ATV use on Closed Roads

[pianoman9701]

For what its worth, we went in on drop camp and our camp is right of trail just before wilderness boundary.  4 dirt bikes went by that night and we all kind of looked at each other and scowled.  Well, we were dropped in and that was our reality.  Next morning 3 more went by, none were hunting.  Just riding trails and it was a large loop.  Same guys went by 4 or 5 times echoing through the whole valley.  And this was 15 miles back in...

Day two, my son and i hit the woods early and came down a hillside the trail cut right across.  He ended up spotting a nice 4x4 bedded down about 30 yards below the trail, we were about 40 yards above.  Made the shot and we packed him out.  Motorcycles passed us on the trail on the pack out.  Went 3 for 4 on the hunt, a couple other drop camps from same outfit had similar experience with the motorcycles and still had two really nice bucks hanging when we went out...

Point being, it's not cut and dry that guys on roads ruin a hunt.  I don't own an ATV, no dog it in the fight.  But animals adjust to roads and traffic on them pretty fast, and it is not always relocating to another county.

Congratulations on your success. I'm glad it worked out that way.

[hunter399]

Here's my story for the day.
I was walking a property line public on one side private on the other.More or less scouting because I have permission to hunt the private side but figured I would walk the ten year clear cut property line to get a idea of the lines etc.showed up at first light .Now the timber co. Land is gated with atv/truck trail that goes around gate.So I'm walk in the line maybe half mile down it ,i hear a elk bugle and I'm thinking that's a person or elk .so I keep walking ,then there's a jeep Cherokee with a guy glassing the canyon.Was unable to get a licence plate number before they seen me and took off.
Was my hunt ruined
No,i was just scouting with a bear tag in my pocket.
Was there a elk season open ,No
So even if they where just scouting for elk,they did so with driving behind closed gate.

[Threethirtyeight]

Years ago Pope Resources had most all of their roads open. Then a guy went in on a motorcycle and was critically injured and he sued Pope Resources. What happened? Gated roads, no motorized vehicles allowed. That's the story I heard anyway.

So if a guy gets hurt walking and is critically  injured no more walking behind gates either with that logic.....

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[Threethirtyeight]

Crybaby.  As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!!  I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands.  Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap.  IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about.  Habitat destruction going around the gate?  Really?  Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged?  Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either.  It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken.  I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura.  That is my point.  Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.

That's *censored*. Get off your ass and walk, like everybody else. Obey the rules or be prepared to be turned in my people like me, who obey the laws. I see you riding on closed roads, I'll stop you cold.

I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want or historically have before people like you had that use criminalised. Im Perry sure whatever stopping someone cold means sounds illegal but is ok with you since it's what you want to do even though you contradict yourself. Its public land that should be open to all individuals regardless of their physical condition or preferred style of hunting.



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[Mudman]

Ya see, both arguments are correct.   Wilderness is closed for reason and we all agree.  Garbage is problem and we all agree.  Etc.  Hunts are not ruined by use.  Pianoman you choose to give up cause you were irritated, your choice.  I think it was a wrong one but that's me.  It wasn't ruined.   Elk don't leave area cause an atv is buzzing by.   They might because people were hunting them and that's what made ya mad.  You walkedin, followed rules and they didn't.  Both exercising hunting rights.  You report it.  Ask yourself why is gate there in first place?   Ask yourself how you will feel when they move that gate to I-5?   Will ya still walk in?   Ask how much it will cost for permit in few years to have the right to walk in?   Ask yourself this, Am I gonna support my fellow citizens using public lands or am I gonna support the Liberals in front of computers in office buildings writing these stupid regs for campaign contributions from special interest groups and lobbyists?  There is a BIG diference between blatant abusive trash throwing wilderness infringing trespassing parks thiefs and tweakers and poachers and people driving around a gate to hunt or see the country and play or shoot or pick berries or whatever.    BY the way stopping you cold sounds little violent and I would advise be careful who you decide to stop cold... Im done, said my peace now I will smoke it 

[hunter399]

Crybaby.  As far as Im concerned it should be "OPEN"!!!  I don't support restrictions to public use on public lands.  Flame me I don't care, Im tired of this crap.  IF we still had freedoms and the gate didn't exist what would ya whine about.  Habitat destruction going around the gate?  Really?  Give me a break now your worried about dandelions damaged?  Don't hide behing the :legal" claim either.  It should and was legal at one time in past before freedoms were taken.  I spent childhood running around mnts and no old guy whined I was illegal behnd closed gate damaging floura.  That is my point.  Buy a darn quad and ride behind gates, support freedoms or quit whining.

That's *censored*. Get off your ass and walk, like everybody else. Obey the rules or be prepared to be turned in my people like me, who obey the laws. I see you riding on closed roads, I'll stop you cold.

I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want or historically have before people like you had that use criminalised. Im Perry sure whatever stopping someone cold means sounds illegal but is ok with you since it's what you want to do even though you contradict yourself. Its public land that should be open to all individuals regardless of their physical condition or preferred style of hunting.



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I may not stop u cold,but I'm taking pictures of ya and reporting ya.If given the chance ,im done with it.been going on too long now.I have to believe at least 8/10 atv user has to know where there at and if there supposed to go around a closed gate ,if not, there just plain stupid.Every gated area I'm useing lately it's clearly posted at the gate .

[KFhunter]

I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want

Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit.   Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with. 

I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike     (as if)

having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands.    I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed.  Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
 
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on.  Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.


So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.   




As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind.  If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different,  game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus.   Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out,  works great,  then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon,  then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes.  They adapt.

[Threethirtyeight]

I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want

Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit.   Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with. 

I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike     (as if)

having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands.    I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed.  Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
 
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on.  Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.


So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.   




As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind.  If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different,  game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus.   Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out,  works great,  then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon,  then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes.  They adapt.

I agree well said

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[flyfishWA]

I don't understand why you think have more of a right or privilege to use a road in a way that you like but want to threaten others for wanting to use a road in a way that they want

Those old roads have been there for a long long time, reaching back well into the 1800's and used by people for those hundreds of years as they seen fit.   Gating them off and letting them go to pot is a fairly recent phenomenon going back to the 90's and gaining steam in the 2000's due to vapid environmentalism; it has to do with an agenda that I can't agree with. 

I think its folly to close off roads and let them wash out to never be repaired and grow over so no one can hardly even walk on it let alone bicycle down it with an ebike     (as if)

having roads blocked off makes it hard for people to enjoy the woods without being corralled in smaller and smaller areas of multiple use public lands.    I can't tell you how many roads I've attempted to scout and walk down, only to find that its actually easier to just walk through the woods where there is no road, they're that bad. They got that brush that grows sideways across the old road bed.  Everyone is thinking of their specific areas of gated roads, and sure as you go further west many of those roads are still usable.
 
In the NE of Washington once they're gated its not long that they aren't good for anyone on anything due to brush and eventually, too difficult to even walk on.  Sometimes frequent use of an ATV/s keeps the brush at bay just enough that horses and foot traffic can still enjoy it, if it weren't for the ATV's frequent use...no one would be on it.


So ya, I don't endorse breaking the rules and riding behind gates clearly posted no motorized vehicle use, but I'm irked at the policy to block them in the 1st place.   




As for ATV's spooking game, frequent ATV's have no effect on game, they hide 50-100 yards off the road and listen to them go by then pay no mind.  If an ATV goes behind a gate where no one has been riding them before thats different,  game just get used to whatever and over time assign less and less threat to new stimulus.   Stick a propane cannon in a hay field to keep the deer out,  works great,  then a few weeks later theres an old doe out there ignoring the cannon,  then eventually everyone's out there grazing totally oblivious to the cannon going off every 15 minutes.  They adapt.

That is so false. in the area I hunt in western WA if a person rides by on the gated road I usually hunt on and a deer or elk is within 300 yards in the more open clearcuts they run and people have been riding this road for as long as its been there. (20+ years) I have been told to many times that atv's don't scare deer and elk but i know it is a lie because I have seen it to many times.

[NOCK NOCK]

Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.

and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road??  JS

Trucks, jeeps, and motorcycles aren't allowed to go off road where ATVs aren't allowed, either. Mnt bikes aren't allowed in wilderness areas. Horses and hikers are allowed everywhere. Are you justifying illegal ATV off-roading because other people break the law, too? Or are you justifying it where hikers can go and ATVs can't? You response makes no sense. You're either following the law or you aren't. It's really quite clear. 

Why does it make no sense?
Im just saying that its not just atvs that go offroad. I am a HUGE proponent of ATV use....LEGALLY, and have studied the laws carefully.
ALL users damage the resources.
I am sick and tired of folks always blaming the ATV user group, Full size vehicles do way more damage than atvs.
Remember this guy? 

[pianoman9701]

I'm not sure how much more clear I can be, Nock Nock.

1. I support all legal off-road recreation.

2. I do not support illegal off-road recreation. Your photo depicts (I assume) illegal off-road recreation by a Jeep. The vehicle doesn't matter, whether it's an ATV, Jeep, my new 2019 Tacoma (which is an awesome off-road version), dirt bike, helicopter, or tank.

And when I say off-road, that includes closed roads and closed areas.