Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 02:49:04 PM
Post by: JLS on January 21, 2014, 02:51:24 PM
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 02:55:45 PM
You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
Land owner tags are not what they seem. For one, you can only hunt deeded land owned by the landowner. Two, your odds of getting more than one LO tag is slim.You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
Your best bet is to go the combo route and just hunt his land if you are looking for more than one tag. :twocents:
Post by: JLS on January 21, 2014, 03:04:46 PM
You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
If you want accumulate bonus points for an elk permit, this is your only option.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 03:06:28 PM
Land owner tags are not what they seem. For one, you can only hunt deeded land owned by the landowner. Two, your odds of getting more than one LO tag is slim.You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
Your best bet is to go the combo route and just hunt his land if you are looking for more than one tag. :twocents:
Ok. The plan this year is to only hunt deer and just to accumulate another bonus point for elk. We have one right now and we got that by putting in for the toughest tag to draw because we knew we didn't want to hunt that year.
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
Also, keep in mind that if you draw a LE permit, you are then limited to only hunting the area you drew the permit for.You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
If you want accumulate bonus points for an elk permit, this is your only option.
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 21, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
Or, you can try the hard to draw unit again but the surefire way to get points for elk and not draw is what JLS said.
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
Montana is not like Washington when it comes to permit allocation, they do not allocate a certain number of permit tags to individual units, but rather lump all the permits in one and issue for all the 'like numbered" units. As a example, we hunt unit 704 and apply for bull elk tags. There are approx. 150 tags offered, but those 150 are good for all the "700" numbered units.Land owner tags are not what they seem. For one, you can only hunt deeded land owned by the landowner. Two, your odds of getting more than one LO tag is slim.You will want to:
Apply for the deer/elk combo
Apply for a LE permit for elk
Select the option to return the elk tag if not drawn
You will still receive a deer combo license.
So don't even buy the landowner deer tag since the deer/elk combo is pretty much a slam dunk?
Your best bet is to go the combo route and just hunt his land if you are looking for more than one tag. :twocents:
Ok. The plan this year is to only hunt deer and just to accumulate another bonus point for elk. We have one right now and we got that by putting in for the toughest tag to draw because we knew we didn't want to hunt that year.
Post by: furbearer365 on January 21, 2014, 03:23:30 PM
[/quote]
Ok. The plan this year is to only hunt deer and just to accumulate another bonus point for elk. We have one right now and we got that by putting in for the toughest tag to draw because we knew we didn't want to hunt that year.
[/quote]Montana is not like Washington when it comes to permit allocation, they do not allocate a certain number of permit tags to individual units, but rather lump all the permits in one and issue for all the 'like numbered" units. As a example, we hunt unit 704 and apply for bull elk tags. There are approx. 150 tags offered, but those 150 are good for all the "700" numbered units.
[/quote]
This isn't entirely true. The general elk licenses that allow you to kill a bull generalize what region, but LE tags are all unit specific. Plus another thing to consider is what unit this "landowner" tag would be good for. Although not many, there are units in Montana that are draw only. If he was to just put in for a general tag, he may not be able to go hunt the land he wants if it is a draw only unit. He may want to look and see what unit and make sure it can be hunting with a general tag, because he may have no option but to put in for the LO permit. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
Ok. The plan this year is to only hunt deer and just to accumulate another bonus point for elk. We have one right now and we got that by putting in for the toughest tag to draw because we knew we didn't want to hunt that year.
[/quote]Montana is not like Washington when it comes to permit allocation, they do not allocate a certain number of permit tags to individual units, but rather lump all the permits in one and issue for all the 'like numbered" units. As a example, we hunt unit 704 and apply for bull elk tags. There are approx. 150 tags offered, but those 150 are good for all the "700" numbered units.
[/quote]
because he may have no option but to put in for the LO permit. :twocents:
[/quote]which is why I used 704 as the example. ;)
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 03:33:38 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
I am a little lost but if we weren't trying to get just the bonus point then we would just get the landowner deer tag. We are planning to hunt with two other members on here that hunted it last year. We aren't worried about hunting places other then the property they have lined up.Then buy the deer/elk combo, apply for the toughest draw bull unit, likely wont draw and will be given the option to have your elk portion purchased back.
Post by: furbearer365 on January 21, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 03:40:07 PM
I am a little lost but if we weren't trying to get just the bonus point then we would just get the landowner deer tag. We are planning to hunt with two other members on here that hunted it last year. We aren't worried about hunting places other then the property they have lined up.Then buy the deer/elk combo, apply for the toughest draw bull unit, likely wont draw and will be given the option to have your elk portion purchased back.
Ok, that sounds like what we will need to do in order to get the point. Sorry to be a pain guys but just want to make sure we do it right. I will have to check and make sure that the unit we are planning to hunt is open to a general deer tag.
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:40:45 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Post by: furbearer365 on January 21, 2014, 03:47:14 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
I will have to check and make sure but we were going to just but a landowner tag and hunt it that way. There was no draw for that.
As for what elk unit are we hoping to draw. We are going to cross that bridge after we get a few more points and also after my dad retires and I get more established in my job so that we can do it right. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
Understood, but he is looking to build points for elk, you dont build points for elk unless its a bull permit somewhere. Also, you dont get your 80% back unless you first apply for a LE bull permit and get denied.Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
His buddies hunted the area for deer last year, I'm assuming he doesn't believe they can simply apply for the same area and be successful in the draw if it is a LE deer unit.
Most assume LO permits are given to anyone wanting to hunt a certain LO's land, thats not the case. :twocents:
Post by: JLS on January 21, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?
Hopefully he's already figured that out, because a landowner tag does not get you any special abilities to hunt LE districts. It is a different drawing, and limits you to hunting only the landowner's deeded land.
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:54:28 PM
PM sentIs the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
As for what elk unit are we hoping to draw. We are going to cross that bridge after we get a few more points and also after my dad retires and I get more established in my job so that we can do it right. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2014, 03:57:04 PM
:tup:Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?
Hopefully he's already figured that out, because a landowner tag does not get you any special abilities to hunt LE districts. It is a different drawing, and limits you to hunting only the landowner's deeded land.
Post by: JLS on January 21, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
To clarify for you, a Landowner Sponsored tag is a different animal than most states. It is a deer license that allows you to hunt deer only that land deeded to your sponsor. If your sponsor has land in a LE permit district, you would still need the LE permit in order to hunt there, which he obviously would need to draw in the limited entry drawing process.
If he wants points for elk, the method I told him is the only way he can build them. He cannot build them while he is applying for and hunting on Landowner Sponsored licenses.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 21, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
Is the unit that you are wanting to hunt open to a general deer license tag holder?Better yet, which elk unit are you wanting to save points for?
Phool, I'm not even referring to what elk unit. He says he is going to hunt deer and wants a point for elk. You guys are advising him to put in for the combo tag to hunt his deer then get his elk point, im wondering if the unit he wants to hunt for deer is even open to a general deer tag? He cant just put in for a general tag if the land he wants to hunt deer in is only open to limited entry. If it is LE and wants to hunt it, he must put in for the LO permit. The elk has nothing to do with what I am referring to. If the deer hunting is open to the general tag, then yes, put in for a deer/elk combo, put down a tough unit for elk and take your point.
To clarify for you, a Landowner Sponsored tag is a different animal than most states. It is a deer license that allows you to hunt deer only that land deeded to your sponsor. If your sponsor has land in a LE permit district, you would still need the LE permit in order to hunt there, which he obviously would need to draw in the limited entry drawing process.
If he wants points for elk, the method I told him is the only way he can build them. He cannot build them while he is applying for and hunting on Landowner Sponsored licenses.
I smell what you guys are stepping in now. I am 99% sure that the unit we were going to hunt is an OTC tag eligible since the guys we plan on going with hunted it last year without being drawn. The only drawing would be for a second either species doe tag.
Post by: JLS on January 21, 2014, 04:05:05 PM