Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 09:39:45 AM
anyway... i've been thinking about a muzzle break lately and i have zero experience with a muzzle break or how they act after a muzzle break is installed so whats your guys take on muzzle breaks.. pros vs cons? is it worth it? will it deafen me and anyone around when i shoot? will it make a difference?
Post by: lokidog on October 05, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
On your description of kicking up, is the muzzle rising more than you usually have happen with other 270's? I'm not a gunsmithing expert but it sounds like maybe the stock is not fitting you quite right. :dunno:
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 09:50:48 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 05, 2014, 09:52:46 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 05, 2014, 09:55:25 AM
Post by: lokidog on October 05, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
yea the muzzle is rising more than usually with any other 270, but this is the only 270wsm i have ever shot, and i dunno it seems to me the stock fits me well, same length as my old 270 and my fathers they were both rem M700 though.
I wonder if the shape of the stock is a bit different, more drop would be a guess.
Post by: jackelope on October 05, 2014, 10:03:36 AM
:dunno:
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 10:05:04 AM
maybe ill have to take a lookyea the muzzle is rising more than usually with any other 270, but this is the only 270wsm i have ever shot, and i dunno it seems to me the stock fits me well, same length as my old 270 and my fathers they were both rem M700 though.
I wonder if the shape of the stock is a bit different, more drop would be a guess.
Bmcox86 has a Pallazo Precision brake on his T3 lite .300 and likes it a lot. Ive not been next to him shooting it so cant comment on the muzzle blast.
maybe ill give him a pm and see what he thinks on it or maybe he could chime in on this subject
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 10:05:59 AM
The short mag has a little more juice than a standard. 270 win so it is probably going to feel a little snappier. Its also probablyna little lighter than the other rifles you're comparing it too.
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yea no its deffinatly lighter than my old 270 and my fathers 270
Post by: lokidog on October 05, 2014, 10:09:22 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 05, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
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Post by: Bmcox86 on October 05, 2014, 10:35:11 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 05, 2014, 10:38:18 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 10:45:25 AM
I have a palazzo break on my tikka 300 and it tamed it down a lot. I think it was $200 even for everything. Well worth it in my opinion and I haven't noticed any more noise than usual but I have only been behind it not next to it :tup:where do i find those palazzo brakes? been looking and i cant seem to find them
and not to up on getting a bigger or different P-pad cant make myself look like a you know 8)
Post by: MountainWalk on October 05, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
Post by: snowpack on October 05, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on October 05, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 05, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
Ha! If you 270 is giving you the blues, diitch it and get a rifle you can shoot comfortably without gimmicks and crutches. You dont want a bigger kickpad cause it looks wimpy!? Poor reason. Guess you could tell folks its a spacer.
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:yeah: I have no problem with a sissy pad on my rifles. my 30-06 has one as well as my 375. my ultra mag has a brake.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on October 05, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 05, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Post by: RadSav on October 05, 2014, 11:36:39 AM
does sims make a recoil pad for those rifle? I would try that before a brake. a brake will require hearing protection... even for one shot. I do think brakes have a place, but not every rifle for every situation. its hard to hunt thick brush with ear plugs in.
Yes, Sims does make pads for that rifle. There should be a note in the Tikka manual stating that the first thing a shooter needs to do is remove the stock/factory pad and throw it in the trash!
I bought the Sako A7 in 270WSM and after two clips through the gun was about ready to get rid of the gun. Same pad as the Tikka. Not only did the round hammer you, but the A7 also had a barrel rise that was awkward. Put the Sims pad on and instantly fell in love with the gun!
One other thing to note is the Tikka is a light weight rifle in all practical description. All of my lightweight rifles including the very straight stocked Kimber Montana have a barrel rise upon recoil. If you try to shoot these magnum recoil/lightweight guns off a bag with no hand forward of the trigger guard you are going to see much more jump. The Sims pad helps, but you still notice it more than an 8# rifle. Start using a sling or train yourself to use a forward grip on the stock. It will really reduce the barrel jump and improve your in-field accuracy by a good amount. Also reduces the POI variance between shooting off a hard surface and a soft surface.
Here is a real well written article by Nathan Foster in regards to holding the forend; http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Hold+that+Forend.html (http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Hold+that+Forend.html)
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 11:43:28 AM
Ha! If you 270 is giving you the blues, diitch it and get a rifle you can shoot comfortably without gimmicks and crutches. You dont want a bigger kickpad cause it looks wimpy!? Poor reason. Guess you could tell folks its a spacer.
whoa easy BA, my 270 isnt giving me the blues, and i have no need for a bigger kickpad, the kick doesnt hurt or have any affect to my shoulder so there is no reason for wanting a kickpad thats why im asking about muzzle breaks for the lift i am getting from the kick back i assume a muzzle break will change this rather than just a kickpad. the reason for me saying that up above is me being sarcastic :chuckle:
Post by: haugenna on October 05, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Don't magna port it!!!
I agree with what others have said, put a recoil pad on it like Sims
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 11:57:51 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 12:11:25 PM
Post by: Bmcox86 on October 05, 2014, 12:14:25 PM
I have a palazzo break on my tikka 300 and it tamed it down a lot. I think it was $200 even for everything. Well worth it in my opinion and I haven't noticed any more noise than usual but I have only been behind it not next to it :tup:where do i find those palazzo brakes? been looking and i cant seem to find them
and not to up on getting a bigger or different P-pad cant make myself look like a you know 8)
Google palazzo gun smithing, he's located in convington right off 18 and does work out of his garage/shop. He's an old Italian that worked for beretta back in the day
Post by: MountainWalk on October 05, 2014, 12:20:56 PM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 05, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
Jackwagon! Too funny.. And buddy, I wasnt taking shots. Get a gun you dont have to alter and dump a couple hundred bucks into to enjoy or hit. Jack wagon, BA? You sure like to call names!i guess expressions cant be seen on computer screens too well, sure seemed like you were taking a couple shots and the names back were me brushing it off and going to a joke back at you and besides we are just a wagon full of jacks that like to hunt anyway right :chuckle:
and i love my tikka, love how it shoots, love the grouping and well i just love the gun i enjoy it :tup: the only complaint i have is the muzzle jump which after reading that lengthy article from RadSav it could be from when shooting from a bench there is no forarm placement on the rifle and all that and i would only notice on a bench because while shooting at barney the buck im not at a bench or typically prone with a sand bag to rest on and the last thing im gunna think about,realize, or pay attention to is the muzzle jumping. and going with a pad which would be a cheap little add on to prevent this and i will still love this gun and after the pad and personal shooting technique fixes ill have no complaints whatsoever
Post by: tbotts on October 05, 2014, 03:56:54 PM
I vote no on installing a muzzle brake.
Post by: Halo on October 05, 2014, 05:33:44 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 05, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
It's called muzzle jump and happens with " magnum" rounds that shoot fast. A muzzle break is a good way to reduce this and who cares who is standing next to you. Just don't shoot prone without putting a mat down. Lol. Lots of dirt in the eyes.
I can shoot prone all day without a mat and without issue. Again. It's all in the design of the brake. Mr. Carlock put a little time into designing the perfect brake if you ask me. Folks don't complain sitting next to me. No dirt flying. I don't wear hearing protection when hunting. I don't condone that, but I don't do it and it doesn't bother me.
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Post by: WoodlandShooter on October 06, 2014, 09:11:26 AM
with 59.5 grains of Retumbo behind a 165 grain Matrix, it barks!!
Post by: PolarBear on October 06, 2014, 09:25:21 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 06, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
I have a B.O.S.S. muzzle break on my BAR .300 win mag and HATE it! It works great for it's intended purpose but what I hate is that it is so loud that after 2 shots I cannot hear for the rest of the day! I'm not one to carry hearing protection into the woods and take the time to use it unless I am sitting in a spot glassing and have the time to do so. I machined one without the holes and the noise is reduced significantly. Unfortunately, I loaned it to a friend to try out and haven't seen it since.
Without the holes it would just be a thread protector, wouldn't it?
The BOSS opens and closes with a twist, doesn't it?
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 06, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 06, 2014, 10:00:40 AM
I have a B.O.S.S. muzzle break on my BAR .300 win mag and HATE it! It works great for it's intended purpose but what I hate is that it is so loud that after 2 shots I cannot hear for the rest of the day! I'm not one to carry hearing protection into the woods and take the time to use it unless I am sitting in a spot glassing and have the time to do so. I machined one without the holes and the noise is reduced significantly. Unfortunately, I loaned it to a friend to try out and haven't seen it since.
Without the holes it would just be a thread protector, wouldn't it?
The BOSS opens and closes with a twist, doesn't it?
Pretty much except when I machined it I made it adjustable just like the original only without the holes.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 06, 2014, 10:10:06 AM
I have a B.O.S.S. muzzle break on my BAR .300 win mag and HATE it! It works great for it's intended purpose but what I hate is that it is so loud that after 2 shots I cannot hear for the rest of the day! I'm not one to carry hearing protection into the woods and take the time to use it unless I am sitting in a spot glassing and have the time to do so. I machined one without the holes and the noise is reduced significantly. Unfortunately, I loaned it to a friend to try out and haven't seen it since.
I had an A bolt with the boss system, it came with a boss that had no holes. Same thing as you that dang thing was so loud I thought my ears were gonna bleed. I have several braked guns but that boss brake was miserable.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 06, 2014, 10:15:29 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 06, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Post by: birddogdad on October 06, 2014, 10:23:35 AM
con - noise back is increased to you, with blow back as well
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm) is the recoil table for most rifles (basic) and recoil energy in can be an issue for some big bore mag loads (yea kick like a mule!) if installed correctly, can be beneficial. This table discusses gun weight as well but that is a trade off for humping all over mountains too....
http://www.odenthalgunsmithing.com/muzzle_brake_comparison.html (http://www.odenthalgunsmithing.com/muzzle_brake_comparison.html) here is a chart discussing post install felt recoil (mostly roughtly HALF of original recoil)
its up to you but for the bigger bores, i make it a standard install or they are no fun to shoot more than a single round or two... and yes my ears ring after a muzzle braked 340 shot in field for several minutes! Have been looking into the game ears for hunting but not sold yet....
Post by: suga on October 06, 2014, 10:40:18 AM
Choose a brake, have it installed. Have a thread protector made at the same time the brake is done. If you don't like the break, remove it and put the thread protector in place and be done with it. :tup:X2
Post by: fly-by on October 06, 2014, 10:41:55 AM
Two of my AR uppers have brakes (.338 Fed, .260 Rem) and my current .308 build will not have one. None of my bolt guns have them because they are for hunting and I don't want to miss an opportunity fiddling with ear pro.
A good recoil pad and proper stock fit can get you close to the same benefit.
The suggestion of getting a thread protector is a good one. If you don't like the brake you can always sell it and just loc-tite the thread protector in place.
Post by: Roosevelt on October 06, 2014, 11:05:49 AM
Post by: mountainman on October 06, 2014, 11:59:11 AM
You are thinking the SavageI have a B.O.S.S. muzzle break on my BAR .300 win mag and HATE it! It works great for it's intended purpose but what I hate is that it is so loud that after 2 shots I cannot hear for the rest of the day! I'm not one to carry hearing protection into the woods and take the time to use it unless I am sitting in a spot glassing and have the time to do so. I machined one without the holes and the noise is reduced significantly. Unfortunately, I loaned it to a friend to try out and haven't seen it since.
Without the holes it would just be a thread protector, wouldn't it?
The BOSS opens and closes with a twist, doesn't it?
Post by: lamrith on October 06, 2014, 01:26:21 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 06, 2014, 02:37:23 PM
I have not tried one yet but I heard good things about www.killer-innovations.com (http://www.killer-innovations.com) muzzle brakes. They are local too:tup:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 06, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
I have not tried one yet but I heard good things about www.killer-innovations.com (http://www.killer-innovations.com) muzzle brakes. They are local too
Hey thanks for the plug.
The standard brake was designed for rounds based on the .308/7.62 and smaller. The brake gives a LOT of down force with the magnums, so I cannot recommend it for this application.
I would recommend a Fortis RED .308 or any Defensive Edge Brake.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 07, 2014, 09:49:36 AM
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Killer Innovations muzzle brake. They have since come out with a tapered to the rear version/option, which I like allot.
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Post by: addicted on October 10, 2014, 08:43:04 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 10, 2014, 05:49:47 PM
New idea, get a suppressor instead. Recoil reduction without killing the ears.
That's the best advice yet!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 10, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Except for price (retail and tax stamp) and maybe weightNew idea, get a suppressor instead. Recoil reduction without killing the ears.
That's the best advice yet!
Post by: b23 on October 10, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
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Did you mean weight or wait, because I'm "waiting" on three of them and the wait time is weighing heavily on my patience.;)
Post by: lamrith on October 10, 2014, 07:26:07 PM
Post by: b23 on October 10, 2014, 07:36:14 PM
Great idea but the Electronic filing hasn't worked or been up and running since early this past spring. It's been under construction and "supposedly" the Feds are reworking the e-file system and maybe it'll be back up after the first of the year.
Post by: addicted on October 11, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on October 16, 2014, 08:26:54 PM
It's called muzzle jump and happens with " magnum" rounds that shoot fast. A muzzle break is a good way to reduce this and who cares who is standing next to you. Just don't shoot prone without putting a mat down. Lol. Lots of dirt in the eyes.
I can shoot prone all day without a mat and without issue. Again. It's all in the design of the brake. Mr. Carlock put a little time into designing the perfect brake if you ask me. Folks don't complain sitting next to me. No dirt flying. I don't wear hearing protection when hunting. I don't condone that, but I don't do it and it doesn't bother me.
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I might have to look into that!
Post by: jasnt on October 16, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
New idea, get a suppressor instead. Recoil reduction without killing the ears.
:yeah:
Post by: bone collector 12 on October 16, 2014, 08:57:21 PM
so i have a tikka t3 light 270wsm, and i love the gun to death but the only complaint i have is the kick is wierd like no other 270 i have shot and maybe its just because its a short mag but it kicks up rather than the strait backish that im use to.. if you get what im trying to explain....My 30-06 tikka t3 lite has the same issue,muzzle rise!! I think it may be just the Design of the rifle
anyway... i've been thinking about a muzzle break lately and i have zero experience with a muzzle break or how they act after a muzzle break is installed so whats your guys take on muzzle breaks.. pros vs cons? is it worth it? will it deafen me and anyone around when i shoot? will it make a difference?
Post by: jasnt on October 16, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
so i have a tikka t3 light 270wsm, and i love the gun to death but the only complaint i have is the kick is wierd like no other 270 i have shot and maybe its just because its a short mag but it kicks up rather than the strait backish that im use to.. if you get what im trying to explain....My 30-06 tikka t3 lite has the same issue,muzzle rise!! I think it may be just the Design of the rifle
anyway... i've been thinking about a muzzle break lately and i have zero experience with a muzzle break or how they act after a muzzle break is installed so whats your guys take on muzzle breaks.. pros vs cons? is it worth it? will it deafen me and anyone around when i shoot? will it make a difference?
could be just because they are lite weight. More felt recoil and more muzzle hope. Lite rifles were nice to pack but I'd rather shoot a heavier rifle. Less bump and less jump jme