Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 04:38:35 PM
Bullet- .30 cal 190gr LRAB
Gun- Remington 700 300WSM
Load- Nosler Brass, 63.7gr IMR4350, Winchester primer.
Average MV-2,788fps
So first off, the B.C. on this bullet was very inflated for me. it was more like .570 than .640 that is printed on the box. I had a bit of trouble dialing in a load for it. Changing powder may have helped but I don't believe in the old saying that some guns don't like this or that, there is always a combination that works, and I have a lot of 4350 so.... :chuckle: This combo just happened to be long and slow. Ended up being 10 off the lands and a light powder charge. You shoot em where they wanna be though so I ran with it.
Lots of practive this summer to get all my data figured out before the season started.
Grand total for my gun this year was 8 deer and one elk. Shots on deer ranged from 60 yards on out to 400 yards, and one at 710 yards. The big cow elk was at 350.
Performance was better than expected. I wasn't so much concerned with the longer stuff as that is what the bullet was designed for but I was very interested on if the bullet was going to grenade on short work. The deer at 60 yards was hit mid rib cage with the bullet exiting through the meat of the offside shoulder. Lungs were pulverized! The other close shot on a Montana buck was 150 yards. Same quartering away shot but slightly lower. Bullet exited the offside shoulder, hitting leg bone. As can be expected, there was shoulder damage but from the sounds of it, nothing any other 180+ grain bullet wouldn't have done.
As for the longer work, the results were as to be expected. My Colorado buck was 400 yards and the placement was a perfect heart shot. The vitals were completely demolished! The heart was in 4 or 5 pieces :bash: Bullet exited out the pocket on the other side.
I was not there for the long bomb but my instructions for using my gun was I needed to know how the bullet performed. Shot was center lung, bullet was in the hide on the off side shoulder. Internal damage was good and the bullet was mushroomed out just like it should be.
The only other bullet that was recovered was out of the elk. The shot was a steeper quartering away angle. Contacted a rib on the way in, destroyed the vitals and broke the leg bone on the off side shoulder. Weight retention was 71%.
This bullet basically acted like every standard accubond I have ever killed with except it pops a lot harder at the longer distance, which is why I wanted to try it in the first place. Love the VLD's but wanted something "less messy" at closer range. This IS my new go to bullet for a couple of my guns. I will be running some other sizes in a few other calibers here shortly. I'll post up a pick of the recovered bullet here in a sec.
Post by: Bob33 on December 28, 2015, 04:41:37 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 04:48:26 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 28, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
I took one deer 616 yards this year and my bullet preformed very well. I put probably 150 of them down range in several guns and calibers and been very happy with them. I have been wondering at close range there results. So thank you for the post. Glad to see such positive results for them.
I agree the BC is a bit inflated for sure :chuckle:
I was a little shy to try shooting them at elk this year so I ran my normal accubonds this year. With a little more info after this season and seeing the results of my use on a deer and hearing yours. I might use them next year.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
I have been playing with them as well. I have seen very poor results from bergers at close range. It's nice to see it used on so many animals.Ya the 60 yard deer sealed the deal for me. Hit a rib going in but held together just like a normal accubond would. Could be the slower velocity I'm shooting them at but I'm betting as long as they aren't screaming, they will hold together well.
I took one deer 616 yards this year and my bullet preformed very well. I put probably 150 of them down range in several guns and calibers and been very happy with them. I have been wondering at close range there results. So thank you for the post. Glad to see such positive results for them.
I agree the BC is a bit inflated for sure :chuckle:
I was a little shy to try shooting them at elk this year so I ran my normal accubonds this year. With a little more info after this season and seeing the results of my use on a deer and hearing yours. I might use them next year.
I guess I should say to a point. I don't care what your shooting, you bang a leg bone or something at close range and its probably gonna be messy :bdid:
Post by: X-Force on December 28, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 28, 2015, 05:08:22 PM
I have been playing with them as well. I have seen very poor results from bergers at close range. It's nice to see it used on so many animals.Ya the 60 yard deer sealed the deal for me. Hit a rib going in but held together just like a normal accubond would. Could be the slower velocity I'm shooting them at but I'm betting as long as they aren't screaming, they will hold together well.
I took one deer 616 yards this year and my bullet preformed very well. I put probably 150 of them down range in several guns and calibers and been very happy with them. I have been wondering at close range there results. So thank you for the post. Glad to see such positive results for them.
I agree the BC is a bit inflated for sure :chuckle:
I was a little shy to try shooting them at elk this year so I ran my normal accubonds this year. With a little more info after this season and seeing the results of my use on a deer and hearing yours. I might use them next year.
I guess I should say to a point. I don't care what your shooting, you bang a leg bone or something at close range and its probably gonna be messy :bdid:
Agree. I watched a bull take 4 190 bergers at 150 yards or less on all shots. All in the right spots the bullets were just turning to dust before making it in. One finally made it in enough to get one lung :yike:
That recovered bullet is just beautiful.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
The pedals are sharper than a prison shank too!!! I actually cut my finger playing with the bullet :chuckle:I have been playing with them as well. I have seen very poor results from bergers at close range. It's nice to see it used on so many animals.Ya the 60 yard deer sealed the deal for me. Hit a rib going in but held together just like a normal accubond would. Could be the slower velocity I'm shooting them at but I'm betting as long as they aren't screaming, they will hold together well.
I took one deer 616 yards this year and my bullet preformed very well. I put probably 150 of them down range in several guns and calibers and been very happy with them. I have been wondering at close range there results. So thank you for the post. Glad to see such positive results for them.
I agree the BC is a bit inflated for sure :chuckle:
I was a little shy to try shooting them at elk this year so I ran my normal accubonds this year. With a little more info after this season and seeing the results of my use on a deer and hearing yours. I might use them next year.
I guess I should say to a point. I don't care what your shooting, you bang a leg bone or something at close range and its probably gonna be messy :bdid:
Agree. I watched a bull take 4 190 bergers at 150 yards or less on all shots. All in the right spots the bullets were just turning to dust before making it in. One finally made it in enough to get one lung :yike:
That recovered bullet is just beautiful.
Post by: kentrek on December 28, 2015, 05:24:38 PM
Hey Carp, how fast was those 190s going ??
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 28, 2015, 06:15:20 PM
The only thing I did not like was the bigger groups with higher velocity. I think you saw the same thing if I recall. Any time I break 3k the groups open up on me.
Good review !
Hey Carp, how fast was those 190s going ??
2850 out of a 300 wsm. I never would have thought they would kill so poor at even that velocity. Not super fast but still acted like a grenade on contact.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 06:23:59 PM
That's great. I know we talked about them I think before the season Glad you had such positive results.It was one of those, .1gr incriments and BAM, there it was! 63.9 I couldn't keep it under an inch but at 63.7 it was 3/8" if I behaved myself
The only thing I did not like was the bigger groups with higher velocity. I think you saw the same thing if I recall. Any time I break 3k the groups open up on me.Good review !
Hey Carp, how fast was those 190s going ??
2850 out of a 300 wsm. I never would have thought they would kill so poor at even that velocity. Not super fast but still acted like a grenade on contact.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 28, 2015, 06:30:39 PM
I have run the 150 .270/168 .284/ 190 .308. I'm working on a beast right now in 6.5 stw and just got 2 boxes of the 142 LRAB'S I am hoping I can get them to run but a light load in this new gun will be 3200 with the 142 :chuckle: 3400/3500 very doable with that cartridge.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
Post by: shootem on December 28, 2015, 06:34:57 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 28, 2015, 06:40:17 PM
I'll be interested to see how they hold up at the increased velocity. My get sloppy but I bet they will perform.
I will try to do a report when I get it running.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 28, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Great report. I have been committed to the original 300 WSM 180 Accubonds for years. Shot plenty of animals with excellent results. None past 400 yds tho. I use Nosler ammo. At what point would you recommend changing to the 190 LRABs? I guess if they work well at short and long distance and shoot well out of my gun why not. Sounds like you had a great year. Happy New Year to all.Hey shootem. Honestly, I don't really see an advantage unless your heading north of 500. That being said, one buck died last year from a good old fashioned accubond at 700 and it worked fine. Bang flop. Or you could mention interest in them to coach and you'll just end up with a box on your doorstep :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 28, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
This is a 150gr Accubond recovered just under the hide on the off side of a Mulie shot at just shy of 400 yards. Couldn't ask for better performance.
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Post by: shootem on December 28, 2015, 08:55:33 PM
Great report. I have been committed to the original 300 WSM 180 Accubonds for years. Shot plenty of animals with excellent results. None past 400 yds tho. I use Nosler ammo. At what point would you recommend changing to the 190 LRABs? I guess if they work well at short and long distance and shoot well out of my gun why not. Sounds like you had a great year. Happy New Year to all.Hey Doc. Honestly, I don't really see an advantage unless your heading north of 500. That being said, one buck died last year from a good old fashioned accubond at 700 and it worked fine. Bang flop. Or you could mention interest in them to coach and you'll just end up with a box on your doorstep :chuckle:
Gee Coach it sure would be interesting to see how they shoot out of my gun. Those are beautiful bullets.
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Post by: kentrek on December 29, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
Good review !
Hey Carp, how fast was those 190s going ??
2850 out of a 300 wsm. I never would have thought they would kill so poor at even that velocity. Not super fast but still acted like a grenade on contact.
Yikes ! I'm shooting a 185 @ 2870 out of a 300 wsm....I'm getting enough kills added up to get a pretty good opinion on them and can see me moving to the accubond or maybe hornadys new wiz bang
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
:chuckle:Great report. I have been committed to the original 300 WSM 180 Accubonds for years. Shot plenty of animals with excellent results. None past 400 yds tho. I use Nosler ammo. At what point would you recommend changing to the 190 LRABs? I guess if they work well at short and long distance and shoot well out of my gun why not. Sounds like you had a great year. Happy New Year to all.Hey Doc. Honestly, I don't really see an advantage unless your heading north of 500. That being said, one buck died last year from a good old fashioned accubond at 700 and it worked fine. Bang flop. Or you could mention interest in them to coach and you'll just end up with a box on your doorstep :chuckle:
Gee Coach it sure would be interesting to see how they shoot out of my gun. Those are beautiful bullets.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 11:30:57 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 11:40:25 AM
Post by: Antlershed on December 29, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 12:12:13 PM
Most all my practice shooting is long range, because 100 yard paper punching is boring to me, but for hunting, I rarely shoot to distances that I (me) would consider long range. However, I'm not against it and if the situation calls for it, I'm gonna send it. I wanted a bullet I could snap shoot a whitetail with at 40 yards or go downtown on a muley with if need be. VLD'S at short range had mixed reviews at short range so I figured these may be a suitable hybrid. So far I personally believe they are.
Post by: Antlershed on December 29, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 29, 2015, 12:58:15 PM
Good review !
Hey Carp, how fast was those 190s going ??
2850 out of a 300 wsm. I never would have thought they would kill so poor at even that velocity. Not super fast but still acted like a grenade on contact.
Yikes ! I'm shooting a 185 @ 2870 out of a 300 wsm....I'm getting enough kills added up to get a pretty good opinion on them and can see me moving to the accubond or maybe hornadys new wiz bang
I know. They shot super super well in my rifle. I was really excited about them even though I had heard to horror stories on close range shots. Well after witnessing it first hand I said no more of that. It was my rifle but my cousin is the one who had the bull tag. I am not that lucky. He was packing his 338 lap and got tired of lugging around a 12lb gun in thick timber. So he started packing my 300 wsm.
I am also planning on playing with the eld-x.
By far the accubond is the best bullet I have ever used. Even though I have killed a good amount of critters with a partition and etip. I have killed far more animals with the accubond now days and trust them 100% all the time. Like Karl said 1800fps is what nosler recommends for good expansion. Which is what I run in my 300wsm most of the time. I switched to the bergers and had the poor results in killing power at close range I talked about above.
Thanks for the review, but I'm not sure I see the advantage to the LRAB in a round like the .300wsm. I can push the 180 AB at 2900fps, which according to Nosler, would make it perform optimally out to about 700-800 yards. Does the LRAB need less velocity to perform on game animals? Curious what the difference in drop is between the 180 AB and the 190 LRAB at 800 yards coming out of a .300wsm. I would imagine not much?
That is the twin load to what I shoot in my 300 wsm. At 650 yards is right at the 1800fps mark anything more is getting into less expansion then recommended. However when you switch the bullet to a 190 LRAB with a minimum required expansion velocity of only 1300 fps. And even drop down to 2850fps. You are going to maintain 1300fps out to around 1200 yards or so.
My personal preference is to stay at the recommended velocity by the bullet manufacture and 1000ft pounds of energy. Just my personal numbers. With the LRAB that is a max range for me to 1000yards. While my accubond load hits the minimum fps at only 650 yards.
Post by: Antlershed on December 29, 2015, 01:11:50 PM
I have never tried the Bergers, and don't really have any desire to. Shot the A-Max out of my .300 RUM a couple times and didn't like picking bullet fragments out of my meat.
I hadn't messed with the LRAB's primarily because of all the reviews on how finicky they are. May have to give em a try sometime if I have the time.
Post by: Mxracer532 on December 29, 2015, 01:39:56 PM
All that being said, the consistency of the Bergers are 2nd to none. I just purchased a Sendero in 7mag and have 168gn VLD's on the way. This will be my bear gun ONLY so my plan is to load some Accubonds or Barnes to keep on hand for that one time the bear shows up under 200 or so. Donno guess I will see.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Ok, that's what I was curious about is the velocity required for the LRAB. At what range does your load drop below 1300fps?I'm right at carps numbers. I hit the 1300 mark right around 1150 yards @ my shooting spot here at home. Change elevation and temp and that number also changes.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
I shoot the 95gn VLD's out of my .243 and killed alot of coyotes at various ranges. My sisters and nephew have killed multiple deer with them as well. I can honestly say the VLD's do act funky at close range. I have shot coyotes at 150 yards or so with no exits but also had others at the same range with baseball sized exits. Deer wise my sister killed a buck at 520 yards (perfect heart shot) that the bullet had fragments that almost exited the offside shoulder. I killed my spring bear with the same load at just under 300 (if I remember right) and had an exit on the 1st shot and followed up on a quartered too shot that bang flopped it. (No exit)I played with the 105gr in my .243 this fall and have been very pleased so far. I actually got an exit on my montana buck which suprized me. Internal damage was epic! Those things dump everything they've got inside that body cavity.
All that being said, the consistency of the Bergers are 2nd to none. I just purchased a Sendero in 7mag and have 168gn VLD's on the way. This will be my bear gun ONLY so my plan is to load some Accubonds or Barnes to keep on hand for that one time the bear shows up under 200 or so. Donno guess I will see.
Post by: Mxracer532 on December 29, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
What yardage was your buck? Twist rate of your rifle? My sisters deer last year she shot at 420 and it had an exit. They absolutely do serious internal damage.I shoot the 95gn VLD's out of my .243 and killed alot of coyotes at various ranges. My sisters and nephew have killed multiple deer with them as well. I can honestly say the VLD's do act funky at close range. I have shot coyotes at 150 yards or so with no exits but also had others at the same range with baseball sized exits. Deer wise my sister killed a buck at 520 yards (perfect heart shot) that the bullet had fragments that almost exited the offside shoulder. I killed my spring bear with the same load at just under 300 (if I remember right) and had an exit on the 1st shot and followed up on a quartered too shot that bang flopped it. (No exit)I played with the 105gr in my .243 this fall and have been very pleased so far. I actually got an exit on my montana buck which suprized me. Internal damage was epic! Those things dump everything they've got inside that body cavity.
All that being said, the consistency of the Bergers are 2nd to none. I just purchased a Sendero in 7mag and have 168gn VLD's on the way. This will be my bear gun ONLY so my plan is to load some Accubonds or Barnes to keep on hand for that one time the bear shows up under 200 or so. Donno guess I will see.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 02:07:51 PM
Post by: rtspring on December 29, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
Very good info karl, interesting read
Post by: shootem on December 29, 2015, 02:19:53 PM
Ok, that's what I was curious about is the velocity required for the LRAB. At what range does your load drop below 1300fps?I'm right at carps numbers. I hit the 1300 mark right around 1150 yards @ my shooting spot here at home. Change elevation and temp and that number also changes.
Based on these numbers I will see how they shoot in my gun. The LRABs sure look like they extend the killing range.
Post by: Mxracer532 on December 29, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
500. It's a 9 twist which is a bit slow for that big 105 Grainer so I had to push them pretty darn hard to get good stabilization but they shoot well. I just needed them out of the land and stuffed to the gills with powder and it shot good. :chuckle:Mine is a factory heavy barrel Rem 1.9.25 but has a custom chamber job and it shoots the 95's extremely well. Never tried the 105's. The 95's are at 3136fps.
I'm assuming you mean you had to get them seated into the lands?
Post by: 2labs on December 29, 2015, 02:32:44 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 29, 2015, 02:41:18 PM
I think I'm going to the hornady and my brothers going with the accubond....hopefully we'l keep killing stuff and be able get a good opinion on which is better for us
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 02:43:29 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
haha. Ya talk to text doesn't always work like you'd like it. :chuckle:500. It's a 9 twist which is a bit slow for that big 105 Grainer so I had to push them pretty darn hard to get good stabilization but they shoot well. I just needed them out of the land and stuffed to the gills with powder and it shot good. :chuckle:Mine is a factory heavy barrel Rem 1.9.25 but has a custom chamber job and it shoots the 95's extremely well. Never tried the 105's. The 95's are at 3136fps.
I'm assuming you mean you had to get them seated into the lands?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 03:12:21 PM
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/nosler-lr-accubonds-bc-testing-results-137554/
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As you can see, the actual BC's can be quite close; within 1-8% of advertised if they're properly stabilized. If they're not properly stabilized (which you might not know according to groups), the BC can be 10-12% lower than advertised.
The LR AB's are well designed (low drag) bullets. One reality of long/low drag bullets is they typically require faster than conventional twist rates to stabilize. However Nosler doesn't provide recommended 'specialty' twist rates for these bullets (at least not that I could find) so users are left to assume that standard twist rates will work.
For example, the .270 caliber 150 grain LRAB fired from a 1:10" twist 270 Winchester only produced an SG (stability factor) of 1.19 under the conditions of the test. This low stability resulted in a G7 BC of 0.278, which is 12% below the advertised value of .317. Note that groups were good at this stability level. However, in order to achieve the highest BC, you need to generate a stability factor of at least 1.5*. Retesting the bullet in a 1:7" twist 270 Winchester produced an SG of 2.31, and a BC that's 4% higher (0.291).
It's the same story with the 7mm 168 grain. Fired from a 'standard' 1:9" twist 7mm Remington Magnum, the stability factor was 1.33, and the BC was 10% less than advertised. Same bullet fired from a 1:7" twist .284 Winchester produced an SG of 2.19, and a BC that's 4% higher, and within 6% of the advertised BC.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 29, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
I think we're in the upper 20s in kills (mostly elk)with the vlds at all ranges and for the most part we've been happy but it's just that 1% chance of having nothing make it to the lungs that concerns me....
I think I'm going to the hornady and my brothers going with the accubond....hopefully we'l keep killing stuff and be able get a good opinion on which is better for us
For sure. I shot my first elk with a rifle this year a nice big cow "which makes 5 antlerless elk in 12 years" YES I WANT A BULL BAD LOL. All my others have been with a bow. That is why I went with my accubond because I did not trust this new LRAB yet.
Watching 3 out of 4 bullets explode on that bull with the hunting vld, without even making it into the chest cavity. Then only having one barely make it in scared me. I think 300yards plus the bergers do great most of the time. Anything under I will not trust them again. Just my thoughts. I know lots of guys that kill long range with them with great results. Close work scares me.
That is why I am happy Karl has seen good results on closer animals. My deer I killed with a LRAB was long range and it did the job very well.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 08:22:02 PM
Like I said before, I was very much on the fence about these LRAB due to some mixed reviews but one thing I wasn't seeing in the reviews I read was much on killing game. I knew with the amount of animals my friends and I take, I could really run this bullet through the ringer. Recently I found em on shooters pro shop for $28 a box for factory seconds and now have roughly 700 of them so I think I'll put a few more animals in the dirt with em :chuckle: I wish I still had a 7mag, these would be pimp in a 7.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 29, 2015, 08:30:18 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
That deer I shot at just over 600 was with my 7stw at 2975. Those were the 168's. I picked up a box of 175 for the 7 stw and 2 boxes of the 142 for the new beast the 6.5 stw. I am hoping I can find a sweet spot that can run both rifles at around 3200-3400.Now that will be a test! If they can handle a short range poke at that speed they may just be the Best. Bullet. Ever. Made....................ever :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 08:34:21 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 29, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Reviews like BLRmans are awesome...i wish the bullet companies would keep detailed information regarding there test kills and share them !!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
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Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:10:48 PM
I have heard of guys just loading up a couple accubonds for close range then running the vlds at distance . Kinda defeats the purpose to me . If the gun is accurate you should be able to hit them in the pocket up close. Maybe they should load the accubonds for way down range incase they miss there mark.lol.The world needs more 6.5 systems :chuckle:
Post by: 2labs on December 29, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:41:10 PM
The 129 ABLR going 3400 out of my 26 Nosler did considerable damage to a deer at 120 yrds through both shoulders,dropped in its tracks but needed a follow up.similar damage as the old Ballistic tips did out of my 300WM. I have a box of the 142's to try :dunno: I know they are designed for long range but you never know what distance you will be shooting.I think a lot of bullets would have issues at 3400fps :chuckle: :yike:
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
You must be doing something right BLRman. Pretty impressive.nothing to do over there except shoot stuff and make babies :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:10:05 PM
and I'm done with that baby making stuff! So it only leaves me with one other option...... :chuckle:You must be doing something right BLRman. Pretty impressive.nothing to do over there except shot stuff and make babies :chuckle:
Post by: buglebuster on December 29, 2015, 10:15:03 PM
Says you! If we ask kattie its a different answer :chuckle:and I'm done with that baby making stuff! So it only leaves me with one other option...... :chuckle:You must be doing something right BLRman. Pretty impressive.nothing to do over there except shot stuff and make babies :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
4 dogs. Yep, 4 dogs should occupy her time nicely :yike:Says you! If we ask kattie its a different answer :chuckle:and I'm done with that baby making stuff! So it only leaves me with one other option...... :chuckle:You must be doing something right BLRman. Pretty impressive.nothing to do over there except shot stuff and make babies :chuckle:
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 30, 2015, 10:21:03 AM
This is the info I was going by:
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/nosler-lr-accubonds-bc-testing-results-137554/QuoteAs you can see, the actual BC's can be quite close; within 1-8% of advertised if they're properly stabilized. If they're not properly stabilized (which you might not know according to groups), the BC can be 10-12% lower than advertised.
The LR AB's are well designed (low drag) bullets. One reality of long/low drag bullets is they typically require faster than conventional twist rates to stabilize. However Nosler doesn't provide recommended 'specialty' twist rates for these bullets (at least not that I could find) so users are left to assume that standard twist rates will work.
For example, the .270 caliber 150 grain LRAB fired from a 1:10" twist 270 Winchester only produced an SG (stability factor) of 1.19 under the conditions of the test. This low stability resulted in a G7 BC of 0.278, which is 12% below the advertised value of .317. Note that groups were good at this stability level. However, in order to achieve the highest BC, you need to generate a stability factor of at least 1.5*. Retesting the bullet in a 1:7" twist 270 Winchester produced an SG of 2.31, and a BC that's 4% higher (0.291).
It's the same story with the 7mm 168 grain. Fired from a 'standard' 1:9" twist 7mm Remington Magnum, the stability factor was 1.33, and the BC was 10% less than advertised. Same bullet fired from a 1:7" twist .284 Winchester produced an SG of 2.19, and a BC that's 4% higher, and within 6% of the advertised BC.
This is accurate!!! I have the 150 LRABS all loaded up, doped and trued all they way to 1300 Yards. I am using a 9 twist barrel and the 0.291 G7 BC is good to go.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 30, 2015, 11:38:15 AM