Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
Post by: akirkland on March 07, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2014, 03:08:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
Well....they have the weed thing too..??
:dunno:
Post by: sirmissalot on March 07, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
Why is it cool? Do they perform better? Functionality? Look cool? "Just because we can" sort of thing?
Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.
Same question I've asked. And also, why were they illegal in the first place? I will probably turn my more tactical, "home defense" AR into a SBR though :chuckle: partly for looks and more compact, less barrel to swing around.
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on March 07, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 07, 2014, 03:14:38 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
Yes, all Federal laws still apply.
But now you can go through the Federal process and after the background check and fee, posses a legal SBR.
And jackelope they can be very handy for certain kinds of shooting
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!
I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 03:19:53 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
Legalization of SBR's allows you to have a barrel length under 16" or total length under 26" as long as you have a Federal Stamp and proper paperwork
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!
I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...
Gah you're right, i was a little overzealous there! Just rifles.
Just looking over the bill, out of the senate and the house, one 3 opposed it. I wonder who those 3 were...
Post by: 724wd on March 07, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
Post by: Eli346 on March 07, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
but heaven forbid you have an automatic knife in your pocket! :bash:
http://www.sogknives.com/type/new-for-2014/zoom-aluminum-handle-satin.html (http://www.sogknives.com/type/new-for-2014/zoom-aluminum-handle-satin.html)
Just as good as an auto
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
Yes, all Federal laws still apply.
But now you can go through the Federal process and after the background check and fee, posses a legal SBR.
And jackelope they can be very handy for certain kinds of shooting
:yeah: I want a short rifle that will fit in my back pack, but I don't want extra paperwork so no gain for me. I will have to investigate folding stocks for hunting rifles, hopefully there is something affordable and lightweight out there.
Post by: Yondering on March 07, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Post by: blackdog on March 07, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 04:23:12 PM
If the sponsors could have changed federal law they would have. This the best that can be done at the State level. :hello:
And it's a Damn good job by everyone involved.
Next onto SBSs and Full autos.
Post by: fly-by on March 07, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Why is it cool? Do they perform better? Functionality? Look cool? "Just because we can" sort of thing?
Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.
For those with a suppressor it allows you to cut back the barrel and still end up with a rifle of reasonable overall length. Otherwise you would have a 30+" barrel+suppressor in most cases.
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
Post by: blackdog on March 07, 2014, 08:52:20 PM
Post by: Elliott on March 08, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php (http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php) Here is another shotgun option with minimal paperwork. It is referred to as a "any other weapon"
Would a "master key" be an AOW then too? You know like an underbarrel shot gun?
Post by: Scvette on March 08, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!
I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...
You are correct,not for shotguns.....yet! Hopefully they get that passed next.
Post by: DoubleJ on March 08, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5. I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5. I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5
Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 08, 2014, 07:22:36 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 07:28:42 AM
I was thinking I would get this and replace the rear trunnion with an AKM pattern trunnion and buttstock and there ya go.......
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 08, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5. I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5
Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..
Wasn't trying to be dramatic or anything :sry: should have noticed that!
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5. I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5
Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..
Wasn't trying to be dramatic or anything :sry: should have noticed that!
Sorry, comment wasn't meant for or towards anyone in particular.
Post by: bigtex on March 08, 2014, 10:57:55 AM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?All the bill did was align WA law with federal law
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
18" barrel with a folder.
:dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.
Post by: mulehunter on March 08, 2014, 01:06:56 PM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
:dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.
Single Bullet 308? I might want one... ;)
Post by: Elliott on March 09, 2014, 10:39:20 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2014, 11:37:27 PM
So this just crossed my mind, A glock stock. Put a stock on a block 17 or 21 or whatever and you have an sbr right? My question would be, what would the NFA tax stamp cover, the stock or the pistol, or both? Could I use the one stock on multiple pistols or would it be assigned to just the one that I registered. I guess we will find out soon enough!
It would cover the frame of the pistol.
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 09, 2014, 11:59:33 PM
So this just crossed my mind, A glock stock. Put a stock on a block 17 or 21 or whatever and you have an sbr right? My question would be, what would the NFA tax stamp cover, the stock or the pistol, or both? Could I use the one stock on multiple pistols or would it be assigned to just the one that I registered. I guess we will find out soon enough!
It would cover the frame of the pistol.
Agreed. Just like how you can get a stripped lower SBRd without having a stock for it. Thus, stocks are completely interchangeable. Applies to the glock pistol as well
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 06:18:57 AM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
:dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.
I'm working toward a very similar setup myself! :tup:
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on March 21, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
Post by: fly-by on March 25, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
:dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.
Does anyone know if Encores are designated as either rifle or pistol from the factory? I think this rig would already be WA legal if it started out like as a rifle since the barrel is over the minimum and folding stocks on a rifle (but not pistol) are ok.
Post by: pd on March 25, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states." No problem with that logic.
I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance.
I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle. (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;)) Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 25, 2014, 02:14:58 PM
I don't get it. What is the allure of a short barreled rifle?
I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states." No problem with that logic.
I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance.
I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle. (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;)) Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?
This bill is relevant for various reasons:
1) SBR's are fun!
2) You can now fire .300 blackout suppressed from a 8-10" barrel
3) The bill aligns WA state law with Federal law in regards to SBRs, and removes the ban on them.
4) Although they are not going to be for everyone, everyone should have the legal right to be able to purchase them by following proper procedures to comply with federal law
TONS more, but those 4 are a start.
Also, SB 5956 passing, along with suppressors a while ago, may provide some momentum to getting SBS's legalized as well as full auto, so WA state residents can own all 6 NFA item types.
Anytime you can not only escape a legislative session without getting any rights taken away, but rather expand gun ownership rights, is a great thing.
Time to defeat the background check initiative in November.
Post by: pd on March 25, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
I don't get it. What is the allure of a short barreled rifle?
I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states." No problem with that logic.
I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance.
I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle. (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;)) Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?
This bill is relevant for various reasons:
1) SBR's are fun!
2) You can now fire .300 blackout suppressed from a 8-10" barrel
3) The bill aligns WA state law with Federal law in regards to SBRs, and removes the ban on them.
4) Although they are not going to be for everyone, everyone should have the legal right to be able to purchase them by following proper procedures to comply with federal law
TONS more, but those 4 are a start.
Also, SB 5956 passing, along with suppressors a while ago, may provide some momentum to getting SBS's legalized as well as full auto, so WA state residents can own all 6 NFA item types.
Anytime you can not only escape a legislative session without getting any rights taken away, but rather expand gun ownership rights, is a great thing.
Time to defeat the background check initiative in November.
Thanks, Hunter.
I guess I need to learn more about NFAs, and why SBRs were prohibited in Washington in the first place. I have seen some passionate remarks on this and other sites about this bill, so it clearly touched a nerve with some.
Post by: FALFire on March 27, 2014, 05:38:04 AM
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 27, 2014, 05:59:48 PM
I'm pretty certain that Gov. Inslee has not yet signed the bill so for now it has not become law. Still waiting for it to cross his desk, maybe today....
It's already gone to his desk, he just has decided not to act on it. I don't anticipate it's too high on his list, granted it expands gun rights and now the mudslide has occurred. We just need him to NOT veto it, and regardless if he signs it or not, it becomes law.
Post by: blackdog on March 28, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 28, 2014, 10:01:23 PM
Scheduled for action April 2, 3:00 pm, fingers crossed.
Finger crossed. Any way to find where the bill signing schedule is online? I'm gonna be furious if he vetos it
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 28, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Post by: FALFire on March 29, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
I'm pretty certain that Gov. Inslee has not yet signed the bill so for now it has not become law. Still waiting for it to cross his desk, maybe today....
It's already gone to his desk, he just has decided not to act on it. I don't anticipate it's too high on his list, granted it expands gun rights and now the mudslide has occurred. We just need him to NOT veto it, and regardless if he signs it or not, it becomes law.
That's what I am hoping for, just let it slide on across his desk into the the "B" pile and let it pass without touching it so it will quietly become law. But with all the anti gunners on the wet side he may feel obligated to veto it to save face with his liberal anti gun buddies. Then again...... never say never.... :dunno:
Post by: FALFire on April 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Post by: actionshooter on April 02, 2014, 08:22:28 PM
Well......The bill was signed today :IBCOOL: Bout time to start getting' some paper work ready, if I ever find the time :bash:
I read that today.....ya-hoo!! I hope the wait is faster than suppressors!
Post by: PNW_Hunter on April 02, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
Post by: blackdog on April 06, 2014, 07:52:24 PM