Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
Looks to be a 14ft olymic? With a 50hp evinrude. Friend of the family, just doesn't do boats think he got it in a trade along time ago.
Any advice for these style boats? I literally have only every operated a tiller driven john boat. Plan to rebuild the whole interior down to the hull.
Tips, tricks, things to look out for?
Post by: CP on July 26, 2017, 12:44:34 PM
Cracks & missing gel coat in the fiberglass
Corrosion
Stiff or stuck steering
Take the whole fuel system apart and clean everything – replace all hoses – rebuild the carbs,
Make sure you include the fuel tank in the cleaning
Electrical – check or replace all the wiring. Odds are it has turned to green powder.
There’s more. And when you thing are done, there’s still more.
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 26, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
14' is pretty small if you intend to take it on the salt. It wont be too long before you're having fun, but sometimes a little scared and your wife asks for an upgrade.
Also, there's always another, larger, "free boat" available somewhere. Thats always the standing joke, there's no such thing as a free boat. Seems to be the inverse, the cheaper they are the more they tend to cost you in the long run.
If its just a fun project, then power to you...
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
The second day is the day he gets rid of it.... :chuckle:
Actually looks like a decent project.
One of the few things I know to look for is after you get it stripped down, look close for rot (both obvious and hidden) around the transom, on the bottom, and along any seams.
Have fun and start a thread of its restoration and if you don't how much each part of the process costs. Would be interesting to know how much a "free" boat really costs.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 12:58:43 PM
While I've never rebuilt a boat as you've suggested, I've worked on crappy boats my whole life. Rebuilding your interior is going to cost more than you think and it may not be super worth it from a financial standpoint (you'll probably never get that money back out of it). If it were me, I'd clean up the inside enough to tolerate, get the motor running reliably, and use it until you're ready for an upgrade.Yeah maybe I'll just do that, make it tolerable. We had planned on getting a new 16 ft jon boat soon then this came around.. Maybe I'll just get the motor working solid if it isn't already and save that for the jon. :chuckle:
14' is pretty small if you intend to take it on the salt. It wont be too long before you're having fun, but sometimes a little scared and your wife asks for an upgrade.
Also, there's always another, larger, "free boat" available somewhere. Thats always the standing joke, there's no such thing as a free boat. Seems to be the inverse, the cheaper they are the more they tend to cost you in the long run.
If its just a fun project, then power to you...
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 12:59:12 PM
Post by: CP on July 26, 2017, 01:00:41 PM
Post by: tracksoup on July 26, 2017, 01:01:59 PM
Post by: baker5150 on July 26, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
Looks like a decent little boat for the price, and if it doesn't work out you could probably dump it for a few hundred bucks
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:05:21 PM
It appears to be a simple boat in fair condition and the engine looks like a fine old twin cylinder Evinrude 2 stroke, they are hard to kill. Check the compression 1st thing, you don’t want to waste too much time if the engine is toast.Got it. Need to pick up a compression tester. Out of the 1000s of tools it seems the in laws have we don't have one of them
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:08:05 PM
I'll check it out tonight when I go grab it.
Post by: cbond3318 on July 26, 2017, 01:12:54 PM
Of course, mine was geared more towards an open, clear area for fishing....
Post by: highside74 on July 26, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:16:25 PM
I stripped down the guts of an older boat, stripped to the fiberglass for inspection. Then I just relayed in marine grey carpet throughout, used the 3M spray adhesive. Maybe cost $50-60 for everything. Don't need all the built in cubby' space and what .Then you have a blank canvas for seats, rod holders and storage.Pretty much exactly what I had in mind. I'm into open room to drop fish in boat or crab pots w.e
Of course, mine was geared more towards an open, clear area for fishing....
Post by: CP on July 26, 2017, 01:19:38 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on July 26, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
I stripped down the guts of an older boat, stripped to the fiberglass for inspection. Then I just relayed in marine grey carpet throughout, used the 3M spray adhesive. Maybe cost $50-60 for everything. Don't need all the built in cubby' space and what .Then you have a blank canvas for seats, rod holders and storage.Pretty much exactly what I had in mind. I'm into open room to drop fish in boat or crab pots w.e
Of course, mine was geared more towards an open, clear area for fishing....
:tup: probably got yourself a sweet little fish getter. Make sure to check the bearings / grease on that trailer.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:28:43 PM
You'll need this:Even though it's a 50hp?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 26, 2017, 01:32:58 PM
I wouldn't do much to it involving any amount of money. Maybe plugs, new fuel lines and fuel. More than likely, based upon looking at the picture of it uncovered and sitting out, the stringers are almost certain to be wet and those lead you into the transom likely being wet. Only cure for wet stringer/transom is 100% replacement and if you can't do it yourself I doubt anyone would do it on a boat like this one. If it runs and you can have some fun for a while use it for that and don't put a dime into it. Use it as is would be my recommendation. If the seats are shot, throw them on the next bon fire and use some camp chairs.
Post by: CP on July 26, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
You'll need this:Even though it's a 50hp?
Sorry, wrong manual. They have a 48 to 235hp - make sure that it covers the right year. What year is the engine?
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 01:42:52 PM
No info on anything yet. I'll pull vin tonight and get age. Never seen the boat in person.You'll need this:Even though it's a 50hp?
Sorry, wrong manual. They have a 48 to 235hp - make sure that it covers the right year. What year is the engine?
Post by: ballpark on July 26, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 26, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
I bet you'll be fine.
Most boat trailer wheel bearings have standard zerk fittings for grease.
Post by: CP on July 26, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
A cheap tester is about $15 or borrow one like you suggest. It’s a 5 minute test and tells a lot.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 02:30:49 PM
Meh, I'm probably going to catch crap for this, but I'd find it very hard to believe that you can't get that motor running, even if compression is low. It doesn't have enough corrosion on it to have seen the salt very much (and its not quite big enough for serious salt use). I'm sure you can get that motor going with a carb(s) cleaning, new plugs and a new battery. Only outstanding issue you might face is needing a new water pump, which is a pain in the butt. I'd also change the lower unit oil. If you really want to compression test it, go "rent" the compression tester at oreillys and save your money. You can check them out for free by paying full price and then returning them, its a program they have. Still, I've seen several of these evinrudes run when compression levels were at the mid 80s PSI mark, they just start a little rough.Being I was basically just handed a evinrude 50 i think it would be a crime to atleast not attempt to get it running. Same thing with my 9.9 evinrude. Didn't start, got it to start then wouldn't run, more work and it runs great. Just takes some tinkerin. I actually wouldn't mind gutting the boat. Putting in carpeted floors and seats and basically calling it good. Possibly new steering setup if it's needed.
I bet you'll be fine.
Most boat trailer wheel bearings have standard zerk fittings for grease.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 02:32:03 PM
80 PSI on both cylinders, sure that will run, but a twin with one cylinder near zero won’t. I had a 6 cyl Merc once that had 1 bad cylinder, it ran Okay but really dirty, spit raw gas out the exhaust. I retired it.Any idea what compression numbers I'm lookin for guys? Or should I just find a manual. Johnson/evinrude seem to be the ones people always claim to be tanks once they're up and running.
A cheap tester is about $15 or borrow one like you suggest. It’s a 5 minute test and tells a lot.
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 26, 2017, 02:49:06 PM
Realistically, every motor is different. The biggest thing people are looking for is to see if the difference between cylinders is very significant. If you have a 4 cylinder engine and you get 94, 92, 95 and 74... supposedly that engine isn't long for the world.
I think my very very rough outboard analysis would be if you're 80-95, your engine is old, but should still run and will probably be fine, but things are possibly starting to get tired. That said, I had a buddy who was running 65 lbs on an only Johnson 150 and it ran basically fine. Id expect 95-105 for a motor of that age, but, wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make that mark, that would just be my "oh, yep, that seems about right" number. Few engines come higher than 140 or 145 new out of the box. Given that its a two stroke and it hasn't been run in a while, I'd manually connect it to an external fuel tank and crank it over a few times before testing to ensure you have something in the cylinder that represents normal operation. An engine that has been sitting dry for years would probably not give you a very accurate test.
I've never had an old evinrude be BAD bad on me though, you have to take the plugs out anyway to do the test, so just look at the plugs, make sure they're not rusty or something weird. Clean them up with a wire brush, reinstall, and try to start it (make sure to hook up to water and get some clean fuel in it). You never know, it might fire up.
Also, I use ether to save starters and my patience. You're not supposed to in a 2 stroke, but as long as you don't do it often, you should be fine.
Post by: Becky on July 26, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
14' is pretty small if you intend to take it on the salt. It wont be too long before you're having fun, but sometimes a little scared and your wife asks for an upgrade.
I like free, lol, that IS the upgrade in my mind. I'm actually kinda excited about dinking around helping him fix it :) we had fun building up the jon boat. I think we should gut the entire thing, get that marine carpet and make a new floor, build a livewell box, stick a couple chairs in it, some pole holders, and a fish finder. Let's gooooooo :fishin:
Post by: quadrafire on July 26, 2017, 05:21:50 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 05:44:08 PM
There are many you tube vids on all manner of boat repair/mods etc. I've watched a bunch on transom and hull work, fiberglass tips/techniques.Thanks quadrafire
That's basically how I learned literally from not knowing anything or terminology, to being able to completely disassemble and rebuild my 9.9 evinrude. Plus leeroysramblings is a blessing. He's got some really killer walkthroughs on fishing and outboard service.
http://www.leeroysramblings.com
Post by: quadrafire on July 26, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
:tup:There are many you tube vids on all manner of boat repair/mods etc. I've watched a bunch on transom and hull work, fiberglass tips/techniques.Thanks quadrafire
That's basically how I learned literally from not knowing anything or terminology, to being able to completely disassemble and rebuild my 9.9 evinrude. Plus leeroysramblings is a blessing. He's got some really killer walkthroughs on fishing and outboard service.
http://www.leeroysramblings.com
Post by: Becky on July 26, 2017, 06:38:54 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 26, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 10:40:27 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 10:46:40 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 10:58:32 PM
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 26, 2017, 11:13:44 PM
So Im being chatty tonight. Kinda excited. The whole boats in waaaay better condition than expected.
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??
I can see from the other picture its a Teleflex steering. It's probably just frozen at the push rod back at the motor. Not uncommon after sitting it needs to be greased. The steering rod threads right into the base where the motor mount is located. Easy to take off. Probably pop out one nut then, unthread it. If the wheel is loose, I think you'll have three bolts through the steering wheel which mounts back underneath the dash. The wheel will come off easy, then I think there are four bolts which hold the plate on under the steering wheel. You should be able to pull it all apart and get some lube down it. They are about $250 if you need to replace it.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 11:22:51 PM
Great thanks HG. Yeah the steering wheel is completely lose. As in turns left/right no resistance. I peeked under for a second but had no idea what I as looking at. Gonna use this thread as my build thread. Love to keep everyone updated on the status using everyone's advice.So Im being chatty tonight. Kinda excited. The whole boats in waaaay better condition than expected.
The seats are pretty much toast thugh. Floors "seem" solid as a rock. Going to replace all the interiors old pleather with like that green or grey outdoor carpeting.
Oh back to original thought. It's all hooked up to power steering? No cables, just one cable out the side of the motor I dunno I'm new at this stuff. Right now the steering wheel is loose, and does not move the motor. Broken cable somewhere or??
I can see from the other picture its a Teleflex steering. It's probably just frozen at the push rod back at the motor. Not uncommon after sitting it needs to be greased. The steering rod threads right into the base where the motor mount is located. Easy to take off. Probably pop out one nut then, unthread it. If the wheel is loose, I think you'll have three bolts through the steering wheel which mounts back underneath the dash. The wheel will come off easy, then I think there are four bolts which hold the plate on under the steering wheel. You should be able to pull it all apart and get some lube down it. They are about $250 if you need to replace it.
Post by: lokidog on July 26, 2017, 11:40:22 PM
That old Johnson/Evinrude should do well, unless overtly abused, those things keep on ticking.
Post by: Smossy on July 26, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
One suggestion on redoing the seats... I have a 14 1/2' Seaswirl that I pulled both of the fold down seats out as they were crap from sitting out in the weather. I replaced the passenger side with a new one, however, I replaced the drivers seat with a pedestal. This opens up the cockpit quite a bit and leaves room for a cooler or a fold out chair. The extra room is nice, especially when fishing with only two people.Glad to hear stuff like that from you Ed being as I know boats are basically your life line. I'd expect you to know a thing or two. Just need to figure out how this type of system wirks and try to get her fired up.
That old Johnson/Evinrude should do well, unless overtly abused, those things keep on ticking.
Post by: jmscon on July 27, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
The water pump will be a pain because you'll have to pull the lower unit off but it'll need to be done. You won't notice that it's bad when you hook up a hose to run it because of the water pressure from the hose.
Changing the lower unit oil is probably the easiest thing to do. Make sure and change it once a year, at least.
Looks like a nice boat, you're going to have a lot of fun!!
Post by: TheHunt on July 27, 2017, 09:54:13 AM
Post by: Smossy on July 27, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Like said before, change the lower unit oil, water pump and plugs. Get some fresh gas (don't forget to add oil). In the one pic, there is a screw that's a little bigger, knurled and has a black cap under it with a black tube running toward the front of the engine (it's on the side). Pull the screw and under the cap is the screen for the fuel line and aim the cap into a jar or yogurt container and start pumping the fuel bulb. Get all of the old gas and crud out of there. Clean the screen really good too.No primer bulb. Atleast not that I seen. Still need to locate the fuel tank, under the floor I take it? Switch panel is pretty much old as dirt going to replace that. All the electrical looks good wires have no corrosion but I think I may re-wire everything when I go to put a new panel in. Pretty basic stuff. The throttle looks pretty beat up and I think I'm going to replace it. Has cracks and such. Crawled under the front deck to figure out why the steering wasn't working. Looks like the tensign cable that the steering wheel rotates came off track. Appears to have a broken retention backing. Might need to replace that. If that's the case anyone recommend a place to get a throttle and steering assembly?
The water pump will be a pain because you'll have to pull the lower unit off but it'll need to be done. You won't notice that it's bad when you hook up a hose to run it because of the water pressure from the hose.
Changing the lower unit oil is probably the easiest thing to do. Make sure and change it once a year, at least.
Looks like a nice boat, you're going to have a lot of fun!!
Post by: CP on July 27, 2017, 10:12:31 AM
Post by: Smossy on July 27, 2017, 10:16:34 AM
You can get new cables and a helm on Amazon.Helm. That's what it was called. Great thanks. Don't mind dropping a few hundred into this boat. Some people see it as a waste but how many of us pay for entertainment? Pretty much everyone. I see it as the same thing, taking something from nothing or something that doesn't work and turning it into something that functions is probably the best entertainment and joy for me.
Post by: Hilltop123 on July 27, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 27, 2017, 11:54:33 AM
You can get new cables and a helm on Amazon.Helm. That's what it was called. Great thanks. Don't mind dropping a few hundred into this boat. Some people see it as a waste but how many of us pay for entertainment? Pretty much everyone. I see it as the same thing, taking something from nothing or something that doesn't work and turning it into something that functions is probably the best entertainment and joy for me.
Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.
Post by: CP on July 27, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.
Well that’s an interesting statement. I’ve owned more than few boats over the years and they have all had something like this in the steering system:
Post by: Smossy on July 27, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
Yeah that's what it looks like on mine, plus I had what looked to be a single helm rotary steering box? Like a. In this photo. Only seen a line in though, no line out.
Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.
Well that’s an interesting statement. I’ve owned more than few boats over the years and they have all had something like this in the steering system:
Post by: CP on July 27, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 27, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Maybe your cable just came disconnected from the helm. Why do you think you need a new one?Looked broken to me, had a piece on top snap off in my hand but I have no idea if it was of importance.. I'll have to get under there and actually mess with it this weekend.
I'll follow up with some photos to pick everyone's brains with.
Post by: CP on July 27, 2017, 03:58:35 PM
Maybe your cable just came disconnected from the helm. Why do you think you need a new one?Looked broken to me, had a piece on top snap off in my hand but I have no idea if it was of importance.. I'll have to get under there and actually mess with it this weekend.
I'll follow up with some photos to pick everyone's brains with.
Here's a pretty good video on the subject
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 28, 2017, 09:24:52 AM
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bpo/d/boat-steering-set-ft-cable/6239059265.html
Post by: Smossy on July 28, 2017, 05:16:38 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 28, 2017, 06:17:48 PM
Found this...Thanks stang but that's way to far for me.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bpo/d/boat-steering-set-ft-cable/6239059265.html
Post by: Smossy on July 28, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 28, 2017, 10:40:08 PM
Cable steering is illegal. Its a Teleflex. Not cables.
Well that’s an interesting statement. I’ve owned more than few boats over the years and they have all had something like this in the steering system:
You've never owned an old boat with cable steering which is obvious by this post.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 28, 2017, 10:49:06 PM
Replacement controls will be tough to find. There is an outboard junkyard I found some time ago in Olympia area. Don't recall the name. He sells used control packs for about $250each. No guarantees.
I'd make sure your rebuilt budget is about $1,500 if the motor runs good. Steering, electrical, tune up, wheel bearing kit, trailer wiring is gonna be at minimum $1,000. Add in new batteries, lights for the boat and trailer and you're getting up there quick without a couple hundred bucks in glue and carpet.
Post by: Smossy on July 29, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
Here is the basic steering package you will need. $300 with tax. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/seastar-solutions--no-feedback-4-2-rotary-system--P006_182_001_004?recordNum=15Seems rasonable.
Replacement controls will be tough to find. There is an outboard junkyard I found some time ago in Olympia area. Don't recall the name. He sells used control packs for about $250each. No guarantees.
I'd make sure your rebuilt budget is about $1,500 if the motor runs good. Steering, electrical, tune up, wheel bearing kit, trailer wiring is gonna be at minimum $1,000. Add in new batteries, lights for the boat and trailer and you're getting up there quick without a couple hundred bucks in glue and carpet.
Kinda how i look at it is spend 1500 on a boat setup ready to go and still probably works. Or i can spend that into restoring a boat and everything virtually new.
Found a helm on offerup for 40$ NIB
Confirmed yesterday that my helm is in fact broken. The throttle works but without a key it's useless.
Post by: CP on July 29, 2017, 04:40:27 PM
I tried to find any other way to start this, I take it needs a key?
Looks like you will need a new ignition switch. They are about $20-$25.
Post by: Smossy on July 29, 2017, 05:12:01 PM
Are they pretty specific to each model or universal??I tried to find any other way to start this, I take it needs a key?
Looks like you will need a new ignition switch. They are about $20-$25.
Post by: CP on July 29, 2017, 05:58:55 PM
Are they pretty specific to each model or universal??I tried to find any other way to start this, I take it needs a key?
Looks like you will need a new ignition switch. They are about $20-$25.
Just Google "1983 OMC ignition switch"
Post by: Bill W on July 29, 2017, 06:19:46 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 29, 2017, 06:48:16 PM
Post by: biggfish on July 29, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 29, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
I tried to find any other way to start this, I take it needs a key?
The keys are universal. A John Deere key filed down will probably fit it.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 29, 2017, 10:33:42 PM
You can open the control box pull the lock cylinder and remove the tumblers. Then it will start with any key, screw driver, or replace it with a switch.
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I forgot a key on my yearly banks lake trip. Found a key that fit and worked in Wilber at the hardware store. But, you will never be able to rewire the controls. Don't even try. Wont work
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 29, 2017, 10:36:59 PM
Post by: Smossy on July 29, 2017, 10:39:17 PM
I've done this all before. I'd you don't have the motor running perfectly right now without everything else....stop. You're in too deep.Can't run the motor if I don't have a key to start it.
Post by: Oh Mah on July 29, 2017, 10:47:50 PM
it is just an ignition switch.can be picked up at any boat dealer for 20 30 bucks.yes smossy uopu can take the plastick nut that holds that key switch to the housing off.contact 2 of the wires with say a screw driver and if starter is good battery is charged it will turn over.if it will run it will even start :tup:I've done this all before. I'd you don't have the motor running perfectly right now without everything else....stop. You're in too deep.Can't run the motor if I don't have a key to start it.
Post by: Smossy on July 29, 2017, 11:30:36 PM
Thanks I'll give it a try. I have a fresh battery to.it is just an ignition switch.can be picked up at any boat dealer for 20 30 bucks.yes smossy uopu can take the plastick nut that holds that key switch to the housing off.contact 2 of the wires with say a screw driver and if starter is good battery is charged it will turn over.if it will run it will even start :tup:I've done this all before. I'd you don't have the motor running perfectly right now without everything else....stop. You're in too deep.Can't run the motor if I don't have a key to start it.
Post by: smdave on July 30, 2017, 01:57:04 AM
Are they pretty specific to each model or universal??I tried to find any other way to start this, I take it needs a key?
Looks like you will need a new ignition switch. They are about $20-$25.
Just Google "1983 OMC ignition switch"
Is it the Push to choke "OMC Push-to-Choke Ignition Switch"
$19.05 with Free one day Prime Shipping Amazon
Sierra MP39760 3-Position Ignition Switch, This has the six prongs and push to choke.
And if it is not a direct replacement I will send you the $20.00
I will take it one step further if you want, Send me your address and I will buy it and have it sent to your address and then you send me $20.00. You have my address I have decals that were mailed to me.
Dave
Post by: smdave on July 30, 2017, 02:58:57 AM
Dave
Post by: Smossy on July 30, 2017, 03:12:50 AM
Post by: CP on August 03, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 03, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
Is it running yet?Waiting on new ignition to arrive. Then I'll let ya know CP :tup:
Post by: smdave on August 04, 2017, 12:23:39 AM
Is it running yet?Waiting on new ignition to arrive. Then I'll let ya know CP :tup:
Did it show up today? I am typing something wrong I cant get the tracking number to come up.
Post by: Becky on August 04, 2017, 07:10:10 AM
Please let us repay you or something, this was very nice of you to go out of your way for us. Any car decals you have your mind on that I can make you at the very least? :) PM me