Post by: Old Deer Slayer on February 23, 2019, 02:31:36 PM
(fixed date)
Post by: outdooraddict on February 24, 2019, 07:15:43 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/feb/22/fish-and-wildlife-proposal-eliminates-antlerless-w/
Post by: Bango skank on February 24, 2019, 08:09:40 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2019, 08:22:09 AM
Post by: Sneaky on February 24, 2019, 08:27:34 AM
Post by: Bango skank on February 24, 2019, 08:44:18 AM
Tag for date
Yeah, apparently the email they sent out says wednesday february 27th. Its this week. But does 6:30 mean a.m. or p.m?
Post by: hunter399 on February 24, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
But for that concept to work they have to stick with it for longer than three years .
If they could keep it forever much like mule deer .once populations rebound they can sell any buck permits,offer youth,disabled,65 over,bow hunters ,muzzy Hunter ,any buck buck tags every three or four years as populations rebound to keep doe/ buck ratios in check.Within just a few years it would really make hunting in NE Washington great .With a little bit of management and time .Now the biggest problem is its gonna take so much more time then if they would of done it the way I'm talking years ago when they had 4pt min .A lot of hunters just don't know what's good for them .WDFW has to make some choices for the wildlife we have .If they do follow through with bringing 4pt min rule back my respect for WDFW will be A lot higher.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Tag for date
Yeah, apparently the email they sent out says wednesday february 27th. Its this week. But does 6:30 mean a.m. or p.m?
I'll head up there. Thanks.
Post by: hunter399 on February 24, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
So when is it am or pmTag for date
Yeah, apparently the email they sent out says wednesday february 27th. Its this week. But does 6:30 mean a.m. or p.m?
I'll head up there. Thanks.
I live pretty close to there.
Post by: Bango skank on February 24, 2019, 10:35:34 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
Post by: Old Deer Slayer on February 24, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
Post by: buckfvr on February 24, 2019, 01:56:06 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on February 24, 2019, 03:08:48 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2019, 06:33:10 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 24, 2019, 07:07:25 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 24, 2019, 07:16:57 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 24, 2019, 07:51:52 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 24, 2019, 08:08:31 PM
I see some of the biologist presentations that will be at one of meetings .When i see there list of goals I think the bottom should be on top that will give max opportunity.
Deer management goal number four is ridiculous, I can’t imagine any area in our state is experiencing this. :twocents: 🤯
Post by: huntnnw on February 24, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2019, 05:01:32 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2019, 07:35:14 AM
There is a graph out there that shows how harvest increased under the 4 point rule and how it dropped after managers removed the rule. The numbers prove it was another mistake of WDFW management, the agency that just keeps failing!
If WDFW was a business half the managers would be fired for incompetence and destroying the business!
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Post by: gramps on February 25, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 26, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Spikes have the genetics to be special too. Any whitetail with 2.5+ years of age is going to look pretty special to 95% of hunters:yeah:
Post by: buckfvr on February 26, 2019, 03:13:21 PM
Post by: Utah on February 26, 2019, 09:07:55 PM
Post by: Colville on February 26, 2019, 09:53:56 PM
Post by: Bango skank on February 27, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
Post by: stw on February 27, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2019, 09:19:53 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 09:23:42 AM
As far as the chewelah meeting... ive never heard of the northeast washington wildlife group. I did an internet search for it, expecting they would have a website, and nothing came up. What is this? How do they not even have a website? Supposedly theyre collecting dues at this meeting, but they seem to be a non existant entity when i try to look them up online.
They've been around a long time, I don't think anyone in the group has made a web page, pretty simple explanation.
Post by: Colville on February 27, 2019, 09:41:12 AM
Anything that reduces hunter recruitment, reduces gun ownership/enthusiasm and recruitment. Net wins for that ideology. We have no recourse. An initiative for better hunting management would fail miserably because of the demographics of the state. The Constitution can't be amended by initiative. We won't see better management except nibbling at the edges.
Post by: stw on February 27, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
I know people that were in the Alpine finding cages that were
Drop in and when they hit the ground and opened and for the West side I know for a fact the being drop all over here I take to a guy he had Know idea who I was at a job site he was bragging he was helping the game department he was helping them raising the wolves and we was laughing how he was going out that weekend with them to drop them off down south .
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 27, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 09:48:34 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 27, 2019, 09:56:49 AM
Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.
Post by: buckfvr on February 27, 2019, 10:15:42 AM
Does make more deer. 4 Pt rules mostly result in improved quality per kill, not more kills. Does produce the surpluss. Remove does harvest, improve predator harvest and the problem is solved. 4Pt rules do not make for more deer. 2 pts breed does, 5 pts breed does. There's no strong evidence that does go un-breed, only that there aren't enough of them. Not enough is both a hunting and predator problem.... you recognize they'll only remove one of those from the equation.
All correct except Ill add, with no point restrictions in place, where theres access, whole age classes of immature bucks get wiped out because they havent lived long enough to learn survival skills. Running with the does gets the young bucks killed. I live in 121 and for a FACT can say "any buck" leaves few young survivors. Most hunters that travel to this area wont pass on a spike.......They dont want to hunt, they just want to kill something with an antler, no matter what. When so many young bucks are killed, the mature bucks end up rutting well over a month and get run down bad. Prolonged rut can attribute to winter die off of mature breeder bucks.
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.
I don't see any reason why you have to be such a jerk! Your uncalled for comments take away any credibility you might otherwise have!
Post by: hunter399 on February 27, 2019, 11:35:02 AM
Does make more deer is true, why is WDFW giving out hundreds of doe permits in 2018 when our deer herds are in bad shape,wolves,ect.That person should be fired!Does make more deer. 4 Pt rules mostly result in improved quality per kill, not more kills. Does produce the surpluss. Remove does harvest, improve predator harvest and the problem is solved. 4Pt rules do not make for more deer. 2 pts breed does, 5 pts breed does. There's no strong evidence that does go un-breed, only that there aren't enough of them. Not enough is both a hunting and predator problem.... you recognize they'll only remove one of those from the equation.
All correct except Ill add, with no point restrictions in place, where theres access, whole age classes of immature bucks get wiped out because they havent lived long enough to learn survival skills. Running with the does gets the young bucks killed. I live in 121 and for a FACT can say "any buck" leaves few young survivors. Most hunters that travel to this area wont pass on a spike.......They dont want to hunt, they just want to kill something with an antler, no matter what. When so many young bucks are killed, the mature bucks end up rutting well over a month and get run down bad. Prolonged rut can attribute to winter die off of mature breeder bucks.
It is WDFW job to protect resources for future years of hunting.Not make as much money as they can.Then do damage control,and that's what the antlerless dismissal is.The 4pt min is what they should do to make thing right.No one knows what effect wolves are gonna have on deer this year along with the prolonged winter we are having.Any buck tags for 121,117 should go to quality deer permit to make up for lost revenues that the 4pt min might cause.
Does do make more deer , But not when there dropping fawns on a foot of snow. :dunno:
Post by: buckfvr on February 27, 2019, 11:53:15 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 12:36:07 PM
The opportunity to hunt would be drastically impaired by going to permits.........you can continue to hunt as is AND allow herd recovery with 4pt rule in place, same as last time........I/we dont want to loose time in the woods for economic recovery.....not supposed to be about economics and shouldnt go there. 4pt rule should be through out region 1.
:yeah: Just like the 5 year trial proved in 121 and 117, harvest will drop some the first couple years and then climb and in the end we will have a higher harvest of better quality bucks and with a higher number of bucks all does that can be bred will get bred, a win/win all the way around. Currently it's questionable if all does are even getting bred due to the removal of so many bucks in many areas. At least with the rule the remaining young bucks will get everything bred that old bucks don't get.
Some people seem to get the 4 point whitetail restriction mixed up with the effects of the mule deer restriction. In mule deer point restriction areas there seems to be a large number of mature two point bucks which are never legal to shoot. First that doesn't happen with whitetails, and second if WDFW actually wanted to resolve that issue with MD they could hold a two point only season one year and get rid of most of the mature twos.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 27, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
No credible person has claimed they've seen wolves released in Wa. That's an important piece of evidence to be aware of in discussing that false rumor...particularly when you state several people claim to know/have seen this happen.Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.
I don't see any reason why you have to be such a jerk! Your uncalled for comments take away any credibility you might otherwise have!
Have a nice day though, I will not engage in further discussion on this thread with you given your inability to refrain from personal attacks and name calling.
Post by: mtn muley madness on February 27, 2019, 02:37:44 PM
The opportunity to hunt would be drastically impaired by going to permits.........you can continue to hunt as is AND allow herd recovery with 4pt rule in place, same as last time........I/we dont want to loose time in the woods for economic recovery.....not supposed to be about economics and shouldnt go there. 4pt rule should be through out region 1.
:yeah: Just like the 5 year trial proved in 121 and 117, harvest will drop some the first couple years and then climb and in the end we will have a higher harvest of better quality bucks and with a higher number of bucks all does that can be bred will get bred, a win/win all the way around. Currently it's questionable if all does are even getting bred due to the removal of so many bucks in many areas. At least with the rule the remaining young bucks will get everything bred that old bucks don't get.
Some people seem to get the 4 point whitetail restriction mixed up with the effects of the mule deer restriction. In mule deer point restriction areas there seems to be a large number of mature two point bucks which are never legal to shoot. First that doesn't happen with whitetails, and second if WDFW actually wanted to resolve that issue with MD they could hold a two point only season one year and get rid of most of the mature twos.
The problem I see with opening 2 point mule deer harvest up for one year is young 2 points would account for well over 90% of the 2 point harvest, in my opinion. A whole generation of future 4 points would be non existent. Every 180" buck was young and dumb at one point in its earlier life. And there's plenty of young 2 points breeding a lot of does, but who is to say that young 2 point isn't the son of a 180" stud breeding a doe that's the daughter of a 190" stud? It'd be too hard to regulate what 2 points can get harvested and we can't afford to have all 2 points open season it'd be a massacre. Just my personal opinion.
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2019, 02:49:46 PM
Post by: mtn muley madness on February 27, 2019, 03:12:36 PM
I don't see the need to take out any mature 2 point bucks that may exist. What is the reason for that? I get the feeling people think they're inferior and are somehow detrimental to overall herd health. Why?
Exactly.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2019, 06:04:35 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
I have hunted these units since the late nineties. There have been ups and downs but mostly downs. I'm not a biologist I don't have exact numbers and buck to doe ratio numbers.
I'm just another guy with a truckload of anecdotal evidence. I may not be a local seeing things daily. But I hunt up there multiple seasons a year, I cut my firewood up there, I trap, camp, and fish throughout these units most of the year.
While there is not one issue to place the blame upon, the easiest thing we can do is to stop hunting does. It is asinine to keep having these any deer seasons. The whitetail deer is such a prolific animal and will always be willing to bounce back but we have to do our part and right now we aren't.
Final thought here. No I'm not the guy complaining because I can't find deer. I always find a few huntable bucks and almost always get it done. But when I hunt the same 3 to 5 bucks each year and watch the surrounding doe population go from 20 to 12 to 6 and then 4, it's time for doe hunts to stop.
Post by: Not selected on February 27, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 27, 2019, 07:52:37 PM
:yeah:It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2019, 10:59:05 PM
Here's a screenshot from their presentation planned for the fish and wildlife commission meeting in Spokane on March 1st:
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190228/74fcdbf2d0d5ad41a162ce796d584c26.jpg)
Post by: hunter399 on February 27, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
I completely agree on the doe harvest to stop, but does this now put even more pressure on the buck population from all the guys that previously drew doe tags now will go out with their buck tag. Is this doe harvest only limiting to permits or is archery and muzzy seasons still going to be either sex?All deer seasons will be any buck for all users .
And yes this will put a lot of pressure on bucks ,that really buck populations are not doing that well as is.
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2019, 11:15:28 PM
I completely agree on the doe harvest to stop, but does this now put even more pressure on the buck population from all the guys that previously drew doe tags now will go out with their buck tag. Is this doe harvest only limiting to permits or is archery and muzzy seasons still going to be either sex?All deer seasons will be any buck for all users .
And yes this will put a lot of pressure on bucks ,that really buck populations are not doing that well as is.
what needs to happen is these units need to go to 4pt min
Post by: Bango skank on February 28, 2019, 12:14:30 AM
I completely agree on the doe harvest to stop, but does this now put even more pressure on the buck population from all the guys that previously drew doe tags now will go out with their buck tag. Is this doe harvest only limiting to permits or is archery and muzzy seasons still going to be either sex?All deer seasons will be any buck for all users .
And yes this will put a lot of pressure on bucks ,that really buck populations are not doing that well as is.
what needs to happen is these units need to go to 4pt min
Go tell that to the commission on friday
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 28, 2019, 05:11:38 AM
it doesn't take a bio to know that deer numbers the last 5 years have dramatically dropped. With the inventions of trail cams and anyone who spends a lot of time running them in areas over a period of time can see whats going on with herd numbers. I have places that just a few years ago were loaded with deer and this past year I was lucky to get a deer on cam. I have a buddy who hunts,shed hunts and scouts 101 a ton and the crap he finds is sad. He was hiking the S fork of sherman creek and found 2 herds of muley does wiped out by wolves 13 in total.That is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be documented and made public. The misconception out that that the poor little wolves are running for their lives and don't impact the ungulate population is BS
Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2019, 06:02:19 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2019, 06:11:04 PM
FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION - REGULAR MEETING
March 1-2, 2019
Ramada by Wyndham Spokane Airport
8909 W Airport Drive, Spokane WA 99224 - Inland Empire Room
Friday 8AM to 4:45PM (open public input 8:15 am)
Saturday 8AM to 11:15AM (open public input 8:30 am)
Agenda: https://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2019/03/agenda_mar0119.html
Post by: Bango skank on February 28, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
Post by: Not selected on February 28, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
Post by: hunter399 on February 28, 2019, 08:52:25 PM
I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 28, 2019, 09:24:35 PM
pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
Being against doe hunting when populations are down is laughable but we should take seriously the statement that Grizzlies were planted in the mountains. I continue to learn!
I believe I'm done here. Hope to see some you guys this weekend at the Ramada (that sounds so suspect :chuckle: )
Post by: Mfowl on February 28, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2019, 06:57:06 AM
Ya I said it west side hunters.I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Not that west side hunters are bad.
When you have increase in Hunter from all over the state coming in the NE units for youth seasons,otc doe tags,ect.WDFW should be setting regs and seasons to protect resources.
So ya west side hunters to have a impact on deer populations in the NE corner of state.
Post by: Bango skank on March 01, 2019, 07:14:25 AM
Ya I said it west side hunters.I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Not that west side hunters are bad.
When you have increase in Hunter from all over the state coming in the NE units for youth seasons,otc doe tags,ect.WDFW should be setting regs and seasons to protect resources.
So ya west side hunters to have a impact on deer populations in the NE corner of state.
Theyre also more likely to shoot litle buckz that still have their milk teeth. Cant go home empty handed.
Post by: Not selected on March 01, 2019, 04:10:57 PM
#westside hunter lives matter! You threw out a number of 325 tags. Not even a grain of salt compared to other issues. I just don’t see taking away hunter opportunity an option.Ya I said it west side hunters.I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Not that west side hunters are bad.
When you have increase in Hunter from all over the state coming in the NE units for youth seasons,otc doe tags,ect.WDFW should be setting regs and seasons to protect resources.
So ya west side hunters to have a impact on deer populations in the NE corner of state.
Post by: Not selected on March 01, 2019, 04:14:34 PM
really! Ok, I’ll let my kid know that if a buck ain’t 180” we can’t shoot it. I used to tell him we can’t eat horns. Guess I was wrongYa I said it west side hunters.I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Not that west side hunters are bad.
When you have increase in Hunter from all over the state coming in the NE units for youth seasons,otc doe tags,ect.WDFW should be setting regs and seasons to protect resources.
So ya west side hunters to have a impact on deer populations in the NE corner of state.
Theyre also more likely to shoot litle buckz that still have their milk teeth. Cant go home empty handed.
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2019, 04:23:19 PM
The fact that your worried about your opportunities over our deer herds NE Washington kinda proves my point of the Westside Hunter .I'm very glad that there removing antlerless tags and permits to protect our herds in the area.That was 325 permits just for 117,121 gmu ,along with over the counter doe tags for muzzy and bow hunters,youth,disabled,65 over,That's a lot more doe tags than a grain of salt.#westside hunter lives matter! You threw out a number of 325 tags. Not even a grain of salt compared to other issues. I just don’t see taking away hunter opportunity an option.Ya I said it west side hunters.I don't think there is one Hunter that doesn't know predators are part of the problem.Combined with over harvest ,bad winters,west side hunters.There's no way the population can support archery,muzzy,youth,disabled,65 over,all having otc doe tag,then add 325 doe permits last year given out to modern firearm and expect the population to be doing great with animal predators .pfff! Some of you act like these doe tags are an actual issue affecting the population. Kind of laughable . What’s next? I should choose east or west for deer instead of actually pointing out the real issues!It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .:yeah: over harvest is not the issue. Predators are. I wish I could give away common sense because a few anti- opportunity people here need it :twocents:
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
So killing does despite tanking numbers is common sense? The whitetail needs to be slain at all ages and sexes because "WDFW EVIL"? If that's common sense then go ahead and keep it my friend. :hello:
AND YES I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE HUNTERS CHOSE WEST OR EAST FOR DEER.
West side hunters?
Not that west side hunters are bad.
When you have increase in Hunter from all over the state coming in the NE units for youth seasons,otc doe tags,ect.WDFW should be setting regs and seasons to protect resources.
So ya west side hunters to have a impact on deer populations in the NE corner of state.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 01, 2019, 04:33:59 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2019, 04:44:42 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 01, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
Late archery in 101 any deer. Camps everywhere, yearlings hanging, road hunting, ten times as many beer cans. Idiots rolling around in pickups after dark with flashlights.
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2019, 05:05:43 PM
Late archery in 101 any buck. See half a dozen rigs a day on major road systems, mostly local and local ish guys running stands in the mountains and on certain plots of private.So true
Late archery in 101 any deer. Camps everywhere, yearlings hanging, road hunting, ten times as many beer cans. Idiots rolling around in pickups after dark with flashlights.
Doesn't matter if local or Westside some regs just bring out the worst in people.
Post by: Bango skank on March 01, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
Post by: snake on March 01, 2019, 07:33:54 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2019, 08:43:37 PM
I believe Blue tongue was the main reason for reduction of deer harvest after the 4 pt destruction was lifted. :twocents:
That made a huge impact, but our herd has continued downward since them. Proper management should allow a herd to rebound! :twocents:
Post by: Bango skank on March 01, 2019, 09:06:32 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 01, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Post by: Randysonia on March 02, 2019, 08:39:51 AM
We don't have a game department, but the Washington Department of Fish and Wildpife did not "plant wolves." Just FYI.
No, but outside money did!
Post by: Randysonia on March 02, 2019, 08:42:32 AM
It's funny how the game department planted wolves in Washington to kill everything off and now hunters want to change the hunting rules and take away doe tags for the youth and elderly people and other opportunitys because of population of deer and other game . it's the game department fault wolves and cats killing everything and the game department doesn't want to manage the problem . I don't see how we the people hunters is the problem the numbers were fine before all the predators got out of control . just saying it's pretty sad reading how people want to take away hunting .
My friend a Wise man said they planted the wolves back in the States because the government doesn't want hunting and planted grizzlies in the mountains so they can close mountains down to people and hunters because of bear attacks . . Witch looks to be true game numbers are falling and and people want to close tags or numbers and last hunting season they closed grand Teton national park for elk hunting do to grizzly bears . Pretty sad the future of hunting
:tup: :yeah:
Very well said! Ask the old timers that ran our game dept. 30 - 40 years ago. They know what the problem is and how to fix it. The state just doesn't want to. We need the ted turners out of Washington state! This state has become one of the worst states to even live in anymore. Sad! Problems are a easy fix if they would just do them. Fix the "REAL" problems!
Post by: KFhunter on March 02, 2019, 10:22:59 AM
The one farmer was telling how he used to fence and gate off his hay pile to keep the deer off, but now he doesn't need too. I've found the exact same thing to be true. I've got a pile of hay sitting out there exposed with just a tarp to keep off the snow and rain and there's only two does hitting it. 15 years ago that hay pile would have been getting hammered by deer, no way could I have left it exposed like it is today or the hay would have been ruined, strings pulled off and I'd just have a pile of loose trampled hay. No so much now!
In the 90's we'd have 50+ deer in the fields each night...now I'm down to 2 does that stay very close to the house.
I didn't agree with the anti-baiter at all, the 5 gallon bucket rule is a great compromise and served the purpose it needed too, ending the massive baiting piles by outfitters targeting mule deer. I don't want to see baiting changed from the current status quo, unless it's to allow baiting for more predators such as bear.
I do agree with ending all doe hunting for everyone, we are at crisis levels with our deer herds, sacrifices need to be made.
I especially liked the idea of minimum limits instead of maximum limits on Cougar.
If the harvest drops below 45 animals (or some other number) per year for 2 years consecutively, then the season is adjusted or quota's reinstated. brilliant idea!
Also increase the season duration.
Lot of people calling for reinstatement of hound hunting - agreed! It can be done.
We need to bait bears, it's being done on big timber just expand that to all timber to protect DNR and FS trees from being peeled too, exploit loopholes and get it done.
Also strongly agreed with the feller calling for over the counter spring bear seasons :tup:
All in all a good showing by Stevens CO residents, together they sent a strong message to the commissioners....and I wouldn't want to be a WDFW police being named at the commission hearing, a couple guys got called to the carpet :o
Post by: Randysonia on March 02, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
The one guy was suggesting we end all deer hunting in dist 1 to allow the herds to rebound....well that wouldn't work, the predators would just keep doing what they do keeping the herds suppressed and we'd never see hunting re-opened.The only thing that 's going to bring our animals back is to get people with some Balls to run this states dept. of wildlife. Period!
The one farmer was telling how he used to fence and gate off his hay pile to keep the deer off, but now he doesn't need too. I've found the exact same thing to be true. I've got a pile of hay sitting out there exposed with just a tarp to keep off the snow and rain and there's only two does hitting it. 15 years ago that hay pile would have been getting hammered by deer, no way could I have left it exposed like it is today or the hay would have been ruined, strings pulled off and I'd just have a pile of loose trampled hay. No so much now!
In the 90's we'd have 50+ deer in the fields each night...now I'm down to 2 does that stay very close to the house.
The only thing that 's going to bring our animals back is to get people with some Balls to run this states dept. of wildlife. Period!
I didn't agree with the anti-baiter at all, the 5 gallon bucket rule is a great compromise and served the purpose it needed too, ending the massive baiting piles by outfitters targeting mule deer. I don't want to see baiting changed from the current status quo, unless it's to allow baiting for more predators such as bear.
I do agree with ending all doe hunting for everyone, we are at crisis levels with our deer herds, sacrifices need to be made.
I especially liked the idea of minimum limits instead of maximum limits on Cougar.
If the harvest drops below 45 animals (or some other number) per year for 2 years consecutively, then the season is adjusted or quota's reinstated. brilliant idea!
Also increase the season duration.
Lot of people calling for reinstatement of hound hunting - agreed! It can be done.
We need to bait bears, it's being done on big timber just expand that to all timber to protect DNR and FS trees from being peeled too, exploit loopholes and get it done.
Also strongly agreed with the feller calling for over the counter spring bear seasons :tup:
All in all a good showing by Stevens CO residents, together they sent a strong message to the commissioners....and I wouldn't want to be a WDFW police being named at the commission hearing, a couple guys got called to the carpet :o
Post by: Randysonia on March 02, 2019, 10:48:35 AM
I believe Blue tongue was the main reason for reduction of deer harvest after the 4 pt destruction was lifted. :twocents:
That made a huge impact, but our herd has continued downward since them. Proper management should allow a herd to rebound! :twocents:
We need new people that actually know or Actually Care and not Threatened in what they are doing. Ask the old timers that used to run our department. They know what's wrong!
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 02, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
The one guy was suggesting we end all deer hunting in dist 1 to allow the herds to rebound....well that wouldn't work, the predators would just keep doing what they do keeping the herds suppressed and we'd never see hunting re-opened.
The one farmer was telling how he used to fence and gate off his hay pile to keep the deer off, but now he doesn't need too. I've found the exact same thing to be true. I've got a pile of hay sitting out there exposed with just a tarp to keep off the snow and rain and there's only two does hitting it. 15 years ago that hay pile would have been getting hammered by deer, no way could I have left it exposed like it is today or the hay would have been ruined, strings pulled off and I'd just have a pile of loose trampled hay. No so much now!
In the 90's we'd have 50+ deer in the fields each night...now I'm down to 2 does that stay very close to the house.
I didn't agree with the anti-baiter at all, the 5 gallon bucket rule is a great compromise and served the purpose it needed too, ending the massive baiting piles by outfitters targeting mule deer. I don't want to see baiting changed from the current status quo, unless it's to allow baiting for more predators such as bear.
I do agree with ending all doe hunting for everyone, we are at crisis levels with our deer herds, sacrifices need to be made.
I especially liked the idea of minimum limits instead of maximum limits on Cougar.
If the harvest drops below 45 animals (or some other number) per year for 2 years consecutively, then the season is adjusted or quota's reinstated. brilliant idea!
Also increase the season duration.
Lot of people calling for reinstatement of hound hunting - agreed! It can be done.
We need to bait bears, it's being done on big timber just expand that to all timber to protect DNR and FS trees from being peeled too, exploit loopholes and get it done.
Also strongly agreed with the feller calling for over the counter spring bear seasons :tup:
All in all a good showing by Stevens CO residents, together they sent a strong message to the commissioners....and I wouldn't want to be a WDFW police being named at the commission hearing, a couple guys got called to the carpet :o
They all moved down here...I have over 80 whitetail and 22 mule deer here at 5 every morning and 6 every night. At least 20+ orphan whitetail fawns. Come on SPRING.
Post by: PA BEN on March 02, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Post by: Utah on March 02, 2019, 11:56:23 PM
The Fish and Wildlife Department is wrecking the hunting in NE Washington. Our deer harvest last year will be the lowest on record. Surveys of deer average 43% below their objective for 6 of the last 7 years. Fawn to doe ratios show unsustainable recruitment. We need a 4 point restriction for all of District 1. The economy will continue to suffer. If you want things to change then the Game Commission meeting at the Ramada Inn at the Airport on March 1st and 2nd is the place to make your voice heard. Come to the NWWG meeting on Wednesday, Feb 27 at 6:30 at the Chewelah Casino.
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I like Your Passion!.. we need to flat out attack full bore a game commission that protects predators. It's gross miss management buy the state of Washington to protect big game and economy. Sportsman are the reason wildlife flourishes.. Sue the state. It should be law that unless you purchase a hunting license that your not allowed to comment or be apart of Big Game management issues. We built wildlife! We built what sportsman have today that brings billions into the US economy and were gonna let a bunch of tree hugging liberal phucks that have never purchased a big game license in their lives dictate how we manage big game?
Heads need to roll at all levels of our Game Departments.
Post by: Randysonia on March 03, 2019, 06:56:25 AM
The Fish and Wildlife Department is wrecking the hunting in NE Washington. Our deer harvest last year will be the lowest on record. Surveys of deer average 43% below their objective for 6 of the last 7 years. Fawn to doe ratios show unsustainable recruitment. We need a 4 point restriction for all of District 1. The economy will continue to suffer. If you want things to change then the Game Commission meeting at the Ramada Inn at the Airport on March 1st and 2nd is the place to make your voice heard. Come to the NWWG meeting on Wednesday, Feb 27 at 6:30 at the Chewelah Casino.
Very Very well said! I totally agree! We need some "Backbone" in this State. :yeah: :tup:
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I like Your Passion!.. we need to flat out attack full bore a game commission that protects predators. It's gross miss management buy the state of Washington to protect big game and economy. Sportsman are the reason wildlife flourishes.. Sue the state. It should be law that unless you purchase a hunting license that your not allowed to comment or be apart of Big Game management issues. We built wildlife! We built what sportsman have today that brings billions into the US economy and were gonna let a bunch of tree hugging liberal phucks that have never purchased a big game license in their lives dictate how we manage big game?
Heads need to roll at all levels of our Game Departments.
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2019, 07:16:08 AM
The WDFW is probably the most inept agency in North America! :dunno:
Thank you to everyone who attended and gave them a piece of your mind! :hello:
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2019, 07:26:45 AM
Post by: Shannon on March 03, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2019, 11:51:04 AM
Does anyone know when a meeting like this comes to the West side?
https://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings.html
Post by: Stein on March 03, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Some form of county management is probably going to be the only way to deal with WDFW, an agency that frankly don't give a damn about Eastern Washington wildlife or it's people. All that matters to this inept agency is keeping west side predator lovers happy!
Don't forget the commercial fleet and Orca Taskforce.
Post by: buckfvr on March 03, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 03, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 04, 2019, 12:32:18 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 04, 2019, 05:20:26 AM
Post by: birdmanwa on March 04, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
But before any of that can happen. Something needs to be done about predators. I know we all hate wolves but to me the cougar population is booming and a bigger problem. Everyone I know in the NE has a cougar story. Whether it’s a story of sheep being killed to a cougar killing a deer while the kids are playing outside. It sucks that WDFW is controlled by idiots and we are watching any quality hunting we have left going out the window.
Post by: roderickweise on March 10, 2019, 09:33:05 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 11, 2019, 09:42:14 AM
Coming from Minnesota where we didn't have a ton of predators because we the hunters kept them in check have over a million white tail deer roaming the state. We definitely need to keep the wolves and cougars in check and make sure they are not destroying the deer population.
Hunters and trappers can only "keep them in check" when it's a goal of the agency.
Post by: Old Deer Slayer on March 12, 2019, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 12, 2019, 07:58:06 PM
Coming from Minnesota where we didn't have a ton of predators because we the hunters kept them in check have over a million white tail deer roaming the state. We definitely need to keep the wolves and cougars in check and make sure they are not destroying the deer population.2600+ wolves isn't a lot of predators?
Post by: SuperX on March 13, 2019, 08:49:31 AM
Coming from Minnesota where we didn't have a ton of predators because we the hunters kept them in check have over a million white tail deer roaming the state. We definitely need to keep the wolves and cougars in check and make sure they are not destroying the deer population.
Where in MN? My place is up north by lake vermilion
Post by: buckfvr on March 13, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Coming from Minnesota where we didn't have a ton of predators because we the hunters kept them in check have over a million white tail deer roaming the state. We definitely need to keep the wolves and cougars in check and make sure they are not destroying the deer population.
Way too late for that with no signs of being able to do it any time soon......
Post by: buckfvr on March 13, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
I have to say something in support of the commission, they did try to increase cougar tags by 10% or something like that a couple years ago and the governor overruled their decision. Really we don't have much chance of improving predator management in WA until Inslee becomes president! :dunno:
At the meeting, I certainly felt a few of the commissioners truly cared about the testimony they were hearing. I also feel sure if they carried the hammer, they would drive some nails in the coffin.......but they dont. I also feel wdfw uses them as stooges solely for the observation of protocol.
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
I have to say something in support of the commission, they did try to increase cougar tags by 10% or something like that a couple years ago and the governor overruled their decision. Really we don't have much chance of improving predator management in WA until Inslee becomes president! :dunno:
At the meeting, I certainly felt a few of the commissioners truly cared about the testimony they were hearing. I also feel sure if they carried the hammer, they would drive some nails in the coffin.......but they dont. I also feel wdfw uses them as stooges solely for the observation of protocol.
:yeah: definitely agree, keeps it looking like the public is involved