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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2015, 05:11:46 PM »
Yeah there should be.  If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit.  If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200.  Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them. 

And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals.  The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!
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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2015, 05:18:52 PM »
Yeah there should be.  If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit.  If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200.  Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them. 

And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals.  The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!

 You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally?  Come on man. 
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too.  A few states did make the cut.  Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2015, 05:24:29 PM »
Thought I also read it's not just the people you list, but includes anyone that has ever been treated by mental health as inpatient (even Virginians).

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2015, 05:32:03 PM »
Yeah there should be.  If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit.  If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200.  Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them. 

And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals.  The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!

 You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally?  Come on man. 
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too.  A few states did make the cut.  Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!

You are the perfect Democratic voter huh?  Those folks you just mentioned wouldn't be allowed to posses a firearm already, now would they??
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 05:38:02 PM by Bob33 »
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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2015, 05:33:39 PM »
So you believe one single man should be allowed to make up his own rules, without any input from the legislature or the voters??
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 06:58:25 AM by Machias »
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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2015, 05:34:26 PM »
Yeah there should be.  If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit.  If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200.  Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them. 

And what the Virginia AG just did is try and make ALL legal gun owners criminals.  The only people this stunt harms IS LEGAL GUN OWNERS!!

 You really think fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers should be allowed to carry legally?  Come on man. 
What the AG just did is say we dont want these people legally carrying in our state because they shouldn't be allowed too.  A few states did make the cut.  Maybe move to Texas, then you can visit Virgina and pack your pistol all you want!

You are the perfect Democratic voter huh?  Those folks you just mentioned wouldn't be allowed to posses a firearm already, now would they??
Then why would they need a concealed carry?

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« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 05:38:38 PM by Bob33 »

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2015, 05:37:29 PM »
EXACTLY. This doesn't stop Drug Dealers and Stalkers and Felons from concealed carry it only stops LAW ABIDING people from protecting themselves! And now Virginians when they visit states that they used to have reciprocity with.  Amazing!!
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 05:39:26 PM by Bob33 »
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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2015, 05:46:49 PM »
Sadly, this should be a huge red flag about the folly of allowing the state (federal of state) to take our right to concealed carry and playing God in deciding who gets to protect themselves.  NRA and pro- 2nd amendment supports will again make the wrong argument.

On a side note, do we get to sue the state if someone gets killed/murdered and are not able to defend themselves?

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2015, 11:20:17 PM »
1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS

First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.

All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.

This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.

It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.

Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!

And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.

VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.

Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.

HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:

1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! wink emoticon

2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.

3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.

Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.

2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?

VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.

a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.

Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.

In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12

b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle

c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions

d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x

d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!

3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN

As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!

That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:

http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?StageID=7379

Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:

http://bearingdrift.com/…/abc-goes-gun-free-before-holiday…/

or

http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu

4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON

The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!

5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!

VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.

We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.

We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.

The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.

Location:

Glen Allen Library
 10501 Staples Mill Road
 Glen Allen, VA 23060

Time:

7:00 pm - 8:30 pm

Continued Fellowship:

Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
 10282 Staples Mill Road
 Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com
 FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!
Fred Moyer

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2015, 06:59:53 AM »
elkinruntdrivemenuts  I apologize for being an ass yesterday.   
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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2015, 08:15:36 AM »
This is the beginning of disaster . They spend every minute of everyday looking for that one thing to get their agenda going !  This should cause an up rising of some kind ! What the ---- ?

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2015, 08:29:47 AM »
I have to travel to Maine through Boston this February to go visit my mom who I haven't seen in 4 years. I just am not looking forward to being unarmed for 10 days in places where terrorists know it's difficult to get "permission" to carry a firearm. This is ridiculous.

Just do it anyway.

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2015, 08:37:37 AM »
I have to travel to Maine through Boston this February to go visit my mom who I haven't seen in 4 years. I just am not looking forward to being unarmed for 10 days in places where terrorists know it's difficult to get "permission" to carry a firearm. This is ridiculous.

Just do it anyway.

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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2015, 08:42:01 AM »
Any law that even has the effect of lowering gun ownership is unconstitutional. 

The NRA and pro-2nd amendment folks are fighting a losing battle if we don't realize the horrible mistake of fighting with our hands tied behind our backs.  This nonsense about so called "criminals" shouldn't have guns is going to be the end of our rights.  It's just dumb and the end result is so predictable, but getting people to see down the road seems to be hard to do.


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Re: Virginia ends reciprocity with 25 states including Washington
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2015, 08:53:24 AM »
Yeah there should be.  If you are a law abiding citizen then you have the permit.  If not and you get busted concealed carrying, go directly to jail and pay $200.  Its a good way to keep firearms out of the hand of people who are up to no good with them.
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