Am I the only one thinking this is really not good?

[cohoho]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.

I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective.  Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger.  You can never take back a bullet heading down range.  I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun.  But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state.  Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too. 

[KFhunter]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

  I agree with you.

I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.

Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible

Good for you on taking the classes   

I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes.  I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want 

I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor. 
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.

[GrainfedMuley]

I ran into a guy at the AM/PM in Pacific pumping gas with a gun on his hip about three weeks ago. I also think it is a way of rubbing the law in the Lib tards face to get a reaction. Especially here in Puget Sound.

[Becky]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

  I agree with you.

I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.

Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible

Good for you on taking the classes   

I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes.  I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want 

I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor. 
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.

Yeah for sure, I'll be taking two different classes. One is at Tacoma Sportsmen's Club called "Handgun Familiarization" which looks to be 4 days long, and the other I will be taking is a women's only class held at Cabela's called "NRA Women on Target Basic Pistol" which looks to be a full single day class. The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes 

[huntnphool]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

  I agree with you.

I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.

Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible

Good for you on taking the classes   

I suggest that you tell the family about your gun AFTER you've taken the classes.  I've seen too many times where the males in your life will "show you how it's done", and that's not what you want 

I hope you find a good instructor that's well versed in training females, or better yet find a female instructor. 
Everything is different for a female shooter, from concealed carry to operating the firearm it is all different.

Yeah for sure, I'll be taking two different classes. One is at Tacoma Sportsmen's Club called "Handgun Familiarization" which looks to be 4 days long, and the other I will be taking is a women's only class held at Cabela's called "NRA Women on Target Basic Pistol" which looks to be a full single day class. The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes 

Put a WTB in the classifieds

[grundy53]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.

I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective.  Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger.  You can never take back a bullet heading down range.  I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun.  But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state.  Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too.

 Are you really willing to give up your 2nd amendment right? This is a serious question and I'm not trying to be snarky or stir the pot. But giving up one right will lead to the loss of others...

[GrainfedMuley]

The only issue I'm running into currently is finding/buying ammo for the classes 

What calibers do you need? I live 10 minutes away from the Tacoma Sportsman Club

[Becky]

What calibers do you need? I live 10 minutes away from the Tacoma Sportsman Club

Sent ya a PM, I didn't mean to sway from the topic lol

[SGTDuffman]

When I was at Fort Bragg I got a CPL for North Carolina. They make you take a certified instruction course. That course has its own requirements, like x amount of hours covering state law, situations, videos, a written test, and a qualification, that including firing from the hip, at least in the course I took. The shooting requirements were you had to hit 20 something out of 40 to qualify, but some of the shots would be set up like draw, fire one from the hip, present fire two more and reholster, you have 4 seconds, go. All the shooting was from 1-7 yards. After you completed your training part of the paperwork for the license was to submit your training certificate. It was kind of a pain in the ass, but I don't regret doing it. Most of the people there were other soldiers, and the vast majority of the class was just going through the motions.

The situational stuff opened a lot of peoples eyes though. One of the situations was, "if you saw a man in an alley beating a woman and trying to take the purse what would you do?" Most of the guys trying to be heroes said, they'd pull their gun on the guy and get the purse back, to which the instructor said, "now what do you do when you find out he was getting his wife's purse back from the woman that stole it." It made people think more critically about what they'd do. Because of all the requirements for the CPL in NC, it also had huge reciprocity. It was accepted in something like 36 states last time I checked. Their standards for a license were so high, that they met or exceeded the standards of basically every other state that had a CPL, so you could carry basically anywhere the law allowed.

[Smossy]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

Really.
What makes you think this? 
Are you trained? 
I know I am. 
I think most people wouldnt pack a gun unless they have had some sort of direction on the safe handleing and use of the firearm they might well need to use. Be kindof dumb not to. Just saying.

I had to help out a dude last summer that bought a shot gun and pistol in light of the recent gun buying frenzy, he's never held one before and he was packing it around. 

His family asked if I would show him how to operate them safely, so I did...but a 30 minute crash course isn't going to make him safe a year from now.

I'd never seen someone so inept and scary.   He reads all these books about this super human GI Joe type guy and wants to emulate that. 

How about all these just turned 21 never had a real dad boys who gotta get their 1st handgun?  Who's going to show them?    Just do some youtube vids and you'll see.



Shooting my new Glock 17

language warning:
My First Gun Shot (Part 1)
part 2
My First Gun Shot (Part 2)

Lol Thanks for those videos KChunter, Those made me laugh, It seems the guys that you would think are "hood" were actually surprisingly safety conscious given the circumstances. Far from perfect though. I've seen far worse.

[elk247]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.

I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.
I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

I agree 100%, as you only have to visit a local gun range and see people that really do not have a clue about gun safety, nor have the capabilities to be effective.  Add that to the use of a gun and knowledge level of the consequences in the event they pull the trigger.  You can never take back a bullet heading down range.  I am not opposed to seeing a requirement for a license to have a gun.  But it should have more to it than the lame requirements for concealed permits in this state.  Lastly, I agree with some sort of mental history back ground checks too.

Sounds familiar. California anyone?

[cohoho]

Seriously going ask from California, just because I think too many non- trained folks are out there carrying guns.  AZ has a good concealed permit, that I have.  This state's process is ridiculous.  I don't want to take take rights, just some sort of mechanism to train folks in proper handlings of forearms. Are you all comfortable that anyone can almost anyone can carry, just because they are able to buy a gun.  If people made smart choices we wouldn't have anything to worry about. But they do not, they are human.   

[pianoman9701]

Seriously going ask from California, just because I think too many non- trained folks are out there carrying guns.  AZ has a good concealed permit, that I have.  This state's process is ridiculous.  I don't want to take take rights, just some sort of mechanism to train folks in proper handlings of forearms. Are you all comfortable that anyone can almost anyone can carry, just because they are able to buy a gun.  If people made smart choices we wouldn't have anything to worry about. But they do not, they are human.

Quite comfortable. People are more polite when everyone is armed.

Look, again, it's a right - no training necessary. Exercising rights comes with responsibilities. If you screw up, you get penalized. Sometimes, you go to prison. Having mandatory training means lists of people who have taken the training to keep track of who's taken it and who hasn't. The government having a list of all gun owners is a much bigger problem than the 1 in 1,000,000 gun owners who screws up because of lack of training. It should be available AND optional.

[cohoho]

Understand your point on a right.   When it was established, people learned from their fathers and elders, now days, just go buy a way more lethal gun other than a musket at your local store.  Hopefully right to carry people will make the correct choices.  Myself, I guess I will always have serious concerns with folks carrying, but heck can't trust people to drive sober on Friday and Saturday nights, so why not trust them with a deadly weapon in their hands.

[MasterTracker]

Would you tell John Wayne he had low self esteem? Or Chuck Norris 
You sound stupid It's are right open or not so go play with your BB Gun's.
Your the freaking kind voteing for oboma and behind are back's taking are right's away. Your crying about open cary well in TENNESSE, ARIZONIA, GEORGIA, VIRIGINA open carry in allowed in bars so suck it!