Post by: black hog on April 08, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
Post by: dscubame on April 08, 2013, 06:56:07 PM
People will inevitably mention the NE corner and I will say I live in the NE yes there are elk but it takes years and years to have a chance and find a enjoyable area. Not knowing the area and not being able to devote years into putting in the time I can almost guarantee you will be disappointed in the NE experience.
I share willingly because your from Shelton. PM me if you think of it what you end up doing and what you thought of your trip. Good luck.
Post by: rtspring on April 08, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2013, 07:04:10 PM
You might also apply for permits in the regular bull category. Any of them will be good hunts. You get five days to hunt just before the general modern firearm season opens for spikes. You get four choices, I'd apply for Little Naches, Manastash, Bumping, and Nile.
Post by: dscubame on April 08, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
Blues!!! Hands down!!
Yep. and put in for the quality elk draws if the multi season allows it.
Post by: black hog on April 08, 2013, 07:14:08 PM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on April 08, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
Post by: sled on April 08, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 08, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 09, 2013, 06:12:14 AM
Post by: coachcw on April 09, 2013, 06:20:10 AM
Post by: stickbuck on April 09, 2013, 06:40:58 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 09, 2013, 06:49:19 AM
Blues!!! Hands down!!You hush up :bdid:
Post by: DoubleJ on April 09, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
I share willingly because your from Shelton. PM me if you think of it what you end up doing and what you thought of your trip. Good luck.
Hey, throw some love at the other Shelton guys too :chuckle:
Post by: stickflngr on April 09, 2013, 08:17:30 AM
Lick creek-175
Wenaha east-169
and some guys last year had pretty good luck in the Dayton-162 unit.
Ive been hunting Lick Creek for 4 years now and Ive been in bulls every year but its a spike/cow unit for archery unless you pull the bull tag.....
IF you get the tag Id be more than happy to show you around Lick creek or the Wenaha. Good luck
Post by: JamesK. on April 09, 2013, 09:39:33 AM
Post by: emac on April 09, 2013, 10:59:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 11:15:14 AM
Which weapon choice are you planning on applying for?
Do you have the time to go over and scout areas if you draw? It's 6 hours drive time to the Blues.
Post by: black hog on April 09, 2013, 05:58:08 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 09, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: carver52 on April 09, 2013, 06:53:29 PM
Post by: 724wd on April 09, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
Post by: black hog on April 09, 2013, 07:49:15 PM
Don't count on drawing, I have 18 points this year and I thought I would draw for the past 8 years, no poacher points- just lots of waiting. One important question is, what quality of bull are you really looking for? Have you killed big bulls in the past or looking for your first? If you will be happy with a 300+ bull, I'd say go for one of the 300 units, like Lt Naches. You would have a lot of help from RTSPRING if you draw that tag, the blues are very difficult to draw and it's not the only area with big bulls. There are quite a few good bull tags out there, the exceptional one's are in the rut. If you have never been to the blue's, you will find it's like nothing else in our state. The best thing about having that multi elk tag is if you don't draw, you get to hunt the westside for a big bull and your not stuck hunting spikes on the east.after 16 years i am not counting on drawing but with the multi season permit im hoping i have killed 7 branched bulls in wasgington the biggest being a small 6pt dont know if i could pass up a 300 class bull but like to think i could hold for a 350 class bull so i am looking for my first big washington bull
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 09, 2013, 07:55:04 PM
Like said there is some great hunts in the blues. Some of the central units like cow/rim/bethel/goose etc produce some great bulls and a guy can have a legit shot a trophy bull. I think most of the east side units a guy could down a nice bull if you can pass some of the smaller ones and spend enough time at it. I have seen some beautiful bulls come out of the Dayton unit and think that would be a fine choice.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 09, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
If I had the money and in your shoe's, I would put in for the blues as my first choice and I would call mntcook for a guieded hunt. My second choice would be the Lt Naches and I would get a hold of RTsping. Another option out of many, you could try to get the rut rifle hunt in the naches as your first choice and the Oct. 1st rifle hunt as your second, those two would be incredible hunts. Congrats on killing bulls in the past and be sure to let us know if you draw something, lot of good guys on here to help.Don't count on drawing, I have 18 points this year and I thought I would draw for the past 8 years, no poacher points- just lots of waiting. One important question is, what quality of bull are you really looking for? Have you killed big bulls in the past or looking for your first? If you will be happy with a 300+ bull, I'd say go for one of the 300 units, like Lt Naches. You would have a lot of help from RTSPRING if you draw that tag, the blues are very difficult to draw and it's not the only area with big bulls. There are quite a few good bull tags out there, the exceptional one's are in the rut. If you have never been to the blue's, you will find it's like nothing else in our state. The best thing about having that multi elk tag is if you don't draw, you get to hunt the westside for a big bull and your not stuck hunting spikes on the east.after 16 years i am not counting on drawing but with the multi season permit im hoping i have killed 7 branched bulls in wasgington the biggest being a small 6pt dont know if i could pass up a 300 class bull but like to think i could hold for a 350 class bull so i am looking for my first big washington bull
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Post by: black hog on April 09, 2013, 08:14:18 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 10, 2013, 01:04:53 PM
Post by: colockumelk on April 10, 2013, 07:53:54 PM
Next thing to do is buy elk nuts calling CDs and listen to them over and over and over and practise practise practise. You will pretty much gain 10yrs of experience in one summer. :twocents:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 12, 2013, 06:55:23 AM
If you have a muzzle loader and have hunted with a muzzle loader before (deer or elk). I would apply for a muzzy tag. With 16 points drawing a muzzy tag is almost a slam dunk. In WA the hardest part of killing a trophy bull is drawing the tag. Even if you have never hunted muzzle loader before its not a hard transition from rifle to muzzle loader. Just make sure you practise a lot. You don't even have to put much thought into it. There's plenty of people like sabotloader who can tell you which bullets and powder combo will work well and which gun to get.
Next thing to do is buy elk nuts calling CDs and listen to them over and over and over and practise practise practise. You will pretty much gain 10yrs of experience in one summer. :twocents:
Drawing a good muzzy tag is FAAAAAAAAR from a slam dunk.
Post by: black hog on April 12, 2013, 03:15:36 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 12, 2013, 03:19:56 PM
Tell me about it, I've been trying for a east side muzzy tag since I had 8 points and now I'm up to 18 this year.If you have a muzzle loader and have hunted with a muzzle loader before (deer or elk). I would apply for a muzzy tag. With 16 points drawing a muzzy tag is almost a slam dunk. In WA the hardest part of killing a trophy bull is drawing the tag. Even if you have never hunted muzzle loader before its not a hard transition from rifle to muzzle loader. Just make sure you practise a lot. You don't even have to put much thought into it. There's plenty of people like sabotloader who can tell you which bullets and powder combo will work well and which gun to get.
Next thing to do is buy elk nuts calling CDs and listen to them over and over and over and practise practise practise. You will pretty much gain 10yrs of experience in one summer. :twocents:
Drawing a good muzzy tag is FAAAAAAAAR from a slam dunk.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 12, 2013, 03:22:12 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 12, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
Not to burst anyone's bubble but the number of tags in the blues this year is down quite a bit.The wolves will start to make a big impact very soon in the blues, I would bet your gonna see half the tags for the blues in a short few years. I hope to draw within the next couple years or I might just head somewhere else.
Post by: Timberstalker on April 12, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
If you have a muzzle loader and have hunted with a muzzle loader before (deer or elk). I would apply for a muzzy tag. With 16 points drawing a muzzy tag is almost a slam dunk. In WA the hardest part of killing a trophy bull is drawing the tag. Even if you have never hunted muzzle loader before its not a hard transition from rifle to muzzle loader. Just make sure you practise a lot. You don't even have to put much thought into it. There's plenty of people like sabotloader who can tell you which bullets and powder combo will work well and which gun to get.
Next thing to do is buy elk nuts calling CDs and listen to them over and over and over and practise practise practise. You will pretty much gain 10yrs of experience in one summer. :twocents:
Drawing a good muzzy tag is FAAAAAAAAR from a slam dunk.
You can say that again. I started thinking I was going to draw a muzzy blues tag no problem at 12 pts. That was 4 years ago.
Post by: sled on April 12, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
I would agree after last year. I hunt 340 every year. Last year I am so glad I didn't draw a muzzy tag because I during see a single elk the whole season. Every other year I see nice bulls but not last.If you have a muzzle loader and have hunted with a muzzle loader before (deer or elk). I would apply for a muzzy tag. With 16 points drawing a muzzy tag is almost a slam dunk. In WA the hardest part of killing a trophy bull is drawing the tag. Even if you have never hunted muzzle loader before its not a hard transition from rifle to muzzle loader. Just make sure you practise a lot. You don't even have to put much thought into it. There's plenty of people like sabotloader who can tell you which bullets and powder combo will work well and which gun to get.
Next thing to do is buy elk nuts calling CDs and listen to them over and over and over and practise practise practise. You will pretty much gain 10yrs of experience in one summer. :twocents:
Drawing a good muzzy tag is FAAAAAAAAR from a slam dunk.
Post by: jake on April 14, 2013, 11:02:07 PM
1. put gas in truck
2. get map
3. scout, do research.
Post by: billdo5 on April 18, 2013, 01:32:29 PM
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 10:47:12 AM
thank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 10:57:05 AM
Post by: JLS on April 19, 2013, 10:59:09 AM
thank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
And that is some of the flatter country in the Blues. :o
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 11:19:14 AM
:tup: ahhh a man thats been there!! ;) That's not that flat when your coming out of it! :chuckle:thank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
And that is some of the flatter country in the Blues. :o
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 19, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 19, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
Post by: black hog on April 19, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
this is why i asked i have hunted elk on the west side i have very little time before permits are due i have had pretty good luck with elk not because i have not done my homework so i planned on going to the area before i turn in for any elk area just needed a place to start looking thanks for your input and if i draw any tag i will spend alot of time therethank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
Post by: Woodchuck on April 19, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
Post by: JODakota on April 19, 2013, 02:35:23 PM
If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
I would listen two woodchuck, he's a crazy man, recently recently released from a mental institution for thinking that there is still elk in the blues..let me repeat, there at NO ELK IN THE BLUES
Post by: Smossy on April 19, 2013, 02:36:23 PM
Post by: gaddy on April 19, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 19, 2013, 02:42:02 PM
I was talking about jumping off a bar stool. Thanks for ruining the surprise. :chuckle:If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
I would listen two woodchuck, he's a crazy man, recently recently released from a mental institution for thinking that there is still elk in the blues..let me repeat, there at NO ELK IN THE BLUES
Post by: iRem on April 19, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
Didnt really know eastern washington had high country like that, Its gorgeous. I imagine flatland desert when I think of easter WA lol.You need to go over to the east side and dry out a little and explore what there is to offer beyond I-90! LOL
Post by: 724wd on April 19, 2013, 03:03:59 PM
Didnt really know eastern washington had high country like that, Its gorgeous. I imagine flatland desert when I think of easter WA lol.You need to go over to the east side and dry out a little and explore what there is to offer beyond I-90! LOL
yeah smossy, there's some radical steep and deep country in the SE corner :yike: :tup:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on April 19, 2013, 03:27:53 PM
this is why i asked i have hunted elk on the west side i have very little time before permits are due i have had pretty good luck with elk not because i have not done my homework so i planned on going to the area before i turn in for any elk area just needed a place to start looking thanks for your input and if i draw any tag i will spend alot of time therethank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
Might not be able to get to photographed areas before app deadline...
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
I promise you you wont make it to my spot before june 15 atleast in a truckthis is why i asked i have hunted elk on the west side i have very little time before permits are due i have had pretty good luck with elk not because i have not done my homework so i planned on going to the area before i turn in for any elk area just needed a place to start looking thanks for your input and if i draw any tag i will spend alot of time therethank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
Might not be able to get to photographed areas before app deadline...
Post by: toyman2 on April 19, 2013, 08:38:58 PM
I have helped a few others from time to time. Do not, DO NOT underestimate the terrain or the weather. Every person I have helped have done this. I have watched guys go home empty handed.
Post by: 400out on April 19, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
Wenaha units, Dayton would be my choices.:tup:
I have helped a few others from time to time. Do not, DO NOT underestimate the terrain or the weather. Every person I have helped have done this. I have watched guys go home empty handed.
Post by: hambone on April 25, 2013, 02:28:09 PM
Post by: bigbullshedhunter on April 28, 2013, 04:39:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2013, 04:52:35 PM
thank you guys the blues is that the name of the unit i would turn in for? don't want to get excited but this is the first time i have drawn anything and i know even with all the points i have does not mean i will draw i just don't want to waste themIf your asking this question then you have not done enough homework!!!! Do your homework and you will answer all the questions your asking us! :twocents:
The blues is a HARD!!!! hunt you have been warned! Many people that have never been there apply and get drawn and upon show up are mentally beat and never fill the tag!! Good luck and I would look a little closer to home first :twocents:
This is all part of doing ones' homework.
Post by: 20 Minutes on April 28, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
I applied for the Modern Firearm Dayton permit, and the September rut hunt in Peaches Ridge for Quality Bull. I got 16 points. I regret applying for both permits, after reading the number of people planning on applying for the same hunts. If I could change it; I would apply for Naches and something else. Lot's of people apply for those, but at least they offer way more permits.It is not too late to change, all you have to do is call wdfw tomorrow and tell them what you want to switch to or just tell them to reset your picks and they will do it.
Post by: bobcat on April 28, 2013, 07:39:28 PM
I called and changed my deer hunt choices on the quality permit application last Friday. Only took about 5 minutes. Just have your WILD ID number ready.
The phone number to call is 360-902-2515.
Post by: 20 Minutes on April 28, 2013, 07:51:40 PM
:yeah:
I called and changed my deer hunt choices on the quality permit application last Friday. Only took about 5 minutes. Just have your WILD ID number ready.
The phone number to call is 360-902-2515.
Great news! I applied for Entiat and Desert for Quality Deer. I think I will change them too. Any recomendations for Quality Deer and Elk hunts, which are a little more under the radar. I could careless about shooting the biggest in the woods. I just want a good quality animal.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
Post by: Shooter on April 28, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
Ah timing, if not everything almost...
Woodchuck invited me over to Dayton too on my first day on the forum, serial inviter!
Good thing is I already love this forum and I'm good at bar stools, you guy rock!
I suck at finding elk but I pack well, we hunt in notellum!
Post by: 20 Minutes on April 28, 2013, 08:33:17 PM
If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
Ah timing, if not everything almost...
Woodchuck invited me over to Dayton too on my first day on the forum, serial inviter!
Good thing is I already love this forum and I'm good at bar stools, you guy rock!
I suck at finding elk but I pack well, we hunt in notellum!
Based off what I have read thus far on this site. Pretty much no GMU is a secret. Not even the notellum GMU.
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2013, 08:37:52 PM
Its just like Woodchuck to invite the new guys to the elk units that don't have any elk in them. Just wolves. Sorry. He's our resident prankster.If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
Ah timing, if not everything almost...
Woodchuck invited me over to Dayton too on my first day on the forum, serial inviter!
Good thing is I already love this forum and I'm good at bar stools, you guy rock!
I suck at finding elk but I pack well, we hunt in notellum!
Post by: bucklucky on April 28, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Post by: Shooter on April 28, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
Its just like Woodchuck to invite the new guys to the elk units that don't have any elk in them. Just wolves. Sorry. He's our resident prankster.
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Should have known it, sounded to good to be true...
Hunt Little Naches for Elk and hopefully Dayton for Special Deer, or around SWestern Washington for deer when I don't get drawn.
From what I see already it would be a honor to hunt with any of ya!
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2013, 09:18:19 PM
I didnt kow there are elk in the blues , Is it a good area to put in? I might have to put in there , I got 2 quality points I should have a good chance at drawing , sounds like its flat and easy country to get around in and 370 bulls behind every tree. ........
They're in front of the trees. The elk use the trees to hold themselves in place so they don't roll down the hills in their sleep.
:tup:
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
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Its just like Woodchuck to invite the new guys to the elk units that don't have any elk in them. Just wolves. Sorry. He's our resident prankster.
Should have known it, sounded to good to be true...
Hunt Little Naches for Elk and hopefully Dayton for Special Deer, or around SWestern Washington for deer when I don't get drawn.
From what I see already it would be a honor to hunt with any of ya!
Welcome to the site. I'd like to see the result of the Dayton deer hunt if you do draw.
Post by: bucklucky on April 28, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
I didnt kow there are elk in the blues , Is it a good area to put in? I might have to put in there , I got 2 quality points I should have a good chance at drawing , sounds like its flat and easy country to get around in and 370 bulls behind every tree. ........
They're in front of the trees. The elk use the trees to hold themselves in place so they don't roll down the hills in their sleep.
:tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2013, 09:34:48 PM
I didnt kow there are elk in the blues , Is it a good area to put in? I might have to put in there , I got 2 quality points I should have a good chance at drawing , sounds like its flat and easy country to get around in and 370 bulls behind every tree. ........
They're in front of the trees. The elk use the trees to hold themselves in place so they don't roll down the hills in their sleep.
:tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
I figured you would have known that, Chuck.
Post by: bow4elk on April 28, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
I didnt kow there are elk in the blues , Is it a good area to put in? I might have to put in there , I got 2 quality points I should have a good chance at drawing , sounds like its flat and easy country to get around in and 370 bulls behind every tree. ........
They're in front of the trees. The elk use the trees to hold themselves in place so they don't roll down the hills in their sleep.
:tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
I figured you would have known that, Chuck.
I measured a blues bull killed by a local taxidermist that green scored over 360-something...can't remember his name....lucky*censored* or something like that (?) :hello:
Post by: bucklucky on April 28, 2013, 11:55:50 PM
I didnt kow there are elk in the blues , Is it a good area to put in? I might have to put in there , I got 2 quality points I should have a good chance at drawing , sounds like its flat and easy country to get around in and 370 bulls behind every tree. ........
They're in front of the trees. The elk use the trees to hold themselves in place so they don't roll down the hills in their sleep.
:tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
I figured you would have known that, Chuck.
I measured a blues bull killed by a local taxidermist that green scored over 360-something...can't remember his name....lucky*censored* or something like that (?) :hello:
You must have mistaken me for someone else :chuckle: Where is the Blues anyway , my wife has 15 or 16 points . We have been hunting a hell hole wiith 2500- 3000 foot canyons hunting spikes hoping to draw a big bull tag . Those Blue mountains sound like its easy hunting . :chuckle:
Post by: billdo5 on April 29, 2013, 06:52:38 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 29, 2013, 07:02:55 AM
Stories of the barstools I have fallen off of/jumped off of are legendary around here. :chuckle:If you pull Dayton drop me a line ;) I may have a couple jumping off points for ya.
Ah timing, if not everything almost...
Woodchuck invited me over to Dayton too on my first day on the forum, serial inviter!
Good thing is I already love this forum and I'm good at bar stools, you guy rock!
I suck at finding elk but I pack well, we hunt in notellum!
Post by: Woodchuck on April 29, 2013, 07:03:30 AM
One of my buddies took a thousand yard shot in the blues... got a 350 bullI can hardly wait for this one... :tup:
Was the owner mad?
Post by: billdo5 on April 29, 2013, 07:14:35 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 29, 2013, 07:25:10 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on April 29, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
One of my buddies took a thousand yard shot in the blues... got a 350 bull
Right on that's some sweet shootin! Any pics?
Post by: billdo5 on April 29, 2013, 07:41:42 AM
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