NE WA Hunting and Game Commission Meeting

[bobcat]

We don't have a game department, but the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife did not "plant wolves." Just FYI.

[bearpaw]

As far as the chewelah meeting...  ive never heard of the northeast washington wildlife group.  I did an internet search for it, expecting they would have a website, and nothing came up.  What is this? How do they not even have a website? Supposedly theyre collecting dues at this meeting, but they seem to be a non existant entity when i try to look them up online.

They've been around a long time, I don't think anyone in the group has made a web page, pretty simple explanation.

[Colville]

Our Dept is a political body.  That's that. We don't get to vote for it's director. It doesn't have to meet our needs. There's no "right" in WA to hunt or fish if you aren't a native.  However they chose to manage, they are unaccountable except to the tune of the Governor and Houses of the state.  Who occupies those offices?  Only the Natives have any leverage over management outcomes.

Anything that reduces hunter recruitment, reduces gun ownership/enthusiasm and recruitment.  Net wins for that ideology.  We have no recourse.  An initiative for better hunting management would fail miserably because of the demographics of the state.  The Constitution can't be amended by initiative.  We won't see better management except nibbling at the edges.

[stw]

You think the wolves just walked here from all over i agree we always had a few . But they were planted to .
I know people that were in the Alpine finding cages that were
Drop in and when they hit the ground and opened and for the West side I know for  a fact the being drop all over here I take to a guy he had Know idea who  I was at a job site he was bragging he was helping the game department he was helping them raising the wolves and we was laughing how he was going out that weekend with them to drop them off down south . 

[HighCountryHunter88]

 

[bearpaw]

Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released. The way wolves travel it's amazing there are not more in other parts of WA already. Maybe there are and they just aren't getting documented by WDFW? 

[idahohuntr]

Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.

To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.   

[buckfvr]

Does make more deer.  4 Pt rules mostly result in improved quality per kill, not more kills.  Does produce the surpluss.  Remove does harvest, improve predator harvest and the problem is solved. 4Pt rules do not make for more deer. 2 pts breed does, 5 pts breed does. There's no strong evidence that does go un-breed, only that there aren't enough of them.  Not enough is both a hunting and predator problem.... you recognize they'll only remove one of those from the equation.

All correct except Ill add, with no point restrictions in place, where theres access, whole age classes of immature bucks get wiped out because they havent lived long enough to learn survival skills.  Running with the does gets the young bucks killed.  I live in 121 and for a FACT can say "any buck" leaves few young survivors.  Most hunters that travel to this area wont pass on a spike.......They dont want to hunt, they just want to kill something with an antler, no matter what.  When so many young bucks are killed, the mature bucks end up rutting well over a month and get run down bad.  Prolonged rut can attribute to winter die off of mature breeder bucks. 

[bearpaw]

Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.

To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.   

I don't see any reason why you have to be such a jerk! Your uncalled for comments take away any credibility you might otherwise have!

[hunter399]

Does make more deer.  4 Pt rules mostly result in improved quality per kill, not more kills.  Does produce the surpluss.  Remove does harvest, improve predator harvest and the problem is solved. 4Pt rules do not make for more deer. 2 pts breed does, 5 pts breed does. There's no strong evidence that does go un-breed, only that there aren't enough of them.  Not enough is both a hunting and predator problem.... you recognize they'll only remove one of those from the equation.

All correct except Ill add, with no point restrictions in place, where theres access, whole age classes of immature bucks get wiped out because they havent lived long enough to learn survival skills.  Running with the does gets the young bucks killed.  I live in 121 and for a FACT can say "any buck" leaves few young survivors.  Most hunters that travel to this area wont pass on a spike.......They dont want to hunt, they just want to kill something with an antler, no matter what.  When so many young bucks are killed, the mature bucks end up rutting well over a month and get run down bad.  Prolonged rut can attribute to winter die off of mature breeder bucks.

Does make more deer is true, why is WDFW giving out hundreds of doe permits in 2018 when our deer herds are in bad shape,wolves,ect.That person should be fired!
It is WDFW job to protect resources for future years of hunting.Not make as much money as they can.Then do damage control,and that's what the antlerless dismissal is.The 4pt min is what they should do to make thing right.No one knows what effect wolves are gonna have on deer this year along with the prolonged winter we are having.Any buck tags for 121,117 should go to quality deer permit to make up for lost revenues that the 4pt min might cause.
Does do make more deer , But not when there dropping fawns on a foot of snow.

[buckfvr]

The opportunity to hunt would be drastically impaired by going to permits.........you can continue to hunt as is AND allow herd recovery with 4pt rule in place, same as last time........I/we dont want to loose time in the woods for economic recovery.....not supposed to be about economics and shouldnt go there.  4pt rule should be through out region 1.

[bearpaw]

The opportunity to hunt would be drastically impaired by going to permits.........you can continue to hunt as is AND allow herd recovery with 4pt rule in place, same as last time........I/we dont want to loose time in the woods for economic recovery.....not supposed to be about economics and shouldnt go there.  4pt rule should be through out region 1.

   Just like the 5 year trial proved in 121 and 117, harvest will drop some the first couple years and then climb and in the end we will have a higher harvest of better quality bucks and with a higher number of bucks all does that can be bred will get bred, a win/win all the way around. Currently it's questionable if all does are even getting bred due to the removal of so many bucks in many areas. At least with the rule the remaining young bucks will get everything bred that old bucks don't get.

Some people seem to get the 4 point whitetail restriction mixed up with the effects of the mule deer restriction. In mule deer point restriction areas there seems to be a large number of mature two point bucks which are never legal to shoot. First that doesn't happen with whitetails, and second if WDFW actually wanted to resolve that issue with MD they could hold a two point only season one year and get rid of most of the mature twos.

[idahohuntr]

Numerous people have claimed they know about or saw wolves released but no evidence has proven that wolves were brought in and released.

To be even more clear -not only is there no evidence, nobody with any credibility has claimed they know or saw wolves released in WA.   

I don't see any reason why you have to be such a jerk! Your uncalled for comments take away any credibility you might otherwise have!

No credible person has claimed they've seen wolves released in Wa.  That's an important piece of evidence to be aware of in discussing that false rumor...particularly when you state several people claim to know/have seen this happen.

Have a nice day though, I will not engage in further discussion on this thread with you given your inability to refrain from personal attacks and name calling.

[mtn muley madness]

The opportunity to hunt would be drastically impaired by going to permits.........you can continue to hunt as is AND allow herd recovery with 4pt rule in place, same as last time........I/we dont want to loose time in the woods for economic recovery.....not supposed to be about economics and shouldnt go there.  4pt rule should be through out region 1.

   Just like the 5 year trial proved in 121 and 117, harvest will drop some the first couple years and then climb and in the end we will have a higher harvest of better quality bucks and with a higher number of bucks all does that can be bred will get bred, a win/win all the way around. Currently it's questionable if all does are even getting bred due to the removal of so many bucks in many areas. At least with the rule the remaining young bucks will get everything bred that old bucks don't get.

Some people seem to get the 4 point whitetail restriction mixed up with the effects of the mule deer restriction. In mule deer point restriction areas there seems to be a large number of mature two point bucks which are never legal to shoot. First that doesn't happen with whitetails, and second if WDFW actually wanted to resolve that issue with MD they could hold a two point only season one year and get rid of most of the mature twos.

The problem I see with opening 2 point mule deer harvest up for one year is young 2 points would account for well over 90% of the 2 point harvest, in my opinion. A whole generation of future 4 points would be non existent. Every 180" buck was young and dumb at one point in its earlier life. And there's plenty of young 2 points breeding a lot of does, but who is to say that young 2 point isn't the son of a 180" stud breeding a doe that's the daughter of a 190" stud? It'd be too hard to regulate what 2 points can get harvested and we can't afford to have all 2 points open season it'd be a massacre. Just my personal opinion.

[bobcat]

I don't see the need to take out any mature 2 point bucks that may exist. What is the reason for that? I get the feeling people think they're inferior and are somehow detrimental to overall herd health. Why?