Post by: yorketransport on August 05, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
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I have a box of 143 Hammer Hunters to work up a load with, but I'm just not sure it's worth the time now! I just wish the velocity was a bit higher with the 168s. I'm using a long action so I have plenty of space to lengthen the feebore, but I just don't want to mess with the load! I had a clear shot at a bear yesterday at a pretty significant range. The impact velocity would have been below what I'm comfortable with using a Berger, but I know a Hammer would have performed at the same impact velocity. I just can't get over my distrust of Bergers on game.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 03:16:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 05, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 05, 2019, 04:05:55 PM
Full pass through with quarter size exit. This was with my 243
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 05, 2019, 04:19:36 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 05, 2019, 04:29:41 PM
Bout time you started hunting with awesome bullets York’! I hoped you would come around. :chuckle:
In a man's caliber like a 338, I'm OK with the Bergers. :chuckle: There's enough mass there to actually make it all the way through the animal. I'm one of those guys who likes pass through shots. I want two holes, let the air in and the blood out!
Post by: mountainman on August 05, 2019, 06:24:39 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
I have never had a problem with bergers performance on game. Have take mule deer as low as 1900fps
Full pass through with quarter size exit. This was with my 243
That is very true and not where the problems happen. Low velocity longer range they do great. Put them in a animal at 3000-3300fps and they tend to vaporize before getting into the vitals to do damage.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 05, 2019, 06:49:18 PM
imo if your hitting an animal at 3000+ FPS you need a bigger bullet. :chuckle:I have never had a problem with bergers performance on game. Have take mule deer as low as 1900fps
Full pass through with quarter size exit. This was with my 243
That is very true and not where the problems happen. Low velocity longer range they do great. Put them in a animal at 3000-3300fps and they tend to vaporize before getting into the vitals to do damage.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 06:57:23 PM
You take most magnum 300 type rifles with 168-180 grain bullet and get a elk that steps out at 50/100 yards. Your going to be cracking them in the 2900/3100 fps range. Which is where I have seen 5 or 6 bullets in said 300's fail to penetrate and grenade. Just not what they are meant for of course but it happens.
We have running joke anytime anyone who is hunting with bergers has a animal step out under 100. Yell and make them run to 500 then shoot them so the bullets work well :chuckle:
Post by: jdb on August 05, 2019, 06:58:01 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 05, 2019, 07:07:29 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 05, 2019, 07:11:36 PM
:chuckle: I love me some big bullets you know that!see! Bigger bullets! I actually kind of experienced that with 210 hunting vld once. Shot a bull elk at 80-90 yards and hit low in the brisket. Aimed higher and spine shot it. When I walked up the whole brisket was blown out and you could clearly see the heart beating in there. No idea why but there wasn’t much blood.
You take most magnum 300 type rifles with 168-180 grain bullet and get a elk that steps out at 50/100 yards. Your going to be cracking them in the 2900/3100 fps range. Which is where I have seen 5 or 6 bullets in said 300's fail to penetrate and grenade. Just not what they are meant for of course but it happens.
We have running joke anytime anyone who is hunting with bergers has a animal step out under 100. Yell and make them run to 500 then shoot them so the bullets work well :chuckle:
Magnum 300s all deserve 215 Berger’s. I’ve used them close to far and never had an issue. 168-180 grain bullets are for 7mms.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 07:24:35 PM
180 accubonds do 90% of the whacking in the 30s for me.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 05, 2019, 07:29:17 PM
Could be the ticket! More weight less detonate? Dang I could be a rapper lol:chuckle:
180 accubonds do 90% of the whacking in the 30s for me.
Post by: Bob33 on August 05, 2019, 07:47:32 PM
Could be the ticket! More weight less detonate? Dang I could be a rapper lolWhacking in the 30s?
180 accubonds do 90% of the whacking in the 30s for me.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 07:50:17 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 05, 2019, 08:18:08 PM
ive also taken many deer in bow range with bergers over 3000 fps. Drt they may not exit but who cares if you don’t have to track them.I have never had a problem with bergers performance on game. Have take mule deer as low as 1900fps
Full pass through with quarter size exit. This was with my 243
That is very true and not where the problems happen. Low velocity longer range they do great. Put them in a animal at 3000-3300fps and they tend to vaporize before getting into the vitals to do damage.
For the record I ain’t no shoulder puncher. I like shoulder meat and go for the double lung
Post by: yorketransport on August 05, 2019, 09:04:52 PM
Could be the ticket! More weight less detonate? Dang I could be a rapper lol
180 accubonds do 90% of the whacking in the 30s for me.
That's a great idea for a t-shirt!
Post by: Bob33 on August 05, 2019, 09:09:07 PM
Most my whacking comes from .30-.45 now days. Well late in the year when the snow hits I even whack with a .50 :chuckle:Doesn't that hurt?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 05, 2019, 09:09:54 PM
Could be the ticket! More weight less detonate? Dang I could be a rapper lol
180 accubonds do 90% of the whacking in the 30s for me.
That's a great idea for a t-shirt!
HECK YEAH!!!!! I think you just cornered a market!!!! Do I get a royalty?I hope I get Karl in the gift exchange this year! I know what he is getting :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Jellymon on August 05, 2019, 10:38:41 PM
Post by: gadwall on August 06, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
How to the bergers do on big bone? If you hit a big bull on the point of the shoulder will they make it through the bone to the vitals?
A buddy of mine shot a big mule deer buck at 762 on the rangefinder with a 190 Berger out of a 300 Ultramag and the shoulders were a mess, a big mess!!! :bash: :bash:. Not my choice for a big game bullet, though they shoot very well.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
Post by: birddogdad on August 07, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2019, 10:54:26 AM
If you connect with large bone using any bulllet you will make a mess. :twocents:
True, but it's all about whether you will trim that mess off and take the rest of the meat home or watch it limp off into the sunset.
Post by: Taco280AI on August 07, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
Post by: b23 on August 07, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
If someone is of the mind set that a bullet needs to mushroom and retain a large percentage of its original weight and if it doesn't it's a bullet fail, then they will never be happy shooting a bullet like the Berger's.
There are countless posts by hunters on many different forums where they claim complete bullet failure because they used a Berger and the bullet fragmented and had little weight retention for any of the pieces. But, they're standing next to the dead animal that didn't go more than a few feet before it piled up. Yep, complete bullet failure. LOL
I'm a believer in shot placement, nearly always, trumps bullet construction. IMO, more often than not, animals that require tracking, is generally due to poor shot placement, and less about bullet failure.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 11:43:26 AM
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
The other bullets mentioned were mostly designed as hunting bullets from the get go and then some were slightly optimized to fly as good as possible given the material and design choices and shape.
In my opinion, if one was to start from zero I can't see how the first choice they would make for a big game bullet is to pick one that fragments. I think the vast majority of people, keeping everything else equal, would choose the bullet that can pound through an elk leg or hip and keep going.
If Berger came out with a bullet like that tomorrow with a great BC, I think their current hunting bullet sales would drop off a cliff.
In my mind that's the choice, whether you place more importance on the BC or bullet construction. I don't buy the argument that fragmenting bullets are the way to go, nor do I buy the argument that it's a great idea to be flinging a TSX 1200 yards at an animal.
Of course shot placement is paramount, but bullets don't always go where we want which is the reality of hunting. I am going to have off shots , it's a fact of life and I firmly believe that for elk in particular, I want something that can pound through as much of the animal as possible.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
I think it kind of comes down to which philosophy of hunting bullet design you buy into. Bergers are all about the bullet penetrating the hide then fragmenting like a grenade to create more wound channels so the animal bleeds out as quickly as possible. Most other bullet companies are all about the bullet mushrooming and retaining maximum weight retention.my personal favorite is the bullet failure that resulted in a lost animal. Well how do you know it was the bullet and not just a crappy hit :dunno:
If someone is of the mind set that a bullet needs to mushroom and retain a large percentage of its original weight and if it doesn't it's a bullet fail, then they will never be happy shooting a bullet like the Berger's.
There are countless posts by hunters on many different forums where they claim complete bullet failure because they used a Berger and the bullet fragmented and had little weight retention for any of the pieces. But, they're standing next to the dead animal that didn't go more than a few feet before it piled up. Yep, complete bullet failure. LOL
I'm a believer in shot placement, nearly always, trumps bullet construction. IMO, more often than not, animals that require tracking, is generally due to poor shot placement, and less about bullet failure.
I've been fortunate to be able to not only take many animals but be a part of more than a few hundred kills. I've ran the full gamet of bullet theory's. Ive seen em shot at point blank to really really far with every type of projectile imaginable. In my personal experience, Bergers have produced the most spectacular kills. Almost 100% of the time, the "perfect hit" that leads to a long track job and rodeo style follow up is always poor shot placement and bullet failure. Only bullet I have seen "fail" were barnes. Animals died but the bullets did not expand even a little bit. You could have reloaded them :chuckle:
All my rifles shoot bergers now except my old 30-06. She is still rocking the nosler partitions. I want my bullet to enter and then leave everything it has in the vitals. I do not care about an exit wound :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 11:55:54 AM
I'll also argue that a bullet that sends some fragments in all directions is gonna be your friend vs a bonded bullet on a sub par hit :twocents:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
Post by: 92xj on August 07, 2019, 12:00:46 PM
Full pass through leaving behind the petals that liquidfy the innards.
I wish I could have recovered my bullet from my bear, but I had a golf ball exit hole, with liquid lungs and the top half of the heart nowhere to be found. Bear died 2 feet from where he was shot. Will be trying on, hopefully, 3 deer and an antelope this fall.
Post by: b23 on August 07, 2019, 12:07:34 PM
Besides all that.... most importantly look how much cooler Berger’s look than all the others.
LOL
That's right, because it's not how well you play the game, but more importantly, how good you look doing it, and since, according to my teenager, I seriously lack in "cool factory" I better keep shooting bullets like the Berger's and Hornady ELD's so I can up my game and get more coolerer. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Seems like hammer bullets would be the best of both worlds for you.I've been wanting to try them but then I look at the price :yike: I put way too many rounds down range and make way too little money to shoot those things :chuckle:
Full pass through leaving behind the petals that liquidfy the innards.
I wish I could have recovered my bullet from my bear, but I had a golf ball exit hole, with liquid lungs and the top half of the heart nowhere to be found. Bear died 2 feet from where he was shot. Will be trying on, hopefully, 3 deer and an antelope this fall.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 12:10:18 PM
eld's lost me right out of the gate when they went away from that transparent red tip to the solid red tips. Old ones looked so much cooler :chuckle:Besides all that.... most importantly look how much cooler Berger’s look than all the others.
LOL
That's right, because it's not how well you play the game, but more importantly, how good you look doing it, and since, according to my teenager, I seriously lack in "cool factory" I better keep shooting bullets like the Berger's and Hornady ELD's so I can up my game and get more coolerer. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2019, 12:12:21 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
eld's lost me right out of the gate when they went away from that transparent red tip to the solid red tips. Old ones looked so much cooler :chuckle:Besides all that.... most importantly look how much cooler Berger’s look than all the others.
LOL
That's right, because it's not how well you play the game, but more importantly, how good you look doing it, and since, according to my teenager, I seriously lack in "cool factory" I better keep shooting bullets like the Berger's and Hornady ELD's so I can up my game and get more coolerer. :chuckle: :chuckle:
They really crash and burned with that change. :chuckle: ruined everything good about them.
Post by: b23 on August 07, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
eld's lost me right out of the gate when they went away from that transparent red tip to the solid red tips. Old ones looked so much cooler :chuckle:Besides all that.... most importantly look how much cooler Berger’s look than all the others.
LOL
That's right, because it's not how well you play the game, but more importantly, how good you look doing it, and since, according to my teenager, I seriously lack in "cool factory" I better keep shooting bullets like the Berger's and Hornady ELD's so I can up my game and get more coolerer. :chuckle: :chuckle:
But, but, the newerer ones have the "heat shield tip" so that automatically increases the cool factor by X10. Duh!!! :tup:
And now, I have some of the new A-Tip in 6.5 and .30 cal so that "ups" my cool factory significantly. :rolleyes:
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2019, 12:35:25 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 12:40:36 PM
I've used Bergers, and I sure do like their accuracy, but the biggest downside I see is the lead fragments they're sure to leave throughout the meat. Also the one failure I had with a mule deer center punched through both lungs and ran off like it was a complete miss. For some reason that particular bullet apparently failed to expand. The .270 Bergers I have left I'll be using for coyotes, and for big game I'm now using Nosler Accubonds.did you recover the deer?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 12:48:54 PM
I've used Bergers, and I sure do like their accuracy, but the biggest downside I see is the lead fragments they're sure to leave throughout the meat. Also the one failure I had with a mule deer center punched through both lungs and ran off like it was a complete miss. For some reason that particular bullet apparently failed to expand. The .270 Bergers I have left I'll be using for coyotes, and for big game I'm now using Nosler Accubonds.
Have you found any of the lead fragments?
I’d say that there is also a rush of lead being left from the accubonds. Sure the core is bonded to the jacket but lead is soft and easily scraped off.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 01:02:18 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 07, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
I also have several family members and firends that still hunt with them and I have seen some great kills. Most coming from 2000/2400 fps impact velocity at extended ranges. Close range, not so much. Shot placement is key in hunting but a bullet that wont enter into the vitals and do damage or minimal damge is not for me. Ive shot them and hunted with them and love them on paper but on avgerage. I have seen enough that I didnt care for and some true strait up failures. That I just cant hunt them, other do and thats the spice of life diversity and different of opionos behind people that are hunting and killing plenty of animals.
Post by: Rob on August 07, 2019, 02:04:26 PM
So far they have been the best shooting bullet in terms of accuracy I have found for that rifle and have killed everything I have hit with them. Total of 8 animals (3 mule deer, 2 Elk, 1 pronghorn, 1 axis deer, and 1 zebra) with distances from 90 (mule deer) to 380 yards (Elk). I really want to move to a different bullet though. Here is why:
-In every case the bullet has left a pencil hole entrance wound, and no exit wound.
-The bullets have all exploded inside and I have not found a piece more than 22 grains in weight inside.
In the event I have a bad hit, I really want a blood trail. Case in point: I had a scope issue with my rifle on the Zebra that resulted in a broad side shot at 270 yards that was a solid 3 feet left of the point of aim (no wind, good rest). If I had not been with a set of professional trackers and guides I am pretty sure I never would have recovered that animal as there was no blood trail to follow.
I was hopeful the Swift A-frame would shoot well, and they do, but not as good as the Berger's. The BC is not as good, but I am not a long range hunter - it takes a lot for me to want to shoot beyond 300 yards, and 400 to 500 is my cap right now. IMO nearly every hunting bullet will perform good enough to 500 yards to not be too concerned with BC. I am only really concerned with Accuracy (firstly), and bullet performance in terms of expansion and penetration (Secondly).
I will keep searching, but plan on using the Berger's until I find one that is no more than +10% of the MOA I get with the Berger's
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
I shoot the 168 grain BVLD hunting bullets in my 7mm RM.the thing about bullets is they all can do goofy things. I've recovered accubonds from animals at sub 100 yard shots from magnum rifles and then I've had accubonds pass through well passed ranges they should. I had a whitetail run 400 yards, stop, and tip over dead after I sent a 165gr ballistic tip through his heart and 125 yards. It was goo but for some reason he was able to keep the wheels turning. Shooting a different bullet doesnt guarantee an exit, and I'd still argue that a bullet that sheds some material is your friend on a poor hit. Higher odds of one of those pieces cutting something vital. Vast majority of berger kills I see actually do have an exit. The base of the bullet usually finds it's way out somewhere.
So far they have been the best shooting bullet in terms of accuracy I have found for that rifle and have killed everything I have hit with them. Total of 8 animals (3 mule deer, 2 Elk, 1 pronghorn, 1 axis deer, and 1 zebra) with distances from 90 (mule deer) to 380 yards (Elk). I really want to move to a different bullet though. Here is why:
-In every case the bullet has left a pencil hole entrance wound, and no exit wound.
-The bullets have all exploded inside and I have not found a piece more than 22 grains in weight inside.
In the event I have a bad hit, I really want a blood trail. Case in point: I had a scope issue with my rifle on the Zebra that resulted in a broad side shot at 270 yards that was a solid 3 feet left of the point of aim (no wind, good rest). If I had not been with a set of professional trackers and guides I am pretty sure I never would have recovered that animal as there was no blood trail to follow.
I was hopeful the Swift A-frame would shoot well, and they do, but not as good as the Berger's. The BC is not as good, but I am not a long range hunter - it takes a lot for me to want to shoot beyond 300 yards, and 400 to 500 is my cap right now. IMO nearly every hunting bullet will perform good enough to 500 yards to not be too concerned with BC. I am only really concerned with Accuracy (firstly), and bullet performance in terms of expansion and penetration (Secondly).
I will keep searching, but plan on using the Berger's until I find one that is no more than +10% of the MOA I get with the Berger's
I agree with you that far too many people consider the b.c. of a bullet and unless they are shooting farther than 5 or 6 hundo they just shouldn't even think about it. That said, even if I was a hard line 400 and in guy, I'd still shoot the biggest within reason berger and I'd still push em hard. As big as I can stabilize anyways. :twocents:
Post by: jasnt on August 07, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
I would never say they cant kill and they do have a sweet spot which works very well. I consider a failure when the bullet fails to penetrate into the abdominal cavity. Not that the shot was bad and didn't turn out. I have watched with my own 2 eyes a bull be shot 6 times from 150 to 20 yards with a 300wsm. All of them would have been vital hits with any bullet other then a berger. Only 2 of the 6 made it inside the chest cavity and the damage was minimal at best. 4 out of 6 bullets were completely designated under the hide on ribs or shoulder. That is 100% a pure strait up failure for a bullet regardless of a dead animal at the end. Now could it have been a bad batch? maybe but to many people have seen high velocity poor penetration on anything other then ribs and behind the shoulder shots. Lots of guys kill plenty animals with them just like chris and karl and guys I know to be legit strait up guys. Just as they know I am and I have nothing to gain by telling of my personal expiernce with them. Shooting and being present for the hunts.are you sure they where hunting bullets and not target? Many story’s I’ve heard about this happening ended up being target. I believe your story but have never seen results like that my self. I’ve never taken an elk but many deer at 20-30 yards in my food plot and almost always have an exit.
I also have several family members and firends that still hunt with them and I have seen some great kills. Most coming from 2000/2400 fps impact velocity at extended ranges. Close range, not so much. Shot placement is key in hunting but a bullet that wont enter into the vitals and do damage or minimal damge is not for me. Ive shot them and hunted with them and love them on paper but on avgerage. I have seen enough that I didnt care for and some true strait up failures. That I just cant hunt them, other do and thats the spice of life diversity and different of opionos behind people that are hunting and killing plenty of animals.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 02:33:42 PM
the base or core has to go somewhere. My experience is they exit.I would never say they cant kill and they do have a sweet spot which works very well. I consider a failure when the bullet fails to penetrate into the abdominal cavity. Not that the shot was bad and didn't turn out. I have watched with my own 2 eyes a bull be shot 6 times from 150 to 20 yards with a 300wsm. All of them would have been vital hits with any bullet other then a berger. Only 2 of the 6 made it inside the chest cavity and the damage was minimal at best. 4 out of 6 bullets were completely designated under the hide on ribs or shoulder. That is 100% a pure strait up failure for a bullet regardless of a dead animal at the end. Now could it have been a bad batch? maybe but to many people have seen high velocity poor penetration on anything other then ribs and behind the shoulder shots. Lots of guys kill plenty animals with them just like chris and karl and guys I know to be legit strait up guys. Just as they know I am and I have nothing to gain by telling of my personal expiernce with them. Shooting and being present for the hunts.are you sure they where hunting bullets and not target? Many story’s I’ve heard about this happening ended up being target. I believe your story but have never seen results like that my self. I’ve never taken an elk but many deer at 20-30 yards in my food plot and almost always have an exit.
I also have several family members and firends that still hunt with them and I have seen some great kills. Most coming from 2000/2400 fps impact velocity at extended ranges. Close range, not so much. Shot placement is key in hunting but a bullet that wont enter into the vitals and do damage or minimal damge is not for me. Ive shot them and hunted with them and love them on paper but on avgerage. I have seen enough that I didnt care for and some true strait up failures. That I just cant hunt them, other do and thats the spice of life diversity and different of opionos behind people that are hunting and killing plenty of animals.
Post by: b23 on August 07, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
I would never say they cant kill and they do have a sweet spot which works very well. I consider a failure when the bullet fails to penetrate into the abdominal cavity. Not that the shot was bad and didn't turn out. I have watched with my own 2 eyes a bull be shot 6 times from 150 to 20 yards with a 300wsm. All of them would have been vital hits with any bullet other then a berger. Only 2 of the 6 made it inside the chest cavity and the damage was minimal at best. 4 out of 6 bullets were completely designated under the hide on ribs or shoulder. That is 100% a pure strait up failure for a bullet regardless of a dead animal at the end. Now could it have been a bad batch? maybe but to many people have seen high velocity poor penetration on anything other then ribs and behind the shoulder shots. Lots of guys kill plenty animals with them just like chris and karl and guys I know to be legit strait up guys. Just as they know I am and I have nothing to gain by telling of my personal expiernce with them. Shooting and being present for the hunts.
I also have several family members and firends that still hunt with them and I have seen some great kills. Most coming from 2000/2400 fps impact velocity at extended ranges. Close range, not so much. Shot placement is key in hunting but a bullet that wont enter into the vitals and do damage or minimal damge is not for me. Ive shot them and hunted with them and love them on paper but on avgerage. I have seen enough that I didnt care for and some true strait up failures. That I just cant hunt them, other do and thats the spice of life diversity and different of opionos behind people that are hunting and killing plenty of animals.
I'm not saying I don't believe, because I've talked to you and bought from you and I think you're a solid guy, but I gotta be honest, this one is a bit of a stretch for me.
I will say, adrenaline in a elk is some powerful stuff and I've seen them take a lot of hits and keep on going, particularly, when shot at close range and they spooked and got to running or were being driven hard by the pursuer/s. Having hunted elk in the Hanford area, a lot, over the years I've seen all kinds of crazy stuff and it was sometimes a full on rodeo and almost dangerous when clowns would get into a good size herd and start blazing away.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 07, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
I was a skinner and witness. There was nothing but tons of fragments and bullet bits no base no nothing left.
Estimated impact velocity was around 2900-3000fps on the shots.
Trust me, I got better things to do then make stuff up on the web. Actually I hate telling the story as I like quick clean kills and this was anything but that.
Post by: jasnt on August 07, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
Was on the hunt was not the shooter, was told they were hunting model. When I saw the performance I questioned if it was the target model as well.what year was that? Possibly before Berger switched to the j4 jacket?
I was a skinner and witness. There was nothing but tons of fragments and bullet bits no base no nothing left.
Estimated impact velocity was around 2900-3000fps on the shots.
Trust me, I got better things to do then make stuff up on the web. Actually I hate telling the story as I like quick clean kills and this was anything but that.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 07, 2019, 04:17:20 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 07, 2019, 07:40:50 PM
I decided that I'm not going to use the Bergers for hunting even though they shoot well. The 143 Hammer Hunters are holding .5 MOA @ 3140 fps with no load work and even the 155gr Cutting Edge MTH is under .5 MOA at 2960 fps. Besides, the state of California told me that lead toxic! I can't kill stuff with a bullet made of something that could kill them. :o :chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on August 07, 2019, 07:48:04 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 07, 2019, 07:54:16 PM
I was just taking a cheap shot at Berger bullets and then all the fanboy's show up with their "real world experience". It's like a Creedmoor thread. :chuckle:You just don’t have the cojones for hunting with Berger’s!
I decided that I'm not going to use the Bergers for hunting even though they shoot well. The 143 Hammer Hunters are holding .5 MOA @ 3140 fps with no load work and even the 155gr Cutting Edge MTH is under .5 MOA at 2960 fps. Besides, the state of California told me that lead toxic! I can't kill stuff with a bullet made of something that could kill them. :o :chuckle:
:sry:
Post by: yorketransport on August 07, 2019, 08:07:59 PM
I was just taking a cheap shot at Berger bullets and then all the fanboy's show up with their "real world experience". It's like a Creedmoor thread. :chuckle:You just don’t have the cojones for hunting with Berger’s!
I decided that I'm not going to use the Bergers for hunting even though they shoot well. The 143 Hammer Hunters are holding .5 MOA @ 3140 fps with no load work and even the 155gr Cutting Edge MTH is under .5 MOA at 2960 fps. Besides, the state of California told me that lead toxic! I can't kill stuff with a bullet made of something that could kill them. :o :chuckle:
:sry:
I accept this. :tup:
I'm already outside of my comfort zone using a 7mm and a rifle at the same time, don't pressure me here! I'll probably revert back to my old ways and grab one of the pistols anyways. I haven't shot anything with the 338 SnipeTac pistol yet....
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 07, 2019, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 07, 2019, 08:51:28 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 07, 2019, 09:32:15 PM
Sorry York but the Berger haters showed up way before the Berger fanboys 8)
Don't you have better things to do, like be out there
I don’t mind the Berger haters. Just means less “back order ok”
That just makes me want to order some ridiculous amount of bullets just to make sure you can't get any.
Post by: actionshooter on August 07, 2019, 11:10:46 PM
They are stupid accurate.... they always destroy a bunch of meat, I hardly find any of the bullet left behind.... They go against what I was always taught about bullets and not one buck has gone more than 20 yards after its been hit. I'll keep using them.
Post by: jasnt on August 08, 2019, 05:27:25 AM
:chuckle: I buy most locally any way 😂Sorry York but the Berger haters showed up way before the Berger fanboys 8)
Don't you have better things to do, like be out therekillingcrippling animals with your Bergers? ;) I never actually hunt, so I have more time to be an internet expert. You're too busy actually hunting to keep up with my level of "internet operator" skill. :chuckle:I don’t mind the Berger haters. Just means less “back order ok”
That just makes me want to order some ridiculous amount of bullets just to make sure you can't get any.
Plus you’ll just bored with them anyway and put them up for sale