Post by: WAPatriot on December 03, 2015, 03:08:44 PM
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Post by: DRobnsn on December 03, 2015, 03:14:58 PM
https://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/diseaseEchinococcusWolves.pdf
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on December 03, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2015, 05:23:23 PM
Without any research, sounds made up and awfully resembles scare tactics propaganda.
It's not made up, it is real, and yes it's used for scare tactics propaganda. I'm amazed people are not informed about this, we have wolves in Washington and people should know what this is, how to avoid it and recognize when their harvested animal has it.
Post by: npaull on December 03, 2015, 05:26:29 PM
"Extreme danger" is an enormous overstatement, though. Makes it sound like Ebola or something. It is certainly NOT "extremely dangerous."
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2015, 05:29:36 PM
It's real, it can be a problem, you should be careful.
"Extreme danger" is an enormous overstatement, though. Makes it sound like Ebola or something. It is certainly NOT "extremely dangerous."
:yeah: That's the propaganda portion :chuckle:
What concerns me the most is pets eating deer/elk carcasses from successful hunters or finding road kill, and then dropping eggs all over the yard for kids to get into.
This will be more and more prevalent as time goes on and the predator/prey worm cycle is fully resolved.
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on December 03, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 03, 2015, 05:59:52 PM
Post by: clockwork on December 04, 2015, 11:52:19 AM
gotta be judicious with propaganda or pretty soon people stop taking you serious.
Post by: WAPatriot on December 04, 2015, 11:57:38 AM
Post by: JLS on December 04, 2015, 12:02:27 PM
Bottom line, wear gloves and use your head.
https://www.avma.org/public/Health/Pages/Disease-Precautions-for-Hunters.aspx
Post by: huntnphool on December 04, 2015, 12:03:46 PM
I think it's beyond ridiculous that we have to deal with some infectious life threating disease brought here and spreading by worthless vermits.
Shouldn't this be moved to the politics section? :rolleyes:
Post by: gramps on December 14, 2015, 07:31:13 PM
I got a copy from him at the Wash. State Trapper's meeting a few years ago. He will send you one if you contact him.
I have his email if any one wants to PM me, I will pass it along to you.
Scientifically written and documented, but interesting.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
Did some research, they are in fact dangerous for humans.
“It is a silent killer,” Acker said. Humans can unknowingly carry the cysts for 20 years until it becomes critical. When cysts rupture, the person enters anaphylactic shock and dies within 10 minutes, Acker said.
Works cited: http://www.powelltribune.com/news/item/12178-‘the-wolf-tapeworm’
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 15, 2015, 06:08:15 AM
I don't know about you guys but I clean my elk the gutless method. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we have to deal with some infectious life threating disease brought here and spreading by worthless vermits. Kill um all. Now that bears are in hibernation magic meats can be used with little incidental casualties.When one of your " magic meats" kills one of my dogs you will have hell to pay. You should think about what you say/do a bit more carefully.
Post by: wolfbait on December 15, 2015, 08:44:50 AM
I don't know about you guys but I clean my elk the gutless method. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we have to deal with some infectious life threating disease brought here and spreading by worthless vermits. Kill um all. Now that bears are in hibernation magic meats can be used with little incidental casualties.When one of your " magic meats" kills one of my dogs you will have hell to pay. You should think about what you say/do a bit more carefully.
Really wacoyote? Maybe you should do as the greenies say: Keep you dogs in the house
If WDFW would have been honest/or were honest now, there probably wouldn't be a need for public wolf control using recipes.
Post by: JLS on December 15, 2015, 08:51:06 AM
I don't know about you guys but I clean my elk the gutless method. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we have to deal with some infectious life threating disease brought here and spreading by worthless vermits. Kill um all. Now that bears are in hibernation magic meats can be used with little incidental casualties.When one of your " magic meats" kills one of my dogs you will have hell to pay. You should think about what you say/do a bit more carefully.
Really wacoyote? Maybe you should do as the greenies say: Keep you dogs in the house
If WDFW would have been honest/or were honest now, there probably wouldn't be a need for public wolf control using recipes.
That's quite possibly the most asinine and ridiculous comment I've ever read from you, and re-affirms what I think, that you really could care less about hunting.
Post by: AspenBud on December 15, 2015, 09:31:52 AM
I don't know about you guys but I clean my elk the gutless method. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we have to deal with some infectious life threating disease brought here and spreading by worthless vermits. Kill um all. Now that bears are in hibernation magic meats can be used with little incidental casualties.When one of your " magic meats" kills one of my dogs you will have hell to pay. You should think about what you say/do a bit more carefully.
Really wacoyote? Maybe you should do as the greenies say: Keep you dogs in the house
If WDFW would have been honest/or were honest now, there probably wouldn't be a need for public wolf control using recipes.
That's quite possibly the most asinine and ridiculous comment I've ever read from you, and re-affirms what I think, that you really could care less about hunting.
Agreed. One of the fastest ways to divide and lose support from fellow hunters is to start killing their dogs with poison and illegally set traps. Arguably most hunters with dogs have more to fear, and lose, from wolves than anyone else out in the field. They can put a dollar and time amount on the loss in addition to any emotion that goes with it. You know, like a rancher and a cow.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 15, 2015, 09:38:23 AM
As it turns out I'm in the woods with my dogs today looking for a lion for the state.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2015, 09:46:34 AM
Wolfbait isn't a hunter, his comment doesn't surprise me a bit.Hope your making them pay you.
As it turns out I'm in the woods with my dogs today looking for a lion for the state.
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Post by: AntlerHound on December 15, 2015, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 15, 2015, 07:17:19 PM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 15, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
Some ahole has been dropping poisoned hot dogs in the CDA's. What kind of moron would even think that a wolf would eat a F'ing hot dog???
Post by: WAPatriot on December 16, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
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Post by: Special T on December 16, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
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Post by: Special T on December 16, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
I personally think releasing a pack on the Samamish Plateau would make a bigger difference.
The system is not concerned with what we think because its not being run from a sportsmens perspective.
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Post by: WAPatriot on December 16, 2015, 03:41:03 PM
You high? No I lost a dog that ran off on a rabbit trail and was a dumb young pup. More likely that it was ran over by a car than eaten by a wolf. Maybe a coyote ate him, should I poison every neighborhood dog in vengeance?
I thought you live in area where wolves live. You cannot deny that if a wolf sees a young dog its snack time.
Post by: WAPatriot on December 16, 2015, 03:44:35 PM
First off I dont think individuals poisoning is the answer. Mostly because its not effective @ making a big difference because it has to be done illegally and in a less that organised manner. Just like the 3s method. It makes you feel better but has a small impact overall.
I personally think releasing a pack on the Samamish Plateau would make a bigger difference.
The system is not concerned with what we think because its not being run from a sportsmens perspective.
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Small impacts individually but can be huge as a whole. A little here a little there goes a long ways
Post by: Special T on December 16, 2015, 03:50:28 PM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on December 16, 2015, 03:54:58 PM
You high? No I lost a dog that ran off on a rabbit trail and was a dumb young pup. More likely that it was ran over by a car than eaten by a wolf. Maybe a coyote ate him, should I poison every neighborhood dog in vengeance?
I thought you live in area where wolves live. You cannot deny that if a wolf sees a young dog its snack time.
No there are no wolves currently living in or very near Medical Lake. There is a house on every 20-40 acres.
Of course a wolf would eat a beagle pup. So would a coyote and there are dozens of them. I'm more worried that he was shot by the psycho down the road who kills every "stray" that he sees.
Post by: AspenBud on December 16, 2015, 04:01:30 PM
The responce you hear from WaPatriot is a direct result of how sportmen and rancher have been treated by this state.
Aren't hunters with hounds and bird dogs also sportsmen?
Arguably they have far more skin in the game than the average hunter when they put a dog on the ground, especially in wolf country. You can attempt to do something about a predator attacking a dog if you're in range. Poison? There is nothing you can do against that.
Post by: JJB11B on December 16, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Post by: AspenBud on December 16, 2015, 04:03:27 PM
You have to be ignorant to think that magic meatballs don't work.
That's actually a matter of some debate. Wolves are smarter than coyotes and given how hard they can be to trap it's not unfair to assume that once they wise up to human related scents they stay away from human created items like store bought meat. Remember, these are animals that have been documented as having split up to obfuscate the scent for hounds chasing them.
Post by: Special T on December 16, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
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Post by: WAPatriot on December 16, 2015, 04:10:46 PM
I personally thing organised wholesale poisening, trapping arial gunning would be the way to go. Informing the public that we are at war with these wolves from the McKenzie valley. Unfortunatly my way of thinking has very little support.
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You know where my vote would be. Don't know about some of the other guys chiming in and I have 3
Labs for everyone who says I don't have a dog in the fight.
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2015, 05:03:42 PM
So far I think it's mostly grumbling and suggestive talk; I haven't seen nor heard of dead coyotes, wolves or scores of dead birds surrounding any carcasses.
I will say I've had some 'beat around the bush' whispered warnings to not let my bird dog get into any carcasses. I keep her pretty close, but if she came across a magic meatball I'd be out a dog because she'd have that scarfed up so quick I wouldn't know what it was if I even seen her eat it, and it's not like someone is going to hang around and let me know they put that meatball there. Not sure how some of you fella's posting are going to exact revenge on someone tossing meatballs out the window :dunno:
Bird dogs are a lot less risk than noisy hounds on a chase from direct wolf conflict, but higher risk for poisoning.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 16, 2015, 08:19:02 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 16, 2015, 10:00:54 PM
Not sure how some of you fella's posting are going to exact revenge on someone tossing meatballs out the window :dunno:
I would be very proactive in this circumstance. If I hear anyone is poisoning in an area I hunt I will make contact with them immediately.
WApatriot, did you seriously just suggest that I muzzle my hounds?!? HOW ABOUT IGNORANT REDNECKS DONT LEAVE POISON IN THE WOODS INSTEAD?!? My hounds are at enough risk when they work; I should not have to worry about some idiot leaving laced meat in the woods.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 17, 2015, 01:19:07 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 17, 2015, 01:57:17 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 17, 2015, 02:03:48 AM
FYI - Since wolves have come to Washington I have found what appeared to be hydatid cysts on moose liver. I had never seen the cysts before wolves came to Washington. The problem is that wolves are a perfect host to the worms and spread the eggs widely. Foreyt's study on wolf carcasses indicated that 2/3 of wolves in ID/MT are infected. Where did our wolves come from? Yes, many came from Idaho so no wonder, and it's likely that canadian wolves have the same infection rate so any wolves from there that moved in are likely spreading the worm widely too!
Wow so they not only slaughter the game but they also infect them. I haven't heard anyone mention the probability of livestock being infected? Also I read that if your dog rolls around in the feces like some do, then that's how the eggs can be transferred to humans. So if your pup is rolling around in wolf poop look out...
Post by: bearpaw on December 17, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on December 17, 2015, 07:07:38 AM
FYI - Since wolves have come to Washington I have found what appeared to be hydatid cysts on moose lungs & liver. I had never seen the cysts before wolves came to Washington. The problem is that wolves are a perfect host to the worms and spread the eggs widely. Foreyt's study on wolf carcasses indicated that 2/3 of wolves in ID/MT are infected. Where did our wolves come from? Yes, many came from Idaho so no wonder, and it's likely that canadian wolves have the same infection rate so any wolves from there that moved in are likely spreading the worm widely too!
Man I knew this was bad but 2/3 of these worthless varmits are infected. Bear paw thank you for your first hand experience, advice, and graphic photo regarding hydatid cysts. I am very concerned cause normal when I hunt I don't look at lungs freaks me out. Heart breaking to here about loss of moose. Wolves have only been around in great numbers for a short period of time I am worried soon many more elk deer and moose will get infected and have no use to hunters. What the wolves aren't killing they are infecting.
Post by: Special T on December 17, 2015, 07:36:03 AM
Those who advocate illegal poisoning or even passively suggest it is an acceptable response to disappointment in how the state handles wolves are ignorant and do more damage to hunting long-term in this state than wolves ever could.
Damage has been done before this issue. Antis and ignorant people who took away trapping and hound hunting. Supported by ignoramuses at the wdfw who think coyote hunting should be limited to 22cal rifles and bird shot.
This current issue is a symptom of the problem not the actual problem.
Post by: wolfbait on December 17, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
SEPTEMBER 30, 2014 BY WILL N. GRAVES
1. Diseases, Worms, and Parasites. I was surprised that the DEIS (Draft Environmental Impact Statement) did not make a detailed study on the impact issue of diseases, worms, and parasites (page 9). I believe an EIS is not complete without a detailed study covering the diseases, worms and parasites that wolves would carry, harbor, and spread around in YNP (Yellowstone National Park) and in Idaho. The study should cover the potential negative impact of these diseases on wild and domestic animals, and on humans. I believe the potential negative impact of the diseases is a valid reason not to reintroduce wolves into YNP and to Idaho.
Countless articles about the diseases, worms and parasites carried, harbored, and spread around by wide ranging wolves have been published in a magazine sponsored by the former Soviet Ministry of Agriculture. For example, a Soviet biologist reported that gray wolves are carriers of a number of types of worms and parasites which are dangerous for animals and for humans. According to this biologist, the main one is cestoda. Over approximately a ten year period, the Soviets conducted a controlled study on the subject. They made the following observations. When and where wolves were almost eliminated in a given research area, (where almost all wolves were killed by each spring and new wolves moved into the controlled area only in the fall) infections of taenia hydatiqena in moose and boar did not occur in more than 30 to 35% of the animals. The rate of infections were 3 to 5 examples in each animal. When and where wolves were not killed in the controlled areas in the spring, and where there were 1 or 2 litters of wolf cubs, the infections in moose and boar of taenia hydatiqena reached 100% and up to 30 to 40 examples of infection (infestation) were in each moose and boar. Each year the Soviets studied 20 moose and 50 boar. The research was documented and proved that even in the presence of foxes, raccoons and domestic dogs, ONLY THE WOLF was the basic source of the infections in the moose and boar. Examinations of 9 wolves showed that each one was infected with taenia hydatiqena with an intensity of 5 to 127 examples. This confirmed the Soviet conclusions. The damage done by taenia hydatiqena to cloven footed game animals is documented by Soviet veterinarians. My concern is that if gray wolves in the former USSR carried and spread to game animals dangerous parasites, then there must be danger that gray wolves in YNP and in Idaho would also spread parasites. Why should we subject our game animals, and possibly our domestic animals to such danger?
If wolves are planted in YNP and in Idaho, I believe the wolves will undoubtedly play a role in the epizootiology and epidemiology of rabies. The wolf has played an important role, or perhaps a major role, as a source of rabies for humans in Russia, Asia, and the former USSR. From 1976 to 1980 a wolf bite was the cause of rabies in 3.5% of human cases in the Uzbek, Kazakh, and Georgian SSRs and in several areas of the RSFSR. Thirty cases of wolf rabies and 36 attacks on humans by wolves were registered in 1975 – 1978 only in the European area of the RSFSR. In the Ukraine, wolf rabies constituted .8% of all cases of rabies in wildlife in 1964 to 1978. The incidence of wolf rabies increased six fold between 1977 and 1979. The epizootic significance of the wolf has been shown in the Siberian part of the former USSR. Between 1950 and 1977 a total of 8.7% of rabies cases in the Eastern Baikal region were caused by wolf bites. In the Aktyubinsk Region of Kazakhstan, of 54 wolves examined from 1972 to 1978, 17 or 31.5% tested positive for rabies. During this period, 50 people were attacked by wolves and 33 suffered bites by rabid wolves. This shows that healthy wolves also attack and bite humans. Recent Russian research states that as the numbers of hybrid wolves increases, the likelihood of a healthy hybrid wolf attacking humans also increase. Russian wildlife specialists state that when there is no hunting of wolves, the possibility of wolves attacking humans also increases, as the wolves lose their fear of humans.
Wolves not only have and carry rabies, but also have carried foot and mouth disease and anthrax. Wolves in Russia are reported to carry over 50 types of worms and parasites, including echinococcus, cysticercus and the trichinellidae family.
Prior to planting wolves in YNP and Idaho, I respectfully request a detailed study be made on the potential impact wolves will have in regard to carry, harboring and spreading of diseases.
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/letter-will-n-graves-to-usfws-wolf-carried-diseases-october-3-1993/
Post by: AspenBud on December 17, 2015, 10:14:57 AM
recognized “biotypes.” The ‘northern’ biotype that circulates
between canids (wolf, dog) and wild ungulates (moose,
caribou, reindeer, deer and elk) is primarily found in
northern latitudes above the 45th parallel. The ‘southern’
biotype circulates between dogs and domestic ungulates,
especially sheep. It is endemic and common in most
sheep-raising areas of the world.
Hydatid cysts were found in domestic sheep from Idaho
sent to California for slaughter in the late 1960s and early
1970s. In Oregon, hydatid cysts were documented in a
deer carcass from Grant County in 1977. So, the parasite
is possibly maintained in wild coyote and fox populations in
our state. Tests for the tapeworm have not been conducted
in coyotes and foxes, and the prevalence rate is unknown.
More recently, adult tapeworms were found in 39 of 63
(62%) wolves collected in 2006-2008 from Idaho. Similar
prevalence occurs in Montana. It is unknown if Oregon
wolves have these tapeworms. However, Oregon’s wolf
population originates from Idaho, and the tapeworm is part
of its ecology. "
"Am I at greater risk if I am a hunter, trapper or
outdoor enthusiast?
The potential for hunter exposure to Echinococcus
granulosus eggs in wolf feces or fecal contaminated hides
is low. In Minnesota, where the parasite has been well documented
for many years and where hunter harvest of
game animals is high, no case of human infection has
been recorded. "
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wolves/docs/ParasiteFlyer.pdf (http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wolves/docs/ParasiteFlyer.pdf)
Post by: AspenBud on December 17, 2015, 10:17:55 AM
Professional Wildlife Management Hydatid Tapeworm Disease in Coyotes and Foxes
http://patch.com/georgia/gwinnett/fatal-wildlife-disease-worst-rabies-0 (http://patch.com/georgia/gwinnett/fatal-wildlife-disease-worst-rabies-0)
Post by: AspenBud on December 17, 2015, 10:22:21 AM
found are not differentiated into species of parasite present. Echinococcus granulosus has been
documented in domestic sheep from Idaho that were sent to California to slaughter (Sawyer et al. 1969).
Infection rates varied from 25-60% in lots averaging 141 head at that time. Additional evidence of the
presence of E. granulosus in domestic sheep from Idaho shipped to California was found by Ruppanner
and Schwabe (1973). Foci of E. granulosus in domestic sheep and dogs were identified in Utah and
California by Williams et al. (1971) who assumed that the parasite probably existed in Idaho, since
similar ecological conditions were present. A large foci of E. granulosus in domestic sheep and dogs has
been well documented in Utah with some possible connections to both California and Idaho (Crellin et
al. 1982). Based on these reports, it appears that a domestic biotype of E. granulosus was present in
Idaho, circulating between domestic sheep and dogs, decades prior to wolf introduction. "
....
"In Idaho, several reports of human infections with E. granulosus are known. An Idaho native
was found to have a liver hydatid cyst after he moved to Louisiana (Sawitz 1938). An infant with hydatid
cysts in the brain was reported in 1948 (Ing et al. 1998). A young college student that grew up in rural
Idaho and had contact with rural communities in Alaska was diagnosed with a pulmonary hydatid cyst
and treated in Louisiana (Burlew et al. 1990). There may be other cases from Idaho that are not well
documented, but these cases occurred prior to wolf introduction. "
https://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/diseaseEchinococcusWolves.pdf (https://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/diseaseEchinococcusWolves.pdf)
Post by: AspenBud on December 17, 2015, 10:31:25 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/coyote-tapeworm-that-infects-dogs-humans-spreading-to-cities-1.1175740 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/coyote-tapeworm-that-infects-dogs-humans-spreading-to-cities-1.1175740)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 17, 2015, 11:24:02 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on December 17, 2015, 01:07:44 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 19, 2015, 11:11:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 20, 2015, 09:05:25 AM
Supported by ignoramuses at the wdfw who think coyote hunting should be limited to 22cal rifles and bird shot.Who said that?
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
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Post by: Special T on December 20, 2015, 11:47:05 AM
Cant figure out how to link it from my phone.
Go down about a dozen reponces and Outdoor gaurdian has the details on the proposal.
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Post by: JLS on December 20, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
Supported by ignoramuses at the wdfw who think coyote hunting should be limited to 22cal rifles and bird shot.Who said that?
I was a proposal about 5 years ago.
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
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Post by: Curly on December 20, 2015, 11:54:37 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 20, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
For what it was worth, this was an ill-conceived idea, with good intentions. We looked at a number of other state’s night hunting rules, and many constrained the caliber. The original thought was to limit projectiles that travel great distances for public safety sake, and provide some deterrence for those really out looking for deer and elk at night with larger calibers. Of course, many elk and deer have been poached with .22 caliber rifles. So the deterrence factor probably isn’t there - it can be argued that .22 caliber rounds travel just as far as some larger calibers, and many popular predator calibers would be excluded by this provision. The idea no longer seems like a good one and you won’t see caliber restrictions in any future proposals from the WDFW Law Enforcement Bureau.
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2015, 12:36:39 PM
This specific example sticks with me/irritates me. There are many other examples that either point to severe incompetence, deception, or outright lies. How is it that no one from the department can't seem to speak up with some kind of coherent voice from in the department on issues? In the past they could have on hounds baiting bears,the wolf issue as well as a slew of salmon related issues.
In my business if I don't have an answer to an important question I find some one who is either an expert or has a bunch of experience. Would it really take that much effort to ask someone in the know? Is it that hard to find someone in the department that predator hunts?
Post by: Bob33 on December 20, 2015, 12:49:52 PM
It was ill conceived but it demonstrates the lack of understanding that we are constantly faced with. It you look at page 16, it states that this ill conceived proposal was brought by the department. If you have people that ignorant on the subject matter making proposals why should we view the wdfw as an asset to the hunting community?To be fair the proposed restriction was not for all coyote hunting, but only coyote hunting at night.
This specific example sticks with me/irritates me. There are many other examples that either point to severe incompetence, deception, or outright lies. How is it that no one from the department can't seem to speak up with some kind of coherent voice from in the department on issues? In the past they could have on hounds baiting bears,the wolf issue as well as a slew of salmon related issues.
In my business if I don't have an answer to an important question I find some one who is either an expert or has a bunch of experience. Would it really take that much effort to ask someone in the know? Is it that hard to find someone in the department that predator hunts?
If you business doesn't have any one who ever proposes bad ideas, I suspect they're successful. :tup:
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
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Post by: wolfbait on December 24, 2015, 07:45:59 PM
http://www.skinnymoose.com/rawwar/2011/05/31/the-dreaded-confirmation-of-hydatid-disease-in-a-human-in-northern-rocky-mountains-region/
Post by: bearpaw on December 25, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
The Dreaded Confirmation of Hydatid Disease in a Human in Northern Rocky Mountain Region
http://www.skinnymoose.com/rawwar/2011/05/31/the-dreaded-confirmation-of-hydatid-disease-in-a-human-in-northern-rocky-mountains-region/
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Nearly half of my liver was removed. Two or more cysts on the right lobe were aspirated but found benign. The doctors were pleased with the surgery but insisted I stay on the Albendazol for another 3 months, have blood word done for the next three months, and a CT scan at least once a year for the rest of my life to watch the other smaller cysts.
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(NOTE: This brave lady’s husband reportedly stood up during a public meeting and described how, contrary to wolf managers’ claims, his wife had a Hydatid Cyst removed from her liver which cost $63,000, and said they were hoping and praying other cysts had not been missed. His wife gave me copies of her pathology reports, wrote the foregoing story and title, and provided her medical photographs for publication in The Outdoorsman. I promised not to publish their names or clues to their location to prevent their being harassed by the wolf worshippers who abuse and threaten those who tell the truth about the downside of living with wolves. – ED)
anyone who thinks hydatid cysts are a joke better think again....