Rivian electric truck.

[Born2late]

https://www.motortrend.com/features/porsche-supercup-efuel-direct-air-carbon-capture/amp/
This article says 44.00 a gallon for carbon neutral and by 2026 they project to have it down to 7.50 a gallon.
It will be interesting to see what this really ends up costing.
I also wonder about the byproduct of making this, is there any negative effects on environment.

[dyhardhuntr]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. 

Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear.  Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now.  Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still.  Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.

Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point.  We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.

It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases.  It's capitalism, we just make more.

Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.

[Onewhohikes]

Has to be about the ugliest truck I have ever seen

[Rutnbuxnbulls]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. 

Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear.  Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now.  Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still.  Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.

Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point.  We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.

It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases.  It's capitalism, we just make more.

Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.

We've always been the global leader and innovator, and if we don't jump on this stuff now we will be chasing China in a few years.  If we are embarking on a new era of cleaner driving, of which the US is the heaviest user of vehicles in the world, it'd sure be nice to know the US is leading the way and showing other developing nations they can have some of the freedoms we enjoy without polluting as much carbon emissions.  Honestly look at our driving habits as Americans; most Americans don't hunt and don't need a truck (as long as a friend has one for when they move!) Most folks just buy a fuel efficient little car to commute to and from work.  This is the market.  The Rivians and Ford Lightnings are cool but most folks are gonna get a Leaf or something small to park easily at the grocery and up front cost is relatively doable.  My opinion is that we take charge on the EV stuff or we're gonna be sucking hind tit.

[chukar hunter]

Picked up the R1S Yesterday after a 3 year wait!

EXTREMELY impressed at the engineering and thought that went into every single detail of the vehicle.  Definitively a high performance machine and Rivian didn't overexaggerate the 0-60 speed!    Ruggedly built, simple and practical features screaming 2 track roads, but it won't see that until the kids have an opportunity to trash the back seat.  Very intuitive controls and ICE car manufacturers should incorporate many of the features as the US/World gravitates towards this technology. 

Will update the thread with charging costs, ect as the we get more data. 

[fast60eddie]

Seen the scout/travelall version @ Amazon

[Stein]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. 

Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear.  Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now.  Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still.  Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.

Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point.  We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.

It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases.  It's capitalism, we just make more.

Your right about lots of low carbon energy. Unfortunately wind power is highly unreliable and has an expensive rotation on maintenance. Apparently your missing the load factor. You can move electricity around but when you put a load on it is when it matters. It will be trillions of dollars to get the grid some what reliable. Days of good reliable and cheap electricity are on their way out. Electric vehicles are neat but what good will come of this? Clean air? China and India pollute more air than we will ever save. This is a political joke.

Load factor is average divided by peak, if you "move electricity around", you have those electrons you can use.  Not sure the point there.  Germany is already at 40% renewable.  Costa Rica is 98% yet some are still claiming it's impossible despite people doing it all over the world right now.

The good that will come of this is that the people in the middle east that hate us won't be getting our money at some point.  Sure, less pollution is a great thing as well.

The biggest threat to grid reliability isn't the source of the electrons or the loads, it's extreme weather.  High ambient temperature, high wind, ice, flood and wildfire are statistically the most frequent sources for power failures.

Distributed generation increases grid reliability as the generation is spread out and less of it is subject to a localized weather event.

[Alchase]

Has to be about the ugliest truck I have ever seen

I think this one would give a run for the ugliest truck ever thought of

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

 

[jackelope]

Seen the scout/travelall version @ Amazon

That’s the R1S mentioned in the post above yours.

[lamrith]

Picked up the R1S Yesterday after a 3 year wait!

EXTREMELY impressed at the engineering and thought that went into every single detail of the vehicle.  Definitively a high performance machine and Rivian didn't overexaggerate the 0-60 speed!    Ruggedly built, simple and practical features screaming 2 track roads, but it won't see that until the kids have an opportunity to trash the back seat.  Very intuitive controls and ICE car manufacturers should incorporate many of the features as the US/World gravitates towards this technology. 

Will update the thread with charging costs, ect as the we get more data.

Been almost a month, how's the new rig?

[Alchase]

I saw one in Puyallup South Hill when I was there a week ago. They are a lot smaller than I imagined. Definitely a look that will take a bit getting use too. Read up on all the unique features they have and they incredible use of space. The performance is incredible. I am curious what your real world experience will be.
I personally cannot see myself in a EV until charging is closer to gas refill times and availability is not an issue.

Still, good to love the way the way Rivian is forcing the big three into offer “more” then just paint and fluff as options.

[Stein]

I agree, new car companies is one of the best parts of EV, glad to see more competition not to mention an alternative to the traditional dealer model.