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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2015, 04:36:49 PM »
There is no rule that states you must remove a trail camera when you leave the woods. That's ridiculous! Pack it in pack it out is in reference to garbage.

Maybe someone's camera is garbage, I know mine sucks  :chuckle:

State lands differ from Federal lands and county lands. Below is WDFW public conduct rules.

Public Conduct Rules for WDFW Lands

With increases in users and types of use on WDFW lands, and after years of discussion and extensive public review, the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted new public conduct rules (Washington Administrative Code 232-13) in December 2007 to protect fish and wildlife habitats, public safety, and equal opportunity.

The rules only apply on the 900,000 acres of wildlife areas and water access sites under WDFW ownership or management.

Some of the rules are not new, but for easy reference, all are now compiled in one new chapter. They include long-standing prohibitions on dumping, littering, and discharging fireworks; and regulation of access to protect vulnerable wildlife. Others include:

•Behavior and conduct – no disorderly conduct, including abusive language, disruptions, obstructions; no possession of beer or malt liquor in quantities subject to keg registration laws under RCW 66.28.210 without a permit.
   
•Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip.
   
•Camping -- 21-day camping limit within a 30-day period.
   
•Campfires -- campfires only up to three feet in diameter and three feet high.
   
•Commercial use -- permit required for any activity where a fee is charged or where the purpose is the sale or barter of a good or service, regardless of whether profit is intended, including guides for hunting, fishing and boating/rafting; a fishing guide license qualifies as a permit to use WDFW water access sites.
   
•Groups -- permit required for any private or public event involving more than 30 people.
   
•Parking -- vehicles cannot be left unattended for more than 21 days; no mooring a houseboat, dock, or other floating occupancy structure (except floating waterfowl hunting blinds) without a permit.
   
•Pets -- hunters can use hunting dogs under their control, but cannot let them or other pets roam unattended; from April through July, all dogs and other pets must be leashed on WDFW lands to protect nesting wildlife.
   
•Target shooting – no use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, televisions, furniture and exploding items as targets; debris from targets, except clay pigeons, must be removed; no discharge of firearms within 500 feet of one of the 21 designated campgrounds; no discharge of tracer or incendiary ammunition.
   
•Removal of minerals, wood and artifacts from department lands – it is unlawful to remove petrified wood, minerals, fossils, wood products or artifacts from department lands unless such removal is authorized by a permit issued by the director.
   
•Domestic animals on department lands – it is unlawful for any person to allow domesticated animals to be unattended on, or to permit livestock to graze upon land under the control of the department without a written permit from the director. In addition to other penalties provided by law, any such person may be liable to the department for a compensatory fee of one dollar per head of livestock per day.
   
•Vehicles using department lands – it is unlawful to operate a motor driven vehicle on a road controlled or managed by the department pursuant to road management agreement in a manner or for a purpose contrary to posted signs or notices except as authorized by the director. Violation of this section is an infraction, punishable under RCW 77.15.230.
   
•Field Trial Permit - an individual or organization wishing to conduct a field trial must obtain a permit from the department.

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2015, 05:54:48 PM »
Don't know about commercial tree stands but have been told home made with nails metal or hard plastic straps &/or bolts on or in DNR trees is illegal and will be removed or watched and anyone in them can be ticketed. I have never called the DNR and asked if this is true so I would check it out before going to the trouble.

Also I have had cameras stolen on DNR land and have heard of this happening to others but don't know if anyone has stolen any commercial tree stands

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2015, 06:12:56 PM »
Don't know about commercial tree stands but have been told home made with nails metal or hard plastic straps &/or bolts on or in DNR trees is illegal and will be removed or watched and anyone in them can be ticketed. I have never called the DNR and asked if this is true so I would check it out before going to the trouble.

Also I have had cameras stolen on DNR land and have heard of this happening to others but don't know if anyone has stolen any commercial tree stands

You can hang your homemade treestand, just can't screw or nail it into the tree.

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2015, 06:20:57 PM »
hemp rope  :chuckle:

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2015, 06:50:08 PM »
This debate is long in the tooth.  It's a sportsmanship/ethical debate.  Think about it, if you swapped the noun "tree stand"  with "duck blind" would we even have a debate?  Its funny, first come first served for duck blinds, no brainer, but then with tree stands it's like we're in the wild west and everyone is ready to throw down.

It's public land, we shouldn't try to quasi privatize it with our equipment, blinds, ect. 

And then theres the outlier - the campsite.  I think the we can all agree that the intent of a campsite is for our temporary housing and a means to gain efficient access to public lands.  Heck our State recognizes their formal campsites as an extension of the visitor's private house.  So it's safe to say that a campsite is different enough from stands and blinds to be excluded from this arguement.

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2015, 07:03:29 PM »

cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.

That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.

I do it all the time with duck blinds.
what in the wild wild world of sports???

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2015, 07:07:19 PM »
This debate is long in the tooth.  It's a sportsmanship/ethical debate.  Think about it, if you swapped the noun "tree stand"  with "duck blind" would we even have a debate?  Its funny, first come first served for duck blinds, no brainer, but then with tree stands it's like we're in the wild west and everyone is ready to throw down.

It's public land, we shouldn't try to quasi privatize it with our equipment, blinds, ect. 

And then theres the outlier - the campsite.  I think the we can all agree that the intent of a campsite is for our temporary housing and a means to gain efficient access to public lands.  Heck our State recognizes their formal campsites as an extension of the visitor's private house.  So it's safe to say that a campsite is different enough from stands and blinds to be excluded from this arguement.

We're our own worst enemy.
I agree. Comparing a camp and a tree stand is ridiculous.

To the OP....I have hung stands many times on public land. Never had a problem (wish I could say that about trail cams). However I padlock them to the tree with a steel cable and take the steps with me. But I leave them there knowing they might not be there when I come back.
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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2015, 08:16:51 PM »
Where was a campsite compared to a tree stand?

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2015, 08:30:40 PM »
Where was a campsite compared to a tree stand?
Reply #10 I believe is where it was compared in a failed attempt to prove a point.
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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2015, 08:35:59 PM »

cbond- I simply won't sit in a setup of any kind unless I have supreme confidence in it. That includes my own. Before trail cameras I would hang 3-5 sets. Some of them I never hunted out of because I didn't have enough confidence in the set. Usually that was based on lack of activity. Now that I have cameras...I won't hang a stand until the spot produces. If it doesn't pan out after a week or two I move the camera until it does pan. Only then would I hang a stand. If I go to the trouble of hanging a stand; it's a good one and no other stand on earth will distract me from my spot unless I have another one of equal potential.

That's my whole point. A guy who will jump in another man's stand clearly has nothing going for himself.

I do it all the time with duck blinds.
Seriously? You think those two are remotely similar?

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2015, 08:47:54 PM »
The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2015, 08:59:09 PM »
Where was a campsite compared to a tree stand?
Reply #10 I believe is where it was compared in a failed attempt to prove a point.
Thanks! I missed that one haha. Yeah, I agree with you on that!

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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2015, 02:46:39 PM »

The duck blind comparison is ABSOLUTELY ASININE!! For so many reasons I can't even begin to list. When you start buying duck blinds and hanging them 20 feet off the ground then w'ell talk. When you hunt an individual duck and can prove that.....we'll talk. When ducks start living solitary lives in heavy cover......we'll talk. When the state limits you to a single duck per season and you get 23 days to find that single duck.....we'll talk. When "hanging" a duck blind becomes dangerous.....we'll talk. I could go on and on and on with more reasons why big game hunting and waterfowl hunting have little in common beyond the description of hunting.

You must not duck hunt much. Many places duck blinds are built well and those who built them feel like they own them. Some have been used by the same families and parties for generations. Heck there are blinds made from big pontoon boats worth thousands of dollars anchored and left in the potholes all season long.

And why would bag limits and perceived level of danger have anything to do with using an abandoned blind or tree stand?

It seems crazy to me that people think they can leave a stand on public land and then pitch a fit if someone finds it and uses it. Even the law makes it clear. 

And for the record, I have on two occasions been in a duck blind more than 20 ft off the ground.
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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2015, 02:57:10 PM »
I am actually heading into my Elk spot tomorrow to take a look. I will post some photos of the stand for this thread. Then maybe we can vote,climb or no climb. :chuckle:
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Re: Tree stand on DNR land
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2015, 03:27:35 PM »
I am actually heading into my Elk spot tomorrow to take a look. I will post some photos of the stand for this thread. Then maybe we can vote,climb or no climb. :chuckle:
Are you back? Any photos?

 


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