Perfect deer cartridges war.

[jdb]

There is no energy behind the bullet the bullet is the energy. I'm not saying the there that foot pounds of energy don't exist I'm saying they have little to do with killing deer

[jay.sharkbait]

This is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.

There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.

foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game

This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.

lol might wanna check your facts

If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.

The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.

105   .532  2900  =?

Seems to work ok here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60

[jdb]

Well part of the problem is that in the equation for energy velocity is squared. Think of it like this if you had a 180 grain full metal jacket 30 cal. Bullet at 3000 fps it's going to have considerable foot pounds of energy but that bullet is just going to zip right through a deer in and out little damage. Now imagine a 300 grain .45 Caliber jacketed soft point bullet at say 1800 fps it's going to have a much much lower foot pounds of energy but that bullet behind the ribs of a buck deer is going to wreak havoc. Foot pounds dosent take into account bullet design

[jdb]

Consider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?

[jasnt]

This is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.

There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.

foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game

This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.

lol might wanna check your facts

If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.

The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.

105   .532  2900  =?

Seems to work ok here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60

my 243 shoots 105's @3150 with re17

[stevemiller]

In my op. We need a lot more info in this poll.Are we talking west side with lots of trees and bush ie shorter shots.East side desert long range heavy winds .you wouldnt use a scoped .338 in the bush for 50 yard shots would you?

[stevemiller]

Very fast.what is the twist in the rifle

[kukusya]

In my op. We need a lot more info in this poll.Are we talking west side with lots of trees and bush ie shorter shots.East side desert long range heavy winds .you wouldnt use a scoped .338 in the bush for 50 yard shots would you?

All purpose deer rifle. I'm planing to try hight hunt next season and if I don't have luck go down to w side for black tail deer. Never hunt on east side, I wish some day I know more to go hunt there. Guys I'm hunting with some times are road hunters, don't want to walk  a little farder don't go to east and etc..
I consider my self a loner who try to learn by him self. I want to meet more hunters that aloud me to learn from them. But timeand money always on the way to fun.

[jay.sharkbait]

Consider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?

Just looked up the 45-70 on the Federal chart. They only listed a 300 grain bullet. It has 2280 lbs at the muzzle and still 1004 at 300 yards. I have personally never seen a 22-250 load that comes close to this?

A fast twist 22-250 could do it shooting 77/80's

But the barrels last less than 500 rounds

[jay.sharkbait]

This is just my opinion, but none of the options are great for a deer cartridge. Or maybe it would be better worded to say there are much better options out there than the ones listed. I like to have at least a 1000 pounds of energy on deer, you can get away with less but I don't feel its ideal. That limits the .243 to about 300 yards, and the .260, 7-08, and .308 to about 500 yards. The .338 Fed carries a bit more energy than the others, but isn't much for a flat shooting gun.

There are many cartridges that I feel would be great. A few of them are any of the 270's, .264 win mag, .280 (preferably AI), 7mm rem. mag (along with several other 7's). These guns will reach out to 600 plus yards when necessary. There have been times when my only option for a shot has been at these longer distances, and I sure am glad I had a gun that could do it.

foot pounds of energy have zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game

This is absolutely false. Bullets need a certain amount of energy to do what they are designed to do at impact. Each bullet has a range of energy where it preforms the best. The bullets that are designed to preform at low amounts of energy usually do not preform well at close range when energy is still high. I believe the best bullet is one that will preform well at close ranges and shot out of a gun that will carry enough energy that the bullet will still preform well as long as possible.

lol might wanna check your facts

If you have some evidence that shows something that goes against many decades of conventional wisdom I would be very interested in seeing it. You truly are the first person I have ever heard say energy has zero effect on how a cartridge performs on game.

The .243 shooting 105's carry more energy than you think.

105   .532  2900  =?

Seems to work ok here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18#t=60

my 243 shoots 105's @3150 with re17

What length barrel?

Twist?

[jasnt]

Very fast.what is the twist in the rifle

REM calls it 9 1/8th but I measured it at closer to 8 7/8ths. Its a 26" barrel

[jdb]

Consider this a 22-250 has more energy then some 45-70 loads which would you use to hunt buffalo?

Just looked up the 45-70 on the Federal chart. They only listed a 300 grain bullet. It has 2280 lbs at the muzzle and still 1004 at 300 yards. I have personally never seen a 22-250 load that comes close to this?

ok I stand corrected but if you compare the 220 swift to the 405 grain they're within 4 foot pounds

[KFhunter]

I didn't read all the crap in the middle.....

30-06 wins though 


For a do it all one rifle guy shooting factory ammo this is it. 

[quadrafire]

I didn't read all the crap in the middle.....

30-06 wins though 


For a do it all one rifle guy shooting factory ammo this is it.

Probably right on there KF. I've been thinking the same thing (killed most of mine with that) , but have been liking the .260 and 7x57 and hoping to bag something with them to change my mind

[yorketransport]

This got off topic even faster than I thought it would!

In an effort to follow the rules I voted 338 Federal. If there were something bigger listed I would have voted for that. The 338 is an easy 300 yard cartridge which will do just fine for 90% of deer hunters. Plus you never know when a monster raccoon is going to come up on you while you're out there. A 275 gr A-Frame moving at about 2400 fps out of the Federal just might save your life.