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Title: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: akirkland on March 07, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
How short?
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
I don't think it matters. They defined a short barreled rifle as a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches. And a shotgun is less than 18, so I guess it defaults to the Federal minimum, if there is one
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Why is it cool? Do they perform better? Functionality? Look cool? "Just because we can" sort of thing?

Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.



Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2014, 03:08:19 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?

Well....they have the weed thing too..??

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: sirmissalot on March 07, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
Why is it cool? Do they perform better? Functionality? Look cool? "Just because we can" sort of thing?

Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.

Same question I've asked. And also, why were they illegal in the first place? I will probably turn my more tactical, "home defense" AR into a SBR though  :chuckle: partly for looks and more compact, less barrel to swing around. 
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Yes of course you would have to go through the same process as getting a suppressor, the $200 tax stamp, signing off from the sheriff or chief of police and all that jazz. The sad thing is its less power, less velocity, louder sound. But its a smaller package if you want really, tactical-ness, I probably won't build one, I just like the idea of having the same rights as Oregon and Idaho and like a bunch of other states.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: sirmissalot on March 07, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
I didn't realize it was similar to a suppressor as far as paperwork goes... that is lame 
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 07, 2014, 03:14:38 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?

Yes, all Federal laws still apply.

But now you can go through the Federal process and after the background check and fee, posses a legal SBR.

And jackelope they can be very handy for certain kinds of shooting
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Next up is automatics, so we can waste even more money on ammunition!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!

I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 03:19:53 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?

Legalization of SBR's allows you to have a barrel length under 16" or total length under 26" as long as you have a Federal Stamp and proper paperwork
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!

I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...

Gah you're right, i was a little overzealous there! Just rifles.

Just looking over the bill, out of the senate and the house, one 3 opposed it. I wonder who those 3 were...
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: 724wd on March 07, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
but heaven forbid you have an automatic knife in your pocket!   :bash:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Eli346 on March 07, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
 I've got a 15" pistol grip 12 ga shotgun that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 07, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
but heaven forbid you have an automatic knife in your pocket!   :bash:

http://www.sogknives.com/type/new-for-2014/zoom-aluminum-handle-satin.html (http://www.sogknives.com/type/new-for-2014/zoom-aluminum-handle-satin.html)

Just as good as an auto
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?

Yes, all Federal laws still apply.

But now you can go through the Federal process and after the background check and fee, posses a legal SBR.

And jackelope they can be very handy for certain kinds of shooting

 :yeah: I want a short rifle that will fit in my back pack, but I don't want extra paperwork so no gain for me. I will have to investigate folding stocks for hunting rifles, hopefully there is something affordable and lightweight out there.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Yondering on March 07, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: blackdog on March 07, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
If the sponsors could have changed federal law they would have. This the best that can be done at the State level. :hello:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 04:23:12 PM
If the sponsors could have changed federal law they would have. This the best that can be done at the State level. :hello:

And it's a Damn good job by everyone involved.

Next onto SBSs and Full autos.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: fly-by on March 07, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Why is it cool? Do they perform better? Functionality? Look cool? "Just because we can" sort of thing?

Legit question, not trying to be a wise guy.

For those with a suppressor it allows you to cut back the barrel and still end up with a rifle of reasonable overall length.  Otherwise you would have a 30+" barrel+suppressor in most cases.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 07, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.

Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: blackdog on March 07, 2014, 08:52:20 PM
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php (http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php) Here is another shotgun option with minimal paperwork. It is referred to as a  "any other weapon"
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 08, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php (http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php) Here is another shotgun option with minimal paperwork. It is referred to as a  "any other weapon"

Would a "master key" be an AOW then too? You know like an underbarrel shot gun?
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Scvette on March 08, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
Well this is cool! Short barreled rifles and shotguns are going to be legal here in the Washington state!

I don't believe SB 5956 applied to short barreled shotguns...

You are correct,not for shotguns.....yet! Hopefully they get that passed next.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: DoubleJ on March 08, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.

Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.

If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5.  I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.

Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.

If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5.  I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5

Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 08, 2014, 07:22:36 AM
I've been looking at 7.5 inch AR-15 pistols. Those are legal already.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 07:28:42 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-zastava-pap-m92pv-ak-style-pistol,-krinkov-pattern,-7.62x39,-wood-stock,-new.-p-57965.html (http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-zastava-pap-m92pv-ak-style-pistol,-krinkov-pattern,-7.62x39,-wood-stock,-new.-p-57965.html)

I was thinking I would get this and replace the rear trunnion with an AKM pattern trunnion and buttstock and there ya go.......
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 08, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.

Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.

If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5.  I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5

Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..

Wasn't trying to be dramatic or anything  :sry: should have noticed that!
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 08, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
I've got a *delete* that is always handy when I'm in the house. I hope I never have to use it!

You might not want to post that online. That's a short barreled shotgun, and will land you in hot water with the ATF. $250,000 and 10 years, doesn't sound worth that 1" shorter to me.

Not to be nit picky, but its 18" for shotguns so he would be 3 inches too short . No clue why someone would post that on a public forum though.

If you look at your 10 key number pad on the right of your keyboard, you'll see that the 8 is just above the 5.  I'm sure he was trying to type 18" and instead, accidentally hit the 5

Yes, but that explanation isn't nearly as dramatic..

Wasn't trying to be dramatic or anything  :sry: should have noticed that!


Sorry, comment wasn't meant for or towards anyone in particular.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: bigtex on March 08, 2014, 10:57:55 AM
I'm not sure if this will really change anything, the feds have a 16" minimum barrel length for rifles don't they?
All the bill did was align WA law with federal law
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
 :dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: mulehunter on March 08, 2014, 01:06:56 PM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
 :dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.

Single Bullet 308?  I might want one...   ;)
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: Elliott on March 09, 2014, 10:39:20 PM
So this just crossed my mind, A glock stock. Put a stock on a block 17 or 21 or whatever and you have an sbr right? My question would be, what would the NFA tax stamp cover, the stock or the pistol, or both? Could I use the one stock on multiple pistols or would it be assigned to just the one that I registered. I guess we will find out soon enough!
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 09, 2014, 11:37:27 PM
So this just crossed my mind, A glock stock. Put a stock on a block 17 or 21 or whatever and you have an sbr right? My question would be, what would the NFA tax stamp cover, the stock or the pistol, or both? Could I use the one stock on multiple pistols or would it be assigned to just the one that I registered. I guess we will find out soon enough!

It would cover the frame of the pistol.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 09, 2014, 11:59:33 PM
So this just crossed my mind, A glock stock. Put a stock on a block 17 or 21 or whatever and you have an sbr right? My question would be, what would the NFA tax stamp cover, the stock or the pistol, or both? Could I use the one stock on multiple pistols or would it be assigned to just the one that I registered. I guess we will find out soon enough!

It would cover the frame of the pistol.

Agreed. Just like how you can get a stripped lower SBRd without having a stock for it. Thus, stocks are completely interchangeable. Applies to the glock pistol as well
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 06:18:57 AM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
 :dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.

I'm working toward a very similar setup myself!  :tup:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on March 21, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
The AOW and SBR are only a 5 dollar tax stamp where full auto (where legal), suppressors, sawed off shotguns ( production shotguns that are normal length then shortened beyond 18"), and destructive devices are all $200 tax stamp.  The super shorty shotguns are considered AOW by the ATF so they are only a $5 stamp. There is a lot of paperwork and waiting not matter what when it comes to any NFA item.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: fly-by on March 25, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
I think this will be my next move with one of my Encores.
18" barrel with a folder.
 :dunno:
Awesome backpack rifle assuming it shoots.

Does anyone know if Encores are designated as either rifle or pistol from the factory?  I think this rig would already be WA legal if it started out like as a rifle since the barrel is over the minimum and folding stocks on a rifle (but not pistol) are ok. 
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: pd on March 25, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
I don't get it.  What is the allure of a short barreled rifle?

I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states."  No problem with that logic.

I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance. 

I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle.  (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;))  Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 25, 2014, 02:14:58 PM
I don't get it.  What is the allure of a short barreled rifle?

I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states."  No problem with that logic.

I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance. 

I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle.  (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;))  Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?

This bill is relevant for various reasons:

1) SBR's are fun!

2) You can now fire .300 blackout suppressed from a 8-10" barrel

3) The bill aligns WA state law with Federal law in regards to SBRs, and removes the ban on them.

4) Although they are not going to be for everyone, everyone should have the legal right to be able to purchase them by following proper procedures to comply with federal law

TONS more, but those 4 are a start.

Also, SB 5956 passing, along with suppressors a while ago, may provide some momentum to getting SBS's legalized as well as full auto, so WA state residents can own all 6 NFA item types.

Anytime you can not only escape a legislative session without getting any rights taken away, but rather expand gun ownership rights, is a great thing.

Time to defeat the background check initiative in November.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: pd on March 25, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
I don't get it.  What is the allure of a short barreled rifle?

I understand the point about "I just want to have the same rights as residents in other states."  No problem with that logic.

I also understand the Alaskan trapper's use of a short barreled shotgun for bear defense--although this bill doesn't seem to help in that instance. 

I am not trying to be difficult, but I just don't know why I would want a short barreled rifle.  (The Good Lord knows I already have enough of the regular variety, so don't think I am opposed to rifle ownership ;))  Would somebody be kind enough to explain to me why this bill is really relevant?

This bill is relevant for various reasons:

1) SBR's are fun!

2) You can now fire .300 blackout suppressed from a 8-10" barrel

3) The bill aligns WA state law with Federal law in regards to SBRs, and removes the ban on them.

4) Although they are not going to be for everyone, everyone should have the legal right to be able to purchase them by following proper procedures to comply with federal law

TONS more, but those 4 are a start.

Also, SB 5956 passing, along with suppressors a while ago, may provide some momentum to getting SBS's legalized as well as full auto, so WA state residents can own all 6 NFA item types.

Anytime you can not only escape a legislative session without getting any rights taken away, but rather expand gun ownership rights, is a great thing.

Time to defeat the background check initiative in November.

Thanks, Hunter.

I guess I need to learn more about NFAs, and why SBRs were prohibited in Washington in the first place.  I have seen some passionate remarks on this and other sites about this bill, so it clearly touched a nerve with some.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: FALFire on March 27, 2014, 05:38:04 AM
I'm pretty certain that Gov. Inslee has not yet signed the bill so for now it has not become law. Still waiting for it to cross his desk, maybe today....
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 27, 2014, 05:59:48 PM
I'm pretty certain that Gov. Inslee has not yet signed the bill so for now it has not become law. Still waiting for it to cross his desk, maybe today....

It's already gone to his desk, he just has decided not to act on it. I don't anticipate it's too high on his list, granted it expands gun rights and now the mudslide has occurred. We just need him to NOT veto it, and regardless if he signs it or not, it becomes law.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: blackdog on March 28, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Scheduled for action April 2, 3:00 pm, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 28, 2014, 10:01:23 PM
Scheduled for action April 2, 3:00 pm, fingers crossed.

Finger crossed. Any way to find where the bill signing schedule is online? I'm gonna be furious if he vetos it
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on March 28, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Needless to say, I'm pretty concerned. I was expecting him to just take no action and let it become law.... Signing it was the least likely option, I thought.
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: FALFire on March 29, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
I'm pretty certain that Gov. Inslee has not yet signed the bill so for now it has not become law. Still waiting for it to cross his desk, maybe today....

It's already gone to his desk, he just has decided not to act on it. I don't anticipate it's too high on his list, granted it expands gun rights and now the mudslide has occurred. We just need him to NOT veto it, and regardless if he signs it or not, it becomes law.

That's what I am hoping for, just let it slide on across his desk into the the "B" pile and let it pass without touching it so it will quietly become law. But with all the anti gunners on the wet side he may feel obligated to veto it to save face with his liberal anti gun buddies. Then again...... never say never....  :dunno:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: FALFire on April 02, 2014, 08:05:08 PM
Well......The bill was signed today  :IBCOOL: Bout time to start getting' some paper work ready, if I ever find the time  :bash:
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: actionshooter on April 02, 2014, 08:22:28 PM
Well......The bill was signed today  :IBCOOL: Bout time to start getting' some paper work ready, if I ever find the time  :bash:

I read that today.....ya-hoo!! I hope the wait is faster than suppressors!
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: PNW_Hunter on April 02, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
Awesome! I tried to find out if it was signed today or not but the legislative website must not be updated
Title: Re: Just saw SB 5956 passed
Post by: blackdog on April 06, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
Signed and goes into effect June 12 I believe.
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