's their right... and none of our business.
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Post by: Alchase on March 27, 2013, 07:48:01 AM
Open carry to my knowledge, has never caused a single shooting?
Though there may be one I do not know about.
Do we allow people to keep us from voting, because they feel uncomfortable?
Or do we allow them to keep us from voting for a particular party?
So really, what is it that causes people to "oh my gosh, he has a gun!" when every police officer also has a gun on their hip?
The only thing causing this negative backlash, is an agenda within the person reacting that way.
Not the person who is open carrying.
Whats next?
It is not socially acceptable for you to have free speech anymore, because I am uncomfortable with what or how you say it.
I am not concerned about what others think about expressing my right to vote,
I am not concerned about what others think about my right to free speech,
I am not concerned about what others think about my right to carry fire arms, open or not,
I am not concerned, right up until someone makes an issue out of my rights, then I become very, very concerned.
What response does a normal person give when those rights list above start to be infringed upon by others ignorance?
They vote!
They speak
They express their rights to carry!
When we stop doing these things, we have lost
Post by: cohoho on March 27, 2013, 08:19:02 AM
Post by: Crunchy on March 27, 2013, 08:28:13 AM
Post by: mossy8352 on March 27, 2013, 08:36:38 AM
Post by: Arnbo on March 27, 2013, 08:37:34 AM
That are carrying handguns......I would bet the Thug would reconsider.
Post by: Alchase on March 27, 2013, 08:40:23 AM
I guess I was pretty literal and threw a large blanket over a group of people when I put this out last night based solely on the two guys I saw carrying OC. Not meant to offend, it was just these two folks I saw last night were really there for the show and display factor. Yep that me, trying to subdue people's rights! :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Cohoho, my statement was not meant to be pointed at you, but the ones who would oppose our rights in general.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 27, 2013, 08:57:20 AM
That being said, I think it’s a bad idea. The OP mentioned seeing guys open carry at Kent station, which is a crowded shopping district. That means any dumb kid could walk right up behind them, yank it out of its holster and run away with it. Being a deterrent to crime is dubious at best. People who rob retail stores aren’t exactly criminal masterminds who think this stuff out. They are people with poor impulse control and violent tendencies. Some junkie could be in a store to buy a pack of kools and see some guy obliviously open carrying and decide, “hey, I’ll grab this gun and rob the store with it.” I think it would be extra embarrassing to get pistol whipped with my own gun.
More than that though, I think it’s a bad way to be ambassadors of our subculture. I think open carrying is openly antagonistic and honestly it reeks of insecurity. it’s macho posturing and it plays into the stereotypes our opponents have painted us with.
Post by: Mike450r on March 27, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
If I had to choose one to be ruled illegal I would choose concealed carry. Think about if all law abiding owners were openly carrying, only the criminals would have their weapons concealed but they would be seeing a hell of a lot more people with a pistol on their hip and I think firearm crime would drop dramatically.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 27, 2013, 09:22:50 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on March 27, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
Post by: whitey on March 27, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
Maybe they don't have a license yet and just wanted to be protected? :dunno:It acts as a deterant. Enough said. If some retards walks into the store to rob the place. He/she wants easy quick money...If he/she sees a threat i.e. Someone holding a gun. He/she's alot more likely to just turn around and find a safer place to rob. Makes sense to me. Not that it makes it any better for the next person but like the previous poster said. If everyone did it, it wouldnt be that big of a deal and theres no doubt that it would make the crime rate go way down.
But on the same note. I walk in to rob a joint I see a guy with a gun!! Im going to shoot that person first. :yike:
Just saying I would rather not have attention brought to me so then when the freak thinks it safe to rob the store.. I shoot them. Game over. :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on March 27, 2013, 09:54:51 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
We should support anyone who legally carries and explain to those who don't know that exercising our 2nd Amendment rights is no different than exercising our 1st, 4th, or 5th Amendment rights. The only difference is that the 2nd is about us being able to own guns so we can keep the others from being taken away by a tyrannical government, if we should ever have one. :yike: :yike: :yike: Oh yeah, we do.
Post by: Atroxus on March 27, 2013, 10:04:56 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Post by: whitey on March 27, 2013, 10:26:04 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Really. :yike:
What makes you think this? :dunno:
Are you trained? :o
I know I am. :tup:
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.
Post by: Atroxus on March 27, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
That has nothing to do with how someone carries though, unless they are carrying it in some way that is obviously unsafe/irresponsible. Like in a holster, strapped to a seeing eye dog.
I agree that anyone who considers carrying whether open or concealed should know how to use their firearm(s), and should have given ample thought to their method of carry as well as what scenarios they would consider it appropriate or inappropriate to use a firearm. Just because someone carries open or concealed though has no bearing on whether they are competent to carry.
Personally when I do carry, I carry semi-concealed unless I am out hunting. I don't take great pains to conceal though because I don't like the idea of having to "dig" for my gun should I need to use it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 10:39:22 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.
Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.
Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 10:49:59 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Really. :yike:
What makes you think this? :dunno:
Are you trained? :o
I know I am. :tup:
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.
I had to help out a dude last summer that bought a shot gun and pistol in light of the recent gun buying frenzy, he's never held one before and he was packing it around.
His family asked if I would show him how to operate them safely, so I did...but a 30 minute crash course isn't going to make him safe a year from now.
I'd never seen someone so inept and scary. He reads all these books about this super human GI Joe type guy and wants to emulate that.
How about all these just turned 21 never had a real dad boys who gotta get their 1st handgun? Who's going to show them? Just do some youtube vids and you'll see.
Shooting my new Glock 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7hD8AGhpkI#ws)
language warning:
My First Gun Shot (Part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkiBc49UKjg#)
part 2
My First Gun Shot (Part 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj6L6HjrHRM#)
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 10:51:37 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.
Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.
Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.
I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.
I don't have the answer
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 10:54:59 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.
Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.
Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.
I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.
I don't have the answer
I think the answer is get active in your gun-rights community and encourage fellow gun owners to take an NRA safety course or the state Hunter Ed course. Maybe get certified as an RSO. There are lots of things you can do to try and make other people safe or make them aware of their options. Ultimately, it's up to them to do it.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:03:12 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Wow, this is a worse idea than the guy with the MSR, KF.
Do you need a class to observe your 1st Amendment rights? No. You know why? Because if you abuse those rights by yelling "fire" in a theater, you go to jail. The same thing happens if you abuse your 2nd Amendment rights. If you do so, you go to jail. YOU DON"T NEED A CLASS TO HAVE A RIGHT. That's for privileges. Get the training course idea out of your head and start making our politicians hold the idiots responsible for their actions under the law, instead.
Voluntary training is responsible. Required training is another way for the government to keep track of who has guns.
I understand that and don't disagree, still there is a problem.
I don't have the answer
I think the answer is get active in your gun-rights community and encourage fellow gun owners to take an NRA safety course or the state Hunter Ed course. Maybe get certified as an RSO. There are lots of things you can do to try and make other people safe or make them aware of their options. Ultimately, it's up to them to do it.
I'm not worried about the people who'll seek out a proper RSO.
I worry about the trash shooters, cocky arrogant new gun owners who don't even know enough to know they need some training and guidance.
what did you think of the "RSO" in the vids I posted above? That's who most people get for an "RSO".
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 11:09:50 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:12:23 AM
You realize I was talking about an NRA-certified range safety officer though, right?
Of course I did, but the vast majority of folks will never see one let alone know there might be one available in their area.
I'm all for what your suggesting, but unless there is something compelling new gun owners to such a class it'll never happen for the majority. Some cousin or friend will show em, they'll shoot an old fridge or bucket in the back 40 and that'll be it.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:17:43 AM
Take a $500 Glock and charge $1500 for it then give a $1000 rebate for proof of completion of approved class. Show the card and get the rebate at the register.
That is my only idea I got. I posted that on our last debate on this topic, 6-8 months ago.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 27, 2013, 11:21:06 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 27, 2013, 11:22:50 AM
I think the manufacturers will have to step up to the plate. Hopefully before the state does.....You wanna have to wait for a $1000 refund everytime you buy a gun? I don't.
Take a $500 Glock and charge $1500 for it then give a $1000 rebate for proof of completion of approved class. Show the card and get the rebate at the register.
That is my only idea I got. I posted that on our last debate on this topic, 6-8 months ago.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:23:36 AM
KF- I watched the videos you posted. And to be honest the first video I didn't really see much wrong. The gun owner took the time to make sure the other shooting(mainly the girls) knew where the parts are and that they were safe about it. I fail to see your problem with it. The other vids yeah there were a couple of less than safe moves made, but the guy making the video was clearly trying to teach the younger kid the basics. You really can't blame the guy for the kid being intimidated or even a little scared of the gun. I would venture all of us had our heart stop a little the first time we pulled a trigger. Most people who have never fired a gun really have no idea the power behind it. I didn't see anything in any of those video's that was grossly negligent and put someones life at risk. (except the one time the kid swept the camera guy after putting the magazine in.
Imagine how many are never filmed or posted on youtube
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
KF- I watched the videos you posted. And to be honest the first video I didn't really see much wrong. The gun owner took the time to make sure the other shooting(mainly the girls) knew where the parts are and that they were safe about it. I fail to see your problem with it. The other vids yeah there were a couple of less than safe moves made, but the guy making the video was clearly trying to teach the younger kid the basics. You really can't blame the guy for the kid being intimidated or even a little scared of the gun. I would venture all of us had our heart stop a little the first time we pulled a trigger. Most people who have never fired a gun really have no idea the power behind it. I didn't see anything in any of those video's that was grossly negligent and put someones life at risk. (except the one time the kid swept the camera guy after putting the magazine in.
piano is a certified RSO - let him pick the vids apart if you don't see any problems. Maybe you should book a class with him?
I'm not trying to offend you so don't take it wrong, that you don't see a lot of issues with the vids concerns me is all.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 11:31:43 AM
http://nrainstructors.org/SearchCourse.aspx (http://nrainstructors.org/SearchCourse.aspx)
I see plenty of problems in those videos right off the bat, especially with the first video - the guy immediately sweeps his own head and the camera and it just goes on from there. The guy in the 2nd and 3rd is also a mess and even sweeps the camera operator after the gun had just been loaded.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
you forgot to mention safety glasses :tung:
You're right, and about 100 other things.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 27, 2013, 11:44:20 AM
The guy in the 2nd and 3rd is also a mess and even sweeps the camera operator after the gun had just been loaded.If you had read my entire post you would have seen that I mentioned this. And as I said I didn't see a grave situation other than the one mentioned. Were there things that should be addressed? Yes, but I can guarantee none of us knew all the proper rules and safety the first time we held a gun. And from what I saw the guys shooting the video's were trying to teach the newbies.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 27, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2013, 11:46:33 AM
Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:tup:
Post by: whiteeyes on March 27, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:tup:
Post by: Becky on March 27, 2013, 12:17:35 PM
Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:yeah: I agree with you.
I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.
Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible :)
Post by: ghosthunter on March 27, 2013, 12:29:15 PM
You can not go through life fretting about what might happen.
Just live your life with out harming others if possible.
Post by: grundy53 on March 27, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
The difference is those are all privileges. Owning a firearm is a right. A right that shall not be infringed upon.
Post by: cohoho on March 27, 2013, 05:43:24 PM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective. Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger. You can never take back a bullet heading down range. I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun. But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state. Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2013, 06:40:03 PM
Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:yeah: I agree with you.
I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.
Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible :)
Good for you on taking the classes :tup: :tup:
I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes. I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want :chuckle:
I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor.
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on March 28, 2013, 04:40:05 AM
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:18:27 AM
Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:yeah: I agree with you.
I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.
Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible :)
Good for you on taking the classes :tup: :tup:
I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes. I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want :chuckle:
I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor.
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.
Yeah for sure, I'll be taking two different classes. One is at Tacoma Sportsmen's Club called "Handgun Familiarization" which looks to be 4 days long, and the other I will be taking is a women's only class held at Cabela's called "NRA Women on Target Basic Pistol" which looks to be a full single day class. The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes :-\
Post by: huntnphool on March 28, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
Put a WTB in the classifiedsWell folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.
Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.
Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.
My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. :twocents:
:yeah: I agree with you.
I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.
Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible :)
Good for you on taking the classes :tup: :tup:
I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes. I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want :chuckle:
I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor.
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.
Yeah for sure, I'll be taking two different classes. One is at Tacoma Sportsmen's Club called "Handgun Familiarization" which looks to be 4 days long, and the other I will be taking is a women's only class held at Cabela's called "NRA Women on Target Basic Pistol" which looks to be a full single day class. The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes :-\
Post by: grundy53 on March 28, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective. Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger. You can never take back a bullet heading down range. I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun. But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state. Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too.
Are you really willing to give up your 2nd amendment right? This is a serious question and I'm not trying to be snarky or stir the pot. But giving up one right will lead to the loss of others...
Post by: GrainfedMuley on March 28, 2013, 09:34:06 AM
The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes :-\
What calibers do you need? I live 10 minutes away from the Tacoma Sportsman Club
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 09:42:06 AM
What calibers do you need? I live 10 minutes away from the Tacoma Sportsman Club
Sent ya a PM, I didn't mean to sway from the topic lol :)
Post by: SGTDuffman on March 28, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
The situational stuff opened a lot of peoples eyes though. One of the situations was, "if you saw a man in an alley beating a woman and trying to take the purse what would you do?" Most of the guys trying to be heroes said, they'd pull their gun on the guy and get the purse back, to which the instructor said, "now what do you do when you find out he was getting his wife's purse back from the woman that stole it." It made people think more critically about what they'd do. Because of all the requirements for the CPL in NC, it also had huge reciprocity. It was accepted in something like 36 states last time I checked. Their standards for a license were so high, that they met or exceeded the standards of basically every other state that had a CPL, so you could carry basically anywhere the law allowed.
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:38:12 PM
Lol Thanks for those videos KChunter, Those made me laugh, It seems the guys that you would think are "hood" were actually surprisingly safety conscious given the circumstances. Far from perfect though. I've seen far worse.The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
Really. :yike:
What makes you think this? :dunno:
Are you trained? :o
I know I am. :tup:
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.
I had to help out a dude last summer that bought a shot gun and pistol in light of the recent gun buying frenzy, he's never held one before and he was packing it around.
His family asked if I would show him how to operate them safely, so I did...but a 30 minute crash course isn't going to make him safe a year from now.
I'd never seen someone so inept and scary. He reads all these books about this super human GI Joe type guy and wants to emulate that.
How about all these just turned 21 never had a real dad boys who gotta get their 1st handgun? Who's going to show them? Just do some youtube vids and you'll see.
Shooting my new Glock 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7hD8AGhpkI#ws)
language warning:
My First Gun Shot (Part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkiBc49UKjg#)
part 2
My First Gun Shot (Part 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj6L6HjrHRM#)
Post by: elk247 on March 28, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
Sounds familiar. California anyone?The problem is that almost no one gets trained.
I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad. No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future. We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership >:(
I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective. Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger. You can never take back a bullet heading down range. I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun. But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state. Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too.
Post by: cohoho on April 01, 2013, 10:36:10 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 01, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
Seriously going ask from California, just because I think too many non- trained folks are out there carrying guns. AZ has a good concealed permit, that I have. This state's process is ridiculous. I don't want to take take rights, just some sort of mechanism to train folks in proper handlings of forearms. Are you all comfortable that anyone can almost anyone can carry, just because they are able to buy a gun. If people made smart choices we wouldn't have anything to worry about. But they do not, they are human.
Quite comfortable. People are more polite when everyone is armed.
Look, again, it's a right - no training necessary. Exercising rights comes with responsibilities. If you screw up, you get penalized. Sometimes, you go to prison. Having mandatory training means lists of people who have taken the training to keep track of who's taken it and who hasn't. The government having a list of all gun owners is a much bigger problem than the 1 in 1,000,000 gun owners who screws up because of lack of training. It should be available AND optional.
Post by: cohoho on April 01, 2013, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: MasterTracker on April 01, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Atroxus on April 01, 2013, 02:31:22 PM
Seriously going ask from California, just because I think too many non- trained folks are out there carrying guns. AZ has a good concealed permit, that I have. This state's process is ridiculous. I don't want to take take rights, just some sort of mechanism to train folks in proper handlings of forearms. Are you all comfortable that anyone can almost anyone can carry, just because they are able to buy a gun. If people made smart choices we wouldn't have anything to worry about. But they do not, they are human.
I have a few questions for you.
What do you think the outcome of required training would be if it was suddenly passed nationwide?
How much do you think it would cost to implement?
Do you think the benefit(s) would be worth the cost?
Post by: Holg3107 on April 01, 2013, 02:43:22 PM
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Would you tell John Wayne he had low self esteem? Or Chuck Norris :chuckle:
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it!
Did you read what you typed? Please don't call someone stupid then type something as incoherent as this, just makes you look bad. I highlighted a few of the misspellings and didn't even want to mess with the grammar. Where on the map are Virigina and Arizonia?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 01, 2013, 02:49:25 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2013, 02:54:24 PM
You fogot Tennesse ;)QuoteWould you tell John Wayne he had low self esteem? Or Chuck Norris :chuckle:
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it!
Did you read what you typed? Please don't call someone stupid then type something as incoherent as this, just makes you look bad. I highlighted a few of the misspellings and didn't even want to mess with the grammar. Where on the map are Virigina and Arizonia?
Post by: Holg3107 on April 01, 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Post by: cohoho on April 01, 2013, 05:28:31 PM
Would you tell John Wayne he had low self esteem? Or Chuck Norris :chuckle:
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it! :IBCOOL:
Wow, and you state it so elegantly... :tup: :tup:
Post by: cohoho on April 01, 2013, 05:36:04 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 01, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Guys, I honestly have to apologize a bit on my subject heading and a bit of the content. Didn't mean to upset folks to the point of rational thinking is disturbed. I smoothed my subject title as it was a bit of a brash and to prevent further name calling and items like that. I did change it for the respect of those that do carry open in public, it is about choices. Not that I agree with it, but figure got to keep it civil, so since I initiated the subject, figured I'd clean it up too...
:tup: you know, its kind a hard to conceal my dessert eagle :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 01, 2013, 06:05:43 PM
Why do guys walk around displaying a holstered gun in the open carry, in a really public area? Today saw two open carrying. Something is just wrong with someone walking around Kent Station Square displaying open carry. I understand in the woods, doing recreational activities but sitting down in one of the most public places in Kent? I carried for over 25 years as part of my job and carry concealed every waking moment since leaving that profession, the last thing I want is someone to see what cards I have... I am all for 100% training for folks without prior experience. Guess part of the debate that I will always lose in an open forum, but most guys that carry scare the bejesus out of me... Am I alone?
I hear you. Those LE should cover it up! :chuckle:
Post by: Atroxus on April 01, 2013, 06:35:54 PM
Guys, I honestly have to apologize a bit on my subject heading and a bit of the content. Didn't mean to upset folks to the point of rational thinking is disturbed. I smoothed my subject title as it was a bit of a brash and to prevent further name calling and items like that. I did change it for the respect of those that do carry open in public, it is about choices. Not that I agree with it, but figure got to keep it civil, so since I initiated the subject, figured I'd clean it up too...
:tup: you know, its kind a hard to conceal my dessert eagle :chuckle: :chuckle:
I imagine it would be very hard to conceal. Does your dessert eagle enjoy pie, like this one, or cake? :P
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbenjaminescobar.com%2Fportfolio%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2Fdessert_eagle.jpg&hash=1c2fc02cf26b420a218e2faa7864795645927251)
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 01, 2013, 08:22:11 PM
Post by: actionshooter on April 01, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Understand your point on a right. When it was established, people learned from their fathers and elders, now days, just go buy a way more lethal gun other than a musket at your local store.That's the same point millions of anti-gun people try to make.........THIS is what scares me.
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2013, 05:23:26 AM
:yeah:Understand your point on a right. When it was established, people learned from their fathers and elders, now days, just go buy a way more lethal gun other than a musket at your local store.That's the same point millions of anti-gun people try to make.........THIS is what scares me.
Post by: BsB on April 02, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Where on the map are Virigina and Arizonia?News Wrap: Dense Fog Precipitates Deadly Car Pileup in Viriginia. http://goo.gl/mag/yzJ71E3 (http://goo.gl/mag/yzJ71E3)
Apparently PBS says Virigina exists also. :chuckle:
I also believe it is not stupid to OC. Like others have said if you don't use it, you lose it. I also OC when mowing my lawn or yard work because I can, and sometimes yotes cruise through. Not because I feel the need to show off or need the attention, its because Washington state has afforded me the right to OC, and will continue to do so.
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Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 03, 2013, 06:12:29 AM
Would you tell John Wayne he had low self esteem? Or Chuck Norris :chuckle:
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it! :IBCOOL:
WOW! Where did you and your statement come from? In my book, John Wayne can do anything he ever wanted to do. He is a true American. Chuck Norris? He is a wus. By the way, I have not played with my BB gun for 30 years.
Post by: MadHatter on April 03, 2013, 12:22:39 PM
I think that everyone that decides to carry in a purse is stupid, I think ankle carry is moronic, I think that IWB is going to get you killed... I also think that CC is just for losers that need an ego boost, or want to hide the extension to their inadequacies. It sounds just as stupid when you say the same thing between OC... This divide is what allows us to have rights take away. Someone who never OC's decides, well I don't OC, so it wont have any effect on me... Or how about the I don't have any AR15s so I really don't care if they ban them. Pretty soon, when I have lost my right to OC, my 30rd mags and all of my AR15's and they will come for your CC gun, and your hunting rifles next...
Why is it that we cannot all get on the same side here? Its not a rhetorical question... I am truly asking people here, on this thread that are calling it dumb (or stupid or ???)what the disconnect is with picking out others choices to give up because you might not agree with them, and then trying to shame others in a group such as this not to do it...
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 03, 2013, 12:41:49 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 03, 2013, 12:45:44 PM
I as someone who open carries daily, pretty much every where I go... Call it stupid, call it whatever you want... Its not your life, your gun and has really nothing to do with anyone else but me... I am not sure why there is this HUGE divide in the gun community between CC and OC. We all carry, for our own reasons... The manner in which we carry should not matter in the least.
I think that everyone that decides to carry in a purse is stupid, I think ankle carry is moronic, I think that IWB is going to get you killed... I also think that CC is just for losers that need an ego boost, or want to hide the extension to their inadequacies. It sounds just as stupid when you say the same thing between OC... This divide is what allows us to have rights take away. Someone who never OC's decides, well I don't OC, so it wont have any effect on me... Or how about the I don't have any AR15s so I really don't care if they ban them. Pretty soon, when I have lost my right to OC, my 30rd mags and all of my AR15's and they will come for your CC gun, and your hunting rifles next...
Why is it that we cannot all get on the same side here? Its not a rhetorical question... I am truly asking people here, on this thread that are calling it dumb (or stupid or ???)what the disconnect is with picking out others choices to give up because you might not agree with them, and then trying to shame others in a group such as this not to do it...
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:yeah: Well put Sir!!!
Post by: elk247 on April 03, 2013, 12:50:35 PM
Post by: smdave on April 03, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2013, 12:57:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 01:07:18 PM
If a person has the right to carry a gun, it should be legal to carry it however you choose, concealed or not.
No permit should be required for something that is a guaranteed right by the 2nd Amendment. That, to me, is the issue.
Post by: Woodchuck on April 03, 2013, 01:11:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 03, 2013, 01:17:52 PM
For those who don't like when others open carry- perhaps more people would conceal if a permit was not required to do so.
If a person has the right to carry a gun, it should be legal to carry it however you choose, concealed or not.
No permit should be required for something that is a guaranteed right by the 2nd Amendment. That, to me, is the issue.
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Post by: MadHatter on April 03, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
Very well put indeed. I've been vocal about my disproval of OC. However, the cases I always disagree with are the butt clowns that never OC on a regular basis, only when they are trying to grab a headline. That is the biggest problem I have....those that OC ONLY when it is going to get them in the spot light.
And I disagree, I think that if you are going to OC to grab headlines, at least its getting the message out there. Is it "extreme" way to get headlines? Sure... Does it work, and actually help get the message they are trying to send out? You bet... As someone who organized, an OC picnic to point out that Kitsap county was out of line with state law I did numerous media interviews we got the attention, we got the county to fall in line. I have also used the same tactic to get several cities to do the same, and help them strike their laws. Most cities didn't want the same negative press the county got, so they quietly changed their statutes to fall into line.
Did the anti-gin crowd freak out, yes. But compared to the support, their voice was not really heard. Just like any protest, the idea is to draw attention to a problem, be it open carrying or self immolation, there is a problem that needs to be rectified.
But there again, you are drawing a line in the sand. You can agree with X but not Y. So when I say, well I agree with taking hunting rifles away. I mean, you really don't need them... Ever heard of a grocery store? Why would anyone need to hunt? But I don't agree with taking people's AR's because they are for personal defense. Its exactly the same. You can agree with someone who OC's everyday, but not someone who is using it as a protest tool, or wanting to draw attention to the fact that something is legal. This is what I don't get... In this day and age, we all need to get on board to protect our rights, or we will lose them. As Aesop said in Four Oxen and a Lion United we stand, divided we fall... We keep going the way we are as a whole gun community, we will fall... And we will have no one to blame but ourselves...
I will agree with you on one point though... There are people out there that give OC a bad name, but there are also people that give hunting or driving or life in general a bad name. You deal with them one of two ways, you denounce them as stupid or you help to educate them and get them on the right path. You will never do away with people something a bad name... You deal with them and move on...
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2013, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: MadHatter on April 03, 2013, 01:39:40 PM
Not gonna arge those points Mad.....I've got no problem with a OC picnic. Sounds like a nice time. I guess the only headlines I notice that get me fired up and refer to those as butt clowns are like the ones I saw a bit back....AR's across their backs walking around some little downtown. They are not demonstrating anything other than "look at ME". Now, an armed picnic to demonstate the "look at US, we are just like you, families, jobs, and all that" I've got no problem.
***Apology retracted*** I did read your statement right... And disagree wholeheartedly... Someone should be able to carry whatever firearm the want, how they want and where they want (within the law).
Post by: cohoho on April 03, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
Post by: Holg3107 on April 03, 2013, 02:32:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Post by: Holg3107 on April 03, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Post by: MadHatter on April 03, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
How is it stupid? What if it's summertime and I'm wearing jeans and a t shirt? How do I conceal my 44 mag with the 6 inch barrel?
Its stupid because the CC crowd generally seems to be narrow minded view on how a firearm is to be carried, how you should act, where you can and can't go and who you can/should be around, what you can carry and where and how you choose to carry it... It would seem that the CC crowd is very elitist about how a firearm is carried because if the CC crowd disagrees, it must be stupid. Even though none of the fallacies presented by the CC crowd about OC have ever been proven, they are nothing more then their own anecdotal issues with no evidence to back it up at all...
Want to see an interesting social experiment... Go to a CC forum, like USACarry.com and register and ask them about OC... If you don't get banned right off the bat, you will get about 12 pages about how dumb you are, and how you will be a target, and get shot first, have no element of surprise, get shot by police, arrested, lose you firearm rights, lose you gun... The list goes on...
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
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Exactly where are you that a 6" .44 mag is your self defense weapon of choice?
Usually when I go to the bank, you know? In case it gets robbed while I'm there.
Seriously, maybe it's the only handgun I own. :dunno:
Post by: Holg3107 on April 03, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Post by: Holg3107 on April 03, 2013, 03:25:29 PM
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Usually when I go to the bank, you know? In case it gets robbed while I'm there.
Seriously, maybe it's the only handgun I own.
Sounds to me that if you feel that it is a necessity to carry all the time you would trade in your .44 for a more realistic carry weapon. All your quote tells me is that you are doing nothing but attempt to stir the pot and play devils advocate.
Post by: MadHatter on April 03, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
Exactly where are you that a 6" .44 mag is your self defense weapon of choice?
Why does someones choice of self defense handgun (or firearm in general) matter? Why is that even a question? If I wanted to carry an 8" S&W 500, why shouldn't I be able too?
Who made you the authority on what is a "realistic carry weapon" is?
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2013, 03:28:44 PM
And yes, I am somewhat playing devils advocate here. ;)
(But still, I believe in everything that I have posted)
Post by: Holg3107 on April 03, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
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Why does someones choice of self defense handgun (or firearm in general) matter? Why is that even a question? If I wanted to carry an 8" S&W 500, why shouldn't I be able too?
I don't believe that I ever said that you "shouldn't be able to" carry that weapon, but if you decide to open carry that weapon you are doing nothing but draw unnecessary attention to yourself just like the people that caused the start of this post.
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Who made you the authority on what is a "realistic carry weapon" is?
No one, all I'm saying is that you are drawing unnecessary attention to yourself open carrying the guns that have been brought up in the last few posts. Then you will come on here and act surprised that people looked at you funny, acted concerned around you, and question what you are doing.
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The advantages would be: no permit required, no excessive clothing required, no special holster required, and I could carry the same large handgun I use for hunting, since I can't afford to buy two.
And yes, I am somewhat playing devils advocate here. ;)
(But still, I believe in everything that I have posted
Bobcat, reasonable response :tup:
"No permit required"= 1 point for OC :tup:
"no excessive clothing required" = with the right handgun and holster a t-shirt and jeans are fine and can conceal well. (no points awarded)
"No special holster"= If carrying in public is important than a "special holster" should not be an issue. (no points awarded)
"Only own one handgun"= If a large caliber handgun is all you have to carry then you are aware of the unnecessary attention you are drawing towards yourself and are ok dealing with the backlash. Is it legal? hell yea it is! That doesn't make it smart IMO.
Post by: cohoho on April 03, 2013, 08:02:49 PM