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Post by: chester on August 26, 2015, 02:52:36 AM
someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Post by: huntnnw on August 26, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
Oh here we go with " your method is better than others" crap.
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Post by: huntnnw on August 26, 2015, 04:57:07 AM
your the same guy who takes others trail cams just cause they were left on public land?
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Post by: grundy53 on August 26, 2015, 05:15:07 AM
its not me its every archer over here I know.....called respect! period. You think I am short tempered? you have no idea who I am .. I am mild mannered compared to some buddies I know who bow hunt and you wouldnt want to sit in their stands.Knock it off.
your the same guy who takes others trail cams just cause they were left on public land?
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Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 01:39:04 PM
I am going to archery hunt this year and plan on going to this spot and actually hope no one is in it... if I climb up and sit in it am I an unethical hunter asking for a confrontation'? :dunno:
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Post by: vandeman17 on August 26, 2015, 01:44:45 PM
I have a question for this thread. There is a old stand in a tree in the Nanuem , been in the same tree every rifle season for the last 8 seasons (may have been there longer but I found it 8 years ago). Never seen anyone in it or around the area, doesn't look like its ever been adjusted, cleaned up etc....
I am going to archery hunt this year and plan on going to this spot and actually hope no one is in it... if I climb up and sit in it am I an unethical hunter asking for a confrontation'? :dunno:
Is it an actual stand or did they build something? Maybe climb up before the season and leave a note and then when you return, check and see if there is a response...? :dunno:
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
I have a question for this thread. There is a old stand in a tree in the Nanuem , been in the same tree every rifle season for the last 8 seasons (may have been there longer but I found it 8 years ago). Never seen anyone in it or around the area, doesn't look like its ever been adjusted, cleaned up etc....
I am going to archery hunt this year and plan on going to this spot and actually hope no one is in it... if I climb up and sit in it am I an unethical hunter asking for a confrontation'? :dunno:
Is it an actual stand or did they build something? Maybe climb up before the season and leave a note and then when you return, check and see if there is a response...? :dunno:
Its an actual stand, strapped onto the tree. I am very interested to see if someone is in it as I have always been there for rifle. It is in a spot I hit first every year and year after year there it sits....
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 26, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
I also wouldn't set in someone's stand on public land without their permission. That is piss poor ethics in my book. I realize it's public land and anyone can use it but would piss me off.
If I came to my stand and someone was sitting in it I would decide to sit right under it and hunt anyways. Did I mention that I usually get lots of phone calls while I'm hunting and I need to talk real loud fort he other person to hear me? I may even remove and take my tree steps or ladder sticks home. :chuckle:
Really is bs to use someone's stand. Kind of an unwritten rule in the whitetail world by serious guys.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I wouldn't go anywhere near a stand that's been strapped to a tree for 8+ years.
I also wouldn't set in someone's stand on public land without their permission. That is piss poor ethics in my book. I realize it's public land and anyone can use it but would piss me off.
If I came to my stand and someone was sitting in it I would decide to sit right under it and hunt anyways. Did I mention that I usually get lots of phone calls while I'm hunting and I need to talk real loud fort he other person to hear me? I may even remove and take my tree steps or ladder sticks home. :chuckle:
Really is bs to use someone's stand. Kind of an unwritten rule in the whitetail world by serious guys.
So now define the type of person that leaves a stand in a tree for 8+ years please.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 26, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
could be any number of reasons it was left there. From someone being lazy and just leaving it (same as littering Imo) to the person dying. Whatever reason I still wouldn't climb into it not knowing if the straps are still strong or they will break.I wouldn't go anywhere near a stand that's been strapped to a tree for 8+ years.
I also wouldn't set in someone's stand on public land without their permission. That is piss poor ethics in my book. I realize it's public land and anyone can use it but would piss me off.
If I came to my stand and someone was sitting in it I would decide to sit right under it and hunt anyways. Did I mention that I usually get lots of phone calls while I'm hunting and I need to talk real loud fort he other person to hear me? I may even remove and take my tree steps or ladder sticks home. :chuckle:
Really is bs to use someone's stand. Kind of an unwritten rule in the whitetail world by serious guys.
So now define the type of person that leaves a stand in a tree for 8+ years please.
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
I have also had stuff stolen on private property.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 02:17:21 PM
could be any number of reasons it was left there. From someone being lazy and just leaving it (same as littering Imo) to the person dying. Whatever reason I still wouldn't climb into it not knowing if the straps are still strong or they will break.I wouldn't go anywhere near a stand that's been strapped to a tree for 8+ years.
I also wouldn't set in someone's stand on public land without their permission. That is piss poor ethics in my book. I realize it's public land and anyone can use it but would piss me off.
If I came to my stand and someone was sitting in it I would decide to sit right under it and hunt anyways. Did I mention that I usually get lots of phone calls while I'm hunting and I need to talk real loud fort he other person to hear me? I may even remove and take my tree steps or ladder sticks home. :chuckle:
Really is bs to use someone's stand. Kind of an unwritten rule in the whitetail world by serious guys.
So now define the type of person that leaves a stand in a tree for 8+ years please.
Good point, although I am down 35 lbs since may :chuckle: I actually don't intend to sit in it just hope someone else is not in it....this thread reminded me that it was there. If I remember I will take some pics of it if someone isn't there during archery. Should probably be cut off to save the tree...
Post by: KFhunter on August 26, 2015, 02:19:02 PM
I wouldn't go anywhere near a stand that's been strapped to a tree for 8+ years.
I also wouldn't set in someone's stand on public land without their permission. That is piss poor ethics in my book. I realize it's public land and anyone can use it but would piss me off.
If I came to my stand and someone was sitting in it I would decide to sit right under it and hunt anyways. Did I mention that I usually get lots of phone calls while I'm hunting and I need to talk real loud fort he other person to hear me? I may even remove and take my tree steps or ladder sticks home. :chuckle:
Really is bs to use someone's stand. Kind of an unwritten rule in the whitetail world by serious guys.
So now define the type of person that leaves a stand in a tree for 8+ years please.
I know where several of these stands are, it's quite obvious no one using them. The grass is knee high and not a track in it. I've thought about it myself, although the game is scarce where the stand is so I'm not using it
but if I did... I'd take my own ratchet strap and cinch it up good. The tree is growing around the pegs and the chain on the tree stand. The tree is basically ruined.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 02:21:36 PM
Karma is a nasty B
Post by: KFhunter on August 26, 2015, 02:23:45 PM
Man wish I could go scouting, I'll probably not hunt this year with the closures and no ability to scout.
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 02:26:18 PM
No real hunter would sit in another man's stand! If for no other reason than a real hunter believes in his set up. No way in hell would I use an unproven set up with the limited number of days I have to actually hunt. If you haven't located a deer that you want to hunt by the time it's hunting season then you are literally hoping for a miracle. Hope is not a strategy!
Most serious hunter's (with any time) are excited to hunt their favorite spot because they actually have real proof that deer are at their spot at some point. The guy who jumps into another man's stand has NO PLAN! If he did he would walk right on by another's setup. Climbing in it would never enter his mind.
You show me a hunter who climb's in another's stand and I will show you a hunter who rarely has success.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
It just occured to me that I won't be using those stands, they're all burnt up :'(
Man wish I could go scouting, I'll probably not hunt this year with the closures and no ability to scout.
that sucks, I have been knocking on wood, rubbing a horseshoe, bought a rabbits foot and wearing the same socks for 2 weeks now hoping that a "blank" doesn't start in the area I "blank", with a thunderstorm in the forecast I will be buying another rabbit foot tonight.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 26, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
It just occured to me that I won't be using those stands, they're all burnt up :'(
Man wish I could go scouting, I'll probably not hunt this year with the closures and no ability to scout.
Like perhaps this one. It is around the Renner Lake Fire or used to be.
I could put the other photo up with the owner's name
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 26, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
The following statement applies only to archery hunter's....Gun hunter's have much more freedom of movement and typically don't take the time to meticulously make setups like tree stands. That's not a negative statement towards gun hunter's...that's just typically how they operate. I would be more mobile myself if it was more feasible with a bow.:yeah: :iamwithstupid:
No real hunter would sit in another man's stand! If for no other reason than a real hunter believes in his set up. No way in hell would I use an unproven set up with the limited number of days I have to actually hunt. If you haven't located a deer that you want to hunt by the time it's hunting season then you are literally hoping for a miracle. Hope is not a strategy!
Most serious hunter's (with any time) are excited to hunt their favorite spot because they actually have real proof that deer are at their spot at some point. The guy who jumps into another man's stand has NO PLAN! If he did he would walk right on by another's setup. Climbing in it would never enter his mind.
You show me a hunter who climb's in another's stand and I will show you a hunter who rarely has success.
Post by: KFhunter on August 26, 2015, 02:36:55 PM
It just occured to me that I won't be using those stands, they're all burnt up :'(
Man wish I could go scouting, I'll probably not hunt this year with the closures and no ability to scout.
Like perhaps this one. It is around the Renner Lake Fire or used to be.
I could put the other photo up with the owner's name
nope it's not that one, this one the tree is grown half way out the screw in steps making them pretty short to step on. That one looks fresh, I'd turn the other way if I came across that one. I'm a respectful hunter.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 26, 2015, 02:40:07 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 02:42:49 PM
The following statement applies only to archery hunter's....Gun hunter's have much more freedom of movement and typically don't take the time to meticulously make setups like tree stands. That's not a negative statement towards gun hunter's...that's just typically how they operate. I would be more mobile myself if it was more feasible with a bow.
No real hunter would sit in another man's stand! If for no other reason than a real hunter believes in his set up. No way in hell would I use an unproven set up with the limited number of days I have to actually hunt. If you haven't located a deer that you want to hunt by the time it's hunting season then you are literally hoping for a miracle. Hope is not a strategy!
Most serious hunter's (with any time) are excited to hunt their favorite spot because they actually have real proof that deer are at their spot at some point. The guy who jumps into another man's stand has NO PLAN! If he did he would walk right on by another's setup. Climbing in it would never enter his mind.
You show me a hunter who climb's in another's stand and I will show you a hunter who rarely has success.
What are your thoughts on a ground set up, no brought in materials just an area that has clearly had a makeover for someone to sit in and hunt?
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.
Post by: jkthomps on August 26, 2015, 03:05:06 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on August 26, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.
That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.
I understand your point but in the context of this thread it brought a thought to me of where is the line drawn on ethically marking public land as private property and in turn ethically using that public land? Its an endless discussion with a million different opinions, its been a slow day here at work... :chuckle:
Post by: jkthomps on August 26, 2015, 03:14:26 PM
cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.
That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.
I understand your point but in the context of this thread it brought a thought to me of where is the line drawn on ethically marking public land as private property and in turn ethically using that public land? Its an endless discussion with a million different opinions, its been a slow day here at work... :chuckle:
You make a very valid point. The reason why there are rules and regulations in place :dunno:
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 03:55:05 PM
Post by: jkthomps on August 26, 2015, 04:36:49 PM
There is no rule that states you must remove a trail camera when you leave the woods. That's ridiculous! Pack it in pack it out is in reference to garbage.
Maybe someone's camera is garbage, I know mine sucks :chuckle:
State lands differ from Federal lands and county lands. Below is WDFW public conduct rules.
Public Conduct Rules for WDFW Lands
With increases in users and types of use on WDFW lands, and after years of discussion and extensive public review, the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted new public conduct rules (Washington Administrative Code 232-13) in December 2007 to protect fish and wildlife habitats, public safety, and equal opportunity.
The rules only apply on the 900,000 acres of wildlife areas and water access sites under WDFW ownership or management.
Some of the rules are not new, but for easy reference, all are now compiled in one new chapter. They include long-standing prohibitions on dumping, littering, and discharging fireworks; and regulation of access to protect vulnerable wildlife. Others include:
•Behavior and conduct – no disorderly conduct, including abusive language, disruptions, obstructions; no possession of beer or malt liquor in quantities subject to keg registration laws under RCW 66.28.210 without a permit.
•Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip.
•Camping -- 21-day camping limit within a 30-day period.
•Campfires -- campfires only up to three feet in diameter and three feet high.
•Commercial use -- permit required for any activity where a fee is charged or where the purpose is the sale or barter of a good or service, regardless of whether profit is intended, including guides for hunting, fishing and boating/rafting; a fishing guide license qualifies as a permit to use WDFW water access sites.
•Groups -- permit required for any private or public event involving more than 30 people.
•Parking -- vehicles cannot be left unattended for more than 21 days; no mooring a houseboat, dock, or other floating occupancy structure (except floating waterfowl hunting blinds) without a permit.
•Pets -- hunters can use hunting dogs under their control, but cannot let them or other pets roam unattended; from April through July, all dogs and other pets must be leashed on WDFW lands to protect nesting wildlife.
•Target shooting – no use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, televisions, furniture and exploding items as targets; debris from targets, except clay pigeons, must be removed; no discharge of firearms within 500 feet of one of the 21 designated campgrounds; no discharge of tracer or incendiary ammunition.
•Removal of minerals, wood and artifacts from department lands – it is unlawful to remove petrified wood, minerals, fossils, wood products or artifacts from department lands unless such removal is authorized by a permit issued by the director.
•Domestic animals on department lands – it is unlawful for any person to allow domesticated animals to be unattended on, or to permit livestock to graze upon land under the control of the department without a written permit from the director. In addition to other penalties provided by law, any such person may be liable to the department for a compensatory fee of one dollar per head of livestock per day.
•Vehicles using department lands – it is unlawful to operate a motor driven vehicle on a road controlled or managed by the department pursuant to road management agreement in a manner or for a purpose contrary to posted signs or notices except as authorized by the director. Violation of this section is an infraction, punishable under RCW 77.15.230.
•Field Trial Permit - an individual or organization wishing to conduct a field trial must obtain a permit from the department.
Post by: Chet43 on August 26, 2015, 05:54:48 PM
Also I have had cameras stolen on DNR land and have heard of this happening to others but don't know if anyone has stolen any commercial tree stands
Post by: lokidog on August 26, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
Don't know about commercial tree stands but have been told home made with nails metal or hard plastic straps &/or bolts on or in DNR trees is illegal and will be removed or watched and anyone in them can be ticketed. I have never called the DNR and asked if this is true so I would check it out before going to the trouble.
Also I have had cameras stolen on DNR land and have heard of this happening to others but don't know if anyone has stolen any commercial tree stands
You can hang your homemade treestand, just can't screw or nail it into the tree.
Post by: KFhunter on August 26, 2015, 06:20:57 PM
Post by: Brad Harshman on August 26, 2015, 06:50:08 PM
It's public land, we shouldn't try to quasi privatize it with our equipment, blinds, ect.
And then theres the outlier - the campsite. I think the we can all agree that the intent of a campsite is for our temporary housing and a means to gain efficient access to public lands. Heck our State recognizes their formal campsites as an extension of the visitor's private house. So it's safe to say that a campsite is different enough from stands and blinds to be excluded from this arguement.
We're our own worst enemy.
Post by: Odell on August 26, 2015, 07:03:29 PM
cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.
That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.
I do it all the time with duck blinds.
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 26, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
This debate is long in the tooth. It's a sportsmanship/ethical debate. Think about it, if you swapped the noun "tree stand" with "duck blind" would we even have a debate? Its funny, first come first served for duck blinds, no brainer, but then with tree stands it's like we're in the wild west and everyone is ready to throw down.I agree. Comparing a camp and a tree stand is ridiculous.
It's public land, we shouldn't try to quasi privatize it with our equipment, blinds, ect.
And then theres the outlier - the campsite. I think the we can all agree that the intent of a campsite is for our temporary housing and a means to gain efficient access to public lands. Heck our State recognizes their formal campsites as an extension of the visitor's private house. So it's safe to say that a campsite is different enough from stands and blinds to be excluded from this arguement.
We're our own worst enemy.
To the OP....I have hung stands many times on public land. Never had a problem (wish I could say that about trail cams). However I padlock them to the tree with a steel cable and take the steps with me. But I leave them there knowing they might not be there when I come back.
Post by: jkthomps on August 26, 2015, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 26, 2015, 08:30:40 PM
Where was a campsite compared to a tree stand?Reply #10 I believe is where it was compared in a failed attempt to prove a point.
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
Seriously? You think those two are remotely similar?cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.
That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.
I do it all the time with duck blinds.
Post by: Seabass on August 26, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Post by: jkthomps on August 26, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
Thanks! I missed that one haha. Yeah, I agree with you on that!Where was a campsite compared to a tree stand?Reply #10 I believe is where it was compared in a failed attempt to prove a point.
Post by: Odell on August 29, 2015, 02:46:39 PM
The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.
You must not duck hunt much. Many places duck blinds are built well and those who built them feel like they own them. Some have been used by the same families and parties for generations. Heck there are blinds made from big pontoon boats worth thousands of dollars anchored and left in the potholes all season long.
And why would bag limits and perceived level of danger have anything to do with using an abandoned blind or tree stand?
It seems crazy to me that people think they can leave a stand on public land and then pitch a fit if someone finds it and uses it. Even the law makes it clear.
And for the record, I have on two occasions been in a duck blind more than 20 ft off the ground.
Post by: cbond3318 on August 29, 2015, 02:57:10 PM
Post by: jkthomps on September 04, 2015, 03:27:35 PM
I am actually heading into my Elk spot tomorrow to take a look. I will post some photos of the stand for this thread. Then maybe we can vote,climb or no climb. :chuckle:Are you back? Any photos?
Post by: Seabass on September 04, 2015, 04:24:11 PM
Do you bow hunt? Do you hunt from a tree stand?The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.
You must not duck hunt much. Many places duck blinds are built well and those who built them feel like they own them. Some have been used by the same families and parties for generations. Heck there are blinds made from big pontoon boats worth thousands of dollars anchored and left in the potholes all season long.
And why would bag limits and perceived level of danger have anything to do with using an abandoned blind or tree stand?
It seems crazy to me that people think they can leave a stand on public land and then pitch a fit if someone finds it and uses it. Even the law makes it clear.
And for the record, I have on two occasions been in a duck blind more than 20 ft off the ground.
Post by: ghostshell on September 04, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
Post by: Turner89 on September 04, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
have many times. i use a lone wolf. stash it next to tree under layers of foliage. no one will ever see it. climb and leave your bow hanger and pack hanger for a reference to climb to in the dark to keep your headlamp on minimal during darkness when you go to hunt. beats packin it day in day out. good luck!I do the same when using my climber. I usually leave it setup at the bottom of the tree. I also will sometimes leave my pack up in the tree, if im leaving at dark, and returning in the morning.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 04, 2015, 07:08:34 PM
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Post by: sled on September 04, 2015, 08:17:01 PM
thats bs bud. You are a lazy ass if you take someone's stand. Wow! Your a member here?someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Post by: Brad Harshman on September 04, 2015, 08:49:36 PM
The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.Sure you can list a million reasons why waterfowl hunting is different than big game hunting. But can you list how they're similar? We're all hunters. We all hunt wild animals, for the sake of this issue and particular arguement, we use public lands. What does this mean - we rely on a resource that we don't have immediate control over. Therefore we have to SHARE this finite resource. Is it right to stake a claim on something that isn't owned by you; like a duck blind, a 400 class bull elk, or a tree on DNR land?
I'm not advocating people to sit in another hunters climbing tree stand, don't get wrong, what I'm saying is don't create a blind on public land with the intent to keep others from using it and the area around it. Just because you lock your temporary tree stand to the base of a tree doesn't give you RIGHTS to hunting the land around it. The tree stand is yours, bought and paid for, just like a game camera, but the public land or tree it is locked too isn't.
It's unsportsmanlike to take or use others property. It's equally unsportsmanlike to attempt to privatize public land by locking your private property to it.
Sportsmanship is dieing; everyone needs to ask themselves - am I part of the solution or problem?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 04, 2015, 08:52:23 PM
This is located on public lands NF. I would say first come ,first serve.
And soon to be burned up.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 04, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.Sure you can list a million reasons why waterfowl hunting is different than big game hunting. But can you list how they're similar? We're all hunters. We all hunt wild animals, for the sake of this issue and particular arguement, we use public lands. What does this mean - we rely on a resource that we don't have immediate control over. Therefore we have to SHARE this finite resource. Is it right to stake a claim on something that isn't owned by you; like a duck blind, a 400 class bull elk, or a tree on DNR land?
I'm not advocating people to sit in another hunters climbing tree stand, don't get wrong, what I'm saying is don't create a blind on public land with the intent to keep others from using it and the area around it. Just because you lock your temporary tree stand to the base of a tree doesn't give you RIGHTS to hunting the land around it. The tree stand is yours, bought and paid for, just like a game camera, but the public land or tree it is locked too isn't.
It's unsportsmanlike to take or use others property. It's equally unsportsmanlike to attempt to privatize public land by locking your private property to it.
Sportsmanship is dieing; everyone needs to ask themselves - am I part of the solution or problem?
:yeah:
Post by: ghosthunter on September 04, 2015, 08:55:16 PM
This is located on public lands NF. I would say first come ,first serve.
And soon to be burned up.
Yeah but I switched areas.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 04, 2015, 08:56:40 PM
This is located on public lands NF. I would say first come ,first serve.
And soon to be burned up.
Yeah the logging took alot of them out but there is a couple left.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 04, 2015, 09:01:19 PM
I found a brand new one the other day in the wilderness and noticed the person cut the top of a green tree to put a stand on top of it. I reported it and he will be suprised when he gets a visit from wilderness ranger on the archery elk opener.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 04, 2015, 09:07:21 PM
And as a side note I could not wrap my head around some of the out houses I found. Some of them were better than a lot of farm pump houses.
Post by: Gobble Doc on September 04, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
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Post by: Seabass on September 05, 2015, 10:15:05 AM
You must not bow hunt from tee stands much. I don't duck hunt anymore. I also don't offer ridiculous opinions about the subject either.The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.
You must not duck hunt much. Many places duck blinds are built well and those who built them feel like they own them. Some have been used by the same families and parties for generations. Heck there are blinds made from big pontoon boats worth thousands of dollars anchored and left in the potholes all season long.
And why would bag limits and perceived level of danger have anything to do with using an abandoned blind or tree stand?
It seems crazy to me that people think they can leave a stand on public land and then pitch a fit if someone finds it and uses it. Even the law makes it clear.
And for the record, I have on two occasions been in a duck blind more than 20 ft off the ground.
Post by: Seabass on September 05, 2015, 10:24:14 AM
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Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 11:11:28 AM
someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Who is that much of a loser to sit in someone else stand? Would love someone to try that to mine.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 05, 2015, 11:50:31 AM
someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Who is that much of a loser to sit in someone else stand? Would love someone to try that to mine.
Just curious what you'd do, given that it's perfectly legal for someone to use something that you left abandoned on public land.
Why are you guys so entitled to feel that you can leave stuff out on public land and claim that land as your own?
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 03:07:40 PM
Post by: jkthomps on September 05, 2015, 03:47:58 PM
The tree stand is mine. If I park my truck on public land you going to drive it away?That is a ridiculous comparison.
Post by: chester on September 05, 2015, 04:09:46 PM
The tree stand is mine. If I park my truck on public land you going to drive it away?
Are you going to strap your truck to a public owned tree hoping an animal comes to it?if not your comparison is pretty far fetched .
And I don't know anyone saying that it's ok if your stand walks off. There is a big difference between taking something that isn't yours and what the law says about using a blind. If you find someone in it there is no legal issue and I don't see how you could make a scene over it,Move it later if you wish or make sure you beat everyone to it. If someone is walking out with it on their back it'd be a big problem and that's completely understandable.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 05, 2015, 04:31:52 PM
The tree stand is mine. If I park my truck on public land you going to drive it away?
Will you leave me the keys? :chuckle:
So, using your logic, I hereby claim units 100-130. I'm pretty sure I was there before you, so you better stay out of them. "Just be prepared for me if I see someone in my
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 06:31:09 PM
Post by: chester on September 05, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
Good luck using other peoples stands. Hope you don't run into a guy like me. :bdid:
Yep about as much as I'd hope to not run into a weed grower or tweaker with a lab who also thinks that spot on public land is theirs.
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Post by: Buzz2401 on September 05, 2015, 07:24:56 PM
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Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 07:51:21 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 07:55:37 PM
I wouldn't sit in someone else's stand. But curious to what these people that are saying they better not catch you in their stand would actually do?.
You must have never had your a$$ kicked?
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 05, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
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Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 08:05:44 PM
Nothing like a felony assault charge cause someone was sitting in your chair.
Some people don't care. Stop living in a fantasy world where Superman is gonna come save you. im not saying I would beat some guy down. People are nuts. I would just be careful.
Post by: cougarbart on September 05, 2015, 08:09:03 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 08:11:14 PM
just remember a confrontation over something minor can quickly turn into a life changing moment real easy that was never expected!
:yeah:
Post by: 2labs on September 05, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
Nothing like a felony assault charge cause someone was sitting in your chair.
Some people don't care. Stop living in a fantasy world where Superman is gonna come save you. im not saying I would beat some guy down. People are nuts. I would just be careful.
Why does Jim Harbaugh keep flashing thru my head :dunno:
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 05, 2015, 08:18:34 PM
Nothing like a felony assault charge cause someone was sitting in your chair.
Some people don't care. Stop living in a fantasy world where Superman is gonna come save you. im not saying I would beat some guy down. People are nuts. I would just be careful.
You must like winners :chuckle:
Why does Jim Harbaugh keep flashing thru my head :dunno:
Post by: 2labs on September 05, 2015, 08:19:45 PM
Post by: Brad Harshman on September 05, 2015, 08:27:48 PM
Man with such a negative attitude it's hard to sympathetc to you. Sorry that your camera was jacked, seriously sucks.
If someone is in your abandoned seat, why don't you just ask to have it back. After all it is your personal property.
Post by: 2labs on September 05, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
Post by: pope on September 05, 2015, 09:27:21 PM
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They're easier to pack than a climber and create less commotion. When Elmer Fudd encounters your tree stand, he won't know how to ascend the rope you left hanging. While hunting, you can pull up the rope and remove all visible evidence of your ascent. Any of you super-serious archery guys interested? I'll give lessons......$150 plus breakfast for two hours of instruction.
Post by: lokidog on September 05, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 05, 2015, 11:09:28 PM
But now I've got to go claim some more public land for my exclusive use.
Post by: jkthomps on September 06, 2015, 07:42:12 AM
You could keep lazy people out of your hang-on tree stand if, instead of leaving climbing sticks, you just hang a quality rope and learn to use these:This is awesome!
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They're easier to pack than a climber and create less commotion. When Elmer Fudd encounters your tree stand, he won't know how to ascend the rope you left hanging. While hunting, you can pull up the rope and remove all visible evidence of your ascent. Any of you super-serious archery guys interested? I'll give lessons......$150 plus breakfast for two hours of instruction.
Post by: fishnfur on September 06, 2015, 07:54:11 AM
How do you get down? Jump?
Post by: pope on September 06, 2015, 08:36:44 AM
How do you get down? Jump?
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Those make my back hurt just thinking about pulling myself up a tree with them.
Your legs do most of the work.
(https://tqft.net/trips/yosemite/thenose/190604-07%20Mark%20jumaring%20Pitch%2018.JPG)
You don't even need the device (called "ascenders"). You can get by with two carabiners and a special knot:
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 06, 2015, 08:41:17 AM
You could keep lazy people out of your hang-on tree stand if, instead of leaving climbing sticks, you just hang a quality rope and learn to use these:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smhc.co.uk%2Fcust_images%2Fobject%2520images%2F503.2008.1-2%2520%282%29.jpg&hash=359a414955e2873f3ed66411ec63bbcaffb07f97)
They're easier to pack than a climber and create less commotion. When Elmer Fudd encounters your tree stand, he won't know how to ascend the rope you left hanging. While hunting, you can pull up the rope and remove all visible evidence of your ascent. Any of you super-serious archery guys interested? I'll give lessons......$150 plus breakfast for two hours of instruction.
Great idea! Can't believe I haven't done this before. :tup:
Post by: pope on September 06, 2015, 08:54:36 AM
Disclaimer 2: I don't use this method. I've never had problems with stands and sticks going missing, but I don't hunt where others are likely to go.
Anybody interested in my offer for instruction, the price quoted is for up to three people....you could share the cost. The breakfast must include eggs and grits. The curriculum would include how to exit your stand (i.e., how to descend a rope). I have vast experience in rock climbing and have worked as a climbing instructor at Pierce College. I'm skilled in teaching technical subjects.
Post by: Brad Harshman on September 06, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
... I have vast experience in rock climbing and have worked as a climbing instructor at Pierce College. I'm skilled in teaching technical subjects.Now we need a philosophy instructure to teach everyone what it means to be ethical.
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
Post by: 2labs on September 07, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
... I have vast experience in rock climbing and have worked as a climbing instructor at Pierce College. I'm skilled in teaching technical subjects.Now we need a philosophy instructure to teach everyone what it means to be ethical.
Maybe we could get the lady the W.D.F.W. hired? :dunno:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 07, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
So let me get this straight? For all the guys saying how a stand and a truck or camper is totally different scenarios on public land let me ask you this. If you're gone away from your camp and I find it I can grab one of your camp chairs and sit in it and when you show up and see me there you won't be upset at all because you left your "place to sit" on public land right? If you leave your cooler on the ground I'm more than welcome to drink the beer in it to right?
:tup:
Post by: jkthomps on September 07, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
So let me get this straight? For all the guys saying how a stand and a truck or camper is totally different scenarios on public land let me ask you this. If you're gone away from your camp and I find it I can grab one of your camp chairs and sit in it and when you show up and see me there you won't be upset at all because you left your "place to sit" on public land right? If you leave your cooler on the ground I'm more than welcome to drink the beer in it to right?
First off, I can't believe I am wasting my time responding to an asinine question, but c'est la vie... beer is involved in your scenario and I can't bite my tongue. :dunno: Please read the "laws" and respond with a somewhat educated response next time, apa format would be even better. There are laws which actually prevent people from camping in public land for a certain set time frame. 7 days, 14 days, even 30 days at some places. If you setup a camp for past this time frame, then "in theory" someone could turn the camp in and it could be removed without notice to the owner. So, at this point, you are already breaking the law... The thing with blinds/deer stands is they are not in a designated camping spot, so you are already comparing apples to oranges (if you need me to explain this, I will be more than happy to do so). If you want to get into the detail of the law, a vehicle and/or a camper, trailer or 5th wheel can't even compare/come close to a deer stand or blind. The fact is you are comparing a high value item that is still being used versus a low value "abandoned" item. You are comparing items that are not abandoned, visited daily, and in designated places for those specific items. There is no place in public land that is designated for deer stands or blinds. So, when you use a deer stand, you do it in your immediate control. When you setup your deer stand and leave it to come back at an undetermined time to "claim a piece of public land as your own" you have abandoned that piece of equipment on public land and have therefore abandoned your rights to claim that piece of equipment. This is also illegal because you intentionally or unintentionally have tried to claim public land for personal use/gain. If I need to explain why this is illegal, let me know. Now, if you setup your $200 deer stand on public land and leave it for "x" amount of days, this is now an abandoned piece of equipment (littering by the way) on public land. When someone else comes along and climbs into your stand and you show up to claim your stand, the only thing you can do is ask to get you stand back. You can not physically or threaten anything at this point, but you can ask to have your property returned. If you threaten in anyway, specifically with a "weapon" in possession, or anything you do that leads to an altercation or physical altercation, you will be s.o.l and probably be calling me or your defense lawyer.
Now, to discuss the cooler full or beer. If you have good beer in your cooler and you have abandoned it, I may have to take it so it doesn't get wasted.
Moral of the story, don't compare apples to oranges, and look at the RCW for abandoned property on public land. And for those people who say "would love to see someone in my stand" or "I would kick butt if someone was in my stand" or what ever it is the internet tough guys are saying these days, I hope I am in your stand and you try to be tough :hello:
oh and sorry for the misspelling and inability to quote specific references at this point, I just got off the mountain and this was a lot to type with my thumbs. :)
Post by: chester on September 07, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
So let me get this straight? For all the guys saying how a stand and a truck or camper is totally different scenarios on public land let me ask you this. If you're gone away from your camp and I find it I can grab one of your camp chairs and sit in it and when you show up and see me there you won't be upset at all because you left your "place to sit" on public land right? If you leave your cooler on the ground I'm more than welcome to drink the beer in it to right?
Personally If your sitting in a chair no big deal to me. I've met people that way before just stopping by camp. It's not like you're rummaging through a tent or siphoning gas. I'm not all that anti social. And don't mind talking with other hunters especially if I think they might know the area .And if you drink the beer well that's just taking the bait, those aren't for me , they are to loosen lips about the area ;)
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Post by: Drifterat on September 07, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
Post by: jkthomps on September 08, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 08, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Can somebody please come up with another stupid and irrelevant comparison?
Post by: westsidehntr on September 08, 2015, 02:38:38 PM
Some of you guys are retarded. We aren't claiming the land or the freakin tree as our own. We do own the treestand tho. If someone else wants to hunt the same area, go ahead, I don't stake any claim to the land. But its a whole different ballgame if someone uses your stand.someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Who is that much of a loser to sit in someone else stand? Would love someone to try that to mine.
Just curious what you'd do, given that it's perfectly legal for someone to use something that you left abandoned on public land.
Why are you guys so entitled to feel that you can leave stuff out on public land and claim that land as your own?
I don't care what the law says, everyone knows how they would personally feel if someone used their stand that a lot of hard work was put into to find the area and pack the stand in, possibly packing bait into the area.
If someone uses someone elses stand or even defends the right to do so on a forum, it speaks volumes of their lack of personal integrity, regardless of what the law says. To compare, there is no law that says it is illegal to sleep with another man's wife. Is it morally and ethically right to do so?
I really hope you guys who would defend someone who would use someone else's stand NEVER volunteer to teach hunter's education. We don't need your "ethics" being taught to our kids.
Post by: Dan-o on September 08, 2015, 02:45:15 PM
Some of you guys are retarded. We aren't claiming the land or the freakin tree as our own. We do own the treestand tho. If someone else wants to hunt the same area, go ahead, I don't stake any claim to the land. But its a whole different ballgame if someone uses your stand.someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Who is that much of a loser to sit in someone else stand? Would love someone to try that to mine.
Just curious what you'd do, given that it's perfectly legal for someone to use something that you left abandoned on public land.
Why are you guys so entitled to feel that you can leave stuff out on public land and claim that land as your own?
I don't care what the law says, everyone knows how they would personally feel if someone used their stand that a lot of hard work was put into to find the area and pack the stand in, possibly packing bait into the area.
If someone uses someone elses stand or even defends the right to do so on a forum, it speaks volumes of their lack of personal integrity, regardless of what the law says. To compare, there is no law that says it is illegal to sleep with another man's wife. Is it morally and ethically right to do so?
I really hope you guys who would defend someone who would use someone else's stand NEVER volunteer to teach hunter's education. We don't need your "ethics" being taught to our kids.
For the record: I wouldn't use someone else's tree stand.... It is their property.
I was just curious what the internet tough guys would do. Mildly entertaining.
Post by: 2labs on September 08, 2015, 02:51:04 PM
I don't use tree stands.....but if I did it would be yours!
Someone with time and talent should make this Meme.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 08, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
Post by: westsidehntr on September 08, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
There may be a few rare cases where they are grown over and obviously been abandoned for years, but really they aren't abandoned. Use common sense people. Sheeit...
Post by: jkthomps on September 08, 2015, 03:19:11 PM
Hahahahaha awesome!
I don't use tree stands.....but if I did it would be yours!
Someone with time and talent should make this Meme.
Post by: jkthomps on September 08, 2015, 03:32:51 PM
Some of you guys are retarded. We aren't claiming the land or the freakin tree as our own. We do own the treestand tho. If someone else wants to hunt the same area, go ahead, I don't stake any claim to the land. But its a whole different ballgame if someone uses your stand.someone in it :rolleyes:...better be prepared for me if I ever see someone in one my standFirst come first serve on dnr. Don't like it don't set up on public land. Pretty simple
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Who is that much of a loser to sit in someone else stand? Would love someone to try that to mine.
Just curious what you'd do, given that it's perfectly legal for someone to use something that you left abandoned on public land.
Why are you guys so entitled to feel that you can leave stuff out on public land and claim that land as your own?
I don't care what the law says, everyone knows how they would personally feel if someone used their stand that a lot of hard work was put into to find the area and pack the stand in, possibly packing bait into the area.
If someone uses someone elses stand or even defends the right to do so on a forum, it speaks volumes of their lack of personal integrity, regardless of what the law says. To compare, there is no law that says it is illegal to sleep with another man's wife. Is it morally and ethically right to do so?
I really hope you guys who would defend someone who would use someone else's stand NEVER volunteer to teach hunter's education. We don't need your "ethics" being taught to our kids.
Sorry, I fed the fire... sometimes someone needs to play devils advocate so people get an idea of other points of views. Plus, this is way too entertaining. No reason to call anyone "retarded".
Found this photo on the internet. Thinking Smokey the bear says it is his stand if left in the woods...
Post by: Dan-o on September 08, 2015, 06:05:43 PM