Post by: HoofsandWings on August 17, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
Last Updated: 8/17/2017 10:20 AM
From milepost 84 to milepost 69
Post by: blackpowderhunter on August 18, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Post by: Don_D on August 28, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 28, 2017, 09:49:21 PM
Post by: Labs07 on August 29, 2017, 08:22:38 AM
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5509/
Post by: boneaddict on August 29, 2017, 08:24:37 AM
Bet it will be closed another week or so. Fire made a big run today.Id bet so as well.
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 29, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
Post by: Elkfever on August 29, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 29, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
Post by: Don_D on August 29, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
I wonder if the fire made it over the ridge. It looked to be pretty well on the south slope west of Fifes Ridge on the map.
Not looking good at all;
Until August 28th, fire growth had been moderate. A weather event called a thermal trough moved over the fire on Monday August 28th, and combined with very hot and dry conditions, the Union Creek Fire and Fire #367 merged with the Norse Peak Fire. While the American Fire had moderate growth that day, the fires north of Highway 410 nearly doubled in size that day, growing north and east in the Norse Peak Wilderness.
Post by: Slamadoo on August 29, 2017, 07:09:21 PM
It was a deadfall hell in there.
Post by: dreamingbig on August 29, 2017, 07:16:11 PM
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Post by: treeclimber2852 on August 29, 2017, 09:41:06 PM
Post by: adamR on August 30, 2017, 06:09:31 AM
New one tonight I guess, both sides of 410 by the NileYup, just pass horseshoe bend. We were without power all night from it but driving by this morning it looks like they got it out quick. There was like three helos and two planes hitting it hard last night.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 30, 2017, 06:27:08 AM
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Post by: SpotNStalker on August 30, 2017, 08:28:08 AM
Post by: GUscottie on August 30, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
I've most likely lost several cams. My quality tag is just over a week away and I'm on to plan f or g haha. I imagine there will be lots of people moving over to 336. I wish it wasn't happening the season that I drew the tag, but it will be good for the wilderness.
My cams are close...and if the fire moves east...they are for sure toast (pun intended)
Post by: Gringo31 on August 30, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 30, 2017, 10:39:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 30, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
Post by: summertime blues on August 30, 2017, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 11:46:41 AM
Going to burn into the snow season. I for one am tired of sucking smoke:yeah:
Our valley's been rough recently. Can we go back to blowing the Norse Peak smoke over to the west side please?!? ;)
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 30, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
I still hold my opinion that this fire is a good thing overall but DANG it's a beast. It's officially burned through the Crow Creek Lake basin and one of my favorite fishing holes (Sheepherder Lake).
Post by: Stein on August 30, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
Bet it will be closed another week or so. Fire made a big run today.
Is it smoky in Naches? We're camping at Elk Ridge.
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Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 01:53:32 PM
Bet it will be closed another week or so. Fire made a big run today.
Is it smoky in Naches? We're camping at Elk Ridge
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Smoky for sure but you won't have any trouble getting to Elk Ridge, assuming you're coming from the east. If you're coming from the west, drive after 8pm or take Cayuse Pass to 12 and come around.
Post by: Stein on August 30, 2017, 02:44:32 PM
Bet it will be closed another week or so. Fire made a big run today.
Is it smoky in Naches? We're camping at Elk Ridge
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Smoky for sure but you won't have any trouble getting to Elk Ridge, assuming you're coming from the east. If you're coming from the west, drive after 8pm or take Cayuse Pass to 12 and come around.
We were planning on 90 through Yakima.
Thanks for the info.
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Post by: Lucky Eric on August 30, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 30, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
Post by: Don_D on August 30, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
The dead fall in there really is horrendous so I can see how it could last till snow starts flying easy.
Post by: Dslayer on August 30, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 06:44:24 PM
How much smoke is in the Little Naches area? We had planned on coming over to camp this weekend. With all the closures starting to wonder if it is even worth it.I can't tell you if it's worth it, but I would certainly bet on there being plenty of smoke.
Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 07:00:11 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 30, 2017, 07:05:59 PM
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Post by: Stein on August 30, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
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Post by: yakimanoob on August 30, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
Thanks for the pic Stein.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on August 30, 2017, 08:55:10 PM
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on August 30, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 30, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on August 30, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
This could produce great results for elk/deer numbers up there for the next 15 years.
Post by: Gringo31 on August 31, 2017, 07:48:15 AM
Post by: yakimanoob on August 31, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
Cool pic Stein. We saw the belly dumpers come back to Dalles Port last night from that direction. I'd say that fire is nature started and nature should put it out. Fire is a good thing in some circumstances.
Totally. It's a lightening-started fire in a designated Wilderness, and they're just trying to keep it from getting out of control and burning the cabins near 410 as well as the Bumping and Ravens Roost areas. I for one fully intend to place a camera up there next spring and watch the critters move back in :).
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Post by: bearhunter99 on August 31, 2017, 11:34:56 AM
Sorry to jack the thread!
Post by: Don_D on August 31, 2017, 11:50:33 AM
The Norse Peak Fire (13,637 acres) continued its northward movement yesterday, coming within a half mile of Raven Roost. A 700-acre fire that grew from a 5-acre spot fire on Tuesday afternoon to the northeast will likely merge with the Norse Peak today. Helicopters dropped buckets of water on other spot fires on the north side of Gold Hill ridge.
After painstaking consideration for public safety, fire managers have proposed closing Forest Road 1900 (aka: “Road 19” and “Little Naches”). An official forest order has been requested. Continued hot, dry conditions, significant fire spread potential, and lack of safe extraction routes for Forest visitors is prompting the proposed closure. Forest Service leaders and incident personnel will work to re-open this popular hunting and recreation area as soon as it is safe to do so. Crow Creek Campground is closed. Kaner Flat and Little Naches campgrounds remain open, as is the Little Naches Cabin Tract. There is no dispersed camping allowed in the area.An area closure south and west of Road 19 is also proposed. Law enforcement will be enforcing the closure.
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on August 31, 2017, 12:14:26 PM
SR 410 east of Chinook Pass will reopen on Friday, Sept. 1. It had been closed due to fire danger since Aug. 16. Pilot cars will alternate traffic between Morse Creek (milepost 74.5) and Union Creek (milepost 79) from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. daily as long as conditions allow, but expect at least 30-40 minute delays depending on traffic volume. This opening is for thru-traffic only and access to campsites and trailheads between Chinook Pass and Hells Crossing is still prohibited. The highway will continue to be open overnight to all traffic but please note that full closures could occur with little notice as fire conditions can change rapidly.
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 31, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
Aug 31, 2017 9:00am Norse Peak Fires Update
Incident: Norse Peak Fire Wildfire
Released: 3 hrs. ago
Related Information
Aug 31 Norse Peak Fires Update - printable (pdf 221 kb)
Norse Peak Fires Update
Thursday, August 31, 2017 – 9:00 a.m.
After painstaking consideration for public safety, fire managers have proposed closing Forest Road 1900 (aka: “Road 19” and “Little Naches”). An official forest order has been requested. Continued hot, dry conditions, significant fire spread potential, and lack of safe extraction routes for Forest visitors is prompting the proposed closure. Forest Service leaders and incident personnel will work to re-open this popular hunting and recreation area as soon as it is safe to do so. Crow Creek Campground is closed. Kaner Flat and Little Naches campgrounds remain open, as is the Little Naches Cabin Tract. There is no dispersed camping allowed in the area. An area closure south and west of Road 19 is also proposed. Law enforcement will be enforcing the closure.
A Level 1 evacuation notice is being recommended to the Yakima County Sheriff for the Little Naches area. A Level 1 evacuation means you need to “BE READY” for a potential evacuation. Be aware of the danger that exists in the area; monitor emergency services websites and local media outlets for information. If you are in a campground and are unable to connect to the Internet or media outlets, look at the camp bulletin boards for information about the wildfire.
As of 6 a.m. the Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) is open from White Pass to Chinook Pass. The PCT remains closed from Chinook Pass to Government Meadow. Through-hikers avoiding the closure area should consider planning how to travel north of Government Meadow when they reach White Pass, as there is little cell phone connectivity at Chinook Pass. Hwy 410 is intermittently closed and the eastern access to Government Meadow (Road19) is closed. Other area closures on the Okanogan Wenatchee NF south of Hwy 410 are unchanged for now. Only trained firefighters working on the Norse Peak Fires are allowed in the fire area. For their own safety, hikers must avoid going into fire closure areas.
Beginning Friday, September 1, Hwy 410 will be open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. using a pilot car to guide drivers through the fire area. Firefighters will continue to work along the west side of the highway during this time. Drivers should be extra cautious. The highway will be fully open during the hours of 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. travel through the fire area on Hwy 410 is open. Check Department of Transportation travel alerts at http://www.wsdot.com/traffic/trafficalerts/.
The Norse Peak Fire (13,637 acres) continued its northward movement yesterday, coming within a half mile of Raven Roost. A 700-acre fire that grew from a 5-acre spot fire on Tuesday afternoon to the northeast will likely merge with the Norse Peak today. Helicopters dropped buckets of water on other spot fires on the north side of Gold Hill ridge. Fire mangers plan to continue treating this area again today. Crews working along the Hwy 410 corridor were able to remove much of the felled dead trees and brush. This work continues throughout today and possibly into the weekend.
On the south side of Hwy 410 the American Fire (325 acres) continues backing downhill, making slow progression north. Crews are also making good progress removing brush and branches to improve a contingency fuel break along the Bumping River Road from Goose Prairie towards the Bumping Lake Dam.
Weather and anticipated fire behavior: A cold front that pushed through the fire last night will keep the cooler and moister weather over the area today. Meanwhile breezy west winds will continue, especially over exposed west-facing ridges. The cool and relatively moist weather will end Friday as a strong ridge builds over the area, resulting in significant warming and drying over the weekend.
Post by: Thenewguy on August 31, 2017, 02:45:21 PM
Post by: yakimanoob on August 31, 2017, 03:08:50 PM
We have a cabin on the bumping, just up from "halfway flat". How close is this?If the cabin is on the road towards Bumping Lake, it's under a "Be ready" evac warning. But everything they've posted so far says they don't expect the fire to move that direction. They even sent in some smoke jumpers to put out a small fire that was threatening to move your way, and extinguished it quickly.
Post by: Thenewguy on August 31, 2017, 03:54:03 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 31, 2017, 04:11:51 PM
Post by: Lucky Eric on August 31, 2017, 04:46:51 PM
Post by: BDildine on September 01, 2017, 01:11:10 PM
"Well, we did say fire conditions can change fast. A day after announcing SR 410 east of Chinook Pass would open for Labor Day weekend, the fire activity shifted significantly and now the highway will be closed 24/7 through at least Monday night, Sept. 4. It's closed eastbound east of the summit near milepost 69 and westbound at Bumping River Road at milepost 88.5. Drivers can detour using SR 123 and US 12/White Pass. There will be no access to trails or campgrounds in the closure area. We expect to have another update on Monday."
Post by: yakimanoob on September 01, 2017, 01:13:27 PM
Post by: Don_D on September 02, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/5509/39736/ (https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/5509/39736/)
Much of the fire area saw a blanket of smoke Friday as an inversion set in on the area for most of the day. This helped limit fire growth by keeping winds low and reducing the lift that typically helps drive the fire’s progression.
Fire management personnel are cautioning for the potential of large growth and active fire behavior as warm dry air persists in the area. Temperatures are forecast in the upper 80s with humidity in the upper teens for the next several days. These factors, combined with unstable air in the upper atmosphere, have firefighters and management on high alert through the holiday weekend.
NORSE PEAK FIRE (16,175 acres): The Norse Peak Fire slowed in growth Friday, but remains high in terms of potential moving into the Labor Day weekend. The fire moved north and has taken hold in the Crow Creek area with more growth to the north and east anticipated. The fire continued to back down the hill toward State Route 410 in the Union Creek area and firefighters are monitoring its progress there.
Crews expanded hazard tree reduction operations along the 410 corridor and will continue to remove dead and dying trees that pose a threat to firefighter safety as well as provided more fuel for the fire. These operations are running from Hell’s Crossing east along the roadway and from Union Creek west.
Firefighters also continued their work preparing structures in the area by knocking back surrounding brush and getting sprinkler systems in place for structure defense operations if needed.
Post by: Don_D on September 04, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/5509/40037/ (https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/5509/40037/)
Both the Norse Peak and American fires saw substantial growth today as the inversion that had held smoke and fire activity down for several days was pushed out early by a shift in the wind.
With east and southeast winds fanning the fire for the first time since lightning struck the area August 11, Norse Peak grew to 18,882 acres and spread over the Pacific Crest Trail between Lake Basin and Crown Point.
This growth has triggered a Level 3 Evacuation Notice for Pierce County residents in the Gold Hill Community, Pick Handle Basin and the Crystal Mountain Ski Resort.
Level 3 is a “Go” situation as current conditions could pose immediate threats to life and safety. Residents might not be allowed to return until conditions are safe.
The American Fire also saw significant activity and grew to 500 acres but remains south of State Route 410 and west of American Ridge at this time.
Post by: BDildine on September 04, 2017, 09:12:17 PM
http://www.king5.com/weather/crystal-mountain-cam
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Post by: Don_D on September 04, 2017, 09:23:54 PM
check out view from the crystal mtn webcam:
http://www.king5.com/weather/crystal-mountain-cam
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Wow, yeah I can see why they gave the order. That's not far off.
Post by: BDildine on September 04, 2017, 09:34:05 PM
http://crystalmountainresort.com/devtest/mt-rainier-gondola-web-cam/
Post by: BDildine on September 04, 2017, 10:29:15 PM
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Post by: dreamingbig on September 05, 2017, 05:42:38 AM
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Post by: GUscottie on September 05, 2017, 06:20:52 AM
HOLY CRAP! These fires are getting out of control. The Norse Peak fire is moving actively in all 4 directions.
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 05, 2017, 06:35:39 AM
And I sure hope they don't reach the small communities in their path. Pray for some rain cause that's the only thing that's going to stop them now.
Post by: Stein on September 05, 2017, 07:31:31 AM
It's a catch-22, try to put them all out and eventually you have the really big one, or let them burn and deal with what happens (particularly tough after letting the fuel load build for 50 years of putting them out).
I saw one of the small lightning fires, it was in a crazy deep and steep spot, best case scenario you could get a few guys in there with maybe a chain saw. It would have required constant air drops to control it and 5+ mile one way nightmare off trail hikes to get some guys in. Zero chance for anything other than what you could carry in.
I don't think there were enough air assets to chase all the fires in Norse, plus the other fires running in the US. Other than the 19 road and 410, you just can't get assets in there.
I feel sorry for those with businesses and homes in the area, wish there was another option.
Post by: cjensen on September 05, 2017, 07:47:14 AM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 05, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
This let it burn mentality is mind blowing. :dunno: I understand forest management but when theses fires are small they need to throw everything at them to stop them.
Hard to throw resources at them when there were not any available. You aren't going to put people deep into the wilderness without a Helispot. At that, the smoke jumpers and rappellers were spread thin at that time. The original union creek fire started in a *censored*ty spot to begin with.
You bitch at their practices now, but in 5-10 years, you'll be thanking them for all of the forage they've created for the wildlife.
Post by: BDildine on September 05, 2017, 09:14:04 AM
Does anybody know if they plan to close Corral Pass? Currently the Forest Service Website has it listed as open, but it was last updated a week ago.
if you have facebook keep an eye on the "Greenwater Fire Fighters Association" page, their cheif posts periodic updates, but with solid/recent info, heres one from early this morning
"The cabins on 410 are being evacuated, along with Silver Springs Campground. The Dalles cabins and campground are currently unaffected."
heres the response i got back from someone at their page
"Nothing for Corral Pass at this time, but If you are in that area be prepared in the event that you do need to leave."
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 05, 2017, 09:38:49 AM
This let it burn mentality is mind blowing. :dunno: I understand forest management but when theses fires are small they need to throw everything at them to stop them.
Hard to throw resources at them when there were not any available. You aren't going to put people deep into the wilderness without a Helispot. At that, the smoke jumpers and rappellers were spread thin at that time. The original union creek fire started in a *censored*ty spot to begin with.
You bitch at their practices now, but in 5-10 years, you'll be thanking them for all of the forage they've created for the wildlife.
Not bi**ing.......Like I said I understand forest management. I've been around it all my life. I also know when they loose control of something. They never thought these fires would get this big. Since a State of emergency was issued that gives them access to federal resources. Granted and understandable that most resources are in Texas right now, but if these fires keep burning for a month the destruction will be catastrophic. I cant imagine the towns of Ronald/Roslyn burning up. Or Crystal Mnt resort. I have friends and family in the Roslyn area that are moving all of their personal belongs out of there cabins and leaving, not sure of what will be left in the next month.
The forage will be great, but at what cost.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 05, 2017, 09:41:26 AM
Best free mapping tool I've come across. Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer. Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 05, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
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Post by: Pegasus on September 05, 2017, 12:11:14 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on September 05, 2017, 12:12:42 PM
Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.In Port Angeles as well.
Post by: lamrith on September 05, 2017, 12:32:16 PM
Or Crystal Mnt resort. I have friends and family in the Roslyn area that are moving all of their personal belongs out of there cabins and leaving, not sure of what will be left in the next month.
The forage will be great, but at what cost.
Crystal was already forced to evac lastnight. Fire had crested the peak and was coming down toward the road potentially cutting them off from evac. They were still intact as of this am, but that was 6hrs ago.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 05, 2017, 12:33:00 PM
Let's not complain quite yet, gents. Fires will happen one way or another, and natural fires (especially in uninhabited areas) are the least of the evils. You can gripe about the "let it burn" mentality on a forum if you want, but keep in mind there are 300+ guys working their asses off to protect any and all structures in the area.
Post by: tjsr61 on September 05, 2017, 01:00:39 PM
https://caltopo.com/
Best free mapping tool I've come across. Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer. Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.
Can you explain to me the 12-24hr, 24-48 hr *=hot and so forth legend on this map
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 05, 2017, 01:08:06 PM
0 structures damaged. 0 injuries. (as of 9am this morning at least).
Let's not complain quite yet, gents. Fires will happen one way or another, and natural fires (especially in uninhabited areas) are the least of the evils. You can gripe about the "let it burn" mentality on a forum if you want, but keep in mind there are 300+ guys working their asses off to protect any and all structures in the area.
Not complaining. I know quite a few guys on the fire lines. Just making an observation of Forest practice possibly gone wrong. Keep in mind jolly mnt is zero % contained. Not sure what they are rating the Naches fire at but it can't be much better. I wish everyone the best of luck and safety to all. I hope we can look back on this in a few years and say, man I'm glad we had that burn of 17.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 05, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
https://caltopo.com/
Best free mapping tool I've come across. Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer. Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.
Can you explain to me the 12-24hr, 24-48 hr *=hot and so forth legend on this map
I can try! The color (red, yellow, etc.) corresponds to the length of time since the heat source was first measured. The * indicates a measured temp above 100°F, the X indicates a measured temp below that. I'm not entirely sure how the size of the circle is determined, but I'm sure it's meaningful in some way.
Post by: Stein on September 05, 2017, 01:15:14 PM
Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.In Port Angeles as well.
And Arlington, the color outside is very strange.
Post by: lewy on September 05, 2017, 01:20:13 PM
Post by: jjness11 on September 05, 2017, 01:44:08 PM
Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.In Port Angeles as well.
And Arlington, the color outside is very strange.
:yeah:
I live in Arlington, but I think we are getting more from the Diamond Creek Fire which is north of Mazama. Not so much from the Norse Creek Fire.
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2017, 01:48:11 PM
:dunno:
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 05, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
Jolly Mt. fire is 20,975 and 0% containment https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5496/ (https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5496/)0 structures damaged. 0 injuries. (as of 9am this morning at least).
Let's not complain quite yet, gents. Fires will happen one way or another, and natural fires (especially in uninhabited areas) are the least of the evils. You can gripe about the "let it burn" mentality on a forum if you want, but keep in mind there are 300+ guys working their asses off to protect any and all structures in the area.
Not complaining. I know quite a few guys on the fire lines. Just making an observation of Forest practice possibly gone wrong. Keep in mind jolly mnt is zero % contained. Not sure what they are rating the Naches fire at but it can't be much better. I wish everyone the best of luck and safety to all. I hope we can look back on this in a few years and say, man I'm glad we had that burn of 17.
This is old news now probably, but I went 410 to 123 early sunday morning. Chinook was closed with the barricades up at the 123 junction. When I came back through around 3pm, the barricades were down and cars were driving through, but all the closed signs were still up.I saw on the WA DOT app last night that they are closed now at the summit but I think they move it back down again.
:dunno:
Post by: tjsr61 on September 05, 2017, 02:02:51 PM
https://caltopo.com/
Best free mapping tool I've come across. Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer. Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.
Can you explain to me the 12-24hr, 24-48 hr *=hot and so forth legend on this map
I can try! The color (red, yellow, etc.) corresponds to the length of time since the heat source was first measured. The * indicates a measured temp above 100°F, the X indicates a measured temp below that. I'm not entirely sure how the size of the circle is determined, but I'm sure it's meaningful in some way.
Thank you
Post by: Don_D on September 05, 2017, 06:09:27 PM
https://caltopo.com/
Best free mapping tool I've come across. Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer. Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.
Thanks, the layers on that mapping tool are awesome.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2017, 07:57:01 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on September 05, 2017, 08:04:41 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 05, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
I maintain that this fire is a good thing. Decades of logging suppression have turned our forests into tinder boxes. I understand you can't log wilderness, but the areas surrounding the NPW haven't been logged either.
:yeah:
I hope no homes/cabins are lost due to these fires. If they won't log, or due controlled burns this is what you get. It will improve the habitat greatly. :tup:
Post by: yakimanoob on September 06, 2017, 12:09:55 AM
I maintain that this fire is a good thing. Decades of logging suppression have turned our forests into tinder boxes. I understand you can't log wilderness, but the areas surrounding the NPW haven't been logged either.:yeah:
I do hope there are enough resources to protect the surrounding structures though.
Post by: grundy53 on September 06, 2017, 04:56:30 AM
And the Jolly mountain fire.Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.In Port Angeles as well.
And Arlington, the color outside is very strange.
:yeah:
I live in Arlington, but I think we are getting more from the Diamond Creek Fire which is north of Mazama. Not so much from the Norse Creek Fire.
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Post by: Thefishguy77 on September 06, 2017, 08:42:52 AM
Factor in that they halt in some cases and charge for access in others and I can see why they are so easy to hate. When the got those lands for a song and a dance maintaining public access was one of the few restrictions they had to do.
This is a much bigger problem than logging or not. It is a government cesspool problem. More government agencies more problems that can't get addressed properly.
Climbing off soapbox now.
It's frustrating to say the least
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Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2017, 09:03:26 AM
Post by: timberfaller on September 06, 2017, 09:06:28 AM
I'll say this though, some pretty ignorant statements on this thread :o
The best statement, "government cesspool problem"!! Don't forget the Sierra Club, Bio-diversity group, and WHO and WHAT the USFS has become!!
Something to think about, early fires this year, had to have "roads" rebuilt to get access to them. :o
Research the Arizona fires from a somes years ago, WHAT occurred that allowed "control" to take place???
Post by: yakimanoob on September 06, 2017, 09:06:55 AM
Logging is important and this burn is demonstrating what happens when you greatly reduce it in areas. That said logging practices need to improve. I have noticed a big difference between logging in the 80's and now. Seems some of the logging companies only want to do the minimum to get the maximum. That to me is bad stewardship.Just wondering: are you implying that we should log Wilderness areas??
Factor in that they halt in some cases and charge for access in others and I can see why they are so easy to hate. When the got those lands for a song and a dance maintaining public access was one of the few restrictions they had to do.
This is a much bigger problem than logging or not. It is a government cesspool problem. More government agencies more problems that can't get addressed properly.
Climbing off soapbox now.
It's frustrating to say the least
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Post by: BDildine on September 06, 2017, 09:54:15 AM
#NorsePeakFire Update
Wednesday, September 6, 2017 – Morning Update
Date Started: Aug. 11, 2017
Cause: Lightning
Total acres: 44,799
Containment: 8%
Structures Damaged/Destroyed: 0
Injuries to date: 0
Total Personnel: 341
Fire Resources: 6 crews, 22 engines, 2 helicopters, 3 bulldozers, 7 water tenders
FIRE SUMMARY
New infrared imagery shows a substantial increase in acreage for both the Norse Peak and American fires. The Norse Peak Fire crossed the Pacific Crest Trail on Monday and entered the Crystal Mountain area while the American Fire crossed Kettle Creek to its east. No data has been available since then but new numbers show a total of 44,799 acres – up from 17,418 on Sept. 3.
Mt. Baker Snoqualmie personnel engaged the western edge of the Norse Peak Fire southwest of the Greenwater Trailhead and Greenwater Fire Department personnel completed plumbing and installing sprinklers in the Gold Hill Community. Evacuations (listed below) remain in place for much of the Crystal Mountain area. Residents not under evacuation order are asked to remain aware of the fire conditions and monitor incident social media channels and local media outlets. Concerned residents should prepare now in case they are asked to leave.
NORSE PEAK FIRE (43,482 acres): Crews completed work along the 462 Road in the fire’s southwest corner for use as a holding line and will continue work along State Route 410 to the south and southeast. One quarter-acre spot fire south of 410 was detected, contained and mopped up.
The western edge of the Norse Peak Fire continues to threaten structures in several communities in Pierce County and crews are working to get containment.
AMERICAN FIRE (1,320 acres): The fire crossed the American Ridge yesterday and is slowly backing down toward Bumping Lake. Crews were able to establish hose lays and install sprinklers in the Bumping Lake area and will continue efforts today.
CLOSURES: State Route 410 will remain closed from State Route 123 to mile post 89 near Bumping River Road through Saturday. No closures along 123. There is no access to the cabins along 410 west of Bumping River Road or to the facilities along Bumping River Road or at Bumping Lake.
The 1900 Road is closed as are Little Naches and Kaner Flat campgrounds and the Little Naches cabins.
Crystal Mountain Boulevard is closed.
The Pacific Crest Trail is closed from Chinook Pass to Snoqualmie Pass.
The latest Forest Closure Order for the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Fire is in place for the fire area and complete details can be found at https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/okawen/alerts-notices.
The latest Forest Closure Order for Mt. Baker Snoqualmie National Forest is in place and can be found at https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/mbs/alerts-notices.
The White River entrance to Mt. Rainier National Park is closed. Updates for the park can be found at https://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm.
EVACUATIONS: In Yakima County, there is a Level 3 Evacuation Order for Goose Prairie along Bumping River Road.
In Pierce County, a Level 3 evacuation has been ordered for the Silver Springs Campground, Silver Creek, Deep Creek, Joke Creek, Alta Community, Pick Handle Basin, Goat Creek, Gold Hill Community and the Crystal Mountain Ski Resort area.
Post by: X-Force on September 06, 2017, 10:28:19 AM
One the flip side lots of good habitat is being made.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2017, 10:30:11 AM
white River entrance to Mt. Rainier National Park is closed. Updates for the park can be found at https://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 06, 2017, 10:43:34 AM
So can I drive to cayuse pass from 410, and head to white pass? The below statement is confusing.I think you can take Cayuse Pass to White Pass if you're coming from Enumclaw, yes. But I haven't been up there to confirm and the fire is very active in that area so it may change from hour to hour.
white River entrance to Mt. Rainier National Park is closed. Updates for the park can be found at https://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm.
Post by: Bob33 on September 06, 2017, 10:44:25 AM
So can I drive to cayuse pass from 410, and head to white pass? The below statement is confusing.Highway 410 from Enumclaw to Cayuse Pass is currently. Highway 123 from Cayuse Pass to highway 12 is currently open.
white River entrance to Mt. Rainier National Park is closed. Updates for the park can be found at https://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2017, 11:02:32 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 06, 2017, 11:27:27 AM
So can I drive to cayuse pass from 410, and head to white pass? The below statement is confusing.Highway 410 from Enumclaw to Cayuse Pass is currently. Highway 123 from Cayuse Pass to highway 12 is currently open.
white River entrance to Mt. Rainier National Park is closed. Updates for the park can be found at https://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm.
There are/were detour signs all over the place on 410 on Sunday to utilize 123 to White Pass to get over the mountains.
Post by: dreamingbig on September 06, 2017, 11:27:36 AM
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Post by: jackelope on September 06, 2017, 11:28:31 AM
Bob, I'm assuming you meant to say currently open? Thanks guys.
Chinook pass is currently closed.
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Post by: jmscon on September 06, 2017, 11:32:14 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 06, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 06, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
Chinook Pass is closed. It does suggest that you can still drive over Cayuse Pass on 410.Bob, I'm assuming you meant to say currently open? Thanks guys.
Chinook pass is currently closed.
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Post by: BeerBugler on September 06, 2017, 12:00:30 PM
The crosshatched perimeter in this is at 20k acres but the hots spots are current as of this morning. The other spots towards the top are near Blewett Pass, sawmill ridge fire, I think it's called.
Fire at the top of picture looks like the headwaters of the grean@blowout mountain
Post by: X-Force on September 06, 2017, 12:07:47 PM
The crosshatched perimeter in this is at 20k acres but the hots spots are current as of this morning. The other spots towards the top are near Blewett Pass, sawmill ridge fire, I think it's called.
Fire at the top of picture looks like the headwaters of the grean@blowout mountain
North end of Sawmill ridge towards lester
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 06, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
Called the Sawmill fire, it is in the watershed.The crosshatched perimeter in this is at 20k acres but the hots spots are current as of this morning. The other spots towards the top are near Blewett Pass, sawmill ridge fire, I think it's called.
Fire at the top of picture looks like the headwaters of the grean@blowout mountain
North end of Sawmill ridge towards lester
Post by: Thefishguy77 on September 06, 2017, 01:31:20 PM
Logging is important and this burn is demonstrating what happens when you greatly reduce it in areas. That said logging practices need to improve. I have noticed a big difference between logging in the 80's and now. Seems some of the logging companies only want to do the minimum to get the maximum. That to me is bad stewardship.Just wondering: are you implying that we should log Wilderness areas??
Factor in that they halt in some cases and charge for access in others and I can see why they are so easy to hate. When the got those lands for a song and a dance maintaining public access was one of the few restrictions they had to do.
This is a much bigger problem than logging or not. It is a government cesspool problem. More government agencies more problems that can't get addressed properly.
Climbing off soapbox now.
It's frustrating to say the least
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Not necessarily wilderness areas. However if we are allowed to log around them then you have better access to them as well and having less chance of a fire spreading from them to national forests. I believe controlled burns need to make a comeback if we can't get back to logging. And fast replants afterwards, not waiting years to replant.
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Post by: Thefishguy77 on September 06, 2017, 01:34:05 PM
Last I heard yesterday evening Mt. Rainier park close 123 between Stevens canyon and 410. But that can change at a moments notice. If this is still up to date then 123 is closed.Chinook Pass is closed. It does suggest that you can still drive over Cayuse Pass on 410.Bob, I'm assuming you meant to say currently open? Thanks guys.
Chinook pass is currently closed.
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Post by: dreamingbig on September 06, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on September 06, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 06, 2017, 01:55:40 PM
If I read it correctly this says 410 eastbound is closed at 123. 123 is still open according to the WSDOT app to.Last I heard yesterday evening Mt. Rainier park close 123 between Stevens canyon and 410. But that can change at a moments notice. If this is still up to date then 123 is closed.Chinook Pass is closed. It does suggest that you can still drive over Cayuse Pass on 410.Bob, I'm assuming you meant to say currently open? Thanks guys.
Chinook pass is currently closed.
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Post by: Bob33 on September 06, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
SR 410/Chinook Pass will remain closed through Wednesday night, Sept. 6 due to fire near the roadway. The closure points has extended just east of the SR 410/SR 123 junction to Bumping River Road. Bumping River Road is closed. Drivers cannot access Chinook Pass. A detour for SR 410 traffic is available via SR 123 and US 12 over White Pass.
For updated information on the Norse Peak Fire and other fires in the state including evacuations, visit:
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/state/49/
For road status near Mount Rainier National Park,visit:
https://www.nps.gov/mora/planyourvisit/road-status.htm
Cayuse Pass is open.
https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/passes/chinook-cayuse
Post by: treeclimber2852 on September 06, 2017, 02:16:50 PM
Last I heard yesterday evening Mt. Rainier park close 123 between Stevens canyon and 410. But that can change at a moments notice. If this is still up to date then 123 is closed.Chinook Pass is closed. It does suggest that you can still drive over Cayuse Pass on 410.Bob, I'm assuming you meant to say currently open? Thanks guys.
Chinook pass is currently closed.
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According to the person I spoke with this morning at the park office, 410 is open to 123 and 123 is open to 12. All trails off 123 and the park wilderness area north of Stevens Canyon are closed. Nothing is expected to change for the foreseeable future.
Post by: huntandjeep on September 06, 2017, 02:29:40 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 06, 2017, 02:36:09 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on September 06, 2017, 05:47:17 PM
Smoke has everything socked in. There is not way to see the ground to conduct bucket operations. Boots on the ground can't see the helo and the helo can't see the boots on the ground.
Exactly what he said
Post by: lewy on September 06, 2017, 07:27:34 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 06, 2017, 07:44:13 PM
I heard the state is offering points back for a few units including WRI was going to say those people that have the tag aren't going to be happy for sure. I am actually kind of happy I got a multi season elk tag now. Early archery looks hosed.
Post by: Jharristealth on September 07, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Post by: Stein on September 07, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
Post by: Jharristealth on September 07, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
I guess it would depend on how many points you have. I didn't have that many, so I would roll the dice with the conditions over trying to draw it again.only 5 ,so im in the same boat. Might as well try and make the best of whats available out there.
Post by: cjensen on September 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
Post by: GUscottie on September 08, 2017, 07:25:58 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 08, 2017, 07:44:06 AM
As of yesterday, I talked to a guy/gal with the WR Rut Rifle tag and the wife told me they had not been offered the refund of points. I was surprised being that the entire unit was closed. I have the Muzzy Peaches Tag (quality) and mine was offered up as a refund....Hmmm :dunno:Rifle tag is a bit out. I suppose it is a wait and see. I would think by that time they might have it open. Weather seems to cooperating. Extended forecast doesn't look to bad either.
Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2017, 07:48:34 AM
As of yesterday, I talked to a guy/gal with the WR Rut Rifle tag and the wife told me they had not been offered the refund of points. I was surprised being that the entire unit was closed. I have the Muzzy Peaches Tag (quality) and mine was offered up as a refund....Hmmm :dunno:Rifle tag is a bit out. I suppose it is a wait and see. I would think by that time they might have it open. Weather seems to cooperating. Extended forecast doesn't look to bad either.
White River rifle is September 25th, Peaches Ridge muzzleloader is September 30th.
Post by: GUscottie on September 08, 2017, 07:57:44 AM
As of yesterday, I talked to a guy/gal with the WR Rut Rifle tag and the wife told me they had not been offered the refund of points. I was surprised being that the entire unit was closed. I have the Muzzy Peaches Tag (quality) and mine was offered up as a refund....Hmmm :dunno:Rifle tag is a bit out. I suppose it is a wait and see. I would think by that time they might have it open. Weather seems to cooperating. Extended forecast doesn't look to bad either.
White River rifle is September 25th, Peaches Ridge muzzleloader is September 30th.
:yeah:
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 08, 2017, 08:48:52 AM
Ok. That is going to suck for sure for White River. Sorry to also hear about the muzzle loader. I figured the WR tag would correspond to the general season. I talked with some people in the know this morning and they said that if the weather looks like it does they might possibly be opening things up by the end of October on the MBS side. Not known about the OKA WIN side. No good for those tag.As of yesterday, I talked to a guy/gal with the WR Rut Rifle tag and the wife told me they had not been offered the refund of points. I was surprised being that the entire unit was closed. I have the Muzzy Peaches Tag (quality) and mine was offered up as a refund....Hmmm :dunno:Rifle tag is a bit out. I suppose it is a wait and see. I would think by that time they might have it open. Weather seems to cooperating. Extended forecast doesn't look to bad either.
White River rifle is September 25th, Peaches Ridge muzzleloader is September 30th.
:yeah:
Post by: lamrith on September 08, 2017, 09:58:51 AM
Has it been confirmed that WR archery tags are being refunded points? Looks like all forest service roads in the whole unit are closed for fire danger -- even on the far west side. With Hancock closed, that leaves no roads that are accessible???The copies of emails I saw stated that refund was only available up until the day the hunt started. Must be postmarked before that date to get points refunded and it is not automatically refunded you have to send in and request it.
I cannot speak specifically to WR tags, you should have gotten an email if your tag qualifies for point refund. Worst case call WDFW asap and find out directly.
Post by: boneaddict on September 18, 2017, 09:41:43 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 18, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
Snowing up on chinook right now. Best fire retardant ever
Excellent
Heading over to scout for muzzy elk this weekend. Wish they would get Chinook open.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 18, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 07:03:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 19, 2017, 07:08:08 AM
It was snowing on my as I went over the pass yesterday. It is still closed though.How did you go over a closed pass?
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
I work for an angency that I can get over when driving my work truck plus supporting the fire. I thought you knew who I worked for Bob33?It was snowing on my as I went over the pass yesterday. It is still closed though.How did you go over a closed pass?
Post by: boneaddict on September 19, 2017, 07:15:48 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 07:20:36 AM
Just say it man....."I'm special" :chuckle:Exactly :chuckle:
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Post by: PlateauNDN on September 19, 2017, 07:42:49 AM
Just say it man....."I'm special" :chuckle:Exactly :chuckle:
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We peasants be sorry massa, we no question you.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 08:57:19 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 19, 2017, 09:12:27 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 09:31:22 AM
Any pics............... :dunno:You know I don't ever think about taking pictures. :chuckle: You know that distracted driving. :o
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 19, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on September 19, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Driving is the distraction in the mts. :chuckle: coffee in 1 hand, slab of bacon in the other, knee on the wheel and head staring out the window watching for critters. What can go wrong? :chuckle:
Driving with you sounds like a party. Anyone who drives around with slabs (not slices) of bacon in their hands is bound to be good people.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 19, 2017, 10:00:48 AM
Some places I've been are like that. Animals hide in plain sight and a quick hike reveals them all. Guy's drive by going deep and steep miles away, and have no clue a nice buck/bull are right there. :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 19, 2017, 10:05:02 AM
It was snowing on my as I went over the pass yesterday. It is still closed though.How did you go over a closed pass?
He's a circus clown 🤡
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 19, 2017, 10:09:31 AM
:chuckle: Hey now I don't where clown make up.It was snowing on my as I went over the pass yesterday. It is still closed though.How did you go over a closed pass?
He's a circus clown 🤡
Post by: 7mmfan on September 19, 2017, 10:11:41 AM
The trick is to fool everyone you pass on the way to your spot so they think you're just road hunting and they won't follow you. Then you hit your spot and park and begin the hike, slay a monster and drive back all the while they think you road hunted and are lazy and dont think none the wiser. :chuckle:
Some places I've been are like that. Animals hide in plain sight and a quick hike reveals them all. Guy's drive by going deep and steep miles away, and have no clue a nice buck/bull are right there. :chuckle:
Great advice. :o
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 19, 2017, 10:15:04 AM
The trick is to fool everyone you pass on the way to your spot so they think you're just road hunting and they won't follow you. Then you hit your spot and park and begin the hike, slay a monster and drive back all the while they think you road hunted and are lazy and dont think none the wiser. :chuckle:
Some places I've been are like that. Animals hide in plain sight and a quick hike reveals them all. Guy's drive by going deep and steep miles away, and have no clue a nice buck/bull are right there. :chuckle:
I've seen that happen before with hike not involved, spike buck hanging with does. Everyone driving by not glass there heads, us high school guys weren't fooled, we glassed and our buddy got his first buck. :chuckle:
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 19, 2017, 11:00:31 AM
:chuckle: Hey now I don't where clown make up.It was snowing on my as I went over the pass yesterday. It is still closed though.How did you go over a closed pass?
He's a circus clown 🤡
:o IT is for real?!?!?!?!?!? :yike:
Post by: Mossbak on September 20, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
Chinook Pass will reopen to thru-traffic at noon on Thursday, Sept. 21. Fire crews are completing operations along the highway and pending more inspections will tentatively reopen Thursday at noon. Please drive cautiously as fire crews will be monitoring areas along the SR 410 corridor.
Post by: Pegasus on September 20, 2017, 06:18:19 PM
Just pulled this off the DOT Pass website. Sorry if it happens to be old news then just disregard.
Chinook Pass will reopen to thru-traffic at noon on Thursday, Sept. 21. Fire crews are completing operations along the highway and pending more inspections will tentatively reopen Thursday at noon. Please drive cautiously as fire crews will be monitoring areas along the SR 410 corridor.
Thanks for the update. I missed the announcement.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 20, 2017, 06:55:38 PM
Heading over Friday.
Perfect timing
Post by: grundy53 on September 20, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
The trick is to fool everyone you pass on the way to your spot so they think you're just road hunting and they won't follow you. Then you hit your spot and park and begin the hike, slay a monster and drive back all the while they think you road hunted and are lazy and dont think none the wiser. :chuckle:You ain't kidding. I'm always surprised by how many good spots are just driven by.
Some places I've been are like that. Animals hide in plain sight and a quick hike reveals them all. Guy's drive by going deep and steep miles away, and have no clue a nice buck/bull are right there. :chuckle:
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