Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 18, 2022, 08:50:31 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 18, 2022, 08:51:06 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 18, 2022, 08:55:59 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 18, 2022, 09:08:28 AM
That Chineseism metal .....
Just isn't made like was back in the day.
Post by: Sandberm on December 18, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
"...Last year, the Chevy Colorado ZR2 incident reported driving at about 40 MPH over a desert trail with an overland camping trailer that weighed about 3,000 lbs.
This week the incident involved a modified Gladiator pickup truck that reportedly had after-market longer travel shocks (according to CORE Off-Road). The truck also had aftermarket wheels and tires among other modifications. This truck was reportedly towing a trailer weighing about 2,000 lbs.
Although, these trailer weights are not super heavy, never underestimate the power of leverage. When hitting the whoops and other off-road obstacles, the trailer’s tongue weight can be multiplied by the leverage...
https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/ (https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/)
Theres a homeless couple living in a too big for the truck camper on an old squarebody chevy in the Winco parking lot in Richland. I'm waiting for it to snap in half or slide out the back when it leaves the parking lot.
Post by: jmscon on December 18, 2022, 09:15:38 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2022, 09:20:04 AM
A link talking about that Colorado, Says it was towing a 3000lb trailer off road. Sure doesnt look like 3000lbs to me :dunno:
https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/ (https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/)
Theres a homeless couple living in a too big for the truck camper on an old squarebody chevy in the Winco parking lot in Richland. I'm waiting for it to snap in half or slide out the back when it leaves the parking lot.
Holy crap, I've hauled much heavier in my Colorado
I can't say on the internet :chuckle:
Post by: wadu1 on December 18, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Dude, I would come unhinged!I think you nailed it, hinges :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on December 18, 2022, 09:26:31 AM
Like a gram cracker droped on a hardwood floor. :chuckle:
Post by: HntnFsh on December 18, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
Welds can strengthen or weaken metal.
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2022, 09:40:55 AM
I'm waiting for better market conditions
Post by: hunter399 on December 18, 2022, 09:50:37 AM
Looks like a break at a weld line in one of the pics.It was one of those fancy robot welders.
Welds can strengthen or weaken metal.
No way that could fail. :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on December 18, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on December 18, 2022, 10:40:14 AM
This is exactly why I carry a tube of JB Weld.
This made me spit my coffee on my phone😂😂😂
Post by: Tenkara on December 18, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
This is exactly why I carry a tube of JB Weld.Lol!
This made me spit my coffee on my phone😂😂😂
Post by: buckfvr on December 18, 2022, 11:13:54 AM
Post by: follow maggie on December 18, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 18, 2022, 12:18:36 PM
This is exactly why I carry a tube of JB Weld.
Oh my!! Lol. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2022, 03:05:01 PM
A link talking about that Colorado, Says it was towing a 3000lb trailer off road. Sure doesnt look like 3000lbs to me :dunno:
https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/ (https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/)
Theres a homeless couple living in a too big for the truck camper on an old squarebody chevy in the Winco parking lot in Richland. I'm waiting for it to snap in half or slide out the back when it leaves the parking lot.
Holy crap, I've hauled much heavier in my Colorado
I can't say on the internet :chuckle:
40mph off road?
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2022, 03:07:42 PM
Having done the 1 ton 4x, 4 door with big camper and boat and always having wondered about the bouncing and porpoising, and looking at this makes me wonder if truck frames only get static tests for their ratings or if any mfgs actually do any dynamic testing to address the issue of increasing dynamic loads while rolling. :dunno:
It also makes me wonder how much the giant camper in the bed and the trailer on the hitch weighs and how much over the payload capacity of the truck it all adds up to. At least some of these pics make me wonder if it’s a “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” situation.
Oddly enough none of them are first Gen Tundras where the frames just rotted and broke in half.
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2022, 03:08:27 PM
I know two people that have suffered this to a lesser degree. Both had bad cracks in the frame, but not to the point of it looking like a hinge. Both had the crack where their airbags were mounted.
Airbags for a reason I assume. See my above comment :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2022, 03:12:16 PM
A link talking about that Colorado, Says it was towing a 3000lb trailer off road. Sure doesnt look like 3000lbs to me :dunno:
https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/ (https://tfltruck.com/2020/03/frame-bender-what-does-it-take-to-bend-a-trucks-frame/)
Theres a homeless couple living in a too big for the truck camper on an old squarebody chevy in the Winco parking lot in Richland. I'm waiting for it to snap in half or slide out the back when it leaves the parking lot.
Holy crap, I've hauled much heavier in my Colorado
I can't say on the internet :chuckle:
40mph off road?
No, I was being gentle as possible.
I have hauled my bike on a hitch carrier and elk camp in the bed. Hit a huge hole I didn't see, ooof! that worried me, stopped and checked the receiver and bike hauler.
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
These newer trucks have asinine amounts of power, coupled with awesome brakes, put a heavy camper on top that would put a lot of stress on the frame 'right there'
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2022, 03:40:57 PM
Post by: TVHunts on December 18, 2022, 03:48:19 PM
Post by: MADMAX on December 18, 2022, 03:55:05 PM
Just sayin
Post by: follow maggie on December 18, 2022, 04:02:27 PM
I know two people that have suffered this to a lesser degree. Both had bad cracks in the frame, but not to the point of it looking like a hinge. Both had the crack where their airbags were mounted.
Airbags for a reason I assume. See my above comment :chuckle:
Yep- they had big campers & towed big boats
Post by: Webfoot on December 18, 2022, 04:42:31 PM
2004 thru 2010 frames are rusting all the way through.
Post by: rasbo on December 18, 2022, 04:50:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2022, 05:11:32 PM
Post by: Rob on December 18, 2022, 05:34:30 PM
They also mention airbags as a potential cause.
The going theory is, if they are over inflated it can take a significant load off the front and rear attachment points of the leaf springs and concentrate load where the airbag meets the frame, putting high stress on a single point of the frame.
I have no idea if there is merit to this but it was interesting discussion.
Post by: thinkingman on December 19, 2022, 10:29:36 AM
OOOHHHHHH!!!!Having done the 1 ton 4x, 4 door with big camper and boat and always having wondered about the bouncing and porpoising, and looking at this makes me wonder if truck frames only get static tests for their ratings or if any mfgs actually do any dynamic testing to address the issue of increasing dynamic loads while rolling. :dunno:
It also makes me wonder how much the giant camper in the bed and the trailer on the hitch weighs and how much over the payload capacity of the truck it all adds up to. At least some of these pics make me wonder if it’s a “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” situation.
Oddly enough none of them are first Gen Tundras where the frames just rotted and broke in half.
YOU DONE IT NOW!!!!
The Toyota Fanboi mafia is getting the pitchforks and torches ready for a full-on assault.
Even as a Mod, you cannot speak the truth about Toys...
Post by: thinkingman on December 19, 2022, 10:33:16 AM
There is a similar discussion on tractorbynet.This plus porpoising makes a lot of sense with regard to frame failures.
They also mention airbags as a potential cause.
The going theory is, if they are over inflated it can take a significant load off the front and rear attachment points of the leaf springs and concentrate load where the airbag meets the frame, putting high stress on a single point of the frame.
I have no idea if there is merit to this but it was interesting discussion.
At least the photos are not from rust...
Post by: Rob on December 19, 2022, 10:43:39 AM
Post by: 2MANY on December 19, 2022, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: Dan-o on December 19, 2022, 11:31:47 AM
Welcome to Biden's America.
I literally was laughing out loud when I read this. :chuckle:
Post by: timberfaller on December 19, 2022, 11:33:36 AM
There comes a point when drilling to many holes and putting to many bends in the wrong place, things WILL snap!!
There is something to be said about having a "solid" frame verses a weight saving frame! But that goes for everything else too, just imagine what today's pickups would weigh if they were built like they used to be!!?? Less plastic's and stronger frames!! :yike: :yike:
Post by: full choke on December 19, 2022, 11:45:08 AM
OOOHHHHHH!!!!Having done the 1 ton 4x, 4 door with big camper and boat and always having wondered about the bouncing and porpoising, and looking at this makes me wonder if truck frames only get static tests for their ratings or if any mfgs actually do any dynamic testing to address the issue of increasing dynamic loads while rolling. :dunno:
It also makes me wonder how much the giant camper in the bed and the trailer on the hitch weighs and how much over the payload capacity of the truck it all adds up to. At least some of these pics make me wonder if it’s a “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” situation.
Oddly enough none of them are first Gen Tundras where the frames just rotted and broke in half.
YOU DONE IT NOW!!!!
The Toyota Fanboi mafia is getting the pitchforks and torches ready for a full-on assault.
Even as a Mod, you cannot speak the truth about Toys...
Not sure if it will bring out the fanboi’s, but it for sure riles up the hater’s…
Post by: hunter399 on December 19, 2022, 12:08:10 PM
I like Toyota,got one sitting in the driveway.OOOHHHHHH!!!!Having done the 1 ton 4x, 4 door with big camper and boat and always having wondered about the bouncing and porpoising, and looking at this makes me wonder if truck frames only get static tests for their ratings or if any mfgs actually do any dynamic testing to address the issue of increasing dynamic loads while rolling. :dunno:
It also makes me wonder how much the giant camper in the bed and the trailer on the hitch weighs and how much over the payload capacity of the truck it all adds up to. At least some of these pics make me wonder if it’s a “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” situation.
Oddly enough none of them are first Gen Tundras where the frames just rotted and broke in half.
YOU DONE IT NOW!!!!
The Toyota Fanboi mafia is getting the pitchforks and torches ready for a full-on assault.
Even as a Mod, you cannot speak the truth about Toys...
Not sure if it will bring out the fanboi’s, but it for sure riles up the hater’s…
With that said there all junk these days.
Chevy,Ford,Nissan,dodge,doesn't matter.
Anyway to save a buck in the manufacturing process.
Anybody that works in manufacturing of anything will tell ya it's true.
Quality control is in the toilet ,is why these frames are junk.
Post by: Tenkara on December 19, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
:yeah:OOOHHHHHH!!!!Having done the 1 ton 4x, 4 door with big camper and boat and always having wondered about the bouncing and porpoising, and looking at this makes me wonder if truck frames only get static tests for their ratings or if any mfgs actually do any dynamic testing to address the issue of increasing dynamic loads while rolling. :dunno:
It also makes me wonder how much the giant camper in the bed and the trailer on the hitch weighs and how much over the payload capacity of the truck it all adds up to. At least some of these pics make me wonder if it’s a “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” situation.
Oddly enough none of them are first Gen Tundras where the frames just rotted and broke in half.
YOU DONE IT NOW!!!!
The Toyota Fanboi mafia is getting the pitchforks and torches ready for a full-on assault.
Even as a Mod, you cannot speak the truth about Toys...
Not sure if it will bring out the fanboi’s, but it for sure riles up the hater’s…
Post by: GWP on December 19, 2022, 01:25:18 PM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 19, 2022, 02:11:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2022, 02:25:34 PM
Pretty sure the white Ram / camper combo is a modified frame - has nothing to do with the manufacture
I thought it was just a modified/cutaway bed. Looks like a regular crew cab long bed.
Also I searched that guy on the gram and he’s got a new one now. Same brand make model etc so he must not have been too upset about his truck breaking in half.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/d298fa13ac6ddd6a4dc2efcb7b8facb8.jpg)
Post by: Stein on December 19, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 19, 2022, 03:33:10 PM
There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2022, 03:36:54 PM
I would bet my next check the bed isn't the only non-factory feature on that truck. :chuckle:Agreed.
We have 5-6 of these that come in here for service. Never seen a broken frame on one of them yet.
Used to be an F550, converted to single rear wheels. Crazy air suspension system, 40" tires, etc.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/8054ac92691c75049a5189f65e337a2f.jpg)
Post by: huntnphool on December 19, 2022, 04:27:25 PM
I would bet my next check the bed isn't the only non-factory feature on that truck. :chuckle:Agreed.
We have 5-6 of these that come in here for service. Never seen a broken frame on one of them yet.
Used to be an F550, converted to single rear wheels. Crazy air suspension system, 40" tires, etc.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/8054ac92691c75049a5189f65e337a2f.jpg)
:tup:
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2022, 04:29:12 PM
Post by: follow maggie on December 19, 2022, 04:59:38 PM
Dream rig there! what they start at, half a mil?More than that now
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 19, 2022, 05:04:48 PM
Dream rig there! what they start at, half a mil?
https://earthroamer.com/new-lti/how-to-buy/#:~:text=Purchasing%20and%20Pricing&text=The%20base%20price%20of%20LTi,lead%20time%2C%20please%20Contact%20Us.
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2022, 05:08:24 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 19, 2022, 06:23:53 PM
Dang that's dumb
Luxury camping
Cost some $$$$$💰💰💰💰💰💰
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2022, 06:25:51 PM
Dang that's dumb
Covid caused a run on $750k RV’s. At least 2 of the owners sold their houses and bought these things and went mobile working from the road.
Post by: hunter399 on December 19, 2022, 06:35:31 PM
Tiny houseDang that's dumb
Covid caused a run on $750k RV’s. At least 2 of the owners sold their houses and bought these things and went mobile working from the road.
Man covid lock down in that luxury camper must of been rough.
Instead of avoiding covid ,they just keep driving into a new infection.
Oh man.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 19, 2022, 09:52:12 PM
There is a similar discussion on tractorbynet.
They also mention airbags as a potential cause.
The going theory is, if they are over inflated it can take a significant load off the front and rear attachment points of the leaf springs and concentrate load where the airbag meets the frame, putting high stress on a single point of the frame.
I have no idea if there is merit to this but it was interesting discussion.
Tractorbynet is a good place. Have you been there since before Carl (Shieldarc) died? He was an encyclopedia of welding
Post by: Stein on December 26, 2022, 09:16:44 PM
There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
Post by: huntnphool on December 26, 2022, 09:26:13 PM
There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
I’m close to 600k on my 7.3
Post by: thinkingman on December 27, 2022, 09:02:42 AM
7.3 in a Toyota?There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
I’m close to 600k on my 7.3
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2022, 11:21:44 AM
7.3 in a Toyota?There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
I’m close to 600k on my 7.3
7.3 is made by International ;)
Post by: Dan-o on December 27, 2022, 12:03:41 PM
7.3 in a Toyota?There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
I’m close to 600k on my 7.3
7.3 is made by International ;)
Is that your Toyota Excursion?
The hate runs deep in someone....
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2022, 02:25:30 PM
7.3 in a Toyota?There has not been a good truck made since International and Studebaker quit making them.My dad owned two International Travelalls....a '69 and a '75.
Neither lived past 7 or 8 years Ohio road salt and poorly protected metal.
I remember my job was to check oil when I was about 8 or 9 and I couldn't get the hood to raise.
Turns out, the inner fender where the hinges attached were so rusty, the hinges collapsed into the fender well.
They did have some beefy engines and transmissions.
I remember my buddy's family literally having a party celebrating their vehicle that hit 100,000 miles. Nobody actually believed it was possible, we all went for a ride in it to see for ourselves.
They surely didn't have as much plastic, but they had an awfully short lifespan.
I’m close to 600k on my 7.3
7.3 is made by International ;)
Is that your Toyota Excursion?
:chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2023, 09:26:04 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Tristinsdad/videos/625966115998599/
Post by: Mudman on January 21, 2023, 10:17:44 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 21, 2023, 10:30:34 AM
Frames are welded at the factory without stress relieving, so welding by itself doesn’t cause a weakness. The weldment can result in a stress accumulator.
Heavy trucks with frames marked “do not weld” are another matter.
Post by: buckfvr on January 21, 2023, 11:10:13 AM
BUT I do think big Ol campers should be a concern on any truck as they r getting ridiculous in weights.
For a fact, and then send that overloaded truck bouncing down the hiway @70mph.
Post by: kball4 on January 26, 2023, 11:27:31 AM
Post by: GWP on January 26, 2023, 11:55:59 AM
HSS generally means Hollow Structural Shape.
Frames are welded at the factory without stress relieving, so welding by itself doesn’t cause a weakness. The weldment can result in a stress accumulator.
Heavy trucks with frames marked “do not weld” are another matter.
Worked heavy equipment repair and had a new guy that ‘knew what he was doing’ that used heat to repair sections on a tempered tractor frame. Oops.