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Title: Sea Lions
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 21, 2013, 09:47:34 AM
Down by our boat in Westport there were 80 sea lions on the dock. They are breaking off the electrical power boxes and water  for the boats. Yesterday we had a diver come to the boat and he would;nt get into the water to cut a line out of the wheel because they are becoming so aggressive. The port manager was down and said they already got a dog off the dock and have taken fish off of boats but he says they can't do anything. There were twenty laying beside our boat and what a mess they make we have to get on the boat from the front because they won't move. It's even worse in Astoria and it won't be long before one grabs a child if your mooring your boat to fish salmon in Westport check out the end of float 11.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Special T on May 21, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
Sea Wolves!
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: huntnphool on May 21, 2013, 10:00:25 AM
But aren't they just so cute. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Becky on May 21, 2013, 10:28:55 AM
Sea lions in Westport? What sea lions?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Houndhunter on May 21, 2013, 10:42:23 AM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: snowpack on May 21, 2013, 11:46:04 AM
If they climb in your boat, they can capsize it.  Those things can weigh a lot.  800 pounds comes to mind.  When they would get too bad it would stink everything up...so the dock needed to be washed off.  Fire hose or pressure washer worked good.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Kola16 on May 21, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
They have grabbed multiple dogs, even Labs  :( They must go.....
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Becky on May 21, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
If they climb in your boat, they can capsize it.  Those things can weigh a lot.  800 pounds comes to mind.  When they would get too bad it would stink everything up...so the dock needed to be washed off.  Fire hose or pressure washer worked good.

The ones in my picture were sprayed off with a hose RIGHT before I started snapping the pics, you can see in the last picture they're just jumping back on. It lasted all of two seconds, the guys were trying to clean out and get into their boat. They are crazy out there, so many, so loud, so stinky lol.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: 2labs on May 21, 2013, 12:37:46 PM
Neah bay is getting bad also. Just got back from La Push, not so bad ther.People need to stop dumping carcasses in the marina. Signs posted at La Push asking you not to.Dump them on your way out the next day or untie And dump them outside the marina. Lazy people.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 21, 2013, 01:13:18 PM
The one picture is our boat the Allison marie. Funny thing was a guy was sleeping in a sleeping bag about 15 feet from those he must have been on something.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Becky on May 21, 2013, 01:19:58 PM
The one picture is our boat the Allison marie. Funny thing was a guy was sleeping in a sleeping bag about 15 feet from those he must have been on something.

Lol that's kinda funny I snapped your boat ^_^.

Yea we were out there the last razor clam weekend and was trying out some crabbing from the docks.. Driving around through town we definitely spotted more than a few people who looked like they were on something >__<
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Smossy on May 21, 2013, 02:08:10 PM
:chuckle: I kept waiting for one of them slions to grab my crab bait so I could have the ride of my life. Wee.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: washelkhunter on May 21, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Now that is a target rich environment.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: CoyoteChuck52 on May 21, 2013, 02:13:46 PM
Now that is a target rich environment.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Special T on May 21, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
I would think one of those full auto air soft guns that shoot those plasic biodegradeable pellets would work AWSOME!  :mgun:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: gaddy on May 21, 2013, 03:07:00 PM
sounds to me like they are a nuisance, health hazard & need dealt with.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Smossy on May 21, 2013, 03:10:35 PM
sounds to me like they are a nuisance, health hazard & need dealt with.
Wonder how they would taste.. Once you get past all the fat n what not.. :dunno: Don't the natives eat those things?
Where they at when you actually need them?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: 2labs on May 21, 2013, 03:35:15 PM
They are protected almost like wolves! I must be an old guy now? Nobody remembers Herchsel at the locks? This see lion  devastated  a fisheries. Wdfw. Tried everything from orca sounds to rubber bullets. They finally. Trapped this very smart seal and moved him to California . After release he came close to beating the release. Truck back to the locks.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Smossy on May 21, 2013, 03:41:56 PM
They are protected almost like wolves! I must be an old guy now? Nobody remembers Herchsel at the locks? This see lion  devastated  a fisheries. Wdfw. Tried everything from orca sounds to rubber bullets. They finally. Trapped this very smart seal and moved him to California . After release he came close to beating the release. Truck back to the locks.


Dang. No never heard about that.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on May 21, 2013, 03:43:15 PM
sounds to me like they are a nuisance, health hazard & need dealt with.
Wonder how they would taste.. Once you get past all the fat n what not.. :dunno: Don't the natives eat those things?
Where they at when you actually need them?  :chuckle:

You wont see the Sea Lions on float 17! ;) Thats the tribal dock!
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: gaddy on May 21, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
I remember Herschel. & I remember going through those locks with fish boiling the water while you sat in your boat thinking a hand net ( if legal ) would fill the boat before the gates opened. with all the concerns about fish populations you would think these predators would be dealt with.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: smdave on May 21, 2013, 03:46:54 PM
Herschel was the first California sea lion spotted preying on steel head at the Ballard Locks in the late 1970s. Herschel has since been accompanied and/or replaced by numerous other California sea lions that frequent the Locks because they can catch fish by corralling them against the cement walls.

From this article.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940817&slug=1925665 (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940817&slug=1925665)
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Becky on May 22, 2013, 10:44:02 AM
Herschel was the first California sea lion spotted preying on steel head at the Ballard Locks in the late 1970s. Herschel has since been accompanied and/or replaced by numerous other California sea lions that frequent the Locks because they can catch fish by corralling them against the cement walls.

From this article.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940817&slug=1925665 (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940817&slug=1925665)

Lazy lions
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 22, 2013, 10:54:14 AM
I can't stand those stupid things.

They know they're protected too, that's why they sit there on log booms and holler as you leave the harbor.

So sad about them snatching dogs.  I think a lil' shot of pepper spray would work wonders if they're blocking the docks.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Becky on May 22, 2013, 11:03:16 AM
I know it's more of an expense, but couldn't some strong sharp wire be ran across the doc fronts? Or maybe not because it will affect the boats.. -pondering- .. hmm stupid smelly things. I have never seen them before like that out there until this year.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:04:33 AM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Us eastsiders dont seem to have the kind of Issues you guys do   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: huntnphool on May 30, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Us eastsiders dont seem to have the kind of Issues you guys do   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Dont get it twisted, your "eastside" would end up in the same federal law suit as ours if you harmed them.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:27:05 AM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Us eastsiders dont seem to have the kind of Issues you guys do   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Dont get it twisted, your "eastside" would end up in the same federal law suit as ours if you harmed them.
I know that, these kinds of problems all seem foreign to me. I dont leave this side of the state much.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: WSU on May 30, 2013, 09:31:27 AM
There are many legal deterrent methods.  NOAA has them on their website.  Paintball guns, seal bombs, etc. can be used in the right situation.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: sirmissalot on May 30, 2013, 09:33:42 AM
They had rubber buckshot at cabelas the other day.

12 gauge

FYI
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: huntnphool on May 30, 2013, 09:42:06 AM
There are many legal deterrent methods. seal bombs
Now that sounds like fun but may leave a bit of a mess. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 30, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
The diver dove yesterday to check out the zincs and wheel and when he came up to tell us how things looked a big sea lion came right up beside him not three feet away he could have put his arm around it and it just floated there looking at him. I would to have loved to had my camera it did;nt do anything but the diver had that Oh My God look on his face. They make so much noise you can hear them from clear across the marina.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: groundhog on May 30, 2013, 10:27:31 AM
The Marine Mammals Act has had an extremely negative effect on our fish populations.  It is crazy to think that major fish predators like seals and sea lions are not managed at all. As their populations have increased our fish populations have decreased.

Everyone should dump their filleted  fish before coming into the marina. If you clean the blood out of your boat with a sponge make sure you do not accidentally drop it over the side as you are pullin in to the marina. I hear that if a predator eats a bloody sponge it well swell up in their digestive tract and kill them. We wouldn't want that. All kidding aside I seriously do not think that would be cool.

 I get a little warm fuzzy every time one takes a Salmon or Halibut off of my line. Speaking of warm fuzzies, I have seal skin hats and gloves that were made by a friend of mine that is a Yupik Eskimo. They keep me warm in -30 degree weather!! The Yupik natives still kill them and eat them in Alaska! Dried fish dipped in Seal oil is a main dish in the villages. It  must have something to do with their native rights as the Marine Mammals Act is a Federal Law.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: sirmissalot on May 30, 2013, 10:38:15 AM

 I get a little warm fuzzy every time one takes a Salmon or Halibut off of my line. Speaking of warm fuzzies, I have seal skin hats and gloves that were made by a friend of mine that is a Yupik Eskimo. They keep me warm in -30 degree weather!! The Yupik natives still kill them and eat them in Alaska! Dried fish dipped in Seal oil is a main dish in the villages. It  must have something to do with their native rights as the Marine Mammals Act is a Federal Law.

I was just watching an episode of alaska state troopers last night and admiring the officers seal skin hat. I have always wanted one, and was going to PM a few members on here to see if they have any idea on where I could get one. They are awesome.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
Make your own from a seal silly.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: scottcrb on May 30, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
I remember Herschel too. I like the idea of razor wire along the dock edges.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: groundhog on May 30, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Sirmissalot,
My favorite hat is a dark Harbor Seal/ Sea Otter combination. Sea Otter on the inside and Seal on the outside. It keeps me toasty warm in any weather! It is water proof in a cold rain as well. They are not cheap though. You can expect to pay $275 or $300 bucks for a good one. I know that sounds crazy expensive but it is the best cold weather garment I own and I wouldn't be in cold weather without one. The gloves are awesome also! If you decide you want one I can put you in touch with one of the very best Yupik  Eskimo hat makers.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: PlateauNDN on May 30, 2013, 11:24:28 AM
As soon as their fed protection is lifted ill be gathering pelts left and right but again , not until their protection is lifted. :tup:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Curly on May 30, 2013, 11:27:17 AM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Us eastsiders dont seem to have the kind of Issues you guys do   :chuckle: :chuckle:

You have land wolves, the coast has wolves of the sea.  (Both need a good population thinning done).

Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: deaner on June 01, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
sounds to me like they are a nuisance, health hazard & need dealt with.
Wonder how they would taste.. Once you get past all the fat n what not.. :dunno: Don't the natives eat those things?
Where they at when you actually need them?  :chuckle:

the natives in alaska do!  i was up on the yukon river in western alaska and saw a bunch of them throwing homemade spears at seals ( i know seals are diff than sea lions but trust me they eat both) and i asked them about it and they love them.  when there are seals in the river its like a freakin holiday for them, they all get out on their boats with their spears and go to town.  was pretty interesting to watch.  also some natives at platinum at the mouth of the kuskokwin shot a seal about 50 yards from our boat.  they eat EVERYTHING they can kill.  on another note, the west seattle bouys used to have wire bridles on them for barge storage, and they would hang in the water.  i used to have to climb on the buoys and pull those heavy *censored*s up... and one time i did it i forgot to put on my rain gear and i got a stripe of sea lion crap all the way from my right ankle to my left hip.  i hate those things!
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: deaner on June 01, 2013, 09:25:18 PM

 I get a little warm fuzzy every time one takes a Salmon or Halibut off of my line. Speaking of warm fuzzies, I have seal skin hats and gloves that were made by a friend of mine that is a Yupik Eskimo. They keep me warm in -30 degree weather!! The Yupik natives still kill them and eat them in Alaska! Dried fish dipped in Seal oil is a main dish in the villages. It  must have something to do with their native rights as the Marine Mammals Act is a Federal Law.

I was just watching an episode of alaska state troopers last night and admiring the officers seal skin hat. I have always wanted one, and was going to PM a few members on here to see if they have any idea on where I could get one. They are awesome.
      i can snag you one this summer while im up in western alaska, but it wouldnt be cheap im sure
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: sirmissalot on June 03, 2013, 01:13:55 PM
I would absolutely be interested. $300 seems a little steep but I suppose for a seal and otter skin hand made hat it would be worth it. I have always been interested in a seal skin hat, even asked a fur shop in Montana last year if he knew of a way to get me one. I've looked online as well and just couldn't seem to find what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Smossy on June 03, 2013, 01:30:49 PM
They truly are cool looking.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alaskafurexchange.com%2Fimages%2Finventory%2Fhatstrapper%2Fsealskinhat.jpg&hash=439f9bc2c3b8466b9431cb300bf00a1b6ea4c9cd)
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: deaner on June 03, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
I would absolutely be interested. $300 seems a little steep but I suppose for a seal and otter skin hand made hat it would be worth it. I have always been interested in a seal skin hat, even asked a fur shop in Montana last year if he knew of a way to get me one. I've looked online as well and just couldn't seem to find what I was looking for.
       if i get a chance ill snap some pics of some with prices and contact you from alaska this summer, and if theres one you want ill make it happen
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: jackmaster on June 03, 2013, 02:24:21 PM
They are protected almost like wolves! I must be an old guy now? Nobody remembers Herchsel at the locks? This see lion  devastated  a fisheries. Wdfw. Tried everything from orca sounds to rubber bullets. They finally. Trapped this very smart seal and moved him to California . After release he came close to beating the release. Truck back to the locks.

i remember that i think it was 90 or 91 somewhere in there, maybe the natives should start huntn the dang things, they probably would make some great cold weather gear out of them or some boots or somethn  :chuckle:

Dang. No never heard about that.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: sirmissalot on June 03, 2013, 02:58:28 PM
I would absolutely be interested. $300 seems a little steep but I suppose for a seal and otter skin hand made hat it would be worth it. I have always been interested in a seal skin hat, even asked a fur shop in Montana last year if he knew of a way to get me one. I've looked online as well and just couldn't seem to find what I was looking for.
       if i get a chance ill snap some pics of some with prices and contact you from alaska this summer, and if theres one you want ill make it happen

That would be awesome I appreciate it
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: groundhog on June 03, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
Sirmissalot,
I agree 300 bucks seems steep but they are awesome and as far as I know that is the going price. At least 275-300 is the price in my area. I like the darker seal because it is camo but the light colored seal like Smossy posted would be good snow camo. If you decide to buy one you will not be disappointed.

Deaner, where are you workin in western Alaska and what will you be doing? Just curious because I work up there also.
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Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: deaner on June 03, 2013, 03:25:31 PM
Sirmissalot,
I agree 300 bucks seems steep but they are awesome and as far as I know that is the going price. At least 275-300 is the price in my area. I like the darker seal because it is camo but the light colored seal like Smossy posted would be good snow camo. If you decide to buy one you will not be disappointed.

Deaner, where are you workin in western Alaska and what will you be doing? Just curious because I work up there also.
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oh i work on tugboats.  i tend to go out west on long trips in the summer, work all summer long so that when hunting season rolls around i get a big chunk of time off.  ill probably be leaving later this month.  we hit all kinds of western alaska ports.  ive been as far north as kotzebue and as far west as attu.  pretty much all over alaska
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: lucky33 on June 06, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
Pepper spray their ass, I wouldn't think twice about doing that if they were beoming an issue
Us eastsiders dont seem to have the kind of Issues you guys do   :chuckle: :chuckle:

You have land wolves, the coast has wolves of the sea.  (Both need a good population thinning done).
:tup:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Goshawk on June 18, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
One Word:

TASER!!!
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 18, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Time to euthanize a few of them.  Some specialty cured herring may work.
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Kola16 on June 18, 2013, 09:50:06 PM
Time to euthanize a few of them.  Some specialty cured herring may work.
Hey, that is a good idea! WD-40 or antifreeze on some herring :devil:
Title: Re: Sea Lions
Post by: Goshawk on June 18, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
Not Funny!

You'd be better off getting caught with a ten year old girl than kill a sealion :bdid:
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