Post by: gee_unit360 on July 03, 2016, 12:00:27 AM
Thanks
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2016, 12:02:35 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on July 03, 2016, 12:57:51 AM
Very easy install and getting them setup is just as easy as normal iron sights. I shoot far better with a peep then I do with normal open sights.
:yeah:
Post by: WoolyRunner on July 03, 2016, 04:41:19 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 03, 2016, 05:53:37 AM
Post by: dc on July 03, 2016, 06:04:21 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 03, 2016, 09:02:58 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 03, 2016, 09:44:24 AM
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 03, 2016, 03:37:02 PM
I put a Williams peep on mine, really like it. The front sight is the original fiber sight on my t/c, I like what Jackelope did, a smaller sight with the ring around it.
Did you have to adjust the original front fiber optic sight at all after putting on the Thompson peep.
Post by: ghosthunter on July 03, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
I put a Williams peep on my Bighorn, easy to install and it improved my accuracy. I wouldn't personally shoot a muzzleloader without one.
:yeah:
I did the same big difference for my old eyes.
Post by: floatinghat on July 03, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
what are your hunting conditions and what are you expectations?
Post by: PA BEN on July 04, 2016, 05:51:17 AM
I bought 2 sets of peeps. a few years ago. 1 for my muzzy and 1 for my sons. I took mine off after experiencing extreme frustration of it blocking out too much of an elk in a herd. Never put my sons on his muzzy. Not a fan of peeps in thick stuff. Probably better in open country. But the only reason I would ever use them again would be for target shooting!I started hunting when I was 14 w a model 94 30-30. My dad put a peep on it right out of the box. Opening is important, I like bigger the better. I have the T/C peep on my black Diamond and a Williams on my NW magnum. Great brush gun
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 04, 2016, 06:34:03 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 04, 2016, 01:38:37 PM
I'm considering putting peep sights on a knight big horn 50 cal. Whats your opinion on peep sight accuracy, and how difficult is it to mount the peep sights and get them shooting accurately at the range?
Thanks
As many have said the Peep is a great tool to improve accuracy. The one big thing in learning to shoot a peep is to trust your eye and allow it to align the bead in the peep.
I use a peep on all of my Western muzzleloaders.
The Williams FP (Fool Proof) Peep is what I use most often. It uses the same click system as a scope 1/4" clicks....
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FP1010002a.jpg&hash=a8c01d3ac26b53cfa02d856ff4d1213e112df7aa) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/P1010002a.jpg.html)
In my case I also change the front sight system. I switch the factory sight out to a Williams Streamline Ramp, a Williams .343N dovetail bead, and a Fire Site hood. With this combination it makes it appear that you are looking through a 1X scope.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FWhite%2520Lightening%2FFSHood.jpg&hash=35f41c722790d15a9bbfa0020418dd744a8c8d57) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/White%20Lightening/FSHood.jpg.html)
An additional factor, when the light is dim you can remove the Peep aperture and use the sight as a ghost ring...
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 04, 2016, 01:51:32 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 04, 2016, 02:46:35 PM
Post by: JDHasty on July 04, 2016, 05:18:47 PM
I bought 2 sets of peeps. a few years ago. 1 for my muzzy and 1 for my sons. I took mine off after experiencing extreme frustration of it blocking out too much of an elk in a herd. Never put my sons on his muzzy. Not a fan of peeps in thick stuff. Probably better in open country. But the only reason I would ever use them again would be for target shooting!
Peep sight should block out nothing more than what the front sight is covering and not even that if you shoot w/both eyes open.
Post by: danderson on July 04, 2016, 05:53:16 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on July 04, 2016, 07:12:06 PM
The aperture sight is best for the range or more open country. Low light? Forget it.
Post by: MountainWalk on July 04, 2016, 07:13:33 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 04, 2016, 07:59:10 PM
I bought 2 sets of peeps. a few years ago. 1 for my muzzy and 1 for my sons. I took mine off after experiencing extreme frustration of it blocking out too much of an elk in a herd. Never put my sons on his muzzy. Not a fan of peeps in thick stuff. Probably better in open country. But the only reason I would ever use them again would be for target shooting!
Peep sight should block out nothing more than what the front sight is covering and not even that if you shoot w/both eyes open.
I don't shoot with both eyes open. And the sight blocked out enough to cost me an elk a couple times in the same day. These were Williams fp sights too. There is no doubt in my mind that I could have seen a better picture and made the shot with open sights. Done it before.
Post by: JDHasty on July 04, 2016, 08:22:13 PM
I bought 2 sets of peeps. a few years ago. 1 for my muzzy and 1 for my sons. I took mine off after experiencing extreme frustration of it blocking out too much of an elk in a herd. Never put my sons on his muzzy. Not a fan of peeps in thick stuff. Probably better in open country. But the only reason I would ever use them again would be for target shooting!
Peep sight should block out nothing more than what the front sight is covering and not even that if you shoot w/both eyes open.
I don't shoot with both eyes open. And the sight blocked out enough to cost me an elk a couple times in the same day. These were Williams fp sights too. There is no doubt in my mind that I could have seen a better picture and made the shot with open sights. Done it before.
I have also known people who never could use an apperature sight, for some reason the same individuals cannot shoot a scoped handgun either.
In my case I don't even notice the rear sight and it is as natural as pointing a shotgun. I have shot a lot of target rifles using aperture sights though.
For those who cannot use a peep sight, open sights are the only alternative in Washington for ML season.
Post by: Goex2Fwithroundball on July 05, 2016, 07:07:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 05, 2016, 08:25:00 AM
Peep sights are generally considered for target shooting not hunting. As one member mentioned above the peep will block out the surrounding area when aiming. Open sights are a much better choice for hunting and acquiring a quick aim.
I think that might vary a little from person to person, but I can tell you personally that the upgraded sight setup was 10x better than the factory open/iron sights as far as sight picture goes for me.
If you're not upgrading the post to a smaller sized post, then I'm right there with you.
Post by: JDHasty on July 05, 2016, 08:38:15 AM
Peep sights are generally considered for target shooting not hunting. As one member mentioned above the peep will block out the surrounding area when aiming. Open sights are a much better choice for hunting and acquiring a quick aim.
No they do not. Utilized correctly a rear aperture sight blocks out NOTHING. Open sights, on the other hand, when correctly used, block out much of your target animal. The illustration below, courtesy of Jack O'Conner, actually shows the view through an aperture sight that is positioned too far away from the shooter's eye. Correctly set up the sight picture using a rear peep sight would favor the aperture sight even more.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 05, 2016, 08:55:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 05, 2016, 09:09:13 AM
Think some of them are saying that in their case the rear aperture is blocking out too much peripheral and they lose too much FOV. That is why I like the sight way back and the disc not too wide, it seems to fade away and not destroy FOV.
I see your logic here. My peep was mounted on a weaver style base mounted into the rear scope base holes. It was way back.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 05, 2016, 09:18:59 AM
I followed sabotloader with his setup. I did the front hood and dovetail sight. Didn't care for that much. Re installed my factory front sight. Still have the Williams fp rear sight. I'm shooting great groups out to 200 yards.Do you still have the front sight set up? Any interest in selling it? Does it fit knight rifles?
Post by: JDHasty on July 05, 2016, 09:27:19 AM
Think some of them are saying that in their case the rear aperture is blocking out too much peripheral and they lose too much FOV. That is why I like the sight way back and the disc not too wide, it seems to fade away and not destroy FOV.
I see your logic here. My peep was mounted on a weaver style base mounted into the rear scope base holes. It was way back.
Generally speaking the location of rear scope base would be about the maximum distance from the shooter's eye that you would want the aperture to be located. Depending on the location of the rear sight base on the receiver of the rifle, of course. If you are talking target blocks mounted to the barrel in front of the receiver then this would not apply, but in the case of most rifles it would.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on July 05, 2016, 12:20:34 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on July 05, 2016, 01:19:22 PM
Yes, that reminds me, I had to order a taller front sight because the peep was taller than the original front sight. Sorry, forgot till you asked.I put a Williams peep on mine, really like it. The front sight is the original fiber sight on my t/c, I like what Jackelope did, a smaller sight with the ring around it.
Did you have to adjust the original front fiber optic sight at all after putting on the Thompson peep.
Post by: Sabotloader on July 05, 2016, 05:43:38 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 06, 2016, 10:20:13 PM
Post by: lokidog on July 06, 2016, 11:29:07 PM
When hunting early morning or late evening, I will remove the small aperture bell from my rear sight and use it like a ghost ring. The decrease in accuracy is made up for the fact that my shooting distance will be reduced in the low light conditions. When I am target shooting, I will use the smallest aperture that I have for increased accuracy.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 07, 2016, 05:58:20 AM
Took this picture the other day and it fits the topic. Williams peep. Not sure how in the heck this thing could block much of a dik dik, let alone an elk :chuckle:looks just like mine
Post by: HntnFsh on July 09, 2016, 12:02:02 PM
Took this picture the other day and it fits the topic. Williams peep. Not sure how in the heck this thing could block much of a dik dik, let alone an elk :chuckle:
How much eye relief you allowing for with that pic? Doesn't look like much. See that big thick ring that makes a peep. That's what blocks things out!
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 09, 2016, 12:14:32 PM
Took this picture the other day and it fits the topic. Williams peep. Not sure how in the heck this thing could block much of a dik dik, let alone an elk :chuckle:
How much eye relief you allowing for with that pic? Doesn't look like much. See that big thick ring that makes a peep. That's what blocks things out!
You must sit back pretty far from it then because my FOV is substantial
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 09, 2016, 12:21:40 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on July 09, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on July 09, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
As I mentioned, I shoot an aperture sight EVERY day. 1-10 shots a day. All with an aperture. So I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
There's no doubt about the accuracy of a good aperture. They are that. Seems like people are missing some points though.
When I got my 35 with the Redfield peep, I was Gung ho about it being my brush rifle, and my featherweight '06 with a Luepy fixed 4 for more open country use.
Well, got it backwards. The scope beats the peep, and the standard open sights beat the peep. So now my 35 with peep has swapped jobs with the scoped rifle.
Peeps just plain suck in low light. First light or dusk in the doghair with a peep? Forget it.
And all this biz about shooting groups with a muzzleloader is just laughable to me. When I shoot a muzzleloader, it's one shot per target. It's the only thing that matters.i don't care if I can make 3-5 muzzleloader shots real close together because it just doesn't apply in real life. So to me putting a peep sight on a single shot weapon for smaller groups is pretty silly. How many shots do you normally need anyways?
Post by: 180-GRAIN on July 09, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
This just makes me laugh. People talking about what other people should see etc.
As I mentioned, I shoot an aperture sight EVERY day. 1-10 shots a day. All with an aperture. So I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
There's no doubt about the accuracy of a good aperture. They are that. Seems like people are missing some points though.
When I got my 35 with the Redfield peep, I was Gung ho about it being my brush rifle, and my featherweight '06 with a Luepy fixed 4 for more open country use.
Well, got it backwards. The scope beats the peep, and the standard open sights beat the peep. So now my 35 with peep has swapped jobs with the scoped rifle.
Peeps just plain suck in low light. First light or dusk in the doghair with a peep? Forget it.
And all this biz about shooting groups with a muzzleloader is just laughable to me. When I shoot a muzzleloader, it's one shot per target. It's the only thing that matters.i don't care if I can make 3-5 muzzleloader shots real close together because it just doesn't apply in real life. So to me putting a peep sight on a single shot weapon for smaller groups is pretty silly. How many shots do you normally need anyways?
As many shots as it takes :tup:. Obviously you always try to make your first shot count but in real life that's not always going to be the case so sometimes you need a follow up. Maybe a group doesn't matter With a muzzy but it sure helps my confidence shooting if I'm putting bullets in a good place consistently.
Post by: JDHasty on July 09, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
Might want to keep your pettifogger on retainer and have his number in speed dial though.
Post by: MountainWalk on July 09, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
Post by: lokidog on July 09, 2016, 10:33:53 PM
This just makes me laugh. People talking about what other people should see etc.
As I mentioned, I shoot an aperture sight EVERY day. 1-10 shots a day. All with an aperture. So I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
There's no doubt about the accuracy of a good aperture. They are that. Seems like people are missing some points though.
When I got my 35 with the Redfield peep, I was Gung ho about it being my brush rifle, and my featherweight '06 with a Luepy fixed 4 for more open country use.
Well, got it backwards. The scope beats the peep, and the standard open sights beat the peep. So now my 35 with peep has swapped jobs with the scoped rifle.
Peeps just plain suck in low light. First light or dusk in the doghair with a peep? Forget it.
And all this biz about shooting groups with a muzzleloader is just laughable to me. When I shoot a muzzleloader, it's one shot per target. It's the only thing that matters.i don't care if I can make 3-5 muzzleloader shots real close together because it just doesn't apply in real life. So to me putting a peep sight on a single shot weapon for smaller groups is pretty silly. How many shots do you normally need anyways?
Why would you not want the most accurate sighting system possible, even on a single shot firearm? Just because your original thoughts on how your sighting systems would work were inaccurate, doesn't mean you know best for everyone else. :dunno: I am happy with the confidence I have in my gun putting the bullet where the sight is if I do my part.
Sure, a peep sucks up more light in low light conditions, if you feel you need to shoot in the first or last seconds of legal light or in the dark depths of the woods, there is a way to make the peep allow more light in, you just remove the bell and use the threaded ring as your rear sight. I've found I am almost as accurate at closer distances as with the bell and smaller aperture.
Post by: MountainWalk on July 09, 2016, 10:48:29 PM
Well, an elk at 50 yards really isn't all that hard to hit. My groups are nearly always one shot. And it always equals dead animals. Lungs are a pretty big target.
Yeah, I could remove the aperture, then screw it back on later. But I don't screw around with my guns and lose "stuff" out in the woods. K.I.S.S. I like my gear set it and forget it.
So, my brush rifle wears a scope. And my muzzleloader uses very low express style sights. Even my wife is able to hit targets the size of coffee cans out to 80 yes or so.
Post by: klickman on July 13, 2016, 11:13:42 PM
This was a good read. I am going to try this setup on my bighorn
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 26, 2016, 07:11:36 PM
-Dustin
Post by: Sabotloader on August 26, 2016, 07:19:05 PM
All well and good with your brush hunter, but here in the PacNorWest we can not use scopes during ML season...
I should also add I have been using peeps for way many years and would suggest them all day over the standard open sights...
This rear peep:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FKnight%2520MK-85%2FOpen.jpg&hash=4b32ec38b4570770b1093c6b20362720164debaf) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Knight%20MK-85/Open.jpg.html)
Along with this combination the front:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FWhite%2520Lightening%2FFSHood.jpg&hash=35f41c722790d15a9bbfa0020418dd744a8c8d57) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/White%20Lightening/FSHood.jpg.html)
Actually make it feel like you might be looking through a 1X scope...
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 27, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on August 31, 2016, 11:02:47 PM
reviving an old thread... what the difference between a ghost ring rear, and a peep. its just the size of the hole right ?? I struggle with the sights on my cva buckhorn. going to get the cva ghost ring. I used one on a shotgun the other day trying to shoot clays. took some getting used to from my tru glo bead.. but I think it would work good on my smoke stickI'm also curious what others think of ghost rings.
-Dustin
Post by: Bullmoose on September 01, 2016, 11:06:09 AM