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Can't remember the name, but there is a new battery motocross bike coming out of Europe that also makes ridiculous hp compared to a modern 450. Like, unrideable amounts of power accept in a strait line.
Post by: LDennis24 on November 08, 2022, 07:14:09 AM
Saw an ad for one the other day. That 800hp really stood out to me.
Can't remember the name, but there is a new battery motocross bike coming out of Europe that also makes ridiculous hp compared to a modern 450. Like, unrideable amounts of power accept in a strait line.
Oh boy! Hill climbs would be nothing with an electric bike! You wouldn't need to choose a gear! Just go!
Post by: lee on November 08, 2022, 07:45:44 AM
MSRP: From $67,500
Make: Rivian
Range: 260 to 314 mi battery-only
Battery: 135 kWh lithium-ion
Battery charge time: 13h at 220V,.......................... 13 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No thanks!!!!
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Post by: Sandberm on November 08, 2022, 09:22:19 AM
In the garage? If you are like me you periodically have projects that take up floor space in the garage for a week or more and so you park your vehicle outside.
An outside charging station? So I have to park my car in the same spot every night where it will get snowed on instead of inside?
Will these at home charging stations have a 100 foot extension cord? I assume the cord is pretty short?
Post by: kselkhunter on November 08, 2022, 09:24:00 AM
Here is the real world charging time on a DC fast charger (which is what most people would use on a road trip). 42 minutes to charge from 10% to 80% charge. 20 minutes to get to first 140 miles added. It's not a linear charging rate.
https://insideevs.com/news/586886/how-long-to-charge-rivian-r1t/
With the next gen DC fast charging stations coming out, the charge times will go down from these numbers as more of the new faster charging stations get deployed.
With a Rivian wall charger at home, it charges at 25 miles per hour replenishment rate.
Rivian is currently the best option for electric truck or SUV. But competitors are coming with new models, so will see how the market shakes out.
Post by: salmosalar on November 08, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
One thing I thought of is if you need a special charging plugin...some setup that will be used for your EV...where do you put it assuming you have to charge your EV every night?
In the garage? If you are like me you periodically have projects that take up floor space in the garage for a week or more and so you park your vehicle outside.
An outside charging station? So I have to park my car in the same spot every night where it will get snowed on instead of inside?
Will these at home charging stations have a 100 foot extension cord? I assume the cord is pretty short?
I installed the outlet for my wife's plug in. It's outside. I could easily put a similar plug in inside as well. It is not hard. Maybe the Rivian system is different than the Audi, but it was pretty darned easy.
Electric motors are far superior to gas. They are simpler and quicker. The battery storage has been the issue. Liquid fuels are just easy storage and we put up with an inferior motor and with a global economy for petro. It would be great to have a local market for electricity drive the cost of energy in my opinion. We may end up doing it with hydrogen in the end. It may end up being a superior way to store energy. It's all about storage.
Post by: CP on November 08, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
One thing I thought of is if you need a special charging plugin...some setup that will be used for your EV...where do you put it assuming you have to charge your EV every night?
In the garage? If you are like me you periodically have projects that take up floor space in the garage for a week or more and so you park your vehicle outside.
An outside charging station? So I have to park my car in the same spot every night where it will get snowed on instead of inside?
Will these at home charging stations have a 100 foot extension cord? I assume the cord is pretty short?
My neighbor has a level 2 charger on the side of his house next to the garage door. The cord is about 20 feet so he can park outside the garage and charge, or pull into the garage and charge. Pretty simple and easy setup.
Post by: GWP on November 08, 2022, 09:46:09 AM
I like electric motors, but as has been beat to death on this site, the power supply part still is ‘in work’.
Post by: kselkhunter on November 08, 2022, 09:54:43 AM
I would not say “far superior”. A different type, with different parameters. Steam has high power as well.
I like electric motors, but as has been beat to death on this site, the power supply part still is ‘in work’.
Lifetime on an electric motor in a vehicle is over 1 million miles. Yes it is far superior to a gas engine by design. Less moving parts.
It's the batteries that are the challenge in electric cars.
Post by: Sandberm on November 08, 2022, 09:59:51 AM
Wife and i were talking the other night that perhaps it makes sense to own an EV, but also a gas powered car too. The EV being the every day driver, and a gas rig for backup, towing, going on trips, mountains, etc.
This mandating stuff (EV's and Vax)has gotten out of hand. Variety is the spice of life.
You guys see that they are mandating every new house starting in July will have to be heated and cooled with a heatpump? Gas is only to be used as backup?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/washington/washington-building-code-council-mandates-heat-pumps-in-all-new-homes/article_da78a11a-5ef8-11ed-9293-2386c56f6fbf.html (https://www.thecentersquare.com/washington/washington-building-code-council-mandates-heat-pumps-in-all-new-homes/article_da78a11a-5ef8-11ed-9293-2386c56f6fbf.html)
Post by: b23 on November 08, 2022, 10:11:26 AM
Post by: CP on November 08, 2022, 10:27:49 AM
Thanks for the replies Salmosalar and CP. In my small world I do not know anyone who has an EV
Wife and i were talking the other night that perhaps it makes sense to own an EV, but also a gas powered car too. The EV being the every day driver, and a gas rig for backup, towing, going on trips, mountains, etc.
This mandating stuff (EV's and Vax)has gotten out of hand. Variety is the spice of life.
You guys see that they are mandating every new house starting in July will have to be heated and cooled with a heatpump? Gas is only to be used as backup?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/washington/washington-building-code-council-mandates-heat-pumps-in-all-new-homes/article_da78a11a-5ef8-11ed-9293-2386c56f6fbf.html (https://www.thecentersquare.com/washington/washington-building-code-council-mandates-heat-pumps-in-all-new-homes/article_da78a11a-5ef8-11ed-9293-2386c56f6fbf.html)
Heat pumps and EVs are tools. It’s a shame that they have been turned into political pawns. Everyone should be able to pick the best tool for their particular job.
Post by: chukar hunter on November 08, 2022, 10:29:58 AM
My wife's R1S set to be delivered in December after a 3 year wait. Not the end all solution for every need of a vehicle but following the 80/20 rule, will be just fine.
Post by: GWP on November 08, 2022, 10:30:40 AM
I would not say “far superior”. A different type, with different parameters. Steam has high power as well.
I like electric motors, but as has been beat to death on this site, the power supply part still is ‘in work’.
Lifetime on an electric motor in a vehicle is over 1 million miles. Yes it is far superior to a gas engine by design. Less moving parts.
It's the batteries that are the challenge in electric cars.
I would not say “far superior”. A different type, with different parameters. Steam has high power as well.
I like electric motors, but as has been beat to death on this site, the power supply part still is ‘in work’.
“I can do this all day.”
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 08, 2022, 07:34:32 PM
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Post by: WAcoueshunter on November 08, 2022, 09:45:55 PM
I've seen two rigs running around Vancouver. Looks interesting, but like a Kardashian, not to practical for the long haul. Support technology will not be there in our life time :twocents:
Support technology is there now if you want to drive back to your house every night. For the Hunt-Wa community who wants to drive across three states and then sleep in the woods, I think you're right, gonna be some time before that's possible with EVs. The Rivians are cool, but I can't have two trucks - one daily driver and one hunting rig that I can fill up on the fly in Missoula.
I think the holy grail for these trucks would be rooftop solar and/or wind (turbine on the roof?) that is efficient enough to just continually charge. Certainly not there yet.
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Post by: Hillbilly Zen on November 09, 2022, 07:27:51 AM
My opinion is that energy storage will evolve faster than charging technology. You can only ram so many electrons down a cable per second so the charging rate has some bounds. Storage doesn't have nearly the same limitations. Either more storage or some form of swappable.
That right there is the future: swappable power supply. Pull into a “gas” station, attendant slides your low batteries out and puts fresh ones in for a fee. Back on the road with a full charge. But at home or restaurant, grocery store, anywhere stationary and you plug in. Like paying extra for
A propane tank swap vs having it filled. Really the bones of our electric charging infrastructure is far superior to our current vehicle fuel supply system. I dont know anyone with diesel pumps or gas pumps at home. Everyone has power.
Post by: lamrith on November 09, 2022, 07:03:03 PM
Towing capacity: 11,000 lbsThat's at 220V which is L2 home charging, MAX is like 11Kw.
MSRP: From $67,500
Make: Rivian
Range: 260 to 314 mi battery-only
Battery: 135 kWh lithium-ion
Battery charge time: 13h at 220V,.......................... 13 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No thanks!!!!
On a roadtrip you will use DCFC which is orders of magnitude faster. Talking 150KW to 350KW.
The trick with EV is just charge nightly at home, you don't wait to "fill your tank" until it is low like a ICE. You get home, park, plug it in and go about your evening. Never looking for or spending time at a gas station, each morning you have a full tank..
Post by: lamrith on November 09, 2022, 07:19:08 PM
One thing I thought of is if you need a special charging plugin...some setup that will be used for your EV...where do you put it assuming you have to charge your EV every night?You are arguing in yourself circles. Each person will have their own setup. Unless you are using max/full range or more than 1/2 you will not need to charge nightly. you can if you want, but not required. Most of the larger EV's like rivian, lightning, tesla, etc are well over 100mi range. Talking Tacoma to Seattle at least 2x on a charge. If you are stuck in 30mph traffic you might make 3, EV's LOVE slow traffic.
In the garage? If you are like me you periodically have projects that take up floor space in the garage for a week or more and so you park your vehicle outside.
An outside charging station? So I have to park my car in the same spot every night where it will get snowed on instead of inside?
Will these at home charging stations have a 100 foot extension cord? I assume the cord is pretty short?
My garage has project vehicles in it, so I mounted my charger outside (Not for a Rivian, another EV) If you will be doing projects off and on, then would make sense to put the charger near the front of garage so the cord could reach out the door and just park your EV close, or be used inside. If you are afraid of weather then I guess you need to hurry up and finish that project to get the rig back inside! :-p
Charging cords are usually 24-25ft. They do also make extensions for them. The real key is what is your daily usage? AVG US commute is only 36miles round trip. Rivian will do that for like 8 days without a charge. You could DCFC for that one time for a week if need be, or shop at Albertsons/Safeway and use their free charges while you shop which are 5-7KW L2.
Post by: lamrith on November 09, 2022, 07:34:41 PM
Saw an R1T in the snow other day. I have been following Rivian since it started. The R1T truck is smaller than I was expecting from the photos, now having seen one in person. But very nice off road capabilities in them. I would like the SUV version (R1S) that is starting to ship. Considering it's competing against the Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Tesla class of vehicles it is a compelling option for an electric SUV.The vehicles are as much or more a holdup as the chargers, there need to be MORE chargers for sure and some of the older ones are not very reliable, but it is the vehicles that usually throttle charge speed.
Here is the real world charging time on a DC fast charger (which is what most people would use on a road trip). 42 minutes to charge from 10% to 80% charge. 20 minutes to get to first 140 miles added. It's not a linear charging rate.
https://insideevs.com/news/586886/how-long-to-charge-rivian-r1t/
With the next gen DC fast charging stations coming out, the charge times will go down from these numbers as more of the new faster charging stations get deployed.
With a Rivian wall charger at home, it charges at 25 miles per hour replenishment rate.
Rivian is currently the best option for electric truck or SUV. But competitors are coming with new models, so will see how the market shakes out.
Most EV even expensive ones only charge at about 150KW max. There are chargers up and down I5 currently pushing 350. It often comes down to the charge curve the Car Mfg sets up. Mach-E can hit 150KW, but they have a well known bad curve so start slow, ramp mid way to 100's then right back down. Then there are vehicles like the Audi E-tron that is well known for it's very flat curve. It jumps right into 100's and stays there till 80% then drops. Then there are speed demons like the E-GMP platform and Porsche Tycan that will ramp and charge in the mid/upper 200Kw ranges. Talking 10-80% in 18min.
I would argue the Lightning is as good or better truck than the rivian. R1T is damn cool, but also a bit "Faddy", smaller and definitely has a niche they are going after in terms of yuppy/outdoors adventure type folks. The lightning is a classicF150 with different power. Lot more standard utilitarian pickup that anyone can just get in and enjoy. not battling thru center screen to adjust your hvac vents or wipers etc. They are each solid rigs with different market segments in mind.
Post by: lamrith on November 09, 2022, 07:37:38 PM
Big Fan. Follower since 2019.Congrats, just saw some vids on those, very very cool rig. Make sure to share your thoughts in a thread after you have had it a while.
My wife's R1S set to be delivered in December after a 3 year wait. Not the end all solution for every need of a vehicle but following the 80/20 rule, will be just fine.
Post by: lamrith on November 09, 2022, 07:42:18 PM
Tesla was working on just that sort of thing years ago but I have note heard it mentioned since. I too think it is a great idea, even better if those stations could do it automatically then those packs get recharged until the next vehicle comes along.My opinion is that energy storage will evolve faster than charging technology. You can only ram so many electrons down a cable per second so the charging rate has some bounds. Storage doesn't have nearly the same limitations. Either more storage or some form of swappable.
That right there is the future: swappable power supply. Pull into a “gas” station, attendant slides your low batteries out and puts fresh ones in for a fee. Back on the road with a full charge. But at home or restaurant, grocery store, anywhere stationary and you plug in. Like paying extra for
A propane tank swap vs having it filled. Really the bones of our electric charging infrastructure is far superior to our current vehicle fuel supply system. I dont know anyone with diesel pumps or gas pumps at home. Everyone has power.
The big problem then is "ownership" of a pack You may take very good care of your battery, others do not, so you go on a road trip and hit a swap station, end up with a POS battery and yours goes into the pool for some other person that gets swapped later. I for one would be pissed to get a pack back that was degraded when I mine was top notch...
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2022, 10:12:14 AM
I have to admit that I haven't really been paying any attention to this "truck". However, a couple of days ago I found myself following one through traffic in Bonney Lake. My initial impression was that it appeared very light duty. Especially when I noticed that it didn't even have a hitch receiver. :dunno:
It’s not even remotely intended to be heavy duty. Kind of like a Tacoma or a Ranger or something like that.
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2022, 10:14:24 AM
Big Fan. Follower since 2019.Congrats, just saw some vids on those, very very cool rig. Make sure to share your thoughts in a thread after you have had it a while.
My wife's R1S set to be delivered in December after a 3 year wait. Not the end all solution for every need of a vehicle but following the 80/20 rule, will be just fine.
Spoke to a lady yesterday who was getting her transit van serviced. She’s got one on order for almost 4 years she said and it keeps getting bumped out. She’s thinking about cancelling and ordering a Mach E.
Post by: mountainman on November 24, 2022, 08:21:34 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 25, 2022, 03:26:38 AM
My opinion is that energy storage will evolve faster than charging technology. You can only ram so many electrons down a cable per second so the charging rate has some bounds. Storage doesn't have nearly the same limitations. Either more storage or some form of swappable.
That right there is the future: swappable power supply. Pull into a “gas” station, attendant slides your low batteries out and puts fresh ones in for a fee. Back on the road with a full charge. But at home or restaurant, grocery store, anywhere stationary and you plug in. Like paying extra for
A propane tank swap vs having it filled. Really the bones of our electric charging infrastructure is far superior to our current vehicle fuel supply system. I dont know anyone with diesel pumps or gas pumps at home. Everyone has power.
Uh lots of people have pumps at home, I do.
When I was growing up in eastern Washington, every farmer/rancher does.
Where are you hillbilling at?🤔
Post by: Zardoz on December 25, 2022, 08:35:31 PM
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Post by: highcountry_hunter on December 26, 2022, 08:15:03 AM
Scotty Kilmer is the Man...Rivian working with Mercedes, will kill the Rivian brand. IMO.I’ve never heard anyone say that this guy is the man lol.
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Post by: dyhardhuntr on December 26, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: Stein on December 26, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
Post by: Zardoz on December 26, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. :twocents:
Post by: Stein on December 26, 2022, 09:13:48 PM
If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. :twocents:
Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear. Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now. Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still. Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.
Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point. We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.
It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases. It's capitalism, we just make more.
Post by: Born2late on December 26, 2022, 09:23:58 PM
This article says 44.00 a gallon for carbon neutral and by 2026 they project to have it down to 7.50 a gallon.
It will be interesting to see what this really ends up costing.
I also wonder about the byproduct of making this, is there any negative effects on environment.
Post by: dyhardhuntr on December 27, 2022, 06:28:27 AM
Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. :twocents:
Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear. Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now. Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still. Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.
Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point. We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.
It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases. It's capitalism, we just make more.
Post by: Onewhohikes on December 27, 2022, 07:27:01 AM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on December 27, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. :twocents:
Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear. Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now. Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still. Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.
Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point. We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.
It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases. It's capitalism, we just make more.
We've always been the global leader and innovator, and if we don't jump on this stuff now we will be chasing China in a few years. If we are embarking on a new era of cleaner driving, of which the US is the heaviest user of vehicles in the world, it'd sure be nice to know the US is leading the way and showing other developing nations they can have some of the freedoms we enjoy without polluting as much carbon emissions. Honestly look at our driving habits as Americans; most Americans don't hunt and don't need a truck (as long as a friend has one for when they move!) Most folks just buy a fuel efficient little car to commute to and from work. This is the market. The Rivians and Ford Lightnings are cool but most folks are gonna get a Leaf or something small to park easily at the grocery and up front cost is relatively doable. My opinion is that we take charge on the EV stuff or we're gonna be sucking hind tit.
Post by: chukar hunter on December 27, 2022, 09:23:05 AM
EXTREMELY impressed at the engineering and thought that went into every single detail of the vehicle. Definitively a high performance machine and Rivian didn't overexaggerate the 0-60 speed! 8) 8) Ruggedly built, simple and practical features screaming 2 track roads, but it won't see that until the kids have an opportunity to trash the back seat. Very intuitive controls and ICE car manufacturers should incorporate many of the features as the US/World gravitates towards this technology.
Will update the thread with charging costs, ect as the we get more data.
Post by: fast60eddie on January 01, 2023, 12:27:22 PM
Post by: Stein on January 01, 2023, 01:23:21 PM
Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?
Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.
The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists. Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power. All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.
Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods. We can easily make more than we need.
I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. :twocents:
Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear. Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now. Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still. Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.
Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point. We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.
It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases. It's capitalism, we just make more.
Load factor is average divided by peak, if you "move electricity around", you have those electrons you can use. Not sure the point there. Germany is already at 40% renewable. Costa Rica is 98% yet some are still claiming it's impossible despite people doing it all over the world right now.
The good that will come of this is that the people in the middle east that hate us won't be getting our money at some point. Sure, less pollution is a great thing as well.
The biggest threat to grid reliability isn't the source of the electrons or the loads, it's extreme weather. High ambient temperature, high wind, ice, flood and wildfire are statistically the most frequent sources for power failures.
Distributed generation increases grid reliability as the generation is spread out and less of it is subject to a localized weather event.
Post by: Alchase on January 01, 2023, 03:31:39 PM
Has to be about the ugliest truck I have ever seen
I think this one would give a run for the ugliest truck ever thought of
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck
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Post by: jackelope on January 01, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
Seen the scout/travelall version @ Amazon
That’s the R1S mentioned in the post above yours.
Post by: lamrith on January 22, 2023, 05:58:50 PM
Picked up the R1S Yesterday after a 3 year wait!Been almost a month, how's the new rig?
EXTREMELY impressed at the engineering and thought that went into every single detail of the vehicle. Definitively a high performance machine and Rivian didn't overexaggerate the 0-60 speed! 8) 8) Ruggedly built, simple and practical features screaming 2 track roads, but it won't see that until the kids have an opportunity to trash the back seat. Very intuitive controls and ICE car manufacturers should incorporate many of the features as the US/World gravitates towards this technology.
Will update the thread with charging costs, ect as the we get more data.
Post by: Alchase on January 22, 2023, 06:13:10 PM
I personally cannot see myself in a EV until charging is closer to gas refill times and availability is not an issue.
Still, good to love the way the way Rivian is forcing the big three into offer “more” then just paint and fluff as options.
Post by: Stein on January 22, 2023, 06:32:39 PM