Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 02:02:07 PM
I don't own toys; can't afford 'em. I don't care if people use them legally. But it chaps my a$$ when I hike in a couple of miles on a closed road and here comes a motorized vehicle. It's unethical, illegal, unsportsmanlike, and shows no concern for the environment or the reason that particular habitat is being protected. These guys don't understand the enjoyment of the woods or its value.
Post by: 7mmfan on September 23, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
Post by: Stein on September 23, 2019, 02:07:18 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
Had it happen to me more than once. It really is frustrating. Hopefully the LEO does something about it.
I hope they do but without catching them in the act,...I doubt it.
Post by: CP on September 23, 2019, 02:12:04 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
Post by: CP on September 23, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,203033.msg2696780.html#msg2696780
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
Post by: CP on September 23, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
Yep, the laws are different all over. That’s probably why many people ignore them and why few are enforced.
They knew exactly what they were doing and weren't happy at all when I came to their camp taking pictures of their plates. I agree that the laws in this state can be hard to follow. This was not the case here.
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 03:09:49 PM
Was walking down a tank-trapped road in the 560. I'd seen a lot of sign and getting a couple miles in behind two ponds was a really good prospect. I left a little late in the afternoon and had planned to stay until dark. As I approached my spot, I started to hear motors and then saw two ATVs coming toward me on the road, one, a large green Polaris. As soon as they saw me they turned around and took off in the other direction. Hunt ruined. I looked around and there were tracks and damage to the habitat everywhere because of all the rain we'd had. I knew where they were camped, went to the camp, and took pictures of the plates on their ATVs and trucks, which I gave to the FS.Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
I don't own toys; can't afford 'em. I don't care if people use them legally. But it chaps my a$$ when I hike in a couple of miles on a closed road and here comes a motorized vehicle. It's unethical, illegal, unsportsmanlike, and shows no concern for the environment or the reason that particular habitat is being protected. These guys don't understand the enjoyment of the woods or its value.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 23, 2019, 03:12:37 PM
Post by: Bango skank on September 23, 2019, 03:15:37 PM
Was walking down a tank-trapped road in the 560. I'd seen a lot of sign and getting a couple miles in behind two ponds was a really good prospect. I left a little late in the afternoon and had planned to stay until dark. As I approached my spot, I started to hear motors and then saw two ATVs coming toward me on the road, one, a large green Polaris. As soon as they saw me they turned around and took off in the other direction. Hunt ruined. I looked around and there were tracks and damage to the habitat everywhere because of all the rain we'd had. I knew where they were camped, went to the camp, and took pictures of the plates on their ATVs and trucks, which I gave to the FS.Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
I don't own toys; can't afford 'em. I don't care if people use them legally. But it chaps my a$$ when I hike in a couple of miles on a closed road and here comes a motorized vehicle. It's unethical, illegal, unsportsmanlike, and shows no concern for the environment or the reason that particular habitat is being protected. These guys don't understand the enjoyment of the woods or its value.
There are lots of areas open to atv use. If you want to hunt up a closed road then get your fat lazy ass off of your atv and use your boots.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
Post by: Bango skank on September 23, 2019, 03:29:16 PM
I think we should be more like Idaho, they get to utilize their quads on most roads, with some walk in only roads. Unlike this state where most are gated with some quad roads. The 113 unit has a ridiculous amount of gated roads, as I get older the more I’ll be limited to my hunting ability, the use of my quad opens up much more possibilities. I’m not supporting illegal use of quads, I’m saying there should be more legal use roads! Question for you guys, if they were using a quad behind the gate at night to get their animal out, ( because of their limited physical ability) would you turn them in? I’d be pissed too if I walked in for miles and they drove by, but at night after hunting is over and they just need to utilize the quad to retrieve game, I’m all for it.
If you cant retrieve your game without your atv then you shouldnt be hunting up a closed road in the first place.
Post by: Stein on September 23, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum. :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2019, 03:47:15 PM
I’m more talking about the gated roads that have logging equipment running up and down them half the year? My heart and head will always want to get away from the roads and people, but at 50, I’m feeling it. What about a moose down 4 miles in, in grizz country, would you still turn him in?I think we should be more like Idaho, they get to utilize their quads on most roads, with some walk in only roads. Unlike this state where most are gated with some quad roads. The 113 unit has a ridiculous amount of gated roads, as I get older the more I’ll be limited to my hunting ability, the use of my quad opens up much more possibilities. I’m not supporting illegal use of quads, I’m saying there should be more legal use roads! Question for you guys, if they were using a quad behind the gate at night to get their animal out, ( because of their limited physical ability) would you turn them in? I’d be pissed too if I walked in for miles and they drove by, but at night after hunting is over and they just need to utilize the quad to retrieve game, I’m all for it.
If you cant retrieve your game without your atv then you shouldnt be hunting up a closed road in the first place.
Post by: Bango skank on September 23, 2019, 03:49:15 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 23, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
I wish we had some exceptions for game retrieval via ATV
But as everything else it would get abused
I’m 60
Thank god I can still go even after back surgery and a broken pelvis
You guys in your 30s will know someday what it’s like
Glass houses
:twocents:
Post by: Bango skank on September 23, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
Rough crowd:yeah: agree, sucks getting old and I hate the thought of road hunting just because I’m old (when I get old). But retrieval by quad would be great.
I wish we had some exceptions for game retrieval via ATV
But as everything else it would get abused
I’m 60
Thank god I can still go even after back surgery and a broken pelvis
You guys in your 30s will know someday what it’s like
Glass houses
:twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on September 23, 2019, 04:27:29 PM
I hate parking at gates due to theft and vandalism
I take my game cart and pack boards always as I usually hunt solo
You can pack an elephant out in small chunks
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on September 23, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
This crap frustrates me to no end. Gates aren't in place to protect "dandelions along the road" as one poster said—they're there to reduce motorized impacts on other outdoor users (hunters!) and wildlife, particularly elk that benefit greatly from areas without motorized disturbance.
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/bha_s_ohv_reward_fund
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Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
I grew up running a lot of these roads back when FS prided themselves on having nice brushed out road.
Then over the years I had to watch them put gates up and tank trap everything and let the forest go to crap, and back then I rode behind every freaking locked gate I could just because screw em..
I don't do that now, but I get it, boy to I get it :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 04:56:57 PM
If possible (I know, I know, it's usually not), get photos, trailer plate #s or ID numbers and you could get a $500 reward from BHA for reporting illegal motorized use.
This crap frustrates me to no end. Gates aren't in place to protect "dandelions along the road" as one poster said—they're there to reduce motorized impacts on other outdoor users (hunters!) and wildlife, particularly elk that benefit greatly from areas without motorized disturbance.
That's BS, I could see some instances where its true (the jerky factory) but certainly not in most areas, the roads had been open for many many years leading back well into the 1800's some roads. The plan is to lock up roads and let them go into disrepair so environmentalists and groups like BHA can lock it up into wilderness and exclude all but the very fittest of people, and even they don't access very much of the wilderness or roadless areas.
"protect other hunters"....LOL it excludes them!
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
Why do you even buy a hunting license or a license to drive a car, then? You pick a choose the rules you want to follow and screw the rest. You're the problem that screws it up for the rest of the ATVers. It's people like you that have people like me not care when the government restricts your rights.Except you again make a foolish ignorant statement. I do not have a Hunt lic for this state currently. All my atvs are licensed and legal and my UTV is a "street legal lic insurance" vehicle. And finally I don't Do these things hunting in Wa. I did use utv in Idaho and nobody beeched about flowers and grass destroyed when I DROVE around those friggin gates many times!!! I can still support my feelings, I still choose to not pay tickets.
Post by: Stein on September 23, 2019, 05:23:41 PM
Post by: OutHouse on September 23, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
Was walking down a tank-trapped road in the 560. I'd seen a lot of sign and getting a couple miles in behind two ponds was a really good prospect. I left a little late in the afternoon and had planned to stay until dark. As I approached my spot, I started to hear motors and then saw two ATVs coming toward me on the road, one, a large green Polaris. As soon as they saw me they turned around and took off in the other direction. Hunt ruined. I looked around and there were tracks and damage to the habitat everywhere because of all the rain we'd had. I knew where they were camped, went to the camp, and took pictures of the plates on their ATVs and trucks, which I gave to the FS.Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
I don't own toys; can't afford 'em. I don't care if people use them legally. But it chaps my a$$ when I hike in a couple of miles on a closed road and here comes a motorized vehicle. It's unethical, illegal, unsportsmanlike, and shows no concern for the environment or the reason that particular habitat is being protected. These guys don't understand the enjoyment of the woods or its value.
Your statement is absurd. Read it out loud to yourself and think about it for a minute. If that doesn't give you at least some pause, there is no hope for you. :bash:
And it just paints hunters in a bad light. Screw the rules? Flaunt the law because that supports our freedom? How is it whining to abide by the rules and have some justified umbrage when others don't to your detriment? There was probably a time when there were no seasons of bag limits. Do you flaunt the law in that regard too?
Post by: CP on September 23, 2019, 05:36:14 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
Yet another thread likely to be locked for promoting illegal activity. I'm not sure what the deal is lately, everything seems to go sideways.
ATV threads have always been heated, but I do ask for some temperance from those participating here.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2019, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 06:17:42 PM
Post by: kentrek on September 23, 2019, 06:24:11 PM
FYI, driving around gates in Idaho is not illegal, they are much more atv friendly there.
Idaho has roads where ATV use is not allowed....and probably has width restrictions
So just cuz you "can" drive around a gate doesn't mean it's legal...know the rules we all play by...its simple
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 06:32:44 PM
Post by: BA Mongor on September 23, 2019, 06:44:20 PM
But, on the other hand there's nothing worse than hiking in miles only to have a quad or motorcycle come by and not give a Shizzit about the rules or your hunt. They only care about themselves and getting away with cheating the system and us law abiding guys who work hard. And as far as your statement goes about buying a quad, a lot of us have them, but can't and won't use them around gates that don't allow access.
I'm to the point where I'm having to think harder and harder about my hunting areas and packing out my boned out elk 7-miles by myself, as I approach 6-decades. It's getting tougher, but I still do it. I don't call Sierra and beg to get access or drive my quad in illegally. I just get'er done and hurt for a few days.
And as someone mentioned, not all gated areas in Idaho have quad access, but I'm sure you could care less and just go around them ! Grab a pack board and get busy !!!!
Post by: kentrek on September 23, 2019, 06:48:07 PM
:yeah: Correct and we do. 50" etc. Some areas not open etc. What area in west Wa has open roads/trails for atv use? Beside the orv parks. What about ID, or Co, or Mt, or Oregon, or Cal. or Canada? Yup follow the tree hugginh liberal population for an easy answer. Everything here is gated and or permits. Its a bunch of ----. I am sick of it. I am cursed to remember what it used to be back when Wa had a Rep Gov. on occasion. No coincidence people.
Theres way less land and way more people...idaho is heading the same direction
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 23, 2019, 07:17:03 PM
Just because the FS says something is illegal, does not mean that it is. They have a long history of saying things are illegal, when they in fact do not have ANY law to back it up. Read the CFR's, they will confirm this.
For a FS road in WA St to be legally closed, it must be signed "Closed Road"
A Kelly Hump/Tank trap road is not illegal to use an atv/motorcycle on......it has to be posted closed with a sign.
Most areas of USFS are legal to ride an atv/motorcycle cross country...…..as long as you do not destroy the resources...…...which is nearly impossible to do, but the fact is it is legal.
READ THE CFR's!!!
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2019, 07:18:06 PM
But I do agree no atv’s on closed trails! But in Washington motorcycles can go anywhere! Why not atv’s wtf is the difference?
Post by: Encore 280 on September 23, 2019, 07:37:52 PM
Post by: hunter399 on September 23, 2019, 07:43:44 PM
The problem is most access is given in this state for non motorized hunting.So the way I see it is you have no respect for the property owner that has asked you to follow those rules for access and probably shut down access for everybody in the near future.You say to support freedom ,Well the property owner has the freedom not to allow anyone on there land.Was walking down a tank-trapped road in the 560. I'd seen a lot of sign and getting a couple miles in behind two ponds was a really good prospect. I left a little late in the afternoon and had planned to stay until dark. As I approached my spot, I started to hear motors and then saw two ATVs coming toward me on the road, one, a large green Polaris. As soon as they saw me they turned around and took off in the other direction. Hunt ruined. I looked around and there were tracks and damage to the habitat everywhere because of all the rain we'd had. I knew where they were camped, went to the camp, and took pictures of the plates on their ATVs and trucks, which I gave to the FS.Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
I don't own toys; can't afford 'em. I don't care if people use them legally. But it chaps my a$$ when I hike in a couple of miles on a closed road and here comes a motorized vehicle. It's unethical, illegal, unsportsmanlike, and shows no concern for the environment or the reason that particular habitat is being protected. These guys don't understand the enjoyment of the woods or its value.
Threads like this just piss me off and the truth that it happens more every year.I do own a four wheeler and rarely use it to hunt.Crap like this makes a person want to go around and bust every gate open for the poor man can just drive in and park his truck right beside your four wheeler.But respect for the land owner and the wildlife hold me back.
Post by: Gentrys on September 23, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 08:04:58 PM
Post by: Igor on September 23, 2019, 08:25:41 PM
Christ sake Russia and Canada has more freedoms on the lands then our lemming society. T
Huh ??
Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
I own and enjoy riding quads, but there's a time and place for this activity. Riding on closed roads isn't it. There are plenty of hunt areas with green dot roads for those wanting to road hunt. That's not my thing. I appreciate that there are areas I can hike in and get away from the motor vehicles. I hope that never changes.
I'm more in the know on this than the average Joe six pack (that doesn't mean much, I'm not FS/DNR etc) and I can't always tell what road is closed, or isn't closed, and too what its closed too!
Just because there's a kelly hump (tank trap) and/or gate, doesn't always mean its closed to motorized vehicles and without signage we don't know. Most nat. forest has ATV use maps so anything not on the use map is closed to ATV's, but what about the motorcycles with highway license plates?
They don't belong on the use map so they could go around most any gate or tank trap unless there's a sign that say's otherwise "no motorized vehicles" past this sign.
I know of lots of places that has a locked gate at one end, but the other end you can just drive right on with no gates, tank traps or anything. I've had to drive around gates to get out, not in!
And what about DNR? BLM? is that road really closed? :dunno:
Most other non-ATV folks don't know for sure either (but they think they do!) and the guy that just walked in 7 miles? he's going to 100% assume its closed and either:
1) take your pic and report
2) flip you off
3) slash your tires
4) remove your valve stems
5) remove your tire and toss it in the bushes
maybe all the above, I've seen examples on HW talking about doing these things.
It's all a huge mess and NOCK NOCK is correct, calling the local FS isn't going to get you the legal and correct answer according to law.
Post by: hunter399 on September 23, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Anyway I hear ya madman,we are loseing freedoms on all kinds of topics.But let's not lose the ones we have right now.The gates and $hitty access We have is all we got, it can get worse.Most of the areas I hunt behind gates ,never was a gate when I was a kid .So I hear ya.
Post by: Stein on September 23, 2019, 08:45:11 PM
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
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Post by: bear on September 23, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 08:54:13 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 23, 2019, 09:06:58 PM
Been there
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 23, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
FYI, driving around gates in Idaho is not illegal, they are much more atv friendly there.
Idaho has roads where ATV use is not allowed....and probably has width restrictions
So just cuz you "can" drive around a gate doesn't mean it's legal...know the rules we all play by...its simple
Yep. Have verbal warned a lot of people in for driving on gated roads during the wet seasons. What is nice about here is the National Forests have signs at almost every gated road stating when they are open and closed to different types of motor vehicles. Same with PotlatchDeltic.
Reason Idaho is friendly to ATV/UTV use is a lot of folks work in the woods and respect having pretty dang nice roads to ride on. There are *censored*es here who rut up the roads, but usually that is found closer to the big cities and dealt with by the locals if they are caught.
Post by: Mudman on September 23, 2019, 09:26:29 PM
:chuckle: I know right? What the? Frustrating. Assumptions. Ignorance. Law breakers and abusers. Mess. We struggle to find and recreate legally in legal areas. It is tough to be in the know and correct open areas. Maps GPS etc and it is still not easy. FS people tell ya one thing, locals another and other leos something else. It isn't just hunters in the woods. All year long there is people harassing the animals. :chuckle:Christ sake Russia and Canada has more freedoms on the lands then our lemming society. T
Huh ??
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on September 23, 2019, 10:20:17 PM
Some people have lost their ever loving minds and could care less about other people. Mudman, I'm not sure what to think about your statements. On one hand I agree with you about our rights being taken away on areas that are owned and paid for by the people.
And one thing that causes more rights to be taken away is people disregarding the rules that are in place. The scofflaws make it worse for everybody else. Just like garbage dumpers forced timber companies to gate roads we grew up hunting from.
Post by: X-Force on September 23, 2019, 10:38:06 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 23, 2019, 10:39:59 PM
This property owner has 175 acres in okanogan county and his land is bordered on 3 sides by national forest. 175 acres isn’t enough for him. The national forest in this area is a designated roadless area with no vehicle access. There are a couple of abandoned roads that this property owner blazed trails to and now he has open unlimited access to about 5000 acres.
PM me when it goes up for sale :chuckle:
Post by: X-Force on September 23, 2019, 10:46:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 24, 2019, 06:30:31 AM
Not once did I say I ride around the closures. Read the thread, I don't. I am talking about public lands. Some have migrated to a private lands topic out of the blue it seems. What ya all talking about? If I owned 100 acres is comparable to what USFS lands? But on that topic WEYCO comes to mind and the agreement they made in purchase of said lands and public access as well as tax breaks for said purposes. Once again we are screwed... My ATVS have combined 85 miles on em so I don't think I have been riding around to many gates eh... Read carefully amigos, then comment logically. I can be a lawful citizen but still stand up and yell that I am tired of this crap. I am tired of everything being taken away little by little and the stupid reasons used to justify the thefts. I am tired of ignorant misinformed people supporting it as well. Enough. PC can go out the window. Whine? I call ya Whiner. Like it or don't. Christ sake Russia and Canada has more freedoms on the lands then our lemming society. There is a reason I not hunted Wa for last few years.....Its messed up..
I did read carefully. My complaint was about illegal riding on closed roads and your respectful (sarc) reply was to call me a crybaby. You absolutely, clearly endorsed ignoring the rules in your reply. I specifically stated I have no problem with legal ATV use. Have at it. If I see you on an ATV on closed roads, I'm turning you in, plain and simple. It's the same with bikes in a wilderness area. If you don't like it, then hunt in an area that allows them.
Post by: bornhunter on September 24, 2019, 07:23:42 AM
Post by: beauhunter on September 24, 2019, 07:54:02 AM
some people have disabilities and use their ATVs, respectfullyI think we should be more like Idaho, they get to utilize their quads on most roads, with some walk in only roads. Unlike this state where most are gated with some quad roads. The 113 unit has a ridiculous amount of gated roads, as I get older the more I’ll be limited to my hunting ability, the use of my quad opens up much more possibilities. I’m not supporting illegal use of quads, I’m saying there should be more legal use roads! Question for you guys, if they were using a quad behind the gate at night to get their animal out, ( because of their limited physical ability) would you turn them in? I’d be pissed too if I walked in for miles and they drove by, but at night after hunting is over and they just need to utilize the quad to retrieve game, I’m all for it.
If you cant retrieve your game without your atv then you shouldnt be hunting up a closed road in the first place.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 24, 2019, 07:55:47 AM
...and people with disabilities are also allowed to use ATVs on a lot of closed roads, as they should. :tup:some people have disabilities and use their ATVs, respectfullyI think we should be more like Idaho, they get to utilize their quads on most roads, with some walk in only roads. Unlike this state where most are gated with some quad roads. The 113 unit has a ridiculous amount of gated roads, as I get older the more I’ll be limited to my hunting ability, the use of my quad opens up much more possibilities. I’m not supporting illegal use of quads, I’m saying there should be more legal use roads! Question for you guys, if they were using a quad behind the gate at night to get their animal out, ( because of their limited physical ability) would you turn them in? I’d be pissed too if I walked in for miles and they drove by, but at night after hunting is over and they just need to utilize the quad to retrieve game, I’m all for it.
If you cant retrieve your game without your atv then you shouldnt be hunting up a closed road in the first place.
Post by: Angry Perch on September 24, 2019, 09:25:47 AM
On a more mellow note, in summary, I support freedom of use to OUR public lands. I choose to follow the laws so you wont see me riding wheelies behind closed Wa gates on FS lands. I exercise my right to speak for freedoms both lost and given. I will comment to the guy on atv "Ya know that's not allowed right?" and keep walking. I wont be taking pics and plates or calling it in for poaching points like a slimeball hiding behind the law for my benefit. I wont be whining about it either. Yes it has happened to me several times. Oh well, their choice to do that.
Should there be no restrictions on what we can do on "our" land? Cut trees? Dump trash? Build a cabin? Dam a creek?
Post by: Stein on September 24, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
On the flip side of that coin, hunters and fishermen are some of the worst offenders when it comes to trespassing, garbage, shot up dishwashers, left out targets, brass, beer cans, horrible camp messes left behind and generally behaving like pigs, so a good first step would be to clean up our collective act. A lot of closures of roads and areas are due to consistent problems where the agency doesn't have the money to patrol or clean up after us and closing it is the best option for the land.
Post by: Angry Perch on September 24, 2019, 10:17:18 AM
Legally, it isn't our land, it is land held in a trust for the benefit of the citizens (state or federal, depending on the land). The land managers manage the land based upon guidance. It's also managed for everyone and the future, not just one interest group, and the funding is consistently being cut at the federal and state level. The management priorities and regulations change over time as our society changes, just like hunting regulations. It's not a perfect system, but it is the best system out of any country I have been in or read about.
On the flip side of that coin, hunters and fishermen are some of the worst offenders when it comes to trespassing, garbage, shot up dishwashers, left out targets, brass, beer cans, horrible camp messes left behind and generally behaving like pigs, so a good first step would be to clean up our collective act. A lot of closures of roads and areas are due to consistent problems where the agency doesn't have the money to patrol or clean up after us and closing it is the best option for the land.
Well said. We are our own worst enemy in many respects.
Post by: Mudman on September 24, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
Post by: Stein on September 24, 2019, 04:16:17 PM
I wish it were as simple as red vs blue, but it's a big issue. Both parties have siphoned off Forest Service money for pork projects to repay their donors. Zinke and Trump proposed something like a 21% cut in Forest Service money which certainly doesn't help maintain roads. They also tried to steal LWCF money which fortunately was stopped largely by the left along with public land users.
On the other side of the aisle, we can't cut trees and have to study the study then prepare for the lawsuit, so I'm glad I don't work there because I don't see how they have a path forward. Don't fund the Forest Service and don't allow them to generate revenue = closed roads, lack of enforcement, no new roads or trails and limitations on how everyone can use the land.
When we destroy the land on top of all that, it just makes the process easier.
Post by: Mudman on September 24, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 24, 2019, 05:26:29 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 24, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
This got interesting..
My only :twocents: is that I feel like the odd man out because it seemed like everyone was running side by sides,razors, etc last week in 336/ 340 except me...and most of those guys where enjoying the skinny peddle way to much...
Post by: KFhunter on September 24, 2019, 06:07:43 PM
They they closed it, and for what? The carp make huge nests everywhere and pot hole it all up, what good can come of closing it to having fun? Each summer the river come back up and all the trails would disappear by next spring
the gestapo are systematically shutting down one fun thing after another until all we can do is hook our brains into a computer and live in some city somewhere having virtual fun
Post by: Threethirtyeight on September 24, 2019, 07:33:02 PM
A closed road is a closed road. It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity. You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse. If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.If I closed road is a closed road why would it be ok to walk or bike on it? If it needs to be closed that bad it should be closed to all transportation.
Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum. :chuckle:
I don't see why you think you have more of a right to use a public road then the next guy just because he chooses to travel the same ground different than you.
You are only interested in letting special interest groups use the roads? You must own a horse. I'm tired of everyone wanting to close public areas to activitys other than what they are interested in or have whether it be youth and fitness or a bike or horse that they don't have to pay any license or fees to use on public roads or public properties like ATV and vehicle owners do.
Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.
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Post by: trophyhunt on September 24, 2019, 07:51:30 PM
We used to have some nice mud bogs on the lake Roosevelt when the water was drawn down each spring, hella good times! I use to ride my dirt bike out there and mudded an old Ford with a 351 Cleveland block built up a bit.100% agree with this and most of what madman is trying to get across, we are losing access more and more. The elk do just fine in Idaho (pre wolf) with gated roads that allowed quads for many years. We will always have places to roam that quads can’t go to, but places where quads can go are dwindling in this commie state.
They they closed it, and for what? The carp make huge nests everywhere and pot hole it all up, what good can come of closing it to having fun? Each summer the river come back up and all the trails would disappear by next spring
the gestapo are systematically shutting down one fun thing after another until all we can do is hook our brains into a computer and live in some city somewhere having virtual fun
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 24, 2019, 07:59:36 PM
A closed road is a closed road. It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity. You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse. If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.If I closed road is a closed road why would it be ok to walk or bike on it? If it needs to be closed that bad it should be closed to all transportation.
Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum. :chuckle:
I don't see why you think you have more of a right to use a public road then the next guy just because he chooses to travel the same ground different than you.
You are only interested in letting special interest groups use the roads? You must own a horse. I'm tired of everyone wanting to close public areas to activitys other than what they are interested in or have whether it be youth and fitness or a bike or horse that they don't have to pay any license or fees to use on public roads or public properties like ATV and vehicle owners do.
Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.
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1. I like the last sentence
2. I saw more elk while driving to and from hike in hunting spots than I did while actually hiking.
3. ALL ungulates use the road system ALOT. Several well known valleys have roads that completely cross the valley....EVERY migrating buck has to at some point cross these roads.
Post by: Mudman on September 24, 2019, 09:23:50 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 24, 2019, 09:30:29 PM
I just gotta say it
I’d be happy if I could just ride my street legal licensed quad on the dang forest roads
Never mind a closed road
Post by: Bango skank on September 24, 2019, 09:44:06 PM
A closed road is a closed road. It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity. You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse. If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.
Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum. :chuckle:
Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.
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Heres an idea, if you dont want to get ticketed dont drive on roads posted CLOSED TO MOTORIZED VEHICLES there is the whole rest of the road system you can use.
Post by: Mudman on September 24, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
Post by: jmscon on September 24, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
WA has over five times more people, per square mile, as ID.
There are roads open that even a Subaru can’t go up because of the lack of maintenance. Why, no funding. The government has pulled funding and the fires get worse and worse eating up the money that the FS does have.
Why block roads? It’s cheaper than decommissioning. Also motorcycles and atvs are less likely to bring in washers and dryers or refrigerators.
Want roads labeled better? Contact the FS and tell them you’ll put up the signs. Maybe organize a MH volunteering opportunity put signs up. They’d have to be replaced every year because they would be the bullseye for some jass wipes target practice.
I feel your pain piano man, I’ve turned around and went back to the truck without even hunting because of people going around a gates or driving closed roads.
Post by: Threethirtyeight on September 24, 2019, 10:30:51 PM
Thank you for proving my point it's part of the public ROAD SYSTEM. Not a special interest only trail.A closed road is a closed road. It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity. You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse. If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.
Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum. :chuckle:
Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.
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Heres an idea, if you dont want to get ticketed dont drive on roads posted CLOSED TO MOTORIZED VEHICLES there is the whole rest of the road system you can use.
Here's another idea why don't you go hike on a trail designated for walking in one of our lovely parks or go to one of those really nice paved bike paths to ride your bike or maybe just ride your horse in an approved arena. And i know I can ride my sxs in an ATV park. Then none of us will disturb the vegetation or animals on the public land.
Sure you might get me locked out of the the roads on my ATV or truck but you can bet that I will then also like to get you locked out of those same roads on your horse because they spread weeds from the hay you feed them and all the erosion those skinny tires on the bikes cause.
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Post by: hunter399 on September 25, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
WHy are some roads and areas open and closed? Some access is ok but some isn't? We should use their arguments and close all roads. Walk in only. No exceptions. No atv, no horse, no minivans or corvettes. Problem solved across all user groups. Do you think the Libs and such will support that? NO? Why not? Do the main rds not damage vegetation or bother animals or allow for illegal trash dumps? Does an atv leave less carbon footprint than a Truck? Is it smaller or less intrusive? :dunno: WHy are snowmachines allowed when atv isnt? Damage to plants and erosion right? Arent snowmobiles louder? Hmm, I thought noise disturbed animals? Hmm. Can I ride atv in snow then? Hmm, no, why not? Is atv on roads less harmful then 7000lb truck? Hmm really. Ok, I get it. Must be sumthing else. I support access for all and by any reasonable means.Access for all you say .
So just open all gates .
Not a bad idea , But some how I might think atv users might not be so happy ,along with the great quality hunting that we have now .It might even make hunting Better for Washington to kill off the few remaining animal. :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2019, 04:17:24 AM
Sh*t:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: Again, that’s politics, ok in Idaho dicks about it here in lib town.
I just gotta say it
I’d be happy if I could just ride my street legal licensed quad on the dang forest roads
Never mind a closed road
Post by: MADMAX on September 25, 2019, 05:15:29 AM
I hear that, if I could convince the wife, we'd be selling out and heading to the Bitterroot valley
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2019, 05:27:21 AM
:yeah:my wife and I can’t wait to move out, unless the politics change but that will not happen.
I hear that, if I could convince the wife, we'd be selling out and heading to the Bitterroot valley
Post by: coachcw on September 25, 2019, 06:28:28 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2019, 06:37:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 25, 2019, 07:42:11 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2019, 07:51:22 AM
Post by: ballpark on September 25, 2019, 10:55:15 AM
Your argument makes mine. Vicki runs both states eh? Then why are we locked down and Id isn't? Politics...……… Ya defund em, ya bet ya. That's our solution. The pocketbook. Not this garbage "oh we lose roads and stuff" NO we lose Buearecrats and red tape. We lose signs warning us of "Deer crossing:" or some other waste of $. Trump knows this. $ yanked = people access and use due to less enforcement. Les FS off getting deputized by sheriff to harass people with silly Tickets instead of stopping poaching turned into Jerky. I disagree with you 100%. BEst thing they could do is get out of the way. Let roads go to crap, allow jeeps or atvs to access with the horses. RESPOND when we call em to report a poacher. Good roads only allow subarus and Lexus to go to the mnt and view elk from 1000yards at the approved viewpoints.Idaho has an extensive MVU restriction from October - March. We all plan and choose where to hunt based on road access or lack of access. Until roads are reopened, don’t screw up someone’s hunt that is following a states MVU restrictions. Go hunt somewhere else. And yes I’m one that has been miles behind closed road access only to have atv’s screw my hunt. I am an Atv owner also :tup:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 25, 2019, 11:06:15 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 25, 2019, 12:23:06 PM
I left my partner on a mountain last week because he was hunting a steep side (like 80 degrees) that fell about 600' into a meadow which had a road leading in but the road prohibited any motor vehicles. His plan was to use the road to drive into the meadow if we shot an animal which ran downhill, which they always do. There would've been no way to bring it back up the hillside without a winch. I left. Hunters who are younger and healthier than I who had walked down that two miles of road to hunt this incredible meadow would have been ticked off to see someone drive down it and I would've been, too. Until there's a rule saying that it's OK to take in a vehicle to retrieve and animal on a closed road, I'm not doing it. It's not right. It's not ethical. And it's not legal. Call me a crybaby or a Boy Scout (I guess it's just Scout now), but there you go.
instead of an atv, use an ebike and a cart to get that game out :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 25, 2019, 12:25:24 PM
I left my partner on a mountain last week because he was hunting a steep side (like 80 degrees) that fell about 600' into a meadow which had a road leading in but the road prohibited any motor vehicles. His plan was to use the road to drive into the meadow if we shot an animal which ran downhill, which they always do. There would've been no way to bring it back up the hillside without a winch. I left. Hunters who are younger and healthier than I who had walked down that two miles of road to hunt this incredible meadow would have been ticked off to see someone drive down it and I would've been, too. Until there's a rule saying that it's OK to take in a vehicle to retrieve and animal on a closed road, I'm not doing it. It's not right. It's not ethical. And it's not legal. Call me a crybaby or a Boy Scout (I guess it's just Scout now), but there you go.
instead of an atv, use an ebike and a cart to get that game out :tup:
...or hunt where you know you can get your game out legally. Good suggestion, KF. :tup:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 25, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Post by: Apples on September 25, 2019, 06:15:27 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 25, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
Post by: sagerat on September 25, 2019, 06:47:15 PM
I think it boils down to if the lands were managed better and in the peoples interest there would be less animosity and more cooperation and respect. Its just silly now. I see things weird maybe, for example, some write plates down and call in offenses. Why? Its against the rules. Or is it because they hiked in and someone else rode. Thus its unfair and they are mad. But they will say they are good law abiding citizen and just doing right thing. IF the gate wasn't there or if it was legal to go around gate on atv like other places what would the reason be? Find another hunt area? Still mad Bro? So the real question is WHY is the gate there? WHy is it closed or open? WHy can some ignore it legally and the rest of us get a ticket? Why do people turn in others for pts?? I think its because they are selfish righteous adults hiding behind the "against the rules" argument. Stop and tell the offender your opinion, Man up. That's what I do. I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess. Like I said I aint normal in this new world of tattletales and whiners. I believe the new way is the wrong way and the old ways are almost always better...
:yeah: nicely stated
Post by: Encore 280 on September 25, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 25, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
Post by: nootkathorn on September 25, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess.
I spent 20 years just passing out warnings to trespassers, but now with the internet and a mobile device, there is no excuse. Plus, the flipant attitude of People that just measure their behavior based on the likelihood of getting caught has become chronic and corosive.
Many like to walk property lines to take advantage of the habitat and game their neighbors are producing and that is fine, but just like you will shoot the bull as soon as it walks across the line, I will make sure the warden writes you that ticket if you cross in the other direction now. You know what you are doing...This "chill out man" mindset really is not sustainable because our system only works well when people chose to follow the rules even when they know they could get away with it.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 25, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.
and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road????? JS
Post by: KFhunter on September 25, 2019, 09:06:36 PM
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.
and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road????? JS
spring turkey + diesel trucks = rutted roads
never have I ever seen an ATV mess up a road like a truck does, huge ruts that an ATV is incapable of doing, just not enough ground pressure or power
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 25, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on September 25, 2019, 10:21:03 PM
I think it boils down to if the lands were managed better and in the peoples interest there would be less animosity and more cooperation and respect. Its just silly now. I see things weird maybe, for example, some write plates down and call in offenses. Why? Its against the rules. Or is it because they hiked in and someone else rode. Thus its unfair and they are mad. But they will say they are good law abiding citizen and just doing right thing. IF the gate wasn't there or if it was legal to go around gate on atv like other places what would the reason be? Find another hunt area? Still mad Bro? So the real question is WHY is the gate there? WHy is it closed or open? WHy can some ignore it legally and the rest of us get a ticket? Why do people turn in others for pts?? I think its because they are selfish righteous adults hiding behind the "against the rules" argument. Stop and tell the offender your opinion, Man up. That's what I do. I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess. Like I said I aint normal in this new world of tattletales and whiners. I believe the new way is the wrong way and the old ways are almost always better... Allow the public to access and use the lands, or don't, but no more special interest political garbage. No more outdoorsman turning against outdoorsman just to support their specific interests while discounting others. It is selfish, immoral and just stupid. imop. I support ya all however you choose to spend time in outdoors.
I choose to spend my time behind closed gates without ATVs. Do you support that? Don't get mad bro! :tung:
Post by: Mudman on September 25, 2019, 10:27:17 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 25, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 26, 2019, 04:54:40 AM
How many gates were closed in 1980? How many are up and closed now? How many folks were tooting along on Hondas and jeeps in 1975? Your Dad or Gramps maybe? Now what do ya think your children will be doing in 30 years? Yup. NOTHING, and whos fault is that?that’s a great point!!
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 26, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
How many gates were closed in 1980? How many are up and closed now? How many folks were tooting along on Hondas and jeeps in 1975? Your Dad or Gramps maybe? Now what do ya think your children will be doing in 30 years? Yup. NOTHING, and whos fault is that?
He’s right you know.
1 road at a time, eventually the greenies/anti’s will get them all closed.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 26, 2019, 08:16:46 AM
:yeah:How many gates were closed in 1980? How many are up and closed now? How many folks were tooting along on Hondas and jeeps in 1975? Your Dad or Gramps maybe? Now what do ya think your children will be doing in 30 years? Yup. NOTHING, and whos fault is that?
He’s right you know.
1 road at a time, eventually the greenies/anti’s will get them all closed.
Post by: Tribal Elder on September 26, 2019, 12:02:10 PM
Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
That's *censored*. Get off your ass and walk, like everybody else. Obey the rules or be prepared to be turned in my people like me, who obey the laws. I see you riding on closed roads, I'll stop you cold.
Post by: Encore 280 on September 26, 2019, 12:17:17 PM
Post by: buckfvr on September 26, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 26, 2019, 12:52:02 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on September 26, 2019, 01:13:51 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on September 26, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 26, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Just because we have to see the garbage along I-5 doesn't mean we have to see it in the woods, plain a$$ lazy is what it is. Trouble with opening gates and letting atvs, utvs and motorcycles in is it wouldn't be 2 days before one of them would be making trails off the roads, guaranteed and you can't argue that. They can't stand staying on the designated roads and obeying the signs. Not saying you're one of those but you can thank them. Sorry, I don't feel sorry for you guys or myself. I own one also. Life goes on, deal with it.
Re read reply #98........I have tons of pictures to prove it
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2019, 01:44:45 PM
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.
and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road????? JS
Trucks, jeeps, and motorcycles aren't allowed to go off road where ATVs aren't allowed, either. Mnt bikes aren't allowed in wilderness areas. Horses and hikers are allowed everywhere. Are you justifying illegal ATV off-roading because other people break the law, too? Or are you justifying it where hikers can go and ATVs can't? You response makes no sense. You're either following the law or you aren't. It's really quite clear. :dunno:
Post by: BA Mongor on September 26, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
They just want it their way.
Post by: bhawley76 on September 26, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Post by: sagerat on September 26, 2019, 02:32:37 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
Post by: cavemann on September 26, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
Day two, my son and i hit the woods early and came down a hillside the trail cut right across. He ended up spotting a nice 4x4 bedded down about 30 yards below the trail, we were about 40 yards above. Made the shot and we packed him out. Motorcycles passed us on the trail on the pack out. Went 3 for 4 on the hunt, a couple other drop camps from same outfit had similar experience with the motorcycles and still had two really nice bucks hanging when we went out...
Point being, it's not cut and dry that guys on roads ruin a hunt. I don't own an ATV, no dog it in the fight. But animals adjust to roads and traffic on them pretty fast, and it is not always relocating to another county.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
For what its worth, we went in on drop camp and our camp is right of trail just before wilderness boundary. 4 dirt bikes went by that night and we all kind of looked at each other and scowled. Well, we were dropped in and that was our reality. Next morning 3 more went by, none were hunting. Just riding trails and it was a large loop. Same guys went by 4 or 5 times echoing through the whole valley. And this was 15 miles back in...
Day two, my son and i hit the woods early and came down a hillside the trail cut right across. He ended up spotting a nice 4x4 bedded down about 30 yards below the trail, we were about 40 yards above. Made the shot and we packed him out. Motorcycles passed us on the trail on the pack out. Went 3 for 4 on the hunt, a couple other drop camps from same outfit had similar experience with the motorcycles and still had two really nice bucks hanging when we went out...
Point being, it's not cut and dry that guys on roads ruin a hunt. I don't own an ATV, no dog it in the fight. But animals adjust to roads and traffic on them pretty fast, and it is not always relocating to another county.
Congratulations on your success. I'm glad it worked out that way.
Post by: hunter399 on September 26, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
I was walking a property line public on one side private on the other.More or less scouting because I have permission to hunt the private side but figured I would walk the ten year clear cut property line to get a idea of the lines etc.showed up at first light .Now the timber co. Land is gated with atv/truck trail that goes around gate.So I'm walk in the line maybe half mile down it ,i hear a elk bugle and I'm thinking that's a person or elk .so I keep walking ,then there's a jeep Cherokee with a guy glassing the canyon.Was unable to get a licence plate number before they seen me and took off.
Was my hunt ruined
No,i was just scouting with a bear tag in my pocket.
Was there a elk season open ,No
So even if they where just scouting for elk,they did so with driving behind closed gate.
Post by: Threethirtyeight on September 26, 2019, 05:42:06 PM
Years ago Pope Resources had most all of their roads open. Then a guy went in on a motorcycle and was critically injured and he sued Pope Resources. What happened? Gated roads, no motorized vehicles allowed. That's the story I heard anyway.So if a guy gets hurt walking and is critically injured no more walking behind gates either with that logic.....
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Post by: Threethirtyeight on September 26, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
That's *censored*. Get off your ass and walk, like everybody else. Obey the rules or be prepared to be turned in my people like me, who obey the laws. I see you riding on closed roads, I'll stop you cold.
I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want or historically have before people like you had that use criminalised. Im Perry sure whatever stopping someone cold means sounds illegal but is ok with you since it's what you want to do even though you contradict yourself. Its public land that should be open to all individuals regardless of their physical condition or preferred style of hunting.
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Post by: Mudman on September 26, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
Post by: hunter399 on September 26, 2019, 06:45:40 PM
I may not stop u cold,but I'm taking pictures of ya and reporting ya.If given the chance ,im done with it.been going on too long now.I have to believe at least 8/10 atv user has to know where there at and if there supposed to go around a closed gate ,if not, there just plain stupid.Every gated area I'm useing lately it's clearly posted at the gate .Crybaby. As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!! I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands. Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap. IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about. Habitat destruction going around the gate? Really? Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged? Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either. It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken. I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura. That is my point. Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.
That's *censored*. Get off your ass and walk, like everybody else. Obey the rules or be prepared to be turned in my people like me, who obey the laws. I see you riding on closed roads, I'll stop you cold.
I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want or historically have before people like you had that use criminalised. Im Perry sure whatever stopping someone cold means sounds illegal but is ok with you since it's what you want to do even though you contradict yourself. Its public land that should be open to all individuals regardless of their physical condition or preferred style of hunting.
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Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2019, 06:56:33 PM
I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want
Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit. Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with.
I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike :chuckle: (as if)
having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands. I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed. Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on. Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.
So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.
As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind. If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different, game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus. Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out, works great, then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon, then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes. They adapt.
Post by: Threethirtyeight on September 26, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
I agree well said
I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want
Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit. Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with.
I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike :chuckle: (as if)
having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands. I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed. Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on. Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.
So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.
As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind. If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different, game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus. Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out, works great, then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon, then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes. They adapt.
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Post by: flyfishWA on September 26, 2019, 07:44:24 PM
That is so false. in the area I hunt in western WA if a person rides by on the gated road I usually hunt on and a deer or elk is within 300 yards in the more open clearcuts they run and people have been riding this road for as long as its been there. (20+ years) I have been told to many times that atv's don't scare deer and elk but i know it is a lie because I have seen it to many times.
I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want
Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit. Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with.
I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike :chuckle: (as if)
having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands. I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed. Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on. Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.
So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.
As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind. If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different, game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus. Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out, works great, then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon, then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes. They adapt.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on September 26, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.
and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road????? JS
Trucks, jeeps, and motorcycles aren't allowed to go off road where ATVs aren't allowed, either. Mnt bikes aren't allowed in wilderness areas. Horses and hikers are allowed everywhere. Are you justifying illegal ATV off-roading because other people break the law, too? Or are you justifying it where hikers can go and ATVs can't? You response makes no sense. You're either following the law or you aren't. It's really quite clear. :dunno:
Why does it make no sense?
Im just saying that its not just atvs that go offroad. I am a HUGE proponent of ATV use....LEGALLY, and have studied the laws carefully.
ALL users damage the resources.
I am sick and tired of folks always blaming the ATV user group, Full size vehicles do way more damage than atvs.
Remember this guy? :bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2019, 07:05:26 AM
1. I support all legal off-road recreation.
2. I do not support illegal off-road recreation. Your photo depicts (I assume) illegal off-road recreation by a Jeep. The vehicle doesn't matter, whether it's an ATV, Jeep, my new 2019 Tacoma (which is an awesome off-road version), dirt bike, helicopter, or tank.
And when I say off-road, that includes closed roads and closed areas.