Post by: lokidog on April 15, 2016, 10:20:06 PM
Contact: Ron Warren, (360) 902-2799
Salmon seasons set for ocean, CR;
tate, tribes unable to reach agreement on Puget Sound
OLYMPIA – Anglers will have opportunities to fish for salmon in the ocean and Columbia River this year, although recreational and non-tribal commercial salmon fisheries in Puget Sound may be closed through much of the season.
After lengthy negotiations, state and tribal fishery managers could not reach an agreement on salmon-fishing seasons in Puget Sound. An agreement must be reached in the next few weeks or the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and treaty tribes in western Washington will each need to secure separate federal permits required to hold fisheries in Puget Sound waters where there are protected fish stocks.
That decision was made yesterday at the Pacific Fishery Management Council’s meeting in Vancouver, Wash. Salmon fishing seasons for Washington’s ocean waters and the Columbia River were adopted during the federal panel’s meeting. A summary of those fisheries is available on WDFW’s website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/attach/apr1516a.pdf
Jim Unsworth, WDFW director, said potentially forgoing salmon seasons in Puget Sound isn’t a decision the department took lightly.
“We realize that closing salmon fishing in Puget Sound for the foreseeable future is not only disappointing but is detrimental to many communities across the region,” he said. “As we work to secure the necessary federal permit, we hope to continue discussions with the tribes. I believe co-management can work, and we will do our part to improve the process of setting salmon seasons in Washington.”
This is the first time the state and tribes have not reached an agreement on salmon fishing seasons while working as co-managers, which began about 30 years ago. In previous years, the co-managers have been authorized to fish for salmon under a joint federal permit.
Ron Warren, head of WDFW’s Fish Program, said the department will begin working with NOAA Fisheries to secure a federal permit for salmon fisheries in Puget Sound. However, it is uncertain the department will receive federal authorization in time to hold salmon fisheries this summer, he said.
“We knew setting salmon-fishing seasons would be challenging this year due to the poor forecast for coho,” Warren said. “Our staff worked really hard to put forward a set of proposed fisheries that met agreed-to conservation goals. Unfortunately, we were not able to reach an agreement.”
About 256,000 coho are expected to return to Puget Sound in 2016. That’s about one-third the size of run predicted in 2015.
During the salmon season-setting process, state fishery managers consulted with numerous members of the department’s Puget Sound sportfishing advisory groups, who supported the department’s decision.
Puget Sound marine and fresh water areas that currently are open to salmon fishing – including marine areas 5, 11, 12 and 13 – will close to fishing May 1, if not scheduled to close earlier in the 2015-2016 Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.
Post by: RB on April 15, 2016, 10:35:48 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on April 16, 2016, 07:24:31 AM
This has been in the works for months, if not years. Get ready for a fight if you or you kids ever want to fish Puget sound salmon again. If not just hit the ignore button and carry on.
Post by: Tbar on April 16, 2016, 07:47:09 AM
This is just the beginning. If you think this is a one year thing your head has been in the sand. This should be as concerning as killing elk on the wintering grounds. If the tribes get their permits for the rivers and agree not to fish in the salt, the rec guys will not get to fish in the salt. This way the rivers will be loaded with fish and the tribes get what they want, more fish. This is not about saving the salmon, its a greedy, sneaky move by the tribes to make more money.So it has nothing to do with science or predicted returns?
This has been in the works for months, if not years. Get ready for a fight if you or you kids ever want to fish Puget sound salmon again. If not just hit the ignore button and carry on.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 16, 2016, 07:59:34 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on April 16, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
I'm not exactly sure how this process works after the NOF process breaks down.
If an agreement can't be reached then both parties petition NOAA directly with their proposals.
But now, the tribes get to have theirs fast-tracked and the WDFW proposal will take months to be reviewed (possible resulting in no season anyway?)
Can anyone shed further light on this?
What a ridiculous situation...
Post by: NorseNW on April 16, 2016, 09:29:46 AM
The downstream affect (pardon the pun) is just sad.
Post by: Skillet on April 16, 2016, 09:35:30 AM
I think this is the new normal, unfortunately.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 16, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
Post by: plugger on April 16, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 16, 2016, 02:54:13 PM
Well at least there not blaming it on walleye :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:. The sad thing is when one fishery gets shut down, another fishery gets beat to death. Then it closes, then another, and another.Yeah, I'm trying to think what will be the consequences. I'd guess a really busy and short ocean season...before an emergency shutdown. Halibut and lings are already short. Maybe rockfish? I'd expect tuna to get hit really hard. Could cram a few more folks on the Cowlitz...I think there's a little room left. More crabbing?
Post by: Stalker on April 16, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Didn't WDFW officials make the statement of who gives a s@#t about elk and deer and the sport fishing was where they would get the bulk of their funding? Guess that isn't going to work out so well. Looks like running over to middle bank more often........... :dunno:
Post by: fish vacuum on April 16, 2016, 04:24:25 PM
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Post by: Bullkllr on April 16, 2016, 06:09:35 PM
If it was a 100 percent closer across the board for EVERYONE, I don't think it would as big of a deal. But it wont be, and that is the issue....... Protect them by closing it down salt to spawn or open it up. Its an no brainer. All this cherry picking BS they do is a total waste of time. Get the nets out of the rivers.That's the problem. They want no impact on the weak wild runs by cancelling the mixed stock sport fisheries, but will still net the crap out of the runs going to hatcheries. Not saying the selective sport fishing doesn't have an impact, but come on- can't have it both ways.
Couple interesting links:
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/no-deal-at-north-of-falcon-salmon-season-in-uncharted-waters/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/no-deal-at-north-of-falcon-salmon-season-in-uncharted-waters/)
http://nwtreatytribes.org/treaty-tribes-propose-restricted-fisheries-face-historically-low-coho-year/ (http://nwtreatytribes.org/treaty-tribes-propose-restricted-fisheries-face-historically-low-coho-year/)
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 19, 2016, 09:30:11 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on April 19, 2016, 09:32:41 AM
Post by: PolarBear on April 19, 2016, 09:34:42 AM
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Post by: WAPatriot on April 19, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
Post by: PolarBear on April 19, 2016, 09:41:41 AM
Post by: jackmaster on April 19, 2016, 09:42:33 AM
Bet there won't be any shortage of nets across the rivers though, on the coast and in the Sound. :bash::yeah: :yeah: :yeah:. I know it wont ever happen fellas, but I really wish the natives and the wdfw would agree on both sides as well as commercial and shut all salmon and steelhead down for 5 years, keep planting, stocking and all that but shut all salmon and steelhead fishing of every kind down, then open it back up, if we did that and the commercial guys and natives regulated themselves better then the sport fisherman would actually have quality fishn again.. :twocents:
Post by: Mfowl on April 19, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
Bet there won't be any shortage of nets across the rivers though, on the coast and in the Sound. :bash::yeah: :yeah: :yeah:. I know it wont ever happen fellas, but I really wish the natives and the wdfw would agree on both sides as well as commercial and shut all salmon and steelhead down for 5 years, keep planting, stocking and all that but shut all salmon and steelhead fishing of every kind down, then open it back up, if we did that and the commercial guys and natives regulated themselves better then the sport fisherman would actually have quality fishn again.. :twocents:
It wouldn't makes sense for them to put a moratorium on salmon/steelhead fishing and continue to release hatchery fish. The intent of hatchery fish is to create a catch/kill fishery for sportees and netters alike. Without catching and killing these fish there would be too much danger that they would mix with native fish on the spawning beds and deplete the gene pool. In addition our licence dollars help fund hatchery programs. Without license sales during that period there would be no funding to sustain the hatchery programs. I agree it's a sad state of affairs we are faced with, wish I had the answers! :twocents:
Post by: PolarBear on April 19, 2016, 10:02:06 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on April 19, 2016, 11:04:21 AM
Post by: jackmaster on April 19, 2016, 11:51:16 AM
Seattle times article has a picture of an Indian throwing a spear to catch salmon. I love how they romantisize the tribes and there actions to the masses. Especially in the face of sportsman getting bend over.they should show everyone how they truly fish and the damage that they and commercial guys cause..
Post by: PolarBear on April 19, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
Post by: Special T on April 19, 2016, 01:01:32 PM
On a side note... salmon are not always the end game. Water rights are. Here in skagit county the Swinomish tribe has all well drilling rights locked up. You cant stick a well on your property in the mountains because everything in the watershed is considered part of the river. There are some huge financial shake downs in the works $ ammounts exponentially bigger than the $ made off netting salmon. I think the tribes are playing chess and many are not understanding how the far reaching effects of water rights are.
Post by: Wingin it on April 19, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
Post by: pd on April 22, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
The problem is that the Feds are going to fast track the Indian proposal and wait until the season is done to consider WDFW's, WTCrap is up with that?
Ed, from the outside it sure seems that way: About a month for the tribal proposal to pass muster with NOAA, but something like 7 months for the DFW plan to be approved. It seems like the state's proposal has to go through public comment periods and the like. This is new for everybody, and I doubt anybody likes this idea. I sure don't
Post by: lokidog on April 22, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on April 22, 2016, 09:21:09 PM
Post by: pd on April 22, 2016, 10:08:42 PM
Has there been a public comment period on previous North of Falcon proposals? I don't recall seeing them. It seems they (the agreed combo ones) have gone through in the time frame that the Indian's one will this year, why not now? :bash:
No. In the previous 30 years, the north of falcon process was resolved "amicably" between the tribes and DFW, so there was no need for further permitting from the federal government. If I get this right, this year would be the first time ever the state applied separately, which requires the longer process. At least that is what I understand of this. I am not sure why the tribal permit would be so much faster to process (maybe they don't require a public comment period??? not sure.).
Post by: pd on April 22, 2016, 10:09:57 PM
Has anyone seen or heard anything about what the Willapa Bay fishery will be like? Usually goes by the same rules as MA 2 but a 6 fish limit.
I think the state and the coastal tribes settled their issues already, so the plan must be good to go. I am not sure what it is. Can I get some smoked fish from you, again?? :chuckle:
Post by: Stickerbush on April 23, 2016, 08:08:46 AM
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Post by: singleshot12 on April 23, 2016, 04:59:10 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 23, 2016, 05:08:20 PM
Post by: Alpine Mojo on April 23, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
The sue the state because they can recover money from them via fees and "studies." The Tribes won't pay and they have no means to force them. This is a cash game.
:yeah: It's not about the salmon. It's all about $$$.
Post by: Special T on April 23, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
The sue the state because they can recover money from them via fees and "studies." The Tribes won't pay and they have no means to force them. This is a cash game.
This is definitely the case. If you even give the actions of other organizations a quick study you will find that most ESA realted issues revolve around some "Conservation" group suing the state and bilking you and me for some kind of action but more importantly a BUNCH of funds to reimburse the group.
Salmon, wolves, Spotted owl.... just a tool for control and $
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 27, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Post by: elkfins on April 27, 2016, 10:35:31 AM
The sue the state because they can recover money from them via fees and "studies." The Tribes won't pay and they have no means to force them. This is a cash game.From a legal standpoint, state law and the state courts have ZERO jurisdiction over the tribes. It would take a lawsuit in federal court to change tribal practices and once it comes to that, you're looking at years and years of appeals, money, etc. With their casino's, the tribes have an endless supply of money to pay attorneys.
What really needs to happen is the federal government needs to step in and enforce the existing laws - 50/50 split of the impacts on the resource. Enforcement and penalties from the feds would be pretty much the only way to force the tribes to comply.
WDFW every year is required to submit a report that outlines how their seasons impact ESA listed runs and to make sure that they stay below those impacts. The tribes, while they are also required to submit this report, never do... or they claim thier fisheries have 0 impact. We all know their gill nets far exceed the impact restrictions on these listed runs. They know this too... the science is pretty clear. Yet, they refuse to comply and nothing is done about it from a federal level.
Pretty disgusting if you ask me. Personally, I like the idea of WDFW securing their own federal fisheries permit even if it means no salmon fishing in PS this summer. The NOF process needs to change.
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 27, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2016, 10:41:54 AM
Post by: WSU on April 27, 2016, 10:48:48 AM
Perhaps a big hit to the wdfw's pocket book will instigate the shakeup necessary for them to a customer focused agency.
This was done exactly because WDFW was trying to look out for sportfishers. The tribes apparently said no fishing for sportsmen (including saying sport fishing is a waste of the resource and we shouldn't "play with our food") and indicated they would fish while we don't. WDFW, to their credit, told them to shove it and that WDFW wasn't going to agree to no sportfishing.
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2016, 10:56:23 AM
To me it appears that the tribe has over played its hand and will force a confrontation. I may not be looking at this quite right but if the tribes said no sportfishing and they close the whole season down in the short term the tribes get what they want. My point is that the wdfw seems to prefer fish lic $ so perhaps a big hit will add some urgency to the issue to properly resolve esa related issues.
Ive always though that salmon had to crash in order to bring tribes to the table. Perhaps there will be some venue for it now.
Post by: WSU on April 27, 2016, 11:03:12 AM
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Post by: krout81 on April 27, 2016, 11:57:25 AM
Post by: Special T on April 27, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
I see many news stories about hay bails, and confrontations on river road in our futureThe state just got done doing s fish passage on hwy 9 just south of Big lake and did one on Lake Cavanaugh rd 15 years ago for the salmon... nevermind the 20' waterfall on Nooachap creek by Big Rock HWY9. No salmon or anyother fish can make it there from the skagit no matter how much flood water there is!
Post by: krout81 on April 27, 2016, 01:47:19 PM
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Post by: Special T on April 27, 2016, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 27, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
Link has info for coast/coastal rivers. (in case you were bummed about no PS season and were thinking about trying some new spots)
Post by: jackmaster on April 28, 2016, 06:32:27 AM
I see many news stories about hay bails, and confrontations on river road in our futurei have seen that done a time or two when I was but a young spike buck, what humors me is to get to the stuck river those fish have to come up the puke, and that run is supposedly on the verge of extinction and has been since I was in high school, so riddle me this? Why would the war hoops keep netting a river that seriously endangers a run of supposedly protected fish, I thought natives held fish and game as the highest honor, I mean they name themselves after the fish and animals. I know I got off topic, sorry fellas
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Post by: elkfins on April 28, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
Yesterday WDFW met with them again and proposed a new fishing package for PS with a few more cuts to the Puyallup River fisheries. Tribes said no way so in a nutshell WDFW ended the talks.
In the past, WDFW and the tribes negotiated seasons and the state tagged onto the tribe's federal fishing permit. WDFW is applying for a seperate permit now. Now this falls on NOAA-Fisheries to approve the permits. There are a couple of people at NOAA that were pressuring WDFW to just take the deal and made statements to the effect that the states permit would take up to 8 months to approve. At this point, it is all speculation and I believe these statements were made by the NOAA staff to induce WDFW to just take the *censored*ty deal (makes it easier on NOAA).
Kudos to WDFW for standing up for us and not bowing to 2 tribes ultimatum.
If you want to be pissed at someone, WDFW is not the proper target. Be pissed at the Muckleshoots, Puyallups and NOAA for allowing the tribes to gillnet our salmon runs onto the ESA list. Tribes have been exceeding thier 50% quota for years now with no penalty.
What can you do now? Email and call our elected officials to pressure NOAA to A) fast track the states permit application and B) provide oversight and penalties to any parties that don't follow the rules and exceed quotas.
Join CCA and/or PSA if you haven't already. These 2 groups are the main groups that are fighting for our rights as sportsfishers. This link is a fast and easy way to email a pre-written letter to your elected officials. Change it as you wish but please, please, please do this. Only public pressure through our elected officials (many of which are up for re-election) will convince NOAA to change their policies.
https://www.votervoice.net/CCAPNW/Campaigns/46145/Respond?vvsn=BEnYDAGPACBRLAvybsO7BAA
Post by: WSU on April 28, 2016, 11:25:57 AM
WDFW stood up for sport fishermen in this mess. There were 2 tribes that made ultimatums for no sportfishing in the Puyallup River and MA9,10,&11. The Puyallups and the Muckleshoots.
Yesterday WDFW met with them again and proposed a new fishing package for PS with a few more cuts to the Puyallup River fisheries. Tribes said no way so in a nutshell WDFW ended the talks.
In the past, WDFW and the tribes negotiated seasons and the state tagged onto the tribe's federal fishing permit. WDFW is applying for a seperate permit now. Now this falls on NOAA-Fisheries to approve the permits. There are a couple of people at NOAA that were pressuring WDFW to just take the deal and made statements to the effect that the states permit would take up to 8 months to approve. At this point, it is all speculation and I believe these statements were made by the NOAA staff to induce WDFW to just take the *censored*ty deal (makes it easier on NOAA).
Kudos to WDFW for standing up for us and not bowing to 2 tribes ultimatum.
If you want to be pissed at someone, WDFW is not the proper target. Be pissed at the Muckleshoots, Puyallups and NOAA for allowing the tribes to gillnet our salmon runs onto the ESA list. Tribes have been exceeding thier 50% quota for years now with no penalty.
What can you do now? Email and call our elected officials to pressure NOAA to A) fast track the states permit application and B) provide oversight and penalties to any parties that don't follow the rules and exceed quotas.
Join CCA and/or PSA if you haven't already. These 2 groups are the main groups that are fighting for our rights as sportsfishers. This link is a fast and easy way to email a pre-written letter to your elected officials. Change it as you wish but please, please, please do this. Only public pressure through our elected officials (many of which are up for re-election) will convince NOAA to change their policies.
https://www.votervoice.net/CCAPNW/Campaigns/46145/Respond?vvsn=BEnYDAGPACBRLAvybsO7BAA
Amen! Also, those two groups were more actively throughout North of Falcon, including these last talks and putting pressure on all involved, than most here will ever know. Lots of people fighting the good fight, including, in this case, WDFW and Director Unsworth.
Post by: Huntin Hounds on April 28, 2016, 03:07:07 PM
On a side note stay strong WDFW! Now is the time to take a stand and save salmon fishing for future generations.
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 28, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
So if the tribes get their permit and the state does not what is the coarse of action? Do we as sport fishers stand up and take a card from the enviro folks and sue NOAA for allowing gillnetting on rivers with esa protected salmon. They would have had to proform an EIS at one point I would think. We might be able to find a discrepancy in the EIS that would make it void and get a judge to put a hold on all fishing until it is fixed. That could put enough pressure on the tribes to be willing to work with WDFW.
On a side note stay strong WDFW! Now is the time to take a stand and save salmon fishing for future generations.
Yup. Where is the WFC when you need them
Post by: Stalker on April 28, 2016, 03:44:39 PM
Post by: jstone on April 28, 2016, 03:50:52 PM
Post by: elkfins on April 28, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
So if the tribes get their permit and the state does not what is the coarse of action? Do we as sport fishers stand up and take a card from the enviro folks and sue NOAA for allowing gillnetting on rivers with esa protected salmon. They would have had to proform an EIS at one point I would think. We might be able to find a discrepancy in the EIS that would make it void and get a judge to put a hold on all fishing until it is fixed. That could put enough pressure on the tribes to be willing to work with WDFW.
On a side note stay strong WDFW! Now is the time to take a stand and save salmon fishing for future generations.
Great idea but lawsuits take money and the tribes are flush with it because of the casino's. I think we are better off making a huge noise to our elected officials to put pressure on NOAA to either fast track our permit or not allow the tribal permit until ours is approved as well.
So if PS salmon fishing is closed and the tribes are supposedly entitled to 50% of harvest and our harvest is 0% what are they getting 50% of? Who will be monitoring this quota? WDFW? Since we will not be on the water salmon fishing it should be easy enough for fish cops to focus on them. :bash: :bash:WDFW and the state government have no jurisdiction over the tribes in these matters. Only the feds can police the tribes. This is one of the reasons every tribal member that gets caught breaking a game law is referred to the tribal court and not prosecuted in state courts.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 28, 2016, 08:24:29 PM
So if PS salmon fishing is closed and the tribes are supposedly entitled to 50% of harvest and our harvest is 0% what are they getting 50% of? Who will be monitoring this quota? WDFW? Since we will not be on the water salmon fishing it should be easy enough for fish cops to focus on them. :bash: :bash:One thing to consider is 'foregone opportunity'. In the normal seasons, it is supposed to go 50/50 but if state harvest is only 40% then the tribes are allowed the extra 10%. The 50% isn't a maximum. In some cases in the past I think one or two of the tribes have given some of their quota to the state--but think it was a trade (give the state some coho in exchange for springers). For this season, if the state doesn't get a permit and can only get 0% then the tribes I think are allowed to take 100%. The quota is basically everything beyond the need for minimum sustained yield.
If someone can explain it better, please do.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on April 28, 2016, 08:57:16 PM
So if the tribes get their permit and the state does not what is the coarse of action? Do we as sport fishers stand up and take a card from the enviro folks and sue NOAA for allowing gillnetting on rivers with esa protected salmon. They would have had to proform an EIS at one point I would think. We might be able to find a discrepancy in the EIS that would make it void and get a judge to put a hold on all fishing until it is fixed. That could put enough pressure on the tribes to be willing to work with WDFW.
On a side note stay strong WDFW! Now is the time to take a stand and save salmon fishing for future generations.
Great idea but lawsuits take money and the tribes are flush with it because of the casino's. I think we are better off making a huge noise to our elected officials to put pressure on NOAA to either fast track our permit or not allow the tribal permit until ours is approved as well.
Email sent. To all of you on here that have friends, and family that gamble at these tribes establishments please remind them of what the tribes are doing to limit our access to our fisheries. Maybe if we can persuade a few thousand people to withhold their gambling for awhile the tribes may start to feel a pinch in their wallet.So if PS salmon fishing is closed and the tribes are supposedly entitled to 50% of harvest and our harvest is 0% what are they getting 50% of? Who will be monitoring this quota? WDFW? Since we will not be on the water salmon fishing it should be easy enough for fish cops to focus on them. :bash: :bash:WDFW and the state government have no jurisdiction over the tribes in these matters. Only the feds can police the tribes. This is one of the reasons every tribal member that gets caught breaking a game law is referred to the tribal court and not prosecuted in state courts.
Post by: lokidog on April 28, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
So if PS salmon fishing is closed and the tribes are supposedly entitled to 50% of harvest and our harvest is 0% what are they getting 50% of? Who will be monitoring this quota? WDFW? Since we will not be on the water salmon fishing it should be easy enough for fish cops to focus on them. :bash: :bash:
There's the rub isn't it? 50/50 should be exactly that!
Every Indian net needs to have someone with a video camera filming it as it comes in this year to show what is actually happening to the endangered salmon.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on April 29, 2016, 05:46:57 PM
WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
April 29, 2016
Contacts: Larry Phillips, (360) 870-1889;
Ron Warren, (360) 902-2799
Several Puget Sound-area marine, freshwater fisheries to close May 1
OLYMPIA – Five lakes and the lower sections of most rivers that flow into Puget Sound will close to all fishing beginning Sunday, May 1, when salmon and steelhead fishing also closes in the Sound.
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) officials said today they are closing state fisheries in waters where salmon migrate while they work to secure the federal permit required to hold salmon fisheries in Puget Sound. Typically, the state and tribes jointly obtain the federal permit for the Sound, where some fish stocks are protected under the federal Endangered Species Act. The current permit expires April 30.
However, many fishing opportunities remain available in and around Puget Sound. WDFW has posted a list of rivers and sections of rivers that are open to fishing on its webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/pugetsound_salmon_update. That page also has a list of Puget Sound area lakes that are closed to all fishing.
“Since we didn’t reach an agreement with treaty tribal co-managers on this year’s Puget Sound salmon fisheries, we have to close fishing in areas where we know salmon will be,” said Ron Warren, head of WDFW’s Fish Program.
For the next few months, those areas include several Puget Sound-region lakes and the lower reaches of streams where salmon smolts will travel on their way to the Sound.
Lakes that will close May 1 to all fishing include Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish (King County), Monte Cristo Lake (Snohomish County), Lake Cushman (Mason County), and Barney Lake (Skagit County).
Today’s action also applies to Puget Sound-area rivers that typically open to fishing in early June, though fishery managers will be evaluating those rivers to determine whether any can open on schedule.
All non-tribal commercial and recreational Puget Sound salmon and steelhead fisheries, including those in Marine Area 13 and year-round fishing piers around Puget Sound, will close May 1 to salmon and steelhead fishing until further notice. More detailed information about marine area closures can be found online at https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/.
The department is working with federal authorities and doing everything possible to re-open Puget Sound marine and freshwater fisheries, Warren said.
“We regret having to close these fisheries,” Warren said. “We know this is a hardship on many communities around Puget Sound and disappoints many anglers.”
In the meantime, Warren urged anglers to consider trying new fishing waters, emphasizing that most Puget Sound area lowland lakes remain open to fishing.
Also, he said recreational fisheries in Puget Sound marine areas that are not affected by the closures include bottomfish, such as lingcod, Pacific cod and cabezon, as well as sea-run cutthroat trout and halibut. These fisheries are covered under a separate permit and are open as scheduled. Anglers should check the 2015-16 Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet, available online at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/, for details.
Salmon fishing will continue as scheduled in the Columbia River and Washington’s ocean waters and north coastal rivers. Information on those fisheries can be found on WDFW’s webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/.
Post by: Mfowl on April 29, 2016, 06:42:28 PM
Just saw that they're closing Lake WA and Lake Sammamish to ALL fishing starting May 1 due to this. What a cluster. Can't even go bass or perch fishing!
WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
April 29, 2016
Contacts: Larry Phillips, (360) 870-1889;
Ron Warren, (360) 902-2799
Several Puget Sound-area marine, freshwater fisheries to close May 1
OLYMPIA – Five lakes and the lower sections of most rivers that flow into Puget Sound will close to all fishing beginning Sunday, May 1, when salmon and steelhead fishing also closes in the Sound.
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) officials said today they are closing state fisheries in waters where salmon migrate while they work to secure the federal permit required to hold salmon fisheries in Puget Sound. Typically, the state and tribes jointly obtain the federal permit for the Sound, where some fish stocks are protected under the federal Endangered Species Act. The current permit expires April 30.
However, many fishing opportunities remain available in and around Puget Sound. WDFW has posted a list of rivers and sections of rivers that are open to fishing on its webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/pugetsound_salmon_update. That page also has a list of Puget Sound area lakes that are closed to all fishing.
“Since we didn’t reach an agreement with treaty tribal co-managers on this year’s Puget Sound salmon fisheries, we have to close fishing in areas where we know salmon will be,” said Ron Warren, head of WDFW’s Fish Program.
For the next few months, those areas include several Puget Sound-region lakes and the lower reaches of streams where salmon smolts will travel on their way to the Sound.
Lakes that will close May 1 to all fishing include Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish (King County), Monte Cristo Lake (Snohomish County), Lake Cushman (Mason County), and Barney Lake (Skagit County).
Today’s action also applies to Puget Sound-area rivers that typically open to fishing in early June, though fishery managers will be evaluating those rivers to determine whether any can open on schedule.
All non-tribal commercial and recreational Puget Sound salmon and steelhead fisheries, including those in Marine Area 13 and year-round fishing piers around Puget Sound, will close May 1 to salmon and steelhead fishing until further notice. More detailed information about marine area closures can be found online at https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/.
The department is working with federal authorities and doing everything possible to re-open Puget Sound marine and freshwater fisheries, Warren said.
“We regret having to close these fisheries,” Warren said. “We know this is a hardship on many communities around Puget Sound and disappoints many anglers.”
In the meantime, Warren urged anglers to consider trying new fishing waters, emphasizing that most Puget Sound area lowland lakes remain open to fishing.
Also, he said recreational fisheries in Puget Sound marine areas that are not affected by the closures include bottomfish, such as lingcod, Pacific cod and cabezon, as well as sea-run cutthroat trout and halibut. These fisheries are covered under a separate permit and are open as scheduled. Anglers should check the 2015-16 Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet, available online at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/, for details.
Salmon fishing will continue as scheduled in the Columbia River and Washington’s ocean waters and north coastal rivers. Information on those fisheries can be found on WDFW’s webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/.
Unreal! WTF? :dunno:
Post by: lazydrifter on April 29, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
It doesn't matter if the sportsman get a salmon season or not. The tribes will still fish and there isn't a thing the state can do to stop it. And if the runs turn out to be bigger than thought the tribe will take the sportsmans 50% share of the harvestable fish that we didn't get.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on April 29, 2016, 07:55:00 PM
All the state has to do is legalize gambling statewide. The tribal casinos will be bankrupt within 6 months and their cash flow will be stopped.
It doesn't matter if the sportsman get a salmon season or not. The tribes will still fish and there isn't a thing the state can do to stop it. And if the runs turn out to be bigger than thought the tribe will take the sportsmans 50% share of the harvestable fish that we didn't get.
That would be the ultimate trump card for the state, the hard part would be getting Inslee to sign on for it. The Democrats coffers are full of tribal money in this state.
Post by: metlhead on April 30, 2016, 10:46:54 AM
I'm gonna fish anyways. Call it what you will, but I bought a license and will get all my pennies worth. I have been releasing almost aI'm l my wild coho for years. Didn't need to. Just thought it was the right thing to do. As Mouth said to his penny, "and I'm taking it back".
Post by: jackmaster on May 02, 2016, 06:18:04 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on May 02, 2016, 06:32:01 AM
I seen on the news that the state didn't get their permit in and since they couldn't agree with the tribes then we lose a couple rivers and some lakes, maybe it won't be as bad as everyone first thought.. I agree with state casinos it would force the tribes hand, but we also have ourselves to blame, we the people voted casinos down, I voted for as I am sure a lot did but the Indians sure spent a lot to make sure it never passed...
Remember all those anti-casino/gambling adds?
"Brought to you by the people who already run casinos" :bash:
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 02, 2016, 06:48:24 AM
I seen on the news that the state didn't get their permit in and since they couldn't agree with the tribes then we lose a couple rivers and some lakes, maybe it won't be as bad as everyone first thought.. I agree with state casinos it would force the tribes hand, but we also have ourselves to blame, we the people voted casinos down, I voted for as I am sure a lot did but the Indians sure spent a lot to make sure it never passed...
State needs to find the money to apply for the permit and then the permit process can take 4-6 months...It will be as bad as first thought. Only positive is that separating from the tribes will be good for us in the long run.
Post by: Angry Perch on May 02, 2016, 08:03:07 AM
Post by: TheHunt on May 02, 2016, 08:06:35 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on May 02, 2016, 08:39:44 AM
Post by: WSU on May 02, 2016, 08:57:13 AM
sadly i could see this stuff coming more and more, since they've started closing rivers on certain days so the indians can net without "interference".
That has been done in order to secure agreement. I would bet that won't be happening again unless they come to the table.
Post by: ryan2202 on May 02, 2016, 10:45:34 AM
Post by: Special T on May 02, 2016, 12:53:37 PM
Post by: Curly on May 02, 2016, 01:02:15 PM
Then the damned sealions are sitting below Bonneville dam just feasting on salmon, steelhead and sturgeon. It's stupid not to shoot at least half of them. :archery_smiley:
Post by: singleshot12 on May 02, 2016, 01:33:01 PM
Imagine how the tribes felt as we began our take over many decades back. Funny that we are in their shoes now. Oh well
:yeah: Things do have a way of becoming full circle. The tribes are now using white man's way to gain back power and live again. Can't blaim em :dunno: Maybe all of us of European decent need to go back where we came from? Might be easier than fighting them all over again :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 02, 2016, 01:55:17 PM
And then they can go back to earlier inhabitant claims. And then those back to even earlier. Maybe the first tribes that crossed the Bering Strait eventually go back to Siberia. Then everybody, everywhere just goes back to sub-Saharan Africa. :dunno:Imagine how the tribes felt as we began our take over many decades back. Funny that we are in their shoes now. Oh well
:yeah: Things do have a way of becoming full circle. The tribes are now using white man's way to gain back power and live again. Can't blaim em :dunno: Maybe all of us of European decent need to go back where we came from? Might be easier than fighting them all over again :dunno:
Post by: cavemann on May 02, 2016, 02:00:23 PM
Post by: pd on May 03, 2016, 06:12:59 PM
This just in from the CCA.
We need you to support our RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY this Thursday, May 5, in Lacey starting at 11:30AM! We will be meeting at NOAA’s office, located at 510 Desmond Drive SE in Lacey.
This year’s salmon season setting process fell apart when WDFW and the Puget Sound treaty tribes failed to reach agreement. As a result, we were told that neither group would be allowed to fish until either an agreement was in place or a federal permit was issued by NOAA. To date, neither of those have happened and yet the treaty tribes are commencing commercial gillnet fisheries that impact endangered salmon populations.
At the same time, all Puget Sound recreational salmon fisheries - including fisheries in Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish - are shut down with no sign that federal officials plan to take action. This is a slap in the face to the nearly quarter million recreational anglers who make Puget Sound sport fisheries a $100+ million industry! It is uncertain if NOAA will allow any non-tribal fisheries this year. We need you to help us put pressure on NOAA to approve non-tribal fisheries and restore balance to Puget Sound salmon management.
This is your chance to show up and let our federal fisheries managers know how you feel. We need your help to:
Restore fairness and equality in harvest sharing – consistent with the Boldt Decision;
Provide transparency to a broken co-management process;
Hold our federal government accountable for properly managing our fisheries;
Continue our role as leaders in common sense conservation of our marine resources.
Please show up and let your voice be heard! Make sure any signs or statements are positive and respectful – key messages include fairness, transparency, and cooperation – hallmarks of the rule of law and co-management.
What: RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY
When: Thursday, May 5, at 11:30 AM
Where: NOAA’s Lacey office (510 Desmond Dr SE)
CCA Washington also joined a coalition of recreational anglers in sending a letter to Governor Inslee and our Congressional delegation urging them to engage in the issue.
Thank you,
CCA Washington
Post by: Bullkllr on May 04, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Puget Sound Anglers has a "Voter Voice" that goes out to multiple elected officials.
https://www.votervoice.net/PSA/campaigns/46262/respond (https://www.votervoice.net/PSA/campaigns/46262/respond)
It's something. The "stand back and let our managers take care of it" approach is clearly not working.
Post by: WSU on May 04, 2016, 07:49:48 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on May 04, 2016, 10:15:15 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 04, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
Let's say, just for fun, that I didn't get the email about Sammamish, Washington, etc. being closed. Someone show me where I can go on the WDFW site to find an emergency rule change.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/pugetsound_salmon_update/
Post by: Angry Perch on May 04, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Let's say, just for fun, that I didn't get the email about Sammamish, Washington, etc. being closed. Someone show me where I can go on the WDFW site to find an emergency rule change.
OK, now I see the notice on the home page, but it's funny that if you go to emergency rules for freshwater, or check the individual lakes, they specifically say no emergency rules are in place. looks like a get out of jail free card to me.
Post by: Special T on May 04, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
Post by: SpringerFan on May 04, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on May 04, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on May 04, 2016, 06:30:15 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 05, 2016, 12:07:31 AM
Post by: SpringerFan on May 05, 2016, 06:17:10 AM
Post by: Whitpirate on May 05, 2016, 07:15:49 AM
What a crock.http://nwtreatytribes.org/tribal-statement-may-fisheries/
"Tribal treaty fisheries are essential to the tribes’ subsistence, economy, and culture and way of life." --- someone needs to get a better editor for content if that's going to be your flagship statement all the time.
AND AND AND AND
Post by: Special T on May 05, 2016, 07:23:54 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on May 26, 2016, 04:23:47 PM
Post by: bowNarrow on May 26, 2016, 06:15:19 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 26, 2016, 06:33:39 PM
Post by: chester on May 26, 2016, 06:41:25 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 26, 2016, 07:05:30 PM
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Post by: gonehuntin68 on May 26, 2016, 08:13:20 PM
Post by: plugger on May 27, 2016, 05:06:20 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 27, 2016, 05:28:36 AM
The tribes were out netting the Skagit today.
Those don't look like traditional canoes
Post by: Axle on May 27, 2016, 08:13:17 AM
Looks like there will be a season after all. They came to an agreement.
Going to need more info on this info. And pitchers. Lots of pitchers!
Post by: hunter_sean08 on May 27, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Post by: hunter_sean08 on May 27, 2016, 08:36:51 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 27, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
Area 8-2 * 8-1 closed for Silvers. Brief king season in area 9. I'm guessing that will last a few days only with the pressure that will be there.
Post by: hunter_sean08 on May 27, 2016, 08:43:02 AM
Post by: CP on May 27, 2016, 08:47:34 AM
Post by: The100Road on May 27, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
I don't think I will buy a fishing license this year.
I already did, Do you know if it can be refunded sense there is no Puyallup river fishing this year if you arnt indian?
Post by: PolarBear on May 27, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Post by: Mfowl on May 27, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
Post by: Axle on May 27, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
I still can't believe they closed those lakes for all fishing. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Mfowl on May 27, 2016, 09:11:58 AM
I'm not at all interested in salmon or steelhead. I just want to get out on Sammamish and Washington for crappie and bass.
I still can't believe they closed those lakes for all fishing. :bash: :bash: :bash:
I hear you, prime topwater time is right now and will slow way down as the spawn ends and smolts move out of the lake!
Post by: MtnMuley on May 27, 2016, 09:19:23 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 27, 2016, 09:30:13 AM
Post by: chester on May 27, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
Samm and WA to open "soon".
Where did you get this info?
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Post by: bigtex on May 27, 2016, 09:36:09 AM
:yeah:Samm and WA to open "soon".Where did you get this info?
It'll happen once the federal permit is issued.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2016, 03:57:48 PM
Post by: bigtex on May 27, 2016, 04:05:51 PM
Do you think it will take 8 weeks as stated above to get the permit?No.
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Post by: Oh Mah on June 03, 2016, 11:14:38 PM
Post by: chester on June 03, 2016, 11:34:46 PM
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