Post by: fireguy459 on June 19, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
Post by: SI Eagle on June 19, 2017, 08:09:43 PM
Post by: JoeE on June 19, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 19, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
Paging @trophyhuntlol, wait, that's not funny!!!! 22 points for quality elk, wasn't the toughest draw either, Dayton rifle. I also have 22 points for bull, ghost this year. When I had 20 for bull I didn't draw either. Wdfw really does hate me.
Post by: Reidus on June 19, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
Paging @trophyhuntlol, wait, that's not funny!!!! 22 points for quality elk, wasn't the toughest draw either, Dayton rifle. I also have 22 points for bull, ghost this year. When I had 20 for bull I didn't draw either. Wdfw really does hate me.
How many of the 22 years did you ghost point for quality elk?
Post by: grousetracker on June 19, 2017, 08:25:33 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 19, 2017, 08:28:12 PM
none, have ghost pointed my bull but not the quality.Paging @trophyhuntlol, wait, that's not funny!!!! 22 points for quality elk, wasn't the toughest draw either, Dayton rifle. I also have 22 points for bull, ghost this year. When I had 20 for bull I didn't draw either. Wdfw really does hate me.
How many of the 22 years did you ghost point for quality elk?
Post by: greenhead_killer on June 19, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
23 including this years point, 23 goat 23 sheep,23 moose, 23 quality elkthis shows how messed up the system is. Best of luck in the future
Post by: Reidus on June 19, 2017, 08:36:13 PM
none, have ghost pointed my bull but not the quality.Paging @trophyhuntlol, wait, that's not funny!!!! 22 points for quality elk, wasn't the toughest draw either, Dayton rifle. I also have 22 points for bull, ghost this year. When I had 20 for bull I didn't draw either. Wdfw really does hate me.
How many of the 22 years did you ghost point for quality elk?
crazy!
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2017, 08:52:37 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 19, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
23 including this years point, 23 goat 23 sheep,23 moose, 23 quality elk
FYI/FWIW
The maximum number of points a person can have in any category is 22, (that includes the point for 2017)
The only way to have more points than that is to have them awarded to you by WDFW, (turn in poacher, etc.) Poaching bonus points are only given in deer and elk categories, very hard to get bonus points in OIL's
Post by: SGTDuffman on June 19, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2017, 09:28:12 PM
If there's a max, they need to fix this.There is no max. The system has been in place since 1996 (22 seasons) so there are few with more points than that.
Post by: Reidus on June 19, 2017, 09:28:37 PM
If there's a max, they need to fix this.
point system has only been going for 22 or 23 years so the "max" points you could have is 22 or 23 or whatever it is. If you have more, you did some good deed for wdfw and they rewarded you with points.
Post by: emac on June 19, 2017, 10:02:10 PM
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Post by: fireguy459 on June 19, 2017, 10:11:22 PM
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Post by: throttlejocky20 on June 20, 2017, 01:31:27 PM
Post by: LabChamp on June 20, 2017, 01:40:16 PM
23 including this years point, 23 goat 23 sheep,23 moose, 23 quality elkthis shows how messed up the system is. Best of luck in the future
Got that right.Im at 18 points will have 19 going in next year for all OIL permits. Thinking about going Idaho draw instead next year. I cant justify to continue to put in here in WA when high point holders odds of drawing actually go down every year
Post by: trophyhunt on June 20, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
Post by: Reidus on June 20, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
When I think back I just laugh, when I had 8 points I called a biologist who worked the Margaret unit. I thought for sure w 8 points I was drawing, no doubt!!! Lol, 14 years later still trying, of course I changed my choice from the Margaret to the blues when I hit 10 points. I was 23 or 24 last time I drew a quality elk permit, 48 in a couple weeks. Sad for a resident
A few people probably drew margaret with 6pts at the time and have drawn a blues tag since then.
Post by: MuzzyHunter28 on June 20, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Post by: Reidus on June 20, 2017, 09:31:47 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on June 21, 2017, 06:40:34 AM
NR special pernits are limited to 10% or less in most states so your odds aren't always better. Now idaho residents have pretty good odds at some good tags! I bet there's quite a few tags in idaho that are better than washington quality hunts and easier to draw, even as a NR.I don't like to spread this word too much but my odds of drawing a sheep tag in most units are better than drawing most of the premium deer, elk or really any buck antelope tags here in Idaho as a resident.
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Post by: smoon on June 29, 2017, 02:57:04 PM
Post by: theleo on June 29, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
As long as you're willing to forgo applying for any deer, elk, or antelope tags in your state until you kill your sheep.NR special pernits are limited to 10% or less in most states so your odds aren't always better. Now idaho residents have pretty good odds at some good tags! I bet there's quite a few tags in idaho that are better than washington quality hunts and easier to draw, even as a NR.I don't like to spread this word too much but my odds of drawing a sheep tag in most units are better than drawing most of the premium deer, elk or really any buck antelope tags here in Idaho as a resident.
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on July 02, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on July 02, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on July 02, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on July 02, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Edit for spelling.
Post by: Brushbuster on July 02, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
People on here talk like their high point totals should insure that they draw their preferred hard to draw tag choice, but the simple fact is that the Washington draw system is a lottery, all you get for your points is more tickets in the draw, no guaranteed draws like preference point systems, it is strictly the "LUCK" of the draw. Only 2 ways to fix the system at all, 1. Less names in the draw, 2. more tags available.
Edit for spelling.
There is a 3rd way similar to what Oregon, Utah, Colorado, & Wyoming does is give the tags to the people with the most points. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: winshooter88 on July 03, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
Post by: Brushbuster on July 03, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
Actually, that doesn't work, when the GMAC group looked at the points system a couple years ago that was one of the ideas, but with the limited amount of tags available overall and the number of people in the "high point category" giving a percentage, say 25% of the available tags to the highest point holders would just be a feel good move as they already draw that amount or more in most draws. Plus the fact that people enter the group faster than they go out of it even if you gave 50% to the high point holders the group would only keep getting larger. This would also be unfair to the people just getting started because they would have even less chance of drawing any special tags in the system. :bdid:
The people just getting started? Many of those people have drawn a tag & are starting over with no points. I've drawn the quality Bull tag three times! How is that fair to someone setting there with 22 points who has never drawn? Everyone should have their first tag before someone gets a second one. That's fair.
Post by: X-Force on July 03, 2017, 08:52:54 AM
Actually, that doesn't work, when the GMAC group looked at the points system a couple years ago that was one of the ideas, but with the limited amount of tags available overall and the number of people in the "high point category" giving a percentage, say 25% of the available tags to the highest point holders would just be a feel good move as they already draw that amount or more in most draws. Plus the fact that people enter the group faster than they go out of it even if you gave 50% to the high point holders the group would only keep getting larger. This would also be unfair to the people just getting started because they would have even less chance of drawing any special tags in the system. :bdid:
The people just getting started? Many of those people have drawn a tag & are starting over with no points. I've drawn the quality Bull tag three times! How is that fair to someone setting there with 22 points who has never drawn? Everyone should have their first tag before someone gets a second one. That's fair.
Its pretty easy to say its fair. obviously the person with 22 points is putting in for extremely hard to draw permits.
Since 2010 you have drawn quality bull? pm me what unit please!
Post by: bobcat on July 03, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on July 03, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
As long as you're willing to forgo applying for any deer, elk, or antelope tags in your state until you kill your sheep.NR special pernits are limited to 10% or less in most states so your odds aren't always better. Now idaho residents have pretty good odds at some good tags! I bet there's quite a few tags in idaho that are better than washington quality hunts and easier to draw, even as a NR.I don't like to spread this word too much but my odds of drawing a sheep tag in most units are better than drawing most of the premium deer, elk or really any buck antelope tags here in Idaho as a resident.
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I applied for sheep this year, I didn't draw but I also have an any bull elk tag, 2 deer tags and an antelope tag, and may end up with a 3rd deer tag if I want to spend the bucks.
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Post by: G-S on July 03, 2017, 12:08:48 PM
Post by: Roperfive88 on July 03, 2017, 12:33:50 PM
Actually, that doesn't work, when the GMAC group looked at the points system a couple years ago that was one of the ideas, but with the limited amount of tags available overall and the number of people in the "high point category" giving a percentage, say 25% of the available tags to the highest point holders would just be a feel good move as they already draw that amount or more in most draws. Plus the fact that people enter the group faster than they go out of it even if you gave 50% to the high point holders the group would only keep getting larger. This would also be unfair to the people just getting started because they would have even less chance of drawing any special tags in the system. :bdid:
The people just getting started? Many of those people have drawn a tag & are starting over with no points. I've drawn the quality Bull tag three times! How is that fair to someone setting there with 22 points who has never drawn? Everyone should have their first tag before someone gets a second one. That's fair.
"Everyone should have their first tag before someone gets a second one. That's fair." This is an impossible to fulfill statements even if this were done there would be people that would never draw under this thinking. People need to quit thinking that it is a right to draw a premium tag because I have been applying forever and have some points. It is not possible for everyone.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on July 03, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
If the odds to draw are less than 2%, there is no logical reason to expect to draw a permit over a lifetime no matter how many points you have. At least with the Washington special permits lottery, your odds increase the longer you play, but it's still a lottery. When we had just one category per species, a hunter could decide to put in for meat, a less crowded but not great easy to draw permit, or to hold out for long odds. Now that we have four different categories, we get to spend four times as much for what are now much more lotteries in all categories. The easier the hunt you put in for was to draw under the one per species option, the more screwed you got with the multiple categories.
Post by: wheels on July 03, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on July 03, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
How did you get an antelope tag if you put in for sheepUnlimited archery
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Post by: G-S on July 03, 2017, 07:34:48 PM
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Post by: zwickeyman on July 14, 2017, 05:26:30 AM
19 for Sheep
19 for Moose
I honestly believe I will never draw an oil but I'm going to keep trying
Post by: TD3939 on July 14, 2017, 07:47:31 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on July 15, 2017, 02:20:10 PM
22 points for quality and Bull. I hate this state and everything about the way they do business. I hate everything here but the Seahawks and even Richard Shermans starting to piss me off.
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Post by: highside74 on July 15, 2017, 05:01:15 PM
22 points for quality and Bull. I hate this state and everything about the way they do business. I hate everything here but the Seahawks and even Richard Shermans starting to piss me off.
Preach it
Post by: jeffitz on July 16, 2017, 08:22:58 AM
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