Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 07:02:58 PM
https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/25-06-remington-beats-6-5-creedmoor/
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Post by: bknilvr00 on January 25, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
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Post by: Scheindogg on January 25, 2018, 08:06:05 PM
Terrible waste of a beard when you top it off with a man bun!
:yeah:
:chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on January 25, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
All the recent 6.5 posts brought out all the old men I see....
I must be getting old then because every time I hear somebody going on and on about the 6.5 Creedmoor I just feel like punching a kitten. :chuckle:
I've got a buddy who's really into PRS right now and all he talks about is either the 6x47 Lapua or the 6 Creedmoor and how they can shoot 115gr bullets at over 3000 fps. Every time, I remind him that I was doing that years ago with a 243. Same goes for the 6.5 Creedmoor/6.5x47 Lapua and the 260 Rem.
I don't have any love for the 25-06 either. That's the only caliber I've owned in a factory gun (2 different rifles) that I couldn't get to shoot better than .75" for 5 shots at 100 yards. I gave up on both guns and the caliber forever.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2018, 08:32:10 PM
You’re just sour grapes and a hater! :yike:All the recent 6.5 posts brought out all the old men I see....
I must be getting old then because every time I hear somebody going on and on about the 6.5 Creedmoor I just feel like punching a kitten. :chuckle:
I've got a buddy who's really into PRS right now and all he talks about is either the 6x47 Lapua or the 6 Creedmoor and how they can shoot 115gr bullets at over 3000 fps. Every time, I remind him that I was doing that years ago with a 243. Same goes for the 6.5 Creedmoor/6.5x47 Lapua and the 260 Rem.
I don't have any love for the 25-06 either. That's the only caliber I've owned in a factory gun (2 different rifles) that I couldn't get to shoot better than .75" for 5 shots at 100 yards. I gave up on both guns and the caliber forever.
Did I tell you about my new creedmoor yet? It has a chassis stock!
I’m still trying to find a way I won’t have to tell people I have a creedmoor when my new gun is done. :chuckle:
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on January 25, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
Haha. Just upgraded from my .30-30!!
Whipper snapper :). Had a 30-40 Craig back in the day.
Post by: hollymaster on January 25, 2018, 08:34:24 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 25, 2018, 08:35:43 PM
Haha. Just upgraded from my .30-30!!
Whipper snapper :). Had a 30-40 Craig back in the day.
My grandpa killed a lot blacktails with one of those in open sites. :tup:
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 25, 2018, 08:37:08 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on January 25, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
I do have to say that I understand that the 6.5 Creedmore performs very well, but I'm not sure why all the haters are out there... I guess I'm not around the posers that brag about them all the time...
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 25, 2018, 08:41:48 PM
I do have to say that I understand that the 6.5 Creedmore performs very well, but I'm not sure why all the haters are out there...
The 6.5 Creedmoor is the Rush of bolt rifles. Everyone has to admit that Rush is extremely talented, but no one wants to sit and listen to a Rush fanatic yammer on about them.
Post by: DaveMonti on January 25, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
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Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 08:47:19 PM
Josh, what caliber is the outfit on the left in your pic?
.308
Don’t tell anyone.
Post by: h20hunter on January 25, 2018, 08:55:01 PM
I do
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on January 25, 2018, 08:58:44 PM
Who shoots a .308 these days? :dunno: ?
I do
I do. All those Army Snipers over the years can’t be wrong 😎
Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 08:58:51 PM
The first 5 rounds out of mine were around .8” with HSM ammo. Good enough for me. Hand loads and a better trigger man I’d assume could improve that. I won’t be shooting 600+ yards anytime soon. I can totally understand why someone might want a rifle that shoots better groups I guess.All the recent 6.5 posts brought out all the old men I see....
I must be getting old then because every time I hear somebody going on and on about the 6.5 Creedmoor I just feel like punching a kitten. :chuckle:
I've got a buddy who's really into PRS right now and all he talks about is either the 6x47 Lapua or the 6 Creedmoor and how they can shoot 115gr bullets at over 3000 fps. Every time, I remind him that I was doing that years ago with a 243. Same goes for the 6.5 Creedmoor/6.5x47 Lapua and the 260 Rem.
I don't have any love for the 25-06 either. That's the only caliber I've owned in a factory gun (2 different rifles) that I couldn't get to shoot better than .75" for 5 shots at 100 yards. I gave up on both guns and the caliber forever.
Post by: bullfisher on January 25, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
I think I'm gonna rechamber mine to another 6.5, not sure what though.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 25, 2018, 09:05:49 PM
I kept adding a 6.5 creed to the cart and every time I did I wanted to puke a little lol. So finally couldn't do it and got the 260 :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on January 26, 2018, 01:39:57 AM
I'm still bouncing around trying the 6.5x300 WTBY, I've got a .300 that's shot out and I need to rebarrell, can't decide which caliber, I like the 300 and 340 too. I don't own any of the 6.5's but I had an uncle that killed over 20 elk with his .264 WM, and too many knowledgeable gun nuts like the 6.5's, that has to be reason enough in itself to own one doesn't it? :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on January 26, 2018, 03:38:18 AM
My favorite comment was this: "PS. He that waits for a perfect horse must walk." :chuckle:
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 26, 2018, 04:27:04 AM
however, i do have an itch for a .25-06 than may need to be scratched. i like those old school flat shooting flamethrowers(like my .264 win). the whole long range 6.5 creedmoor fad is due to being able to dial in drops...some seem to forget you can do that with the flatter shooting cartridges too.
Post by: bearpaw on January 26, 2018, 04:38:26 AM
seeing how winchester is going to bring out the 6.5 creedmoor in a few M70s this year might make it hard for me to abstain much longer. the cartridge's credentials are quite interesting.
however, i do have an itch for a .25-06 than may need to be scratched. i like those old school flat shooting flamethrowers(like my .264 win). the whole long range 6.5 creedmoor fad is due to being able to dial in drops...some seem to forget you can do that with the flatter shooting cartridges too.
the .264 you mention is a great round, I always thought it got bad press and was under rated for that reason
there are so many choices and none of them are bad :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 08:56:50 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 26, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
I definitely don't think the 6.5 creedmoor is a fad. There's no question it is a great shooting, hard hitting cartridge, especially from a long range turret twisting point of view.:yeah: just ask anyone that owns one and they’ll tell you all about it!
:chuckle: ...sorry I couldn’t help it.
Post by: N7XW on January 26, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
lol so funny. I just bought the wife a new rifle.:chuckle: too funny
I kept adding a 6.5 creed to the cart and every time I did I wanted to puke a little lol. So finally couldn't do it and got the 260 :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on January 26, 2018, 09:12:25 AM
lol so funny. I just bought the wife a new rifle.
I kept adding a 6.5 creed to the cart and every time I did I wanted to puke a little lol. So finally couldn't do it and got the 260 :chuckle:
Proud of you Carp... :chuckle:
Post by: N7XW on January 26, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
Post by: jessie88 on January 26, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
... kinda weird though my man bun and beard hasnt grown in yet. should i be worried? :dunno:
Post by: 7mmfan on January 26, 2018, 09:41:29 AM
theres a lot of cartridges that beat out the 6.5 creedmoor.... its just a solid short action round that is very efficient in its capability. i jumped on the bandwagon but that is cause i needed something to fit between my .204 ruger and 7mm SAUM.
... kinda weird though my man bun and beard hasnt grown in yet. should i be worried? :dunno:
Yes. But theres a solution. For anyone who bought their 6.5 Creedmore, but have yet to grow in their Man Bun, salvation is available at the reasonable price of $9.99!
Post by: N7XW on January 26, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
What the hell is this world coming to?!?theres a lot of cartridges that beat out the 6.5 creedmoor.... its just a solid short action round that is very efficient in its capability. i jumped on the bandwagon but that is cause i needed something to fit between my .204 ruger and 7mm SAUM.
... kinda weird though my man bun and beard hasnt grown in yet. should i be worried? :dunno:
Yes. But theres a solution. For anyone who bought their 6.5 Creedmore, but have yet to grow in their Man Bun, salvation is available at the reasonable price of $9.99!
Post by: h20hunter on January 26, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on January 26, 2018, 09:52:46 AM
Perfect...thanks 7mm.....have been looking for the perfect final accy to go with the 6.5 that @bknilvr00 is getting ready to break in.
Giftwrap it and deliver it with a pink camo hydrodipped stock to go on the new shooting iron. He'll be giddy.
Post by: bearpaw on January 26, 2018, 09:54:16 AM
I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil. Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little. Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though. :tung:
Less recoil than an 06 due to shooting lighter bullets.
Post by: Curly on January 26, 2018, 09:55:52 AM
I'm a huge .25 caliber fan and the 25/06 is an outstanding cartridge. I think the creedmore is over rated, I would like to see a 6.5/06 factory rifle available and surprised it hasn't happened.
I'm surprised the 6.5-06AI hasn't become a factory round yet. The 280 AI is now a factory round, so why not the 6.5? :dunno:
One could argue that the 6.5-06AI isn't necessary because the 264wm exists but the 6.5-06AI can get about the same velocities with less powder and less recoil.
But then I'm also confused as to why the 6.5wsm never became a factory round?
Post by: bobcat on January 26, 2018, 09:59:54 AM
Post by: N7XW on January 26, 2018, 10:01:58 AM
Ok, I'm sold. That's all that I needed. Where's my debit card? :IBCOOL:I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil. Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little. Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though. :tung:
Less recoil than an 06 due to shooting lighter bullets.
Post by: bearpaw on January 26, 2018, 10:03:48 AM
Ok, I'm sold. That's all that I needed. Where's my debit card? :IBCOOL:I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil. Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little. Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though. :tung:
Less recoil than an 06 due to shooting lighter bullets.
I don't know if you ever come to the NE, but if you do for turkey and wanted to shoot a 257 this spring you are welcome to stop by.
Post by: hollymaster on January 26, 2018, 10:05:38 AM
I just blew rockstar all over my phone. :chuckle: :chuckle:Perfect...thanks 7mm.....have been looking for the perfect final accy to go with the 6.5 that @bknilvr00 is getting ready to break in.
Giftwrap it and deliver it with a pink camo hydrodipped stock to go on the new shooting iron. He'll be giddy.
Post by: Curly on January 26, 2018, 10:10:32 AM
I've read that the 6.5 WSM is a barrel burner.
They say the same about the 6.5x284, 26 nosler, and 264 wm. And the 257 weatherby has got to be equally as much a barrel burner.
Are manufacturer's really not making factory rounds because of the worry about wearing out barrels quickly? I suppose. But I think they would sell a bunch of rifles in 6.5wsm.
Post by: N7XW on January 26, 2018, 10:15:12 AM
Ok, I'm sold. That's all that I needed. Where's my debit card? :IBCOOL:I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil. Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little. Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though. :tung:
Less recoil than an 06 due to shooting lighter bullets.
I don't know if you ever come to the NE, but if you do for turkey and wanted to shoot a 257 this spring you are welcome to stop by.
That, sir, is a helluva offer. Thank you. Unfortunately, I never make it up that way. Last time I was up around Colville, was deer hunting while going to college in Spokane. Really appreciate the offer though.
Post by: Special T on January 26, 2018, 10:17:04 AM
Lol epic!I do have to say that I understand that the 6.5 Creedmore performs very well, but I'm not sure why all the haters are out there...
The 6.5 Creedmoor is the Rush of bolt rifles. Everyone has to admit that Rush is extremely talented, but no one wants to sit and listen to a Rush fanatic yammer on about them.
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Post by: Special T on January 26, 2018, 10:31:26 AM
I could not find the # but it is quite likely there is more capacity to build 308 based shells than any other parent case. How do you come up with something that you can make a little more on but isn't one off production. It fits this bill and is likely widely accepted because anyone whom reloads can the 308 brass cheep enough and reload.
To me the 6.5 Creedmore & 6.5 Grendel have this in common. Take 2 of the most common current production cases and out a twist on them. From a production standpoint they meet the best bang for the buck in "innovation".
I'm guessing that the 25 06 came about because of the huge supply of reasonable 06 brass...
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Post by: bknilvr00 on January 26, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
What a find! My new hunting outift is almost complete. Some plaid, skinny jeans, and maybe some thick rimmed glasses coupled with the new bun and there wont be an animal alive that fears me. Perfect cover!theres a lot of cartridges that beat out the 6.5 creedmoor.... its just a solid short action round that is very efficient in its capability. i jumped on the bandwagon but that is cause i needed something to fit between my .204 ruger and 7mm SAUM.
... kinda weird though my man bun and beard hasnt grown in yet. should i be worried? :dunno:
Yes. But theres a solution. For anyone who bought their 6.5 Creedmore, but have yet to grow in their Man Bun, salvation is available at the reasonable price of $9.99!
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 10:53:11 AM
The 6.5 Creedmore has to stem from the manufactuing/supply.
I could not find the # but it is quite likely there is more capacity to build 308 based shells than any other parent case. How do you come up with something that you can make a little more on but isn't one off production. It fits this bill and is likely widely accepted because anyone whom reloads can the 308 brass cheep enough and reload.
To me the 6.5 Creedmore & 6.5 Grendel have this in common. Take 2 of the most common current production cases and out a twist on them. From a production standpoint they meet the best bang for the buck in "innovation".
I'm guessing that the 25 06 came about because of the huge supply of reasonable 06 brass...
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It's the cost to produce them and the superior ballistics that the 6.5 bullets are made with. It's tough to hang with those ballistics. The .257 bullets aren't even in the same neighborhood from a long range standpoint. Read back to @Biggerhammer and his praise for the $300 Ruger American Predator shooting lights out bug holes in 6.5CM.
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 10:53:24 AM
Post by: bknilvr00 on January 26, 2018, 11:02:05 AM
https://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2016/07/18/epic-rise-6-5-creedmoor/Pretty good article :tup:
Post by: Special T on January 26, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
https://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2016/07/18/epic-rise-6-5-creedmoor/Good article.
Improved performance & reduced cost option for longer range shooters, or even those that would like to...
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Post by: magnanimous_j on January 26, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
What a find! My new hunting outift is almost complete. Some plaid, skinny jeans, and maybe some thick rimmed glasses coupled with the new bun and there wont be an animal alive that fears me. Perfect cover!theres a lot of cartridges that beat out the 6.5 creedmoor.... its just a solid short action round that is very efficient in its capability. i jumped on the bandwagon but that is cause i needed something to fit between my .204 ruger and 7mm SAUM.
... kinda weird though my man bun and beard hasnt grown in yet. should i be worried? :dunno:
Yes. But theres a solution. For anyone who bought their 6.5 Creedmore, but have yet to grow in their Man Bun, salvation is available at the reasonable price of $9.99!
Don't forget your linen slip on shoes
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 26, 2018, 12:08:39 PM
The 6.5 Bullets has been superior in BC, penetration and terminal performance for longer than most on this web site have been alive. Plenty of chamberings to launch them from. Anyone in the know recognized that and it didn't take a bunch of paper punching, steel ringer PRS's to figure it out. Most I know shoot fur and hair.:tup: My 6.5 was introduced around 1891 in Sweden ...
Post by: tlbradford on January 26, 2018, 12:55:29 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 26, 2018, 04:14:19 PM
"Nothing new under the sun" seems to pertain..
Post by: b23 on January 26, 2018, 05:36:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 06:41:18 PM
I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges. In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. :chuckle: :chuckle:Under 500 yards?
Post by: b23 on January 26, 2018, 07:11:44 PM
I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges. In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. :chuckle: :chuckle:Under 500 yards?
At any distance.
For me, the .25cal just doesn't offer much. IMO, the 6.5 just does everything better and on the low end of the bullet weight scale the .24cal does it better also. I'm sure this will pis a lot of the quarter bore fans off but again, for me, the .25cal is one of those, it does things ok, it just doesn't do anything great. Opinions will vary, but that's my take on it.
Post by: 2labs on January 26, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
I'm a huge .25 caliber fan and the 25/06 is an outstanding cartridge. I think the creedmore is over rated, I would like to see a 6.5/06 factory rifle available and surprised it hasn't happened.
Hand loaded 6.5x55, ballistic challenge too the 300 win. Mag
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 09:02:25 PM
I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges. In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. :chuckle: :chuckle:Under 500 yards?
At any distance.
For me, the .25cal just doesn't offer much. IMO, the 6.5 just does everything better and on the low end of the bullet weight scale the .24cal does it better also. I'm sure this will pis a lot of the quarter bore fans off but again, for me, the .25cal is one of those, it does things ok, it just doesn't do anything great. Opinions will vary, but that's my take on it.
I’m not trying to argue. Really just trying to learn, and you’re not going to piss me off but the article I posted had this data in it. I know it’s not set in stone but I’m curious your thoughts on this chart.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/17e600326a8772daa4e8144e41dc8922.jpg)
According to that data, the .25-06 is flatter than the 6.5 out to 600 yards. Not quite as fast and not quite as much energy but it’s not too far off either.
All that said, I’ve got plans to have a semi custom short action built in the next year or so and it’s more than likely going to be a 6.5 cm. I’m not particularly interested in real long range shooting but I would like to have something I’m comfortable shooting to 500 yards.
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
You’re saying the 6.5 Swede runs with the .300 win mag ballistically?I'm a huge .25 caliber fan and the 25/06 is an outstanding cartridge. I think the creedmore is over rated, I would like to see a 6.5/06 factory rifle available and surprised it hasn't happened.
Hand loaded 6.5x55, ballistic challenge too the 300 win. Mag
You’re going to have to talk me into that.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 09:12:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 09:15:09 PM
Expierience Trumps forum ramblings.😘
Would you stop it with that? Seriously. The nonstop insults get old. Im not sure who you’re talking to but I’m asking questions to gain experience.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
You’re saying the 6.5 Swede runs with the .300 win mag ballistically?I'm a huge .25 caliber fan and the 25/06 is an outstanding cartridge. I think the creedmore is over rated, I would like to see a 6.5/06 factory rifle available and surprised it hasn't happened.
Hand loaded 6.5x55, ballistic challenge too the 300 win. Mag
You’re going to have to talk me into that.
It will will be close depending on bullet weight. The energy won't be there for the Swede but trajectory and wind drift will be real close. With allot less recoil and barrel
Heat going to the Swede.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 09:21:47 PM
Expierience Trumps forum ramblings.😘
Would you stop it with that? Seriously. The nonstop insults get old. Im not sure who you’re talking to but I’m asking questions to gain experience.
WoW! That's not a insult.
Post by: yorketransport on January 26, 2018, 09:27:28 PM
You’re saying the 6.5 Swede runs with the .300 win mag ballistically?I'm a huge .25 caliber fan and the 25/06 is an outstanding cartridge. I think the creedmore is over rated, I would like to see a 6.5/06 factory rifle available and surprised it hasn't happened.
Hand loaded 6.5x55, ballistic challenge too the 300 win. Mag
You’re going to have to talk me into that.
If you just look at trajectories, they're not too far apart. Trajectories of a 140gr load from a Creedmoor are almost there with a 190gr bullet from a 300 Win Mag. The 300 will win every time though if you use comparable bullets in each gun. The 300 can just move a bullet with a high BC faster than the Creedmoor ever will. Plus the 300 with crush the 6.5 in the energy department. Just try shooting at a heavy steel gong at 1000 yards with both a small 6.5 and a mid sized 30 caliber. The difference in how the target reacts is impressive.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 09:27:31 PM
The 6.5 Swede is darn close to a 6.5-.284!
Post by: yorketransport on January 26, 2018, 09:32:24 PM
Back in the day the big .30's dominated the 1000 yard line in competition. Along came the 6.5-.284, Long before it was a factory chambering. The 6.5-284 and the Sierra 142gr MK changed the whole game and dominated it for a loooooooong time.
The 6.5 Swede is darn close to a 6.5-.284!
That's just because shooters are getting more delicate every year. They can't handle the recoil from a "beast" like the 300 Win Mag. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 09:37:44 PM
Back in the day the big .30's dominated the 1000 yard line in competition. Along came the 6.5-.284, Long before it was a factory chambering. The 6.5-284 and the Sierra 142gr MK changed the whole game and dominated it for a loooooooong time.
The 6.5 Swede is darn close to a 6.5-.284!
That's just because shooters are getting more delicate every year. They can't handle the recoil from a "beast" like the 300 Win Mag. :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bullfisher on January 26, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Ha. Look at that little 270 go! Terminal energy baby! :chuckle:I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges. In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. :chuckle: :chuckle:Under 500 yards?
At any distance.
For me, the .25cal just doesn't offer much. IMO, the 6.5 just does everything better and on the low end of the bullet weight scale the .24cal does it better also. I'm sure this will pis a lot of the quarter bore fans off but again, for me, the .25cal is one of those, it does things ok, it just doesn't do anything great. Opinions will vary, but that's my take on it.
I’m not trying to argue. Really just trying to learn, and you’re not going to piss me off but the article I posted had this data in it. I know it’s not set in stone but I’m curious your thoughts on this chart.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/17e600326a8772daa4e8144e41dc8922.jpg)
According to that data, the .25-06 is flatter than the 6.5 out to 600 yards. Not quite as fast and not quite as much energy but it’s not too far off either.
All that said, I’ve got plans to have a semi custom short action built in the next year or so and it’s more than likely going to be a 6.5 cm. I’m not particularly interested in real long range shooting but I would like to have something I’m comfortable shooting to 500 yards.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 26, 2018, 10:27:04 PM
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
Post by: bullfisher on January 26, 2018, 10:38:29 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on January 27, 2018, 12:00:16 AM
I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges. In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. :chuckle: :chuckle:Under 500 yards?
At any distance.
For me, the .25cal just doesn't offer much. IMO, the 6.5 just does everything better and on the low end of the bullet weight scale the .24cal does it better also. I'm sure this will pis a lot of the quarter bore fans off but again, for me, the .25cal is one of those, it does things ok, it just doesn't do anything great. Opinions will vary, but that's my take on it.
I’m not trying to argue. Really just trying to learn, and you’re not going to piss me off but the article I posted had this data in it. I know it’s not set in stone but I’m curious your thoughts on this chart.
According to that data, the .25-06 is flatter than the 6.5 out to 600 yards. Not quite as fast and not quite as much energy but it’s not too far off either.
Personally, I don't think the 6.5 Creed or the 260 Rem have enough case capacity to run the 140's so if I had either of those I'd likely never run anything heavier than a 130. I'll bet if you run the numbers with a 6.5 Creed and a 130 VLD, they'll be pretty darn close.
It's no secret I'm a big fan of the 6.5-284 and even though I think the 6.5 Creed is a well designed round, even in a short action, the 6.5-284 outruns it by 100-125 fps so I just can't bring myself to go there, although if I was looking to buy an off the shelf rifle that I could get a good variety of factory ammo for, the 6.5 Creed would be a hard one to overlook.
Post by: 2labs on January 28, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Back in the day the big .30's dominated the 1000 yard line in competition. Along came the 6.5-.284, Long before it was a factory chambering. The 6.5-284 and the Sierra 142gr MK changed the whole game and dominated it for a loooooooong time.
The 6.5 Swede is darn close to a 6.5-.284!
Didn't mean too start a pisssin match, just think your short sheeting yourself with a short action 6.5.
We have choices, I research mine pretty hard.
Post by: spoonman on January 28, 2018, 09:58:29 PM
.270 Win/ 25-06 both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
The 25-06 holds approximately 10-12 grains more than the 6.5 creed. The 300wm holds 30+ more grains than the 308. So no it's not at all like comparing those two. Your trying to compare a magnum cartridge to a 308?
Also on a side note the recoil on the 25-06 and 6.5 are very very close to being the same. That can't be said for a 308 vs a 300wm, the 300wm has significant more felt recoil.
Also velocity is another huge one that is worth comparing in the 25-06 vs 6.5, but not so much in the 308 vs 300wm!
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 09:12:04 AM
.270 Win/ 25-06 both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.
Post by: grundy53 on January 29, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
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Post by: b23 on January 29, 2018, 09:29:22 AM
.270 Win/ 25-06 both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.
Maybe a .308 to 30-06 comparison would have been a better choice, but IMO the same idea would apply and that is, they really shouldn't be compared to one another.
Now, if they compared a 25-06 to a 6.5-06 or 6.5-284 with the 6.5's shooting 130's, IMO, that is much more of a fair comparison.
Post by: grundy53 on January 29, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil. Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little. Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though. :tung:I have a 257 weatherby mag. The recoil is negligible. Definitely not enough to worry about.
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Post by: bearpaw on January 29, 2018, 09:48:13 AM
.270 Win/ 25-06 both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.
I don't see a problem with comparing any caliber with any other. I have to laugh how some people get shook up, several responses on the original article are just totally out there. :chuckle:
Post by: James on January 29, 2018, 09:51:46 AM
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Post by: Skillet on January 29, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer. If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier. Study after study proves this out.
But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
:twocents:
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 10:17:02 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 10:18:45 AM
.270 Win/ 25-06 both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?
Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.
Case volume being key?
I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.
I don't see a problem with comparing any caliber with any other. I have to laugh how some people get shook up, several responses on the original article are just totally out there. :chuckle:
I tend to agree, especially when it comes to the way most of the world hunts and shoots. The differences are barely noticeable between them. A couple hundred fps or a couple inches at 300-400 yards really doesn't mean much at all for most hunters.
Post by: James on January 29, 2018, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: h20hunter on January 29, 2018, 10:25:38 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 29, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 29, 2018, 10:31:08 AM
I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but every time I look at them I don’t really see the allure.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?
Anyone want to enlighten me?
I don't think the 6.5 Creed does anything truly unique, but its a great choice if you need a rifle in that segment. For me, I have a 30-06 that was my only hunting rifle. I've always thought it was pretty good at most things, but not excellent at anything.
I got the Creedmoor because I wanted something that would be excellent for deer, and give me the ability to reach out further if I got the opportunity for antelope or a long range, open field Eastern Washington kind of hunt. If I ever branch out into elk or bears, I'll probably get a .300 win mag or something like that.
I also like the low-ish ammo costs. Some of these less common rounds can cost 2 or 3 bucks a piece. The American Whitetail 129gr Interlocks my Savage likes run me about .85 a round.
But if I'd already had a rifle for those uses, I doubt I would be that tempted to switch.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 29, 2018, 10:32:48 AM
It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses. Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil. Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer. This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment. The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.You mean to tell me that my .338WM won't kill animals any deader than my 25-06? BALDERDASH!!!!
People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer. If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier. Study after study proves this out.
But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
:twocents:
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 29, 2018, 10:36:38 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 29, 2018, 10:37:46 AM
I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but every time I look at them I don’t really see the allure.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?
Anyone want to enlighten me?
There is always this....
Post by: h20hunter on January 29, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 10:49:25 AM
It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses. Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil. Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer. This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment. The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.
People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer. If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier. Study after study proves this out.
But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
:twocents:
Uhh...it's "more deader"...
Post by: jamesfromseattle on January 29, 2018, 01:06:59 PM
All valid points. Kudos for using the term balderdash.
Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 29, 2018, 01:08:34 PM
I am always here to help. :tup:All valid points. Kudos for using the term balderdash.
Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.
Post by: Curly on January 29, 2018, 01:19:23 PM
The high BC of the .264 bullets show that it is superior in the wind drift category. And wind is the hardest to judge in the field, thus the higher BC .264 bullet would be advantageous. Plus using RL26 in the CM can gain quite a bit more fps so the wind drift value is even going to be better if the velocity gets bumped even more. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on January 29, 2018, 01:25:43 PM
For most hunters the differences will be insignificant.
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 01:34:08 PM
I am always here to help. :tup:All valid points. Kudos for using the term balderdash.
Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.
Woodblock is always here when you need him!!
Post by: mountainman on January 29, 2018, 07:28:40 PM
It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses. Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil. Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer. This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment. The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.Well said and lots of truth there..but then again, what's the fun in that?
People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer. If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier. Study after study proves this out.
But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
:twocents:
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 29, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses. Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil. Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer. This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment. The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.
People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer. If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier. Study after study proves this out.
But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
:twocents:
Blasphemy!!!!!
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 29, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2018, 07:42:01 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 29, 2018, 07:56:08 PM
Try comparing the 6.5 Creedmor to the 270 Winchester. The 6.5's got nothing on that old cartridge. Introduced in 1925, and nearly 100 years later they come up with the 6.5 Creedmor. How's it any better in any way? Maybe less recoil, that's about it.
Jocko loved his 😉
Post by: spoonman on January 29, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Try comparing the 6.5 Creedmor to the 270 Winchester. The 6.5's got nothing on that old cartridge. Introduced in 1925, and nearly 100 years later they come up with the 6.5 Creedmor. How's it any better in any way? Maybe less recoil, that's about it.
:yeah:
Also the amount of recoil between those two cartridges is insignificant, the 270 shooting a 140gn is right at 17lbs of felt recoil and the 6.5 is right at 15lbs of felt recoil with same weight bullet traveling at 300 fps slower than the 270.
Post by: yorketransport on January 29, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Try comparing the 6.5 Creedmor to the 270 Winchester. The 6.5's got nothing on that old cartridge. Introduced in 1925, and nearly 100 years later they come up with the 6.5 Creedmor. How's it any better in any way? Maybe less recoil, that's about it.
The 270 needs a longer action than the Creedmoor. Last time I tried to cycle 270 through a short action it didn't work so well.....
As much as I dislike the Creedmoor, it does work very well for the guys who have them. Even if it means that they have a man bun and carry around a Kestrel which they twirl around like an Olympic ribbon dancer to "zero" the unit. :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 29, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
:chuckle:Try comparing the 6.5 Creedmor to the 270 Winchester. The 6.5's got nothing on that old cartridge. Introduced in 1925, and nearly 100 years later they come up with the 6.5 Creedmor. How's it any better in any way? Maybe less recoil, that's about it.
The 270 needs a longer action than the Creedmoor. Last time I tried to cycle 270 through a short action it didn't work so well.....
As much as I dislike the Creedmoor, it does work very well for the guys who have them. Even if it means that they have a man bun and carry around a Kestrel which they twirl around like an Olympic ribbon dancer to "zero" the unit. :chuckle:
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 29, 2018, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 31, 2018, 06:37:33 PM
I like my 2506 for flat shooting within reason. Its better than the 6.5 at doing just that. Beyond reason, past 700 yards, the 6.5 shines. Figure out the holdover of your favorite cartridges at 1500 yards.
I like my 2506 for flat shooting within reason. Its better than the 6.5 at doing just that. Beyond reason, past 700 yards, the 6.5 shines. Figure out the holdover of your favorite cartridges at 1500 yards.👍👍
Post by: yorketransport on January 31, 2018, 07:27:11 PM
I like my 2506 for flat shooting within reason. Its better than the 6.5 at doing just that. Beyond reason, past 700 yards, the 6.5 shines. Figure out the holdover of your favorite cartridges at 1500 yards.
The hold over on my favorite long range cartridge at 1500 yards is confirmed as 9.8 MILs. Beat that with the Creedmoor. :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on January 31, 2018, 07:34:59 PM
I like my 2506 for flat shooting within reason. Its better than the 6.5 at doing just that. Beyond reason, past 700 yards, the 6.5 shines. Figure out the holdover of your favorite cartridges at 1500 yards.
The hold over on my favorite long range cartridge at 1500 yards is confirmed as 9.8 MILs. Beat that with the Creedmoor. :chuckle: 👍
Post by: walleye1 on January 31, 2018, 07:49:35 PM
Post by: jdb on January 31, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 31, 2018, 08:10:36 PM
Try comparing the 6.5 Creedmor to the 270 Winchester. The 6.5's got nothing on that old cartridge. Introduced in 1925, and nearly 100 years later they come up with the 6.5 Creedmor. How's it any better in any way? Maybe less recoil, that's about it.
The 270 needs a longer action than the Creedmoor. Last time I tried to cycle 270 through a short action it didn't work so well.....
As much as I dislike the Creedmoor, it does work very well for the guys who have them. Even if it means that they have a man bun and carry around a Kestrel which they twirl around like an Olympic ribbon dancer to "zero" the unit. :chuckle:
You are forgetting the teathered couch cushion and the endless excuses of why they didn't go to "shot" this year
Post by: yorketransport on January 31, 2018, 08:26:39 PM