Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Please vote and leave your comments.
Sorry if spelling wrong ESL
Post by: bobcat on November 10, 2014, 05:03:12 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 10, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 10, 2014, 05:10:35 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 05:19:34 PM
.7mm-08 & .308. Same case different bullet size. Overall a .308 is a great round.They're all based on the .308 with different bullet diameters. So are the .243 and .338 Federal, which were left off for some reason.
Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
I didn't see any of my choices so I will abstain from voting. :chuckle:
What is your choice???
Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 05:22:02 PM
That's geting interesting :) adding 338 Fed.7mm-08 & .308. Same case different bullet size. Overall a .308 is a great round.They're all based on the .308 with different bullet diameters. So are the .243 and .338 Federal, which were left off for some reason.
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 05:24:44 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 10, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Post by: WA hunter14 on November 10, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 05:30:34 PM
Post by: Emptyhanded on November 10, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
But not the .243? I think of that as more "high mountain deer" than the 338 FederalThat's geting interesting :) adding 338 Fed.7mm-08 & .308. Same case different bullet size. Overall a .308 is a great round.They're all based on the .308 with different bullet diameters. So are the .243 and .338 Federal, which were left off for some reason.
Post by: jasnt on November 10, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
agreedBut not the .243? I think of that as more "high mountain deer" than the 338 FederalThat's geting interesting :) adding 338 Fed.7mm-08 & .308. Same case different bullet size. Overall a .308 is a great round.They're all based on the .308 with different bullet diameters. So are the .243 and .338 Federal, which were left off for some reason.
Post by: Griiz on November 10, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
Post by: Blacklab on November 10, 2014, 05:55:26 PM
Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 05:55:39 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 06:01:17 PM
Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 06:09:27 PM
Good call, but consider the .280 Rem as well. A 7mm-08 on steroids. Kimber makes the 5# mountain ascent in 280 Ackley Improved even, so it is a real contender here.Price too bitter for me. I just put one of my rifle for sale since I need little cash NOW. And I'm looking to trade or sell another one forward to Savage Lightweight Hunter.
Post by: jrebel on November 10, 2014, 06:15:32 PM
Post by: kukusya on November 10, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
You need to add .270 and 6.5 creedmoor. Either of this would be my choice.Can't add. Only 5 field available. If you can add i don't mind. Thanks.
Post by: Jingles on November 10, 2014, 06:30:32 PM
Post by: whackmaster on November 10, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Post by: Three_Oh_Eight on November 10, 2014, 06:45:28 PM
Post by: superdown on November 10, 2014, 06:47:57 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 10, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
Post by: T Pearce on November 10, 2014, 06:49:34 PM
7 RM.
I've harvested deer at ranges with a 243 that I wouldn't shoot from now that I'm older. Growing up in the "Shoots Far country" I once wanted a heavier bullet for penetration. Bullets have changed since then.
Shoot what you shoot well, and reload if you can. Match rifling twist rate to your bullet length, MFG's have different views on this.
Too light and you wont shoot it as well. Too heavy and you wont want to carry it to where the game is.
If I were to own a rifle in the state of WA after Dec 4 2014 It would be a 7-08 VS the others for deer..... But then again, There are so many great calibers.......
Post by: fastdam on November 10, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 10, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 10, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
:dunno:
Post by: floatinghat on November 10, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
Hmmm, .270 or for those ones waaaay out there 300wsm off those listed 7-08
Post by: bear hunter on November 10, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on November 10, 2014, 07:36:05 PM
Post by: mikeybuck on November 10, 2014, 08:11:12 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 10, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
I'm not sure this went the way the OP planned...
Before somebody says ".458 Win Mag", I'll suggest there isn't a best deer round out there. If there was, we wouldn't need campfires and whiskey. And I'm not ready to give up either.
This is how it worked for me, and I think it might be the same for a lot of other folks -
Start with 30-06 because that's what grandpa used and he almost always notched his tag. Decide newer or bigger is better, and go through various short action, wsm, belted magnum and one-off rifle and cartridge combos. Eventually end up with grandpa's original 30-06 with 4x scope that he bought new in 1957 and just focus on the hunting more than the rifle.
The main point is - just find a rifle you like in a cartridge you like and shoot it until you're good and confident with it. And then tell anybody who doesn't agree with you they are wrong while sitting around the campfire and sipping your whiskey.
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 10, 2014, 08:41:23 PM
:chuckle:
I'm not sure this went the way the OP planned...
Before somebody says ".458 Win Mag", I'll suggest there isn't a best deer round out there. If there was, we wouldn't need campfires and whiskey. And I'm not ready to give up either.
This is how it worked for me, and I think it might be the same for a lot of other folks -
Start with 30-06 because that's what grandpa used and he almost always notched his tag. Decide newer or bigger is better, and go through various short action, wsm, belted magnum and one-off rifle and cartridge combos. Eventually end up with grandpa's original 30-06 with 4x scope that he bought new in 1957 and just focus on the hunting more than the rifle.
The main point is - just find a rifle you like in a cartridge you like and shoot it until you're good and confident with it. And then tell anybody who doesn't agree with you they are wrong while sitting around the campfire and sipping your whiskey.
Well Spoken Young Fella! :tup: Sounds like you had a good Mentor.
Post by: T Pearce on November 10, 2014, 08:51:55 PM
What effect will Dec. 4th 2014 have on deer cartridges?If I were to possess only one firearm (long gun) The caliber I would pick today (from OP's list) would be 7-08 Rem, but maybe Gramps 06 should get out more often?
Post by: kbrowne14 on November 10, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 11, 2014, 07:14:28 AM
:chuckle:
I'm not sure this went the way the OP planned...
Before somebody says ".458 Win Mag", I'll suggest there isn't a best deer round out there. If there was, we wouldn't need campfires and whiskey. And I'm not ready to give up either.
This is how it worked for me, and I think it might be the same for a lot of other folks -
Start with 30-06 because that's what grandpa used and he almost always notched his tag. Decide newer or bigger is better, and go through various short action, wsm, belted magnum and one-off rifle and cartridge combos. Eventually end up with grandpa's original 30-06 with 4x scope that he bought new in 1957 and just focus on the hunting more than the rifle.
The main point is - just find a rifle you like in a cartridge you like and shoot it until you're good and confident with it. And then tell anybody who doesn't agree with you they are wrong while sitting around the campfire and sipping your whiskey.
Well Spoken Young Fella! :tup: Sounds like you had a good Mentor.
Well, I could have saved a pile of money and bunch of hassle if I would have just stuck with Grandpa's advice from the get-to, but you know how kids are... and especially how this kid was! :hello:
Post by: Wacenturion on November 11, 2014, 07:54:33 AM
Well, if you're going to add cartridges, you better put the 257 Roberts up there.
:yeah:
Post by: stevemiller on November 11, 2014, 08:25:15 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on November 11, 2014, 08:26:23 AM
Just My Opinion
Notice...Im not even going into what I think is the perfect one and why!!! :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on November 11, 2014, 08:26:49 AM
Post by: grundy53 on November 11, 2014, 08:30:05 AM
300 win mag with a 200 grain Accubond.My go to round! That's what I killed my bull with this year. It's also what I'm taking to Idaho next week for whitetail.
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 11, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
Post by: CP on November 11, 2014, 08:50:03 AM
.35 Whelen
12 gauge
Post by: jasnt on November 11, 2014, 04:24:22 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on November 11, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
This is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
Post by: carlyoungs on November 11, 2014, 06:10:24 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 11, 2014, 06:12:58 PM
30-06 165 gr. noslers.
I'm with you.
Post by: Dan-o on November 11, 2014, 06:23:18 PM
Fortunately, it's also THE perfect elk cartridge.
Next topic, please.
Post by: jasnt on November 11, 2014, 06:34:02 PM
yet they still get the job done. My point was simply proving you don't need 1000ft/lbs. Either one will put a hole in one side and hopefully out the other.1000 lbs is not necessary for deer. how many ft/lbs do ya spose an arrow has. They kill deer,elk, bear.
Apples and oranges. A bullet kills by causing damage to the tissue of the animal. An arrow kills by cutting through an animal causing blood loss.
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 06:46:48 PM
lol might wanna check your factsThis is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.
Post by: mkcj on November 11, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Post by: kukusya on November 11, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
Nice gun but but $$$.
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
I have a 26 Nosler on the way, we'll see.very interesting round please keep us posted
Post by: mkcj on November 11, 2014, 06:59:01 PM
I have a 26 Nosler on the way, we'll see.I've been hunting with a 1980 Mod.700 280 I figured it was time to add a little horse power, as for cost I plan to reload and the cost of Nosler brass is not bad for that round and is cheaper than some other calibers.
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 07:06:52 PM
the foot pounds of energy farce is just propaganda generated by the ammunition companies to sell ammolol might wanna check your factsThis is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.
If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 07:16:19 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 11, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
lol might wanna check your factsThis is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.
If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.
The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.
105 .532 2900 =?
Seems to work ok here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60)
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 07:46:07 PM
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
Post by: jasnt on November 11, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
lol might wanna check your factsThis is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.
If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.
The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.
105 .532 2900 =?
Seems to work ok here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60)
my 243 shoots 105's @3150 with re17
Post by: stevemiller on November 11, 2014, 08:24:30 PM
Post by: stevemiller on November 11, 2014, 08:30:42 PM
Post by: kukusya on November 11, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
In my op. We need a lot more info in this poll.Are we talking west side with lots of trees and bush ie shorter shots.East side desert long range heavy winds .you wouldnt use a scoped .338 in the bush for 50 yard shots would you?All purpose deer rifle. I'm planing to try hight hunt next season and if I don't have luck go down to w side for black tail deer. Never hunt on east side, I wish some day I know more to go hunt there. Guys I'm hunting with some times are road hunters, don't want to walk a little farder don't go to east and etc..
I consider my self a loner who try to learn by him self. I want to meet more hunters that aloud me to learn from them. But timeand money always on the way to fun.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 11, 2014, 08:50:55 PM
Consider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?
Just looked up the 45-70 on the Federal chart. They only listed a 300 grain bullet. It has 2280 lbs at the muzzle and still 1004 at 300 yards. I have personally never seen a 22-250 load that comes close to this?
A fast twist 22-250 could do it shooting 77/80's
But the barrels last less than 500 rounds :chuckle:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 11, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
lol might wanna check your factsThis is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game
There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.
This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.
If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.
The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.
105 .532 2900 =?
Seems to work ok here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60)
my 243 shoots 105's @3150 with re17
What length barrel?
Twist?
Post by: jasnt on November 11, 2014, 09:07:56 PM
Very fast.what is the twist in the rifleREM calls it 9 1/8th but I measured it at closer to 8 7/8ths. Its a 26" barrel
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
ok I stand corrected but if you compare the 220 swift to the 405 grain they're within 4 foot poundsConsider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?
Just looked up the 45-70 on the Federal chart. They only listed a 300 grain bullet. It has 2280 lbs at the muzzle and still 1004 at 300 yards. I have personally never seen a 22-250 load that comes close to this?
Post by: KFhunter on November 12, 2014, 05:51:44 PM
30-06 wins though :chuckle:
For a do it all one rifle guy shooting factory ammo this is it.
Post by: quadrafire on November 12, 2014, 06:00:47 PM
I didn't read all the crap in the middle.....Probably right on there KF. I've been thinking the same thing (killed most of mine with that) , but have been liking the .260 and 7x57 and hoping to bag something with them to change my mind
30-06 wins though :chuckle:
For a do it all one rifle guy shooting factory ammo this is it.
Post by: yorketransport on November 12, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
In an effort to follow the rules I voted 338 Federal. If there were something bigger listed I would have voted for that. :chuckle: The 338 is an easy 300 yard cartridge which will do just fine for 90% of deer hunters. Plus you never know when a monster raccoon is going to come up on you while you're out there. A 275 gr A-Frame moving at about 2400 fps out of the Federal just might save your life. :tup:
Post by: Stein on November 12, 2014, 08:42:36 PM
I didn't read all the crap in the middle.....
30-06 wins though :chuckle:
For a do it all one rifle guy shooting factory ammo this is it.
Bingo. If it is good enough to save the planet, it is plenty good enough to kill a deer. Then, you use it for any other freezer filler on the continent.
Post by: jdb on November 12, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
were gonna have to agree to disagreeWell part of the problem is that in the equation for energy velocity is squared. Think of it like this if you had a 180 grain full metal jacket 30 cal. Bullet at 3000 fps it's going to have considerable foot pounds of energy but that bullet is just going to zip right through a deer in and out little damage. Now imagine a 300 grain .45 Caliber jacketed soft point bullet at say 1800 fps it's going to have a much much lower foot pounds of energy but that bullet behind the ribs of a buck deer is going to wreak havoc. Foot pounds dosent take into account bullet design
Thankfully I don't have to hunt deer using either one of those options. The .45 example would work just fine at 1800 fps, but its going to slow down really fast and not work out well at longer distances. Your .30 example is just a waste of energy because it was not matched with the right bullet for the situation. Give me the .30 cal with a good hunting bullet and you got something.
Again I never said energy was the only thing of importance, but it is an important piece of it.
Post by: addicted on November 13, 2014, 01:54:29 AM
flat shooting but still high enough BC for long energy.
6.5's are hard to beat.
Post by: coachcw on November 13, 2014, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: kentrek on November 13, 2014, 06:39:39 AM
you wouldnt use a scoped .338 in the bush for 50 yard shots would you?
Why wouldn't you ?
Post by: gotcha on November 13, 2014, 06:39:38 PM
Post by: ing on November 13, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
Post by: demontang on November 13, 2014, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: Axle on November 13, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
If you can't use a bow or don't bow hunt, then I would suggest a 25 caliber. I like the 257 Roberts and 25-06.
:hello:
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 13, 2014, 08:02:56 PM
A Wasp Broadhead is the best cartridge. Just ask Bowhunter45. He will agree with me.
If you can't use a bow or don't bow hunt, then I would suggest a 25 caliber. I like the 257 Roberts and 25-06.
:hello:
:yeah: this poll is useless without a quarter-bore as an option :chuckle:
.25-06 is my favorite cartridge for deer.
Post by: Shane54 on November 16, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 16, 2014, 05:07:20 PM
ok I stand corrected but if you compare the 220 swift to the 405 grain they're within 4 foot poundsConsider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?
Just looked up the 45-70 on the Federal chart. They only listed a 300 grain bullet. It has 2280 lbs at the muzzle and still 1004 at 300 yards. I have personally never seen a 22-250 load that comes close to this?
I'd rather take my chances being hit with the .220 Swift in that circumstance.
The .45/70 is used as a Cape Buffalo gun with the right projectile, it looses trajectory quickly after 150 yards but those bullets do severe damage and are accurate in their grouping. And it doesn't roast up barrels like the Swift :chuckle: