Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
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Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 05:48:03 PM
I would turn it in, I am hoping for that option on my Dayton tag at this point. Access is terrible
I'll trade you one West Wenaha tag for one Dayton tag then you can return the West Wenaha tag! I have talked with Paul and the NF will more than likely be open in the Dayton for your hunt. From what I got talking to him all the roads and NF should be open and just the wilderness will remain closed. Even as it is right now I know where I could go in the Dayton and kill a bull with everything that is currently closed but I still think that it will all open up soon.
Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
Have you looked at the access ? Can you even get into the area, and when do you expect the area to open up ? From what i see on the maps, that is what i would be concerned about. Not all of it is burned, but can you get to it?
Right now my unit which is entirely wilderness is closed and will remain closed until they recieve enough rain to open it.
when is the deadline? have you scouted it yet? mike w
We have until the 4th to have our permits postmarked and in the mail back to wdfw which brings up another issue for me as I never recieved my permit in the mail and had to get a new license printed with my permit on it.
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 31, 2015, 06:19:16 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on August 31, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 31, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
I voted for keeping your permits, and I say go whether they "reopen" it or not. Those are our public lands they are trying to lock us the public out of. Go out there, be responsible, don't smoke and don't build a campfire. I'm really fed up with hearing about public lands being closed to foot traffic due to fire danger. Ive spent a good amount of time walking out in the woods and as of yet my feet have never started a fire
It's not closed to keep people from starting fires. It's closed to protect people from existing fires and to keep it safe for firefighters and equipment. I'm with you on the fact that it's our land but I'm not about to get in the way of firefighting efforts. There's basically one road bordering the unit and its being used heavily.
Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Honestly IMO you should not have to make the choice. WDFW should be stepping up and giving you the chance to see if your area opens. This goes for all permit tags. They are giving a permit on the bases that there is and associated area to hunt. If the area your permit is in gets closed for access and remains that way through the entire season WDFW should take your tag and give you your points back. Seems simple to me. The permit systems is selling the ability to hunt a specific area, if no area to hunt then permit is null and void.
I agree 100%. This making us choose before the hunt starts is B.S.....
I voted for keeping your permits, and I say go whether they "reopen" it or not. Those are our public lands they are trying to lock us the public out of. Go out there, be responsible, don't smoke and don't build a campfire. I'm really fed up with hearing about public lands being closed to foot traffic due to fire danger. Ive spent a good amount of time walking out in the woods and as of yet my feet have never started a fire
It's not closed to keep people from starting fires. It's closed to protect people from existing fires and to keep it safe for firefighters and equipment. I'm with you on the fact that it's our land but I'm not about to get in the way of firefighting efforts. There's basically one road bordering the unit and its being used heavily.
This isn't what I was told by the bio, he said the exact opposite in fact. He said that the Wenaha West is not closed because of danger of the current fires but it is closed because the extremely dry conditions and the possibility of the hunters starting new fires.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 31, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 31, 2015, 07:13:41 PM
Post by: Landowner on August 31, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
If it were me, I'd be thinking like a government bureaucrat. Meaning what do I think a highfalutin USFS official/DNR official will do so far as allowing hunters into an area full of burning snags, roots, and a perimeter with limited primitive roads and a lot of firefighter traffic. Remember, a "bureaucrat" will be making those decisions.
I'd be trying to talk to any meteorologists familiar with SE WA about the extended forecast. Temps, moisture and wind forecasts. The weather will be a major factor in how soon this Grizzly Bear fire will be contained. It has a lot of places to go if the weather wants to move it, and considerable staying power.
And I'd be asking the bios where the elk have been seen recently. Elk don't like fires and smoke.
Tough call. Feel for those holding permits.
Post by: jackelope on August 31, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 31, 2015, 07:46:46 PM
I'd turn it in and take my chances. I really feel bad for the Tucannon guys. Unless something's changed, those guys are pretty much screwed. Can't get into the wilderness which is where the best elk hunting is. The areas you can get into are not the prime elk areas but there is opportunity to hunt so the way I read it, there won't be the opportunity to return permits there.
Or Was.
Post by: autodink13 on August 31, 2015, 07:51:34 PM
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Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
With 8 points cold steel I think I would keep the tag though. I could see the wilderness opening up around the 15th.
That's kinda what I am hoping for, just hang on to my permit and give it hell the last week.
Post by: jackelope on August 31, 2015, 08:11:32 PM
I don't get why wdfw is making the lucky/unlucky tag holders bet if the wilderness will open or stay closed. I think everyone should assume it's going to open up and if it doesn't then get their points reinstated. I would love a Tucannon tag! Lots of good area to hunt outside the wilderness.
But can you get to those areas??
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 31, 2015, 08:22:36 PM
Grizzly Bear Complex August 31, 2015 Morning Update
Incident: Grizzly Bear Complex Wildfire
Released: 9 hrs. ago
Grizzly Bear Crews Increasing Containment
Elgin, Ore. – Yesterday’s rain was sparse over most of the fire area and did not penetrate the tree canopy. Fire will still be active, finding its way through heavier fuels. Gentle breezes and damp fine fuels will slow its ability to spread. Days are getting shorter. The “burn window” of most active fire behavior during the hottest, driest time of day now only lasts about three to four hours, down from seven hours or longer during hotter summer days.
Robert Trujillo, Agency Administrator for the Umatilla National Forest, warned crews to watch for complacency as they work to contain the 74,471-acre Grizzly Bear Fire Complex. 17 percent containment has been achieved, but hazards such as weakened trees and snags, ash pits, and driving on rough roads still exist.
Crews are scouting the Bear Ridge Fire area, constructing and improving fire line where breeches occurred along the Misery Trail system.
Contingency line construction and improvement continues on the western flank along Forest Road 64 and on the southwest flank in the Elk Flats area. A contingency route to the north from Road 4039 is being scouted. On the northeast corner of the fire, helicopters will slow fire growth up drainages, especially First Creek.
Crews continue the arduous work of increasing fuel breaks around structures and building containment lines around the fire. National Guard members will add their strength to crews in Troy and Grouse Flats, enlarging defensible space near structures and widening fire lines.
When crews mop up inside a fire containment line, they examine the soil and debris for hot spots. They expose any burning material and soak the embers. They cut down fire-weakened trees ensuring that any burned material inside is extinguished. Unburned material is pulled out of the containment line.
Due to increases in containment and moderation of the weather, at 12 noon today, the Evacuation Levels in place to the south and east of the Grizzly Bear Complex Fire will decrease. Areas currently at Level 3 (Troy, Grouse Flats, Eden Bench area) will become Level 2. Areas currently at Level 2 (Asotin county north and east of Boggan’s Oasis and Big Butte) will become Level 1. The evacuation warning has been lifted from areas that were previously Level 1. Please look at inciweb and other websites listed above to view the current (August 31) Evacuation Level map.
Post by: mburrows on August 31, 2015, 08:24:32 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on August 31, 2015, 08:42:31 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on August 31, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 31, 2015, 09:03:34 PM
Coldsteele3d , with 8 pts I would frame that permit. You got lucky and this is why I hate wa draws. Many people have max and can't draw if we had a 75-25 split like Oregon and wyoming we wouldn't worry about this hurting so bad. Because taking back points would put you into a small pool to draw from. In WASHINGTON your screwed !! Wdfw needs to change things for this reason. Give points back today and it doesn't mean squat. Give them back in a 75-25 pool +1or 2 for fire loss and it does. The only thing CRUSHING DREAMS. Is WDFW. :twocents:
Why should we hold the WDFW responsible for an Act of God? I didn't know they also controlled the weather. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 31, 2015, 09:04:42 PM
Post by: 10heiau on August 31, 2015, 09:07:42 PM
I'd turn it in and take my chances. I really feel bad for the Tucannon guys. Unless something's changed, those guys are pretty much screwed. Can't get into the wilderness which is where the best elk hunting is. The areas you can get into are not the prime elk areas but there is opportunity to hunt so the way I read it, there won't be the opportunity to return permits there.
To the OP: turn it in, my friend.
Tucannon archery tag holders: send me a PM. I'd lend a friendly suggestion.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 31, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
I say no point system at all, which I believe is what idaho has. Everyone has equal chance who buys the same special permit application. Probably sell more of them considering some of my friends don't buy in because they know they don't have a chance the first few years.
I'd go for this. New hunters may never have the chance at great tag in Oregon with their system. Bad for the long term future of hunting.
Post by: 2labs on August 31, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 31, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
I say no point system at all, which I believe is what idaho has. Everyone has equal chance who buys the same special permit application. Probably sell more of them considering some of my friends don't buy in because they know they don't have a chance the first few years.
I'd go for this. New hunters may never have the chance at great tag in Oregon with their system. Bad for the long term future of hunting.
I'm a guy who has 9 points in most categories right now as well so I have been putting in for a while so I'm not saying this because I'm a new guy to the system. I wouldn't mind if they changed it over on me I think it's the right way to do things. I also agree bad for long term. Guys can't get quite as excited when they start out knowing how slim their chances are of drawing a decent tag are with our current money grabbing system. Part of me is ashamed I play into it but that would be a lot of years wasted if I stopped now.
Post by: bobcat on August 31, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
Post by: tonymoe on August 31, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
I see them opening the 64 further, but I don't see the wilderness opening and you certainly aren't taking a left on the 46 toward godman.
Eric, with 8 pts. I'd honestly gamble
Post by: frazierw on August 31, 2015, 09:42:12 PM
Post by: autodink13 on August 31, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
I don't get why wdfw is making the lucky/unlucky tag holders bet if the wilderness will open or stay closed. I think everyone should assume it's going to open up and if it doesn't then get their points reinstated. I would love a Tucannon tag! Lots of good area to hunt outside the wilderness.
But can you get to those areas??
Yes assuming the roads open back up.
Post by: JWEBB on August 31, 2015, 09:53:30 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on August 31, 2015, 10:03:33 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 31, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
With 8 points I would roll the dice! That same weather system that's bringing snow to the cascades this week is gonna hit the blues too! It's gonna get real cold up there in Acouple days!I dont know what weather forcast your looking at but as far out as accuweather goes there is at most .05in of rain. So basically just a sprinkle. Lows in the High 40's. I dont see snow, let alone enough rain to make a huge improvement fire wise.
Post by: coldsteel3d on August 31, 2015, 10:22:09 PM
I'll be turning my west wenaha permit in. With max points, I'm not gambling on something I have no control over. At last check, the road is closed at the snow park across from bluewood.
I see them opening the 64 further, but I don't see the wilderness opening and you certainly aren't taking a left on the 46 toward godman.
Eric, with 8 pts. I'd honestly gamble
I'm leaning towards it Tony, but if I had your points it would be a no brainer! But if I keep my permit and I they end up opening it you're more than welcome to come hunt with me!
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 01, 2015, 12:14:04 AM
thats what I looked at, if it's rain and 45 in pomeroy it's snow up top but who knows, it probably won't but never know in the mountains..With 8 points I would roll the dice! That same weather system that's bringing snow to the cascades this week is gonna hit the blues too! It's gonna get real cold up there in Acouple days!I dont know what weather forcast your looking at but as far out as accuweather goes there is at most .05in of rain. So basically just a sprinkle. Lows in the High 40's. I dont see snow, let alone enough rain to make a huge improvement fire wise.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on September 01, 2015, 01:18:12 AM
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Post by: coldsteel3d on September 01, 2015, 11:47:52 AM
Is the fire 100% contained? If no unfortunately you really have very limited options and would just gamble with your points. Without the fire being contained I doubt they would let anybody in. Very tough decision your in but Imo turn in your points.
No the fire is only17% contained but that is a huge improvement over what it was 3 days ago and their firelines seem to be holding really well with the cooler temps and higher humidity so I would expect the containment % to start to rapidly rise, I really wouldn't be that surprised if it were near 100% by the end of the week but only time will tell.
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 01, 2015, 12:01:36 PM
Id turn it in. Even if they do open it up alot of the elk will have already scattered and moved out of the unit. I could also imagine quite a few elk have gotten killed in the fire. I would rather wait a few years to hopefully draw again when the fire pressure wasn't on the animals than lose my points.
Yeah but the fire hasn't been burning in the Wenaha West so possibly elk have been pushed from the East into the West? :dunno: That could make for a pretty exciting hunt! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 01, 2015, 01:53:40 PM
I don't think the decision makers are concerned about the hunt. They are concerned about safety of the personnel fighting fire or supporting fire fighters. I see almost no chance of the Wilderness opening up or you having access to it in the next 3 weeks.
Sucks bad. Like I said, I'd about die from turning in that tag. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I'd really die, if I turned in that tag and then the Wilderness opened and I had access to it for a couple days....Hating to be you right now and I don't hate much. Sorry. Just plain and simple, this sucks, sorry.
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 01, 2015, 02:37:26 PM
I'd wait until the last day to decide, but if nothing changes, I'd turn it in and then just about die from having done so! Odds of drawing again are junk, but having 81 names in the hat next year is better than 1 name in the hat.
I don't think the decision makers are concerned about the hunt. They are concerned about safety of the personnel fighting fire or supporting fire fighters. I see almost no chance of the Wilderness opening up or you having access to it in the next 3 weeks.
Sucks bad. Like I said, I'd about die from turning in that tag. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I'd really die, if I turned in that tag and then the Wilderness opened and I had access to it for a couple days....Hating to be you right now and I don't hate much. Sorry. Just plain and simple, this sucks, sorry.
We cant wait till the last day, they have to be post marked no later then the 4th to recieve our points back. East tag like I have, its going back. West Tag I would probably gamble as I think there is a better chance of that section opening then the East.
According to the Forest Service guy I talked to today, he said in good faith that he doubts the Wilderness opens at anytime during Sept.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 01, 2015, 02:42:51 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 01, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
I didn't mean to wait until the last day of the hunt; that wouldn't be fair and the Department requires us to choose before the hunt starts. I means to wait until the last day possible to choose--the 4th. Not surprised that the FS guy says the Wilderness is unlikely to open.I see, yep im not a gambling type of guy. I would like to know tho how many guys that are saying to keep it and gamble are actual archery hunters.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 01, 2015, 03:11:50 PM
Post by: gaddy on September 01, 2015, 03:21:37 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 01, 2015, 03:28:02 PM
I hunt archery and have "wasted" 11 points trying to draw the West, East, and Tucannon tags (different choices in different years). Its not easy to say whether I'd turn it in or not and I don't even have a tag forcing me to choose! The disappointment I felt when i didn't get drawn (again) has now turned to relief. I'll still be trying to draw those tags for the next several years. Someday I'll get too old to do the hunt justice and will have to choose a different area. Or maybe I'll give up on retirement and buy the Governor's tag. Haven't fully decided which one would be better.
This is true for ALOT of people. All of those units you better be in damn good shape.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 01, 2015, 05:02:56 PM
Post by: Branden on September 01, 2015, 09:22:12 PM
Post by: JWEBB on September 01, 2015, 09:25:09 PM
Id turn it in. Even if they do open it up alot of the elk will have already scattered and moved out of the unit. I could also imagine quite a few elk have gotten killed in the fire. I would rather wait a few years to hopefully draw again when the fire pressure wasn't on the animals than lose my points.
Yeah but the fire hasn't been burning in the Wenaha West so possibly elk have been pushed from the East into the West? :dunno: That could make for a pretty exciting hunt! :IBCOOL:
Thats a good point. You might be on to something :)
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 01, 2015, 10:45:11 PM
Id turn it in. Even if they do open it up alot of the elk will have already scattered and moved out of the unit. I could also imagine quite a few elk have gotten killed in the fire. I would rather wait a few years to hopefully draw again when the fire pressure wasn't on the animals than lose my points.
Yeah but the fire hasn't been burning in the Wenaha West so possibly elk have been pushed from the East into the West? :dunno: That could make for a pretty exciting hunt! :IBCOOL:
Thats a good point. You might be on to something :)
Yeah just imagine if all those bulls pushed into the West and they opened it around the 16th and I was the only person holding a bull permit still!!!! It could possibly be the best hunt ever! :chuckle:
Post by: JoeE on September 01, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
Post by: JWEBB on September 01, 2015, 11:19:20 PM
Id turn it in. Even if they do open it up alot of the elk will have already scattered and moved out of the unit. I could also imagine quite a few elk have gotten killed in the fire. I would rather wait a few years to hopefully draw again when the fire pressure wasn't on the animals than lose my points.
Yeah but the fire hasn't been burning in the Wenaha West so possibly elk have been pushed from the East into the West? :dunno: That could make for a pretty exciting hunt! :IBCOOL:
Thats a good point. You might be on to something :)
Yeah just imagine if all those bulls pushed into the West and they opened it around the 16th and I was the only person holding a bull permit still!!!! It could possibly be the best hunt ever! :chuckle:
You got that right! :chuckle:
Post by: tonymoe on September 02, 2015, 06:07:33 AM
Also, to the comment about "the west hasnt really burned, so they may open that side up first"
That's true about the burn area, but they aren't going to open up a section of the wilderness, the wilderness will be closed as a whole, not partial. At least, that's what I was told by a few umitilla natnl forest people. But I don't know who to believe anymore.
Post by: Branden on September 02, 2015, 07:05:07 AM
That's true about the burn area, but they aren't going to open up a section of the wilderness, the wilderness will be closed as a whole, not partial. At least, that's what I was told by a few umitilla natnl forest people. But I don't know who to believe anymore.
I agree. I think it will take a lot of rain for them to open the wilderness up.
I also heard Tucannon hunters have the option of keeping the tag or regaining points like the Wenaha hunters now.
Post by: autodink13 on September 02, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
That's true about the burn area, but they aren't going to open up a section of the wilderness, the wilderness will be closed as a whole, not partial. At least, that's what I was told by a few umitilla natnl forest people. But I don't know who to believe anymore.
I agree. I think it will take a lot of rain for them to open the wilderness up.
I also heard Tucannon hunters have the option of keeping the tag or regaining points like the Wenaha hunters now.
So are u holding on to your tag or turning it in?
Post by: JustinC on September 02, 2015, 12:10:28 PM
That's true about the burn area, but they aren't going to open up a section of the wilderness, the wilderness will be closed as a whole, not partial. At least, that's what I was told by a few umitilla natnl forest people. But I don't know who to believe anymore.
I agree. I think it will take a lot of rain for them to open the wilderness up.
I also heard Tucannon hunters have the option of keeping the tag or regaining points like the Wenaha hunters now.
So are u holding on to your tag or turning it in?
We are still deciding. Doesn't look like we will get any rain, and I doubt the wilderness is going to open at all in September. With no access to the wilderness, this is hardly the hunt we all applied for. I'm glad the state stepped up and gave us hunters the choice.
Post by: tonymoe on September 02, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
So are u holding on to your tag or turning it in?
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I have max points, I can't gamble like that. I'll be turning mine in at the latest time possible.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 02, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 02, 2015, 12:41:36 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
Grizzly Bear Complex September 2 Morning Update
Incident: Grizzly Bear Complex Wildfire
Released: 8 hrs. ago
Southwest Corner of Grizzly Complex Cooled Down by helicopter water drops yesterday in Wenaha drainage
Elgin, Ore. – Fire managers are keeping an eye on the southwest corner of the 74,496-acre Grizzly Bear Complex Fire as dry, large ground fuels keep the fire burning to the west through the Wenaha drainage. A dozer- created fire line along FR 6415 from the 62 Road to the edge of the wilderness north of Elk Flat has been prepared to stop movement of the fire to the south and air attack and helicopters flew over the area yesterday, reporting fire movement and cooling the fire down with water drops.
A 10-person fire-use module has moved into a spike camp at the southwest corner of the Bear Ridge Fire burning a mile north of the main body of the Complex. The module is monitoring the fire that has an established fire line along its western perimeter. Infrared flights over the 935-acre fire continue to show heat along its southeast leg. Fire lines are preventing movement south of the Misery Trail. The fire is zero percent contained.
Crews continue to protect cabins in the Slick Ear and Little Turkey area. Eight miles of fire line along the 64 Road from the north along the western boundary of the Wilderness are prepared with four more miles left to go.
The fire burning along the eastern edge of the Complex north of Grouse Flats continues to move to the northeast toward a prepared dozer line at the Wilderness boundary. Hand line is being built up Driveway Ridge to connect with FR 40. Small burnouts and water drops along the fire front there are slowing the fire down before it reaches these fire lines.
Along the southern perimeter of the Complex, fire lines are being mopped up with the support of 305 members of the Oregon National Guard. Firefighters that have been working on the Complex for nearly two weeks are being encouraged by fire officials to get an extra hour or two of rest at night, if possible, to help reduce fatigue.
Heavy equipment and firefighters will continue today to improve and brush out the 64 Road from the south along the western perimeter of the Wilderness to meet that being constructed from the north. Branch officials estimate another 6 to 7 days to complete that fire line.
Unit Information
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/4511/28919/
Post by: Timberstalker on September 02, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
I swore inciweb showed it at 5-10% last week? Must have jumped the confinement lines? :bash:
Post by: MichaelD on September 02, 2015, 05:22:10 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 02, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 02, 2015, 05:26:23 PM
0% contained??Bear ridge is a separate, smaller fire.
I swore inciweb showed it at 5-10% last week? Must have jumped the confinement lines? :bash:
Post by: Timberstalker on September 02, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
0% contained??Bear ridge is a separate, smaller fire.
I swore inciweb showed it at 5-10% last week? Must have jumped the confinement lines? :bash:
I read the bold portion and didn't read it all. Glad I misread it!
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 02, 2015, 08:02:49 PM
AN EARLY AUTUMN LIKE WEATHER SYSTEM IS SETTLING OVER THE REGION
AND WILL REMAIN THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF THE LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
THIS WILL LEAD TO UNUSUALLY COOL CONDITIONS THROUGH THIS PERIOD
WITH HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE COLUMBIA BASIN IN THE UPPER 60S TO
MID 70S WHILE THE MOUNTAINS WILL SEE 50S AND 60S. OVERNIGHT LOW
TEMPERATURES WILL ALSO BE COOL WITH 40S IN THE BASIN AND UPPER 20S
AND 30S IN THE MOUNTAINS.
A COLD FRONT WILL BE SLOW TO EXIT THE REGION OVERNIGHT AND EARLY
THURSDAY BRINGING A CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION TO THE FAR EASTERN
MOUNTAINS. THE BEST CHANCE FOR A MORE WIDESPREAD RAIN WILL COME
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AS THE HEART OF THE COLD AIR MOVES OVER THE
FORECAST AREA. PRECIPITATION TOTALS OF A QUARTER TO HALF AN INCH
WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH SOME MOUNTAINOUS AREAS RECEIVING UP TO AN
INCH. SNOW LEVELS DURING THIS TIME WILL LOWER TO AROUND 6500 FEET
WHICH MEANS THERE COULD BE A DUSTING OF SNOW IN THE HIGHER
ELEVATIONS OF THE WALLOWA, ELKHORN, STRAWBERRY AND CASCADE
MOUNTAINS.
THOSE PLANNING OUTDOOR ADVENTURES SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THE
COOLER CONDITIONS AND THE PRECIPITATION.
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 04, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 04, 2015, 01:13:34 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on September 04, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 04, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
Any last minute words of wisdom on whether to keep it or not? I've only got a couple hours before I have to choose! I have no idea what to do. :bash: I know they can get an inch or more out of the system moving in there today and tomorrow but do you think that they will truly open the wilderness if they get 2" of rain or do you think it will remain closed?
Spruce Springs SnoTel reports 1.4" of rain in the last week at that station. Touchet SnoTel (near BlueWood) reports only .6" of rain in the past week. Those are the 2 closest reporting stations. I don't know of better actual rain intel than that. Predicted rain reported by NOAA for tonight through Saturday night is predicted between .25" and 1.1" of rain for your permit area.
Post by: nwhunter on September 04, 2015, 03:47:43 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on September 04, 2015, 03:51:33 PM
Even if they get the weather to put the fires out ,which is highly unlikely , the safety issues with falling trees and everything else makes it highly unlikely the wilderness will reopen in sept. It would kill me but I would turn it in if it were me. Sorry man
That what FS told me here in Montana
The snow will put the fire completely out
Even if its same as far as fire goes the FS won't open it for liability seasons: falling trees, flare ups, and what not
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 04, 2015, 04:11:28 PM
Even if they get the weather to put the fires out ,which is highly unlikely , the safety issues with falling trees and everything else makes it highly unlikely the wilderness will reopen in sept. It would kill me but I would turn it in if it were me. Sorry manIf thats the case it will never open up ever! :dunno:
Post by: LittleJohn on September 04, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
Even if they get the weather to put the fires out ,which is highly unlikely , the safety issues with falling trees and everything else makes it highly unlikely the wilderness will reopen in sept. It would kill me but I would turn it in if it were me. Sorry manIf thats the case it will never open up ever! :dunno:
After the fire is all out and a couple good fall storm fronts come through (Oct/Nov) They feel better about opening it.
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 04, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 04, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 04, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
Wow....so I just got some more info that hugely impacts my decision. So I am keeping my permit. So if you mail it in today you are guarenteed your points back but if you keep your permit and they don't open it you will still get your points back at the end of the season. But if they open it for even 1 day you lose your points.Good luck man. :tup:
Post by: nwhunter on September 04, 2015, 05:55:04 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 04, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 04, 2015, 06:47:13 PM
So what your saying is if you mail it your not guaranteed your pts back kind of a contradicitve statement
No.....what I am saying is if you mail it postmarked by today you are guaranteed your points back, if you keep it like I did they are gonna open the wilderness on or about the 15th and I am gonna have the entire West Wenaha to myself full of rutting bulls! :chuckle: And if they end up not opening it by the 24th I will get my points back as well. But even if they open it on the last day of the hunt I will lose my points.
Post by: coachcw on September 04, 2015, 08:22:05 PM
Post by: nwhunter on September 04, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: coldsteel3d on September 04, 2015, 11:19:06 PM
Sure hope everybody got that same info before they made their decisions.
Yeah I didn't find out until 4:00 tonight.
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