Chinook pass closed FYI

[Stein]

Anyone have a link for the MODIS pics, I can't seem to figure it out.

It's a catch-22, try to put them all out and eventually you have the really big one, or let them burn and deal with what happens (particularly tough after letting the fuel load build for 50 years of putting them out).

I saw one of the small lightning fires, it was in a crazy deep and steep spot, best case scenario you could get a few guys in there with maybe a chain saw.  It would have required constant air drops to control it and 5+ mile one way nightmare off trail hikes to get some guys in.  Zero chance for anything other than what you could carry in.

I don't think there were enough air assets to chase all the fires in Norse, plus the other fires running in the US.  Other than the 19 road and 410, you just can't get assets in there.

I feel sorry for those with businesses and homes in the area, wish there was another option.

[cjensen]

Does anybody know if they plan to close Corral Pass?   Currently the Forest Service Website has it listed as open, but it was last updated a week ago.

[Naches Sportsman]

This let it burn mentality is mind blowing. I understand forest management but when theses fires are small they need to throw everything at them to stop them.

Hard to throw resources at them when there were not any available. You aren't going to put people deep into the wilderness without a Helispot. At that, the smoke jumpers and rappellers were spread thin at that time. The original union creek fire started in a *censored*ty spot to begin with.

You bitch at their practices now, but in 5-10 years, you'll be thanking them for all of the forage they've created for the wildlife.

[BDildine]

Does anybody know if they plan to close Corral Pass?   Currently the Forest Service Website has it listed as open, but it was last updated a week ago.

if you have facebook keep an eye on the "Greenwater Fire Fighters Association" page, their cheif posts periodic updates, but with solid/recent info, heres one from early this morning

"The cabins on 410 are being evacuated, along with Silver Springs Campground. The Dalles cabins and campground are currently unaffected."

heres the response i got back from someone at their page

"Nothing for Corral Pass at this time, but If you are in that area be prepared in the event that you do need to leave."

[fishngamereaper]

This let it burn mentality is mind blowing. I understand forest management but when theses fires are small they need to throw everything at them to stop them.

Hard to throw resources at them when there were not any available. You aren't going to put people deep into the wilderness without a Helispot. At that, the smoke jumpers and rappellers were spread thin at that time. The original union creek fire started in a *censored*ty spot to begin with.

You bitch at their practices now, but in 5-10 years, you'll be thanking them for all of the forage they've created for the wildlife.

Not bi**ing.......Like I said I understand forest management. I've been around it all my life. I also know when they loose control of something. They never thought these fires would get this big. Since a State of emergency was issued that gives them access to federal resources. Granted and understandable that most resources are in Texas right now, but if these fires keep burning for a month the destruction will be catastrophic. I cant imagine the towns of Ronald/Roslyn burning up. Or Crystal Mnt resort. I have friends and family in the Roslyn area that are moving all of their personal belongs out of there cabins and leaving, not sure of what will be left in the next month.

The forage will be great, but at what cost.

[yakimanoob]

https://caltopo.com/

Best free mapping tool I've come across.  Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer.  Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info. 

[Gringo31]

It seems a guy can't do anything anymore.  It sucks to let it burn, but what are your options.  These wilderness areas would have people freaking out if you ran a cat line around a fire.  If you hurt the ground with tire tracks, if you had roads that gave you real access.  It's not a simple solution.....

[Stein]

Yeah, no good solution for sure.  One thing for sure is there is no running a cat line around that fire, either now or when the 11 fires started.  I was amazed at how remote the one visible from Raven's Roost was.  If you had a 400" elk tied up there and an army of a dozen high school aged farmer's kids to haul meat I wouldn't even think of trying to get there.  It is probably one of the most hard to access areas in the state I can think of.  There aren't even trails in many of those drainages.  Total bigfoot country.

[Pegasus]

Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.

[washingtonmuley]

Norse Peak fire is now covering South King County with ash. Cars, yards and decks are covered with large particles of burned material. Red sun. You would think that a volcano was erupting or a nuclear winter is beginning.

In Port Angeles as well.

[lamrith]

Or Crystal Mnt resort. I have friends and family in the Roslyn area that are moving all of their personal belongs out of there cabins and leaving, not sure of what will be left in the next month.

The forage will be great, but at what cost.

Crystal was already forced to evac lastnight.  Fire had crested the peak and was coming down toward the road potentially cutting them off from evac.  They were still intact as of this am, but that was 6hrs ago.

[yakimanoob]

0 structures damaged.  0 injuries. (as of 9am this morning at least).

Let's not complain quite yet, gents.  Fires will happen one way or another, and natural fires (especially in uninhabited areas) are the least of the evils.  You can gripe about the "let it burn" mentality on a forum if you want, but keep in mind there are 300+ guys working their asses off to protect any and all structures in the area. 

[tjsr61]

https://caltopo.com/

Best free mapping tool I've come across.  Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer.  Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.

Can you explain to me the  12-24hr, 24-48 hr *=hot and so forth legend on this map

[fishngamereaper]

0 structures damaged.  0 injuries. (as of 9am this morning at least).

Let's not complain quite yet, gents.  Fires will happen one way or another, and natural fires (especially in uninhabited areas) are the least of the evils.  You can gripe about the "let it burn" mentality on a forum if you want, but keep in mind there are 300+ guys working their asses off to protect any and all structures in the area.

Not complaining. I know quite a few guys on the fire lines. Just making an observation of Forest practice possibly gone wrong. Keep in mind jolly mnt is zero % contained. Not sure what they are rating the Naches fire at but it can't be much better. I wish everyone the best of luck and safety to all. I hope we can look back on this in a few years and say, man I'm glad we had that burn of 17.

[yakimanoob]

https://caltopo.com/

Best free mapping tool I've come across.  Tons of layer options, including a "current fire activity" layer.  Not sure if it's MODIS exactly or something similar, but it has great up-to-date info.

Can you explain to me the  12-24hr, 24-48 hr *=hot and so forth legend on this map

I can try!  The color (red, yellow, etc.) corresponds to the length of time since the heat source was first measured.  The * indicates a measured temp above 100°F, the X indicates a measured temp below that.  I'm not entirely sure how the size of the circle is determined, but I'm sure it's meaningful in some way.