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Title: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on February 20, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
  Sunday morning Feb 10,2014 a Twisp ranchers 40 yr old son took his 3 kids out to try and track down one of several cougars that were setting up camp within 300 yds of their house.   They did track down an 85 lb female and his oldest son 12 shot it.  When the rancher got back from church he saw a cow coming back from around the corner to eat some hay.  He knew she must of had a calf so fed the cows again to keep her occupied while he went and tagged and banded the calf.  When he got there he saw lots of cougar tracks and found the calf dead and had been drug about 200 feet.  He called WDFW and local agent who was off duty came anyway and confirmed it was a cougar and allowed the ranchers to catch and shoot this cougar too.  Cody the 9 yr old shot this nice 125 lb male.  This was also 2/10/2014.  Then on Tues. morning the kids decided to go check out an old mine shaft 100 yds from their house and found another set of cougar tracks.  A friend was visiting and went with the kids.  The daughter decided to give up the tracking ordeal and left the shotgun with the friend that had a tag. The youngest boy Cody went with the friend since he is becoming quite the tracker.  Cody found the cougar layed up in some rocks and they ambushed the cat and shot it with only one shell since the daughter had the rest in her pocket. This was 2/18/2014.  Yesterday afternoon a hunter found more fresh cougar tracks where the calf was killed but did not find the cat..  Last night  2/20/2014 at 2:30 am the ranchers son heard a big ruckus going on outside.  He grabbed the gun and went out to find the cougar chasing the red heeler around the yard.  For fear of the cat killing the dog he put it in the house.  He went out to the calf pen 14'  x  20' and saw the cougar reaching through the steel pannels.  He fired a couple shots in the air and chased the cougar away.  He will take assesment this morning to see if anything was killed.  The rancher knows they have no rights so are abiding by the law 100%.  This cougar will likely come back and kill again.  WDFW has no compensation.  The ranchers son actually found 2 separate more cougar tracks.  Since hound hunting was eliminated the cougar population has exploded in the Methow along with many other parts of the state.  These pictures are all 3 cougars killed so far. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Another cougar was killed 2/20/2014 number 4 since I wrote this post.  See update and picture on page two.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: bearpaw on February 20, 2014, 09:16:47 AM
Cougar numbers are damaging many areas in Washington.

Some anti-hunting professor from WSU and Conservation Northwest are in control of cougar management in WA.  :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: woodywsu on February 20, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
Your dates on wrong or my calendar is off.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: washingtonmuley on February 20, 2014, 09:18:11 AM
I think you dates are little messed up. Good work on the cats.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on February 20, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Thanks guys, I fixed it. :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
Thanks guys, I fixed it. :tup:

Isn't this the same story you posted saying it happened on the 10th?

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147251.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147251.0.html)

Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 20, 2014, 09:37:14 AM
Thanks guys, I fixed it. :tup:
You dates are still off. Or you have some kind of cool time machine.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: hollymaster on February 20, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
Think its supposed to be the 15th and 17th.  :dunno:
Or maybe he does have a time machine.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 20, 2014, 10:04:08 AM
Cool pics, but yeah sounds like there is a big cat problem there. Of course WDFW will never admit that.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: MtnMuley on February 20, 2014, 10:45:41 AM
Who gives a rats arse if the dates might be off.  I'm way more concerned about how there are 3 cats killed within a very small area and several more who are still in there causing havoc.  Wouldn't anybody in their right mind not agree that WDFW needs to step up and issue a couple depredation tags right there immediately. :dunno:  Common sense (which has been proven to be not a term anymore with WDFW) would tell me to grab a couple local houndsman and take care of this issue that needs dealt with ASAP. :dunno:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Taco280AI on February 20, 2014, 10:48:35 AM
Get 'em  :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2014, 10:55:01 AM
Who gives a rats arse if the dates might be off.  I'm way more concerned about how there are 3 cats killed within a very small area and several more who are still in there causing havoc.  Wouldn't anybody in their right mind not agree that WDFW needs to step up and issue a couple depredation tags right there immediately. :dunno:  Common sense (which has been proven to be not a term anymore with WDFW) would tell me to grab a couple local houndsman and take care of this issue that needs dealt with ASAP. :dunno:


Who needs houndsmen when you've got a couple sharp shootin 12 year olds running around?
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: MtnMuley on February 20, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Pay attn. jack.......the youngest at 9 seems like the "real" tracker and killer :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: bearpaw on February 20, 2014, 11:05:08 AM
According to government studies, one cougar kills 25 to 50 deer per year, so 75 to 150 deer per year were just saved.  :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 11:11:41 AM
Thank god those kids were armed and trained. One of them could have easily become a victim statistic. Unfortunately that is what it's going to take for us to ever have a chance at hound hunting again.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2014, 11:35:06 AM
According to government studies, one cougar kills 25 to 50 deer per year, so 75 to 150 deer per year were just saved.  :tup:

By 2 highly trained tracker/killers with a total combined age of 21.

 :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: washingtonmuley on February 20, 2014, 11:49:50 AM
According to government studies, one cougar kills 25 to 50 deer per year, so 75 to 150 deer per year were just saved.  :tup:

By 2 highly trained tracker/killers with a total combined age of 21.

 :tup:
That is awesome!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 12:48:15 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: bearpaw on February 20, 2014, 01:00:52 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:


That has happened before in NE WA and that is what led to the 5 year cougar pilot program that we used to have. The problem is that an anti-hunter WSU professor and Conservation Northwest are dictating cougar management in WA.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: KFhunter on February 20, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:

That's been going on for years,  but ya it'll accelerate as game dies off in wolf areas.

I can name two kids off the top of my head that's been attacked by MT Lions,  make that three kids within a 2 hour drive.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 20, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
I just hope we see a hound season of some kind soon ...The idiots who make these laws need to crawl out of there hole and start managing wildlife the way it was intended to be managed ..Again there is to much government for the country folks ...Maybe they should just stay in the city and keep playing on the computer and forget about making laws to protect wildlife which they have no clue about doing !!!!
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 01:13:10 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:


That has happened before in NE WA and that is what led to the 5 year cougar pilot program that we used to have. The problem is that an anti-hunter WSU professor and Conservation Northwest are dictating cougar management in WA.

Well that makes sense I guess...Being a WSU pro and Conservation NWist must have a lot of political power and sway. Our only hope now is if his kid one day gets mauled by a cougar.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 01:16:35 PM
I just hope we see a hound season of some kind soon ...The idiots who make these laws need to crawl out of there hole and start managing wildlife the way it was intended to be managed ..Again there is to much government for the country folks ...Maybe they should just stay in the city and keep playing on the computer and forget about making laws to protect wildlife which they have no clue about doing !!!!

  :yeah: Too many Bureaucrats  :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: KFhunter on February 20, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:


That has happened before in NE WA and that is what led to the 5 year cougar pilot program that we used to have. The problem is that an anti-hunter WSU professor and Conservation Northwest are dictating cougar management in WA.

Well that makes sense I guess...Being a WSU pro and Conservation NWist must have a lot of political power and sway. Our only hope now is if his kid one day gets mauled by a cougar.

Oh man take that back, that's terrible!
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: hogsniper on February 20, 2014, 01:24:53 PM
It is truly amazing what one cat can kill in a year.  25-50 deer a year is very broad and I would say is off by a lot.  During the spring I have seen where a cougar was killing a calf elk every other day.  Pretty crazy!
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: quadrafire on February 20, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Don't think I would let those kids out sledding and having fun until I wasn't seeing anymore tracks around. That is scary stuff.
Good shootin to the young hunters
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
These cougar infestations have got me thinking. Sooner or later an unarmed kid just like one of those two is going to be attacked by one of these hungry cats and hurt or killed. Wouldn't a parent of such be eligible to sue the state for NOT being responsible enough to control these cats? Don't the bio's think they're over populated in this state yet? There obviously is too many for the habitat and they need to let us hound hunt them and drive them back in the hills. I know common sense defies logic again :rolleyes:


That has happened before in NE WA and that is what led to the 5 year cougar pilot program that we used to have. The problem is that an anti-hunter WSU professor and Conservation Northwest are dictating cougar management in WA.

Well that makes sense I guess...Being a WSU pro and Conservation NWist must have a lot of political power and sway. Our only hope now is if his kid one day gets mauled by a cougar.

Oh man take that back, that's terrible!

Terrible.. but may be what it takes.  Take it back?  I'll have to think about that
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 20, 2014, 01:34:13 PM
It is truly amazing what one cat can kill in a year.  25-50 deer a year is very broad and I would say is off by a lot.  During the spring I have seen where a cougar was killing a calf elk every other day.  Pretty crazy!

I heard from a reliable source on average it's one deer a week. They usually only eat the tender morsels and move on. Anyone who has owned a cat has watched them kill for the fun when they're not even hungry.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on February 20, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Infestation update

The kids got home from school today and the red heeler stsrted barking like crazy.  Their dad looked out the window and there stood another cougar right behind the pickup 50 feet from the house.  Shelby 11 was the only one left with a tag so grabbed a gun and blasted it.  It appeared to be an older female but extremely skinny.  The dad said this doesnt look like the one he ran off last night at 2:30 AM.  So in the last 2 weeks 4 cougars have been killed on the one ranch that were causing trouble.  They think there is one more close by.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on February 20, 2014, 06:50:47 PM
All three kids for THREE Cougars WOW. Proud of their Father who teach them to be brave to shoot predators.

 :kneel:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 20, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
Good for her ...Do not think that one would have made it threw the winter..crazy it is that malnutritioned !
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Houndhunter on February 20, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
Hmmm this isn't right, experts from wdfw say that lions don't live that close together. They say big mature toms kill and manage the lion population, can't be infested. This is all wrong...... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I hope the right people can use this info to get lion hunting back and this just does not just get swept under the rug :twocents:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on February 20, 2014, 07:00:25 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: KFhunter on February 20, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
Hmmm - wonder where all the deer have gone...gosh let me think  hrmmm
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: denali on February 20, 2014, 07:14:44 PM
All three kids for THREE Cougars WOW. Proud of their Father who teach them to be brave to shoot predators.

 :kneel:


 :yeah: Nice job
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on February 20, 2014, 07:28:52 PM
Hmmm this isn't right, experts from wdfw say that lions don't live that close together. They say big mature toms kill and manage the lion population, can't be infested. This is all wrong...... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I hope the right people can use this info to get lion hunting back and this just does not just get swept under the rug :twocents:
Well said
Let me remember if I am right,
Last spring Jan 2013 something  I believe four cougars was shot same morning same day. 3 cougars for whole family husband, wife, son 2 miles from the ranch i could be wrong, I believe another one above them too.
None of this has collered this month but last year has 3 Collered.  It mean there still more Cats up there!  4-6 quota still plus 7th killed use hounds thur Gamewarden issued permit already!    Again

TWISP — The state Department of Fish and Wildlife has issued five special permits in the Methow Valley allowing hunters to use dogs to track and kill cougars in response to numerous problems this winter.

Wildlife officer Cal Treser said the special permits are the result of many sightings and incidents in which cougars have killed livestock and pets in the Twisp and Winthrop areas. They are called public safety cougar removal permits, and they’re issued when areas experience numerous complaints. Hunters with hounds are drawn by permits and allowed to hunt in specific areas.

 :o     :tup: :tup: :tup:





Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 20, 2014, 07:34:25 PM
great job young ones!!! :tup: mulehunter here's the fourth that was shot the same day.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: robertsjd on February 20, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
I agree this is the methow valley ... shot this deer at 6 pm and found him like this at 9am the next day ........little over 12 hours and they already found and had him picked apart.......... :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: ICEMAN on February 20, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Good god, what a mess we  dfw have has created.  :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Houndhunter on February 21, 2014, 08:22:08 PM
 :bumpin:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: clindsayrun on February 21, 2014, 08:26:49 PM
WDFW Officer Cal Tresser is good people.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Axle on February 21, 2014, 08:33:25 PM
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He fired a couple shots in the air and chased the cougar away.

Ah yes! A true friend of Al Gore and our despicable vice president! A true liberal indeed!! He digs a hole for his own grave.
A true American would have shot the damned cat.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on February 21, 2014, 08:36:17 PM
WDFW Officer Cal Tresser is good people.
:yeah:  He support hound hunting.   :tup:  :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on February 21, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Axle, You evidently do not know this man. The folks on here that do are laughing at your statement.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: klickman on February 22, 2014, 08:00:23 AM
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He fired a couple shots in the air and chased the cougar away.

Ah yes! A true friend of Al Gore and our despicable vice president! A true liberal indeed!! He digs a hole for his own grave.
A true American would have shot the damned cat.

That's a pretty ignorant comment.

 :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Axle on February 22, 2014, 09:19:16 AM
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Axle, You evidently do not know this man. The folks on here that do are laughing at your statement.

No - I sure don't.
What I'm trying to say is that 'we' the hunters are letting the corruption in Seattle and Olympia run our lives and literally destroy our heritage and hunting opportunities. It is sad to see this happening. In the process of ribbing someone for what they did or did not do, it can come across rude. Looks like mine was perceived to be rude.
Laugh all you want but when we wake up one day to a land void of hunting opportunities, many will wish they had done things different.
If someone was offended, then please accept my sincere apologies.
Hopefully we can curb the corruption that is destroying our ungulates before it is too late.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: bearpaw on February 22, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
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Axle, You evidently do not know this man. The folks on here that do are laughing at your statement.

No - I sure don't.
What I'm trying to say is that 'we' the hunters are letting the corruption in Seattle and Olympia run our lives and literally destroy our heritage and hunting opportunities. It is sad to see this happening. In the process of ribbing someone for what they did or did not do, it can come across rude. Looks like mine was perceived to be rude.
Laugh all you want but when we wake up one day to a land void of hunting opportunities, many will wish they had done things different.
If someone was offended, then please accept my sincere apologies.
Hopefully we can curb the corruption that is destroying our ungulates before it is too late.

I figured your comment was misunderstood.  :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 22, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
Gotta love sarcasm..sometimes :rolleyes:  So Axle what do you think we as hunters(the minority) can actually do to curb our inevitable future.

when our small town becomes big and we are out numbered by anti's do we move or do we fight?

People in my town used to pat me on the back for hunting coyotes. Now I don't even admit to shooting a poor innocent yote for fear of being judged or feeling ashamed. It's time to move,not sure if we have a chance once a town has been yuppified :dunno:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Axle on February 22, 2014, 12:45:57 PM
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I figured your comment was misunderstood.  :tup:

Thank you
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Axle on February 22, 2014, 01:46:07 PM
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Gotta love sarcasm..sometimes :rolleyes:  So Axle what do you think we as hunters(the minority) can actually do to curb our inevitable future.

when our small town becomes big and we are out numbered by anti's do we move or do we fight?

People in my town used to pat me on the back for hunting coyotes. Now I don't even admit to shooting a poor innocent yote for fear of being judged or feeling ashamed. It's time to move,not sure if we have a chance once a town has been yuppified :dunno:

I don't know that I would call it sarcasm. I was actually trying to be honest while ribbing a guy at the same time. If I ever get week-kneed or become a pansy-@ss, somebody please slap me! I choose to identify myself with guys like George Washington and king David. I will challenge others to be the same. This country wasn't established by guys like Gore and Biden. If somebody is breaking in my front door, I'm not inclined to go out the back door and empty my shotgun into the air (as Biden suggested). What good would that do? If a yote or bobcat or cougar or bear is eating my animals, I will deal with it legitimately. Trying to scare it off only creates a 'habituated' animal that is sure to return. In the end - you end up getting eaten out of house and home. Telling the truth about this can ruffle feathers. I don't care how nice a guy is. I choose to challenge him if I think he is wrong.
For those who don't like my comment, let me say this: when a person has too many mice in the house or barn, what do they do? - they normally poison and trap them to get rid of them and this is socially accepted. When they have opossums, raccoons, coyotes, or bobcats eating their chickens or other animals - what do they do? - they trap them or have somebody else get rid of them and this is currently semi-socially accepted (depends on where you live). If you have a larger predator and you shoot it, for some reason, the gamies, liberals, and corrupt courts take offense to this but the situation is really no different.
If you don't get rid of the numerous predators, you will have no animals for yourself. Cougars, bears, coyotes, and bobcats are simply bigger predators than mice and rats but they pose the same threats and do similar damage (they eat what is rightfully yours).
We are being out-numbered in this current age. Do we move? - that depends on where you are now. Do we stand ground and fight? - sometimes. There are times to stand ground and there are time a guy needs to move on.
I live in a semi-rural area. All of my neighbors love me for keeping predator numbers down. If I don't, then my neighbors and I are held hostage by predators. The corruption in Seattle and Olympia is trying their hardest to hold us hostage. D.C. is much worse!
This forum is a hunting forum. Do you want to hunt deer, goats, sheep, moose, and elk? Do you want your children to hunt too? If so, there is a price to pay. What is that price? - it is keeping the predator numbers low. Mankind was given dominion over the animals. This dominion is 'management'. If you don't manage the predator numbers, then you don't have ungulates to harvest. The corruption in government, which is currently managing for high predator numbers, is destroying what God gave us.
Cougar numbers have been skyrocketing since the 80s and herds have been wiped out by them all over the western states. It's time we take back proper management but now the corruption-in-play has us dealing with the non-native and extremely destructive wolf
which they brought in unlawfully.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: singleshot12 on February 22, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
Now that's a very thorough explanation Axle I like it and hear you loud and clear :tup:

And good old corruption,shows it's self like a wolf in sheep's clothing,spreads like the black plague and decays society.
Quote
Gotta love sarcasm..sometimes :rolleyes:  So Axle what do you think we as hunters(the minority) can actually do to curb our inevitable future.

when our small town becomes big and we are out numbered by anti's do we move or do we fight?

People in my town used to pat me on the back for hunting coyotes. Now I don't even admit to shooting a poor innocent yote for fear of being judged or feeling ashamed. It's time to move,not sure if we have a chance once a town has been yuppified :dunno:

I don't know that I would call it sarcasm. I was actually trying to be honest while ribbing a guy at the same time. If I ever get week-kneed or become a pansy-@ss, somebody please slap me! I choose to identify myself with guys like George Washington and king David. I will challenge others to be the same. This country wasn't established by guys like Gore and Biden. If somebody is breaking in my front door, I'm not inclined to go out the back door and empty my shotgun into the air (as Biden suggested). What good would that do? If a yote or bobcat or cougar or bear is eating my animals, I will deal with it legitimately. Trying to scare it off only creates a 'habituated' animal that is sure to return. In the end - you end up getting eaten out of house and home. Telling the truth about this can ruffle feathers. I don't care how nice a guy is. I choose to challenge him if I think he is wrong.
For those who don't like my comment, let me say this: when a person has too many mice in the house or barn, what do they do? - they normally poison and trap them to get rid of them and this is socially accepted. When they have opossums, raccoons, coyotes, or bobcats eating their chickens or other animals - what do they do? - they trap them or have somebody else get rid of them and this is currently semi-socially accepted (depends on where you live). If you have a larger predator and you shoot it, for some reason, the gamies, liberals, and corrupt courts take offense to this but the situation is really no different.
If you don't get rid of the numerous predators, you will have no animals for yourself. Cougars, bears, coyotes, and bobcats are simply bigger predators than mice and rats but they pose the same threats and do similar damage (they eat what is rightfully yours).
We are being out-numbered in this current age. Do we move? - that depends on where you are now. Do we stand ground and fight? - sometimes. There are times to stand ground and there are time a guy needs to move on.
I live in a semi-rural area. All of my neighbors love me for keeping predator numbers down. If I don't, then my neighbors and I are held hostage by predators. The corruption in Seattle and Olympia is trying their hardest to hold us hostage. D.C. is much worse!
This forum is a hunting forum. Do you want to hunt deer, goats, sheep, moose, and elk? Do you want your children to hunt too? If so, there is a price to pay. What is that price? - it is keeping the predator numbers low. Mankind was given dominion over the animals. This dominion is 'management'. If you don't manage the predator numbers, then you don't have ungulates to harvest. The corruption in government, which is currently managing for high predator numbers, is destroying what God gave us.
Cougar numbers have been skyrocketing since the 80s and herds have been wiped out by them all over the western states. It's time we take back proper management but now the corruption-in-play has us dealing with the non-native and extremely destructive wolf
which they brought in unlawfully.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 23, 2014, 06:23:37 PM
Cougar numbers are damaging many areas in Washington.

Some anti-hunting professor from WSU and Conservation Northwest are in control of cougar management in WA.  :bash: :bash: :bash:
conservation NW tried hard to make sHound hunting legal a few years ago. I suspect when more legislation becomes realistic they will be all in
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: steen on February 23, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
There was also three killed in the area earlier in the season wasn't it?  The ones they killed in the pipe? The family had that nice picture of the three of them with the cougars. Not sure if it was the same area though.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 23, 2014, 08:44:35 PM
Close enough to the same area ...Trust me there is no lack of cats in that area ....they follow the migration !
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: PA BEN on February 27, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
August 05, 1998 Cougar Attacks child
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/aug0598a/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/aug0598a/)
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: wolfbait on February 27, 2014, 01:40:11 PM
Cougar numbers are damaging many areas in Washington.

Some anti-hunting professor from WSU and Conservation Northwest are in control of cougar management in WA.  :bash: :bash: :bash:
conservation NW tried hard to make sHound hunting legal a few years ago. I suspect when more legislation becomes realistic they will be all in

Are you talking about the same CNW that promotes wolves and works alongside WDFW? Would CNW be afraid too many cats would cut down on wolf prey? Do you think CNW care about other wildlife other then wolves, etc. endangered money makers?
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on February 27, 2014, 01:47:28 PM
August 05, 1998 Cougar Attacks child
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/aug0598a/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/aug0598a/)

I remember this event well.. The big born feeding station at noisy creek turned into a cougar feeding station and brought the cats right in.  That poor family had bad luck as a lot of them passed in a car accident on 395 later on:(
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on February 27, 2014, 08:16:18 PM
As it turns out amazing as it sounds, yet another cougar was killed 2/26/14 yesterday in the Beaver Creek area Near Twisp.  This one was killed after it crossed the road in front of the hunter out driving around by one of the same group that shot one of 3 out of a big culvert last year.  None of these last five cougars had collars so WDFW likely assumed they were not here.  This is partly true since they sure enough are not here any longer.  He said it was a 90 lb young female.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Houndhunter on February 27, 2014, 08:41:06 PM
As it turns out amazing as it sounds, yet another cougar was killed 2/26/14 yesterday in the Beaver Creek area Near Twisp.  This one was killed after it crossed the road in front of the hunter out driving around by one of the same group that shot one of 3 out of a big culvert last year.  None of these last five cougars had collars so WDFW likely assumed they were not here.  This is partly true since they sure enough are not here any longer.  He said it was a 90 lb young female.

No collars on killed lions, shows how much the wdfw knows..... I don't even live there anymore but they still piss me off... Hope this news from the rancher gets the word out, this story here could very well be the final push to get hound hunting back in WA for lion. Funny how this puts all the experts at wdfw in the dirt, they are a JOKE and should be presented as such :twocents:

I do look forward to the response they give for why this is happening to the rancher in Twisp :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on February 27, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
Wow last year 3 collared out of 4 then this year 5 non-collared!   :yike:  Seem the young ones are the problem cats....   :chuckle:  I hope a permit with hounds go get big Cat soon.   :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Axle on February 28, 2014, 07:26:17 AM
Quote
Hope this news from the rancher gets the word out, this story here could very well be the final push to get hound hunting back in WA for lion. Funny how this puts all the experts at wdfw in the dirt, they are a JOKE and should be presented as such :twocents:

Unless planned obsolescence is the real plan. You know - making deer and elk obsolete.  :bdid: Then the joke would be on us because it is happening right in front of all of us.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 28, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
I may be way off base, but I think the reason there are so many undernourished Cougars around now is that the wolves are getting many of the animals the Cougars once hunted and killed.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: Bill W on February 28, 2014, 07:47:51 AM
  Sunday morning Feb 10,2014 a Twisp ranchers 40 yr old son took his 3 kids out to try and track down one of several cougars that were setting up camp within 300 yds of their house.   They did track down an 85 lb female and his oldest son 12 shot it.  When the rancher got back from church he saw a cow coming back from around the corner to eat some hay.  He knew she must of had a calf so fed the cows again to keep her occupied while he went and tagged and banded the calf.  When he got there he saw lots of cougar tracks and found the calf dead and had been drug about 200 feet.  He called WDFW and local agent who was off duty came anyway and confirmed it was a cougar and allowed the ranchers to catch and shoot this cougar too.  Cody the 9 yr old shot this nice 125 lb male.  This was also 2/10/2014.  Then on Tues. morning the kids decided to go check out an old mine shaft 100 yds from their house and found another set of cougar tracks.  A friend was visiting and went with the kids.  The daughter decided to give up the tracking ordeal and left the shotgun with the friend that had a tag. The youngest boy Cody went with the friend since he is becoming quite the tracker.  Cody found the cougar layed up in some rocks and they ambushed the cat and shot it with only one shell since the daughter had the rest in her pocket. This was 2/18/2014.  Yesterday afternoon a hunter found more fresh cougar tracks where the calf was killed but did not find the cat..  Last night  2/20/2014 at 2:30 am the ranchers son heard a big ruckus going on outside.  He grabbed the gun and went out to find the cougar chasing the red heeler around the yard.  For fear of the cat killing the dog he put it in the house.  He went out to the calf pen 14'  x  20' and saw the cougar reaching through the steel pannels.  He fired a couple shots in the air and chased the cougar away.  He will take assesment this morning to see if anything was killed.  The rancher knows they have no rights so are abiding by the law 100%.  This cougar will likely come back and kill again.  WDFW has no compensation.  The ranchers son actually found 2 separate more cougar tracks.  Since hound hunting was eliminated the cougar population has exploded in the Methow along with many other parts of the state.  These pictures are all 3 cougars killed so far. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Another cougar was killed 2/20/2014 number 4 since I wrote this post.  See update and picture on page two.



I knew that old warden back when he was going to school to be a fisheries officer.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: KB88 on February 28, 2014, 07:57:35 AM
Shoot the cougar to save the deer or to save the wolf? Shoot the wolf to save the deer or to save the cougar? Shoot the cougar and the wolf, save the deer.
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: wolfbait on March 03, 2014, 10:08:35 AM
Reported Cougar Problems in the Methow Valley 2011-2014


Dangerous Wildlife Incidents in Washington
A map of recent wolf observations submitted via WDFW's online wolf reporting form is available here.

December 19, 2011 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
October 27, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
July 23, 2011 – Carlton, Okanogan County (Cougar)
July 7, 2011 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
June 9, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
May 1, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 7, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 7, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 1, 2011 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 2, 2011 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)

Dangerous Wildlife Incidents in Washington
A map of recent wolf observations submitted via WDFW's online wolf reporting form is available here.

December 6, 2012 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)


August 25, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 21, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 11, 2012 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 26, 2012 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 21, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 21, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 8, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 24, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 22, 2012 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)




Dangerous Wildlife Incidents in Washington
A map of recent wolf observations submitted via WDFW's online wolf reporting form is available here.
December 28, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
December 12, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
December 10, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
September 10, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
September 6, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
August 8, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
August 5, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
August 4, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
June 17, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
June 2, 2013 – Carlton, Okanogan County (Cougar)
June 2, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
June 1, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 20, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
March 2, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 14, 2013 – Methow, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 10, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
February 7, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 25, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 22, 2013 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 18, 2013 – Carlton, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 14, 2013 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)

February 3, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 23, 2014 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 22, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 22, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 18, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 17, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 17, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 16, 2014 – Twisp, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 11, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 6, 2014 – Winthrop, Okanogan County (Cougar)
January 3, 2014 – Mazama, Okanogan County (Cougar)
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/rep (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/rep) … ;year=2011
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mrolen on March 03, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
another dog attacked by Mclure in Twisp this morning! John Stevies dog that was attacked by wolf last year!! :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on March 03, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
I just talked to John on the phone.  He said he let the dog out to go pee at 4:30 and heard a big ruckus.  By the time he slipped on his shoes and grabbed a flashlight the dog had got loose and the cougar ran into the trees.  The vet put in 23 stitches.  Fish and No Game chased it with dogs and it went in a deep hole in the rock cliffs.  They couldn't see it but heard it growling.
 It appears the only thing cougars haven't attacked this winter is somebody's kid.  One wonders just how far this will be allowed to continue with no effective cougar management ( hound hunting).  This is totally ridiculous. :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 04, 2014, 07:14:28 AM
so did they kill the cat?
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mrolen on March 04, 2014, 11:01:50 AM
Nope! Couldnt get to it in the rocks..
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on March 04, 2014, 01:39:01 PM
 :o  No Way....I am Sorry... john...
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 04, 2014, 06:51:55 PM
Cougar numbers are damaging many areas in Washington.

Some anti-hunting professor from WSU and Conservation Northwest are in control of cougar management in WA.  :bash: :bash: :bash:
conservation NW tried hard to make sHound hunting legal a few years ago. I suspect when more legislation becomes realistic they will be all in

Are you talking about the same CNW that promotes wolves and works alongside WDFW? Would CNW be afraid too many cats would cut down on wolf prey? Do you think CNW care about other wildlife other then wolves, etc. endangered money makers?
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: villageidiot on March 08, 2014, 08:09:04 PM
Here we go again.  Another dog was killed up Twisp river yesterday March 7,2014.  The neighbor said the dog was killed and drug off away from the house and partially eaten then covered up which is a dead ringer for cougars.  The neighbor said Fish and No Game brought hounds in today and try to catch it. Apparently ther is a very gruesome picture of the partially eaten dog.  The neighbor said she thinks the persons name is Corie Lyons  (could be Cory).  Will try and get more info and report back.  So we continue the Twisp Cougar infestation. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: hirshey on March 08, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Wow! Well if anyone up there needs another hunter with an open tag...  :chuckle: a cougar is definitely on my wishlist! Congrats to the hunters, but boy does that seem like a heap of cats!
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: denali on March 08, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
"endangered money makers"?

only three words, but yet a whole chapter.  :tup:
Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: mulehunter on March 09, 2014, 09:24:32 AM
Thank god for sent a strong hunters out there, if they weren't there to hunt...... Cats would end up killed one or two kids.   :bash:  Open hounds hunting whole state!!!!
 :yeah:

Title: Re: Cougar Infestation (Twisp)
Post by: wolfbait on March 11, 2014, 08:26:48 AM
I just talked to John on the phone.  He said he let the dog out to go pee at 4:30 and heard a big ruckus.  By the time he slipped on his shoes and grabbed a flashlight the dog had got loose and the cougar ran into the trees.  The vet put in 23 stitches.  Fish and No Game chased it with dogs and it went in a deep hole in the rock cliffs.  They couldn't see it but heard it growling.
 It appears the only thing cougars haven't attacked this winter is somebody's kid.  One wonders just how far this will be allowed to continue with no effective cougar management ( hound hunting).  This is totally ridiculous. :bash: :bash:

Stevie reported the attack, and Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) enforcement officers arrived with hounds a few hours after the attack. They tracked the cougar into a boulder field, but because it was a dangerous situation for the dogs, they left, said Capt. Chris Anderson, WDFW regional enforcement supervisor.
Wildlife officials returned Tuesday morning, found new tracks near Stevie’s home, tracked the cougar and treed it. The cougar, a healthy female, was shot and killed.
http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/06/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/06/) … lton-home/

Cougar
DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT
CONFIRMED COUGAR ATTACK ON RP'S DOG. THE DOG SUFFERED DEEP LACERATIONS BUT WILL RECOVER. A DEER WAS KILLED AT THE NEXT HOUSE OVER THREE DAYS PRIOR. OFFICERS BELIEVE THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE COUGAR IN THE AREA. HOUND HANDLERS WERE GIVEN PERMITS TO KILLS UP TO THREE COUGAR. THEY RESPONDED TO THE DOG ATTACK INCIDENT AND CORNERED ONE, POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE, ANIMAL IN A BOULDER PILE BUT WERE UNABLE TO VERIFY THAT IT WAS A COUGAR DUE TO HEAVY SNOW. THEY PULLED OUT BUT THE SITUATION IS BEING MONITORED.
REPORT INFORMATION
Date/Time of Incident: March 3, 2014
Date of Report: March 3, 2014
Location: Mountain Vista Lane
City: Twisp
County: Okanogan
Game Management Unit: 242

http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/report.php?id=1463 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/report.php?id=1463)
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