Post by: Bob33 on December 23, 2015, 10:06:30 AM
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
"Evenly, consistently and fairly enforcing Virginia's concealed handgun permit law, as we are now doing, means that it will be more difficult for potentially dangerous individuals to conceal their handguns here in Virginia and that will make Virginians safer, especially Virginian law enforcement," Herring said.
The move means that Virginians will no longer be able to use their concealed handgun permits in six states that require a mutual reciprocity agreement: Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.
John Whitbeck, chairman of the Virginia Republican Party, said Herring's announcement was further proof that Democrats have "declared war on the Second Amendment."
The top Republican in the GOP-controlled House of Delegates said that Herring is "damaging the integrity of the office he holds."
"Despite promising to take politics out of the attorney general's office, Mark Herring consistently seeks to interpret and apply the law of the Commonwealth through the lens of his own personal, political opinions," House Speaker William Howell said.
Lars Dalseide, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said concealed handgun reciprocity agreements between states have ended before, but his organization is unaware of another state ever implementing a change of this magnitude.
States are currently being notified about the change, which goes into effect on Feb. 1, Herring said. The only states that have tough enough laws to maintain their reciprocity agreement with Virginia are: Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah and West Virginia, he said.
The states whose permits Virginia will no longer recognize are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/22/virginia-to-end-recognizing-concealed-carry-gun-permits-from-25-states.html?intcmp=hpbt3
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 10:41:19 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2015, 10:45:04 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2015, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 23, 2015, 11:03:29 AM
The last several years though, it seems as though every bit of news out of the Commonwealth is the same wacky PC junk from farther North :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2015, 11:08:33 AM
I have always thought of Virginia as a salt-of-the-earth, down-home, common sense State.
The last several years though, it seems as though every bit of news out of the Commonwealth is the same wacky PC junk from farther North :dunno:
Much like the I-5 corridor in WA, infested with CA transplants imposing their warped realities on WA, the beltway has infected VA with liberalism. Common sense is being outvoted by a majority concentrated in a relatively few square miles as compared to the rest of the state.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 23, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
All of this begs the question, "Has Virginia been having a problem with crime committed by concealed handgun permit holders from these other States?" Or is this just some kind of political grandstanding?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2015, 11:21:20 AM
RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
All of this begs the question, "Has Virginia been having a problem with crime committed by concealed handgun permit holders from these other States?" Or is this just some kind of political grandstanding?
An excellent question. One that should be asked of every proposed new gun restriction.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2015, 11:23:09 AM
I guess someone could try to make an argument about Washington and Alaska, since both those states allow marijuana sale/use at the state level still in violation of federal law. And it would be possible for those states to be enabling armed drug dealers, but if they don't commit the crime in VA it shouldn't be an issue. Don't know of any stretches for the other states. Best guess is grandstanding, though.RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
All of this begs the question, "Has Virginia been having a problem with crime committed by concealed handgun permit holders from these other States?" Or is this just some kind of political grandstanding?
Post by: Bob33 on December 23, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
It clearly does not sound like it.RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
All of this begs the question, "Has Virginia been having a problem with crime committed by concealed handgun permit holders from these other States?" Or is this just some kind of political grandstanding?
An excellent question. One that should be asked of every proposed new gun restriction.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
"Evenly, consistently and fairly enforcing Virginia's concealed handgun permit law, as we are now doing, means that it will be more difficult for potentially dangerous individuals to conceal their handguns here in Virginia and that will make Virginians safer, especially Virginian law enforcement," Herring said.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2015, 11:36:54 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2015, 11:42:39 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 23, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
It clearly does not sound like it.RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
All of this begs the question, "Has Virginia been having a problem with crime committed by concealed handgun permit holders from these other States?" Or is this just some kind of political grandstanding?
An excellent question. One that should be asked of every proposed new gun restriction.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
"Evenly, consistently and fairly enforcing Virginia's concealed handgun permit law, as we are now doing, means that it will be more difficult for potentially dangerous individuals to conceal their handguns here in Virginia and that will make Virginians safer, especially Virginian law enforcement," Herring said.
So it is an imagined problem they are hoping to solve? Boy, think of the imagined solutions to imagined problems we could come up with. How about "Virginia refuses to recognize concealed laser gun permits issued on Mars, to make Virginians safer, especially Virginia law enforcement".
But I'm also curious about Virginia recognizing drivers licenses from other states when other states don't have the same standards that Virginia has. What if your state doesn't require the same amount of insurance that Virginia does? Or your state doesn't have as harsh a penalty for a DUI? Or it's easier for you to get a drivers license reinstated in your state after a suspension?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 23, 2015, 11:51:03 AM
Using that reasoning, Washington Driver's Licenses shouldn't be recognized in forty something states, because Washington even gives them out to illegals.
I see we were thinking along the same lines.
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 12:07:28 PM
So, just open carry then. If they don't want you to conceal your handgun what other choice do you have?
There was absolutely no issue or crimes by out of state permit holders coming to Virginia and committing crimes. This makes Virginia residents less safe since now if they travel to several other states they will not be allowed to take their weapons with them. This was a solution looking for a problem. Northern VA is just an extension of DC, of course I think these folks will get angry much quicker and DO something about it more than a lot of states. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
Criminals are going to carry concealed weapons regardless of any law that prohibits it.
Post by: Bob33 on December 23, 2015, 12:42:38 PM
So, just open carry then. If they don't want you to conceal your handgun what other choice do you have?www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Transporting.shtm (http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Transporting.shtm)
As of July 1, 2010, a concealed handgun permit is not necessary when carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel. The term “secured” as used does not require the compartment to be locked. OAG opinion 11-111.
Post by: baker5150 on December 23, 2015, 01:16:14 PM
What a bunch of BS. My daughter is a Virginia resident with a Concealed Pistol Lic and is currently a student at college in Florida. She is now unable to protect herself unless she gets a non-resident Florida concealed permit. Pisses me off to no end that one guy can just arbitrarily make up *censored*. Every single Democrat can......F em every one them. I think this will backfire as it has poked a stick in a hornets nest over here.
So, because of this, Florida will no longer recognize a Virgina CPL?
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 01:39:29 PM
Actually, the requirement to have a permit in order to carry a concealed weapon is a "solution looking for a problem."
Criminals are going to carry concealed weapons regardless of any law that prohibits it.
Exactly right!
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 23, 2015, 04:47:56 PM
Failing to see why this is a bad thing? Those people should not be able to legally carry a gun anywhere
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.Since it is reciprocated, Virginians with concealed permits that were obtained under higher standards than those other states won't be able to carry when they visit those places.
Failing to see why this is a bad thing? Those people should not be able to legally carry a gun anywhere
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 23, 2015, 04:52:19 PM
Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.Since it is reciprocated, Virginians with concealed permits that were obtained under higher standards than those other states won't be able to carry when they visit those places.
Failing to see why this is a bad thing? Those people should not be able to legally carry a gun anywhere
So maybe we should put pressure on the other states to raise their standards?
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 04:52:40 PM
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.Since it is reciprocated, Virginians with concealed permits that were obtained under higher standards than those other states won't be able to carry when they visit those places.
Failing to see why this is a bad thing? Those people should not be able to legally carry a gun anywhere
So maybe we should put pressure on the other states to raise their standards?
*censored*, they are legally able to posses a firearm, VA doesn't have some lofty standard, please tell me you aren't falling for the crap????
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
There shouldn't even be a prohibition to carry open/concealed for citizens anyways, imo.Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.Since it is reciprocated, Virginians with concealed permits that were obtained under higher standards than those other states won't be able to carry when they visit those places.
Failing to see why this is a bad thing? Those people should not be able to legally carry a gun anywhere
So maybe we should put pressure on the other states to raise their standards?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 23, 2015, 05:00:27 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on December 23, 2015, 05:11:19 PM
There shouldn't even be a prohibition to carry open/concealed for citizens anyways, imo.
Agree 100%
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals. The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 23, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals. The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally? Come on man.
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too. A few states did make the cut. Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals. The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally? Come on man.
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too. A few states did make the cut. Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!
You are the perfect Democratic voter huh? Those folks you just mentioned wouldn't be allowed to posses a firearm already, now would they??
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 05:33:39 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 23, 2015, 05:34:26 PM
Then why would they need a concealed carry?Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals. The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally? Come on man.
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too. A few states did make the cut. Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!
You are the perfect Democratic voter huh? Those folks you just mentioned wouldn't be allowed to posses a firearm already, now would they??
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Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 05:37:29 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on December 23, 2015, 05:46:49 PM
On a side note, do we get to sue the state if someone gets killed/murdered and are not able to defend themselves?
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.
All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.
This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.
It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.
Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!
And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.
VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.
Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.
HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:
1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! wink emoticon
2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.
Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.
2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?
VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.
a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.
Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.
In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12
b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle
c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions
d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x
d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!
3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN
As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!
That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:
http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?StageID=7379
Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:
http://bearingdrift.com/…/abc-goes-gun-free-before-holiday…/
or
http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu
4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON
The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!
5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!
VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.
We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.
We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.
The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.
Location:
Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
Time:
7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Continued Fellowship:
Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!
Post by: Machias on December 24, 2015, 06:59:53 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 24, 2015, 08:15:36 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 24, 2015, 08:29:47 AM
I have to travel to Maine through Boston this February to go visit my mom who I haven't seen in 4 years. I just am not looking forward to being unarmed for 10 days in places where terrorists know it's difficult to get "permission" to carry a firearm. This is ridiculous.
Just do it anyway.
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on December 24, 2015, 08:37:37 AM
I have to travel to Maine through Boston this February to go visit my mom who I haven't seen in 4 years. I just am not looking forward to being unarmed for 10 days in places where terrorists know it's difficult to get "permission" to carry a firearm. This is ridiculous.
Just do it anyway.
:bdid:
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on December 24, 2015, 08:42:01 AM
The NRA and pro-2nd amendment folks are fighting a losing battle if we don't realize the horrible mistake of fighting with our hands tied behind our backs. This nonsense about so called "criminals" shouldn't have guns is going to be the end of our rights. It's just dumb and the end result is so predictable, but getting people to see down the road seems to be hard to do.
Post by: grundy53 on December 24, 2015, 08:53:24 AM
Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.Because criminals follow the rules....
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 24, 2015, 12:23:29 PM
Any law that even has the effect of lowering gun ownership is unconstitutional.
The NRA and pro-2nd amendment folks are fighting a losing battle if we don't realize the horrible mistake of fighting with our hands tied behind our backs. This nonsense about so called "criminals" shouldn't have guns is going to be the end of our rights. It's just dumb and the end result is so predictable, but getting people to see down the road seems to be hard to do.
The obvious ploy is to make enough laws where everyone is criminal and therefore unable to legally own guns.
Post by: csaaphill on December 29, 2015, 06:30:15 PM
RICHMOND, Va. – Concealed handgun permits held by residents of 25 states will no longer be valid in Virginia, the state's attorney general said Tuesday, drawing swift criticism from GOP lawmakers.
Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat, said the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with the states because their concealed weapon laws don't meet Virginia's standards. Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk, he said.
"Evenly, consistently and fairly enforcing Virginia's concealed handgun permit law, as we are now doing, means that it will be more difficult for potentially dangerous individuals to conceal their handguns here in Virginia and that will make Virginians safer, especially Virginian law enforcement," Herring said.
The move means that Virginians will no longer be able to use their concealed handgun permits in six states that require a mutual reciprocity agreement: Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.
John Whitbeck, chairman of the Virginia Republican Party, said Herring's announcement was further proof that Democrats have "declared war on the Second Amendment."
The top Republican in the GOP-controlled House of Delegates said that Herring is "damaging the integrity of the office he holds."
"Despite promising to take politics out of the attorney general's office, Mark Herring consistently seeks to interpret and apply the law of the Commonwealth through the lens of his own personal, political opinions," House Speaker William Howell said.
Lars Dalseide, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said concealed handgun reciprocity agreements between states have ended before, but his organization is unaware of another state ever implementing a change of this magnitude.
States are currently being notified about the change, which goes into effect on Feb. 1, Herring said. The only states that have tough enough laws to maintain their reciprocity agreement with Virginia are: Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah and West Virginia, he said.
The states whose permits Virginia will no longer recognize are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/22/virginia-to-end-recognizing-concealed-carry-gun-permits-from-25-states.html?intcmp=hpbt3
I can just see this as something that will happen just like that women who got pulled over in NJ and was arrested, and threatened with several years in prison because NJ didn't recognize her gun permit. If it weren't for gun owners coming to her aid she'd be in prison by now.
Post by: csaaphill on December 29, 2015, 06:31:38 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 29, 2015, 06:40:10 PM
Using that reasoning, Washington Driver's Licenses shouldn't be recognized in forty something states, because Washington even gives them out to illegals.
Did you know that Washington drivers licenses will soon not be enough to fly? One of only a couple states who's licenses will require additional ID at airports.
Post by: Bob33 on December 29, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
Yep.Using that reasoning, Washington Driver's Licenses shouldn't be recognized in forty something states, because Washington even gives them out to illegals.
Did you know that Washington drivers licenses will soon not be enough to fly? One of only a couple states who's licenses will require additional ID at airports.
www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/business/tsa-moves-closer-to-rejecting-some-state-drivers-licenses-for-travel.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/business/tsa-moves-closer-to-rejecting-some-state-drivers-licenses-for-travel.html?_r=0)
Post by: csaaphill on December 29, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
Not that anyone supports that, but our founders had it written that liberty was more important than Peace and safety.Yeah there should be. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit. If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200. Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals. The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally? Come on man.
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too. A few states did make the cut. Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!
SO no, but I'd rather have the liberty as our founders had intended than this BS crap of needing an infringement to do what's a natural God giving right, which is self defense of life and liberty when the situation arises.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine
"To preserve liberty, it is essential [/i]that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
American Statesman
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 30, 2015, 06:04:44 AM
Post by: csaaphill on December 30, 2015, 06:17:34 PM
"Not that anyone supports that, but our founders had it written that liberty was more important than Peace and safety. " They were talking about giving up liberty to the government in return for safety, such as the Patriot Act, for example. They were not talking about criminals who've lost their rights because of their crimes. To the contrary, one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment is for people to retain the right to protect themselves against those who would harm them - criminals and an oppressive government, to name two.Yes they were, or at least they were talking about it in the sense of not making laws that made for more crime. They did not have it planed for other than the time of incarceration of people losing their rights. meaning as we've argued before on here that once you served your time, and paid your dues you instantly got your rights back.
Benjamin Franklin's quote of people giving up liberty for peace and safety means people adopting laws (and your partially correct with the patriot act, but fall short.) If they wanted a criminal act to be a life sentence of losing their rights they would have 200 years ago. You shouldn't be so supportive of people losing their rights because of some infraction in their life, because of these kinds of statements.:
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. – Thomas Jefferson
An Avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret,
and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even
his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach
to himself. – Thomas Paine
Post by: csaaphill on December 30, 2015, 06:32:26 PM
"Not that anyone supports that, but our founders had it written that liberty was more important than Peace and safety. " They were talking about giving up liberty to the government in return for safety, such as the Patriot Act, for example. They were not talking about criminals who've lost their rights because of their crimes. To the contrary, one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment is for people to retain the right to protect themselves against those who would harm them - criminals and an oppressive government, to name two.and just so ou know not arguing or flaming you, but it does seem were on opposite sides of the same fence. You see more for as things are, and only trying to protect what little we have, while I'm more for what is supposed to be and not being so quick to rely on law, or say they deserve what they get, when we shouldn't have most those laws to begin with.