Post by: pickardjw on March 06, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
Sued for holding a position on the Jefferson County Planning Committee in conjunction with her position on the Fish & Wildlife Commission.
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 06, 2023, 03:05:39 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 06, 2023, 03:28:47 PM
The article notes that ZERO of the current Commissioners have been confirmed by the Senate. Woody and Parker withstanding, is that true of the older term Commissioners like Linville and Anderson? Not sure how to check that...
Post by: hunter399 on March 06, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
Interesting. I don’t know how they are allowing her to serve both.Cause inslee thinks he is above the law.
Good news.
I'm going to celebrate later ,shot of whiskey is in order.
Post by: Smokeploe on March 06, 2023, 03:43:47 PM
Smokeploe
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 06, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
If they are not confirmed by the Senate then how can they create and enforce any laws! Until confirmed they do not have any powers! If my statement is true then this years cancellation of the spring bear hunt is null and void! All members of the board should be sued to step down, no voting, no recommendations, no seat no nothing until confirmed by the Senate!Technically I don’t think the create or enforce any laws.
Smokeploe
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 06, 2023, 03:55:15 PM
If they are not confirmed by the Senate then how can they create and enforce any laws! Until confirmed they do not have any powers! If my statement is true then this years cancellation of the spring bear hunt is null and void! All members of the board should be sued to step down, no voting, no recommendations, no seat no nothing until confirmed by the Senate!Technically I don’t think the create or enforce any laws.
Smokeploe
Correct it is their recommendations that have to be approved by the senate before they they becomes laws.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 06, 2023, 04:08:00 PM
If they are not confirmed by the Senate then how can they create and enforce any laws! Until confirmed they do not have any powers! If my statement is true then this years cancellation of the spring bear hunt is null and void! All members of the board should be sued to step down, no voting, no recommendations, no seat no nothing until confirmed by the Senate!
Smokeploe
When they're appointed by the King, they're given full power over season setting and rule changes. The senate confirmation allows them to continue in their role. That is my understanding. @bigtex ??
Post by: Smokeploe on March 06, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
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Post by: Smokeploe on March 06, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE
Approved August 6, 2021
I. APPOINTMENTS, TERMS, AND QUALIFICATIONS
The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is comprised of nine members serving six-year terms. Members are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. Three members must reside east of the summit of the Cascade Mountains, three must reside west of the summit, and three may reside anywhere in the state. No two Commissioners may reside in the same county. (RCW 77.04.030).
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the Commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. (RCW 77.04.040).
There is no mention that they have powers right away, they must be confirmed by the Senate. If they are not confirmed they, by rights have no power until confirmed.
Smokeploe
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 06, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
Then this gives Inslee more power than Biden! Biden can appoint someone to the Supreme Court but they cannot seat there until they are confirmed. This is why there is a conformation process! To make sure they are legally, and morally fit to be confirmed! Or is Washington a backward state?
Smokeploe
Equating the Commission with the SCOTUS is a bit of a stretch, but you're correct. The King can appoint anyone he wishes to do anything he wishes. Confirmation is really a formality because both the senate and house majorities are the King's lap dogs - they'll do what he says. There is no separation of powers anymore in WA. There may not be mention of the having immediate powers, but they do.
Post by: bigtex on March 06, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
If they are not confirmed by the Senate then how can they create and enforce any laws! Until confirmed they do not have any powers! If my statement is true then this years cancellation of the spring bear hunt is null and void! All members of the board should be sued to step down, no voting, no recommendations, no seat no nothing until confirmed by the Senate!They don't have to be confirmed.
Smokeploe
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 06, 2023, 04:33:05 PM
This is from the first page of the rules and procedures for the wild life commission
WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE
Approved August 6, 2021
I. APPOINTMENTS, TERMS, AND QUALIFICATIONS
The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is comprised of nine members serving six-year terms. Members are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. Three members must reside east of the summit of the Cascade Mountains, three must reside west of the summit, and three may reside anywhere in the state. No two Commissioners may reside in the same county. (RCW 77.04.030).
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the Commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. (RCW 77.04.040).
There is no mention that they have powers right away, they must be confirmed by the Senate. If they are not confirmed they, by rights have no power until confirmed.
Smokeploe
There's no stated time limit about when they must be confirmed and there's nothing that says they can't perform the full duties of a confirmed commissioner before their senate confirmation. Inslee has been using the ambiguity of the RCW to his personal advantage, appointing people from organizations friendly to his pockets and allowing them to tear apart a working system. Lorna Smith is a prime example.
Post by: bigtex on March 06, 2023, 04:35:33 PM
Gubernatorial appointees—Continuation of service—Appointments to fill vacancies.
(1) Any gubernatorial appointee subject to senate confirmation shall continue to serve unless rejected by a vote of the senate. An appointee who is rejected by a vote of the senate shall not be reappointed to the same position for a period of one year from termination of service.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 06, 2023, 04:37:26 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 06, 2023, 04:40:24 PM
Wonderful. So even if Lorna or on of the other extremists is rejected by the senate, the King can reappoint her in one year.Or even easier, just don't bring their confirmations up for a vote.
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Post by: Smokeploe on March 06, 2023, 04:45:02 PM
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
Post by: bigtex on March 06, 2023, 04:46:03 PM
So even if she is sued out of her appointment, the one year later she can be reappointed again?Smith can easily end the lawsuit by resigning from the planning commission, which I assume will be the likely outcome.
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
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Post by: jrebel on March 06, 2023, 05:02:09 PM
So even if she is sued out of her appointment, the one year later she can be reappointed again?Smith can easily end the lawsuit by resigning from the planning commission, which I assume will be the likely outcome.
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
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Still makes good cannon fodder for the bigger picture law suits. Any and all pressure is good to expose these frauds.
Post by: dwtraut7 on March 06, 2023, 05:11:23 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 06, 2023, 05:17:33 PM
Any pressure at all seems like a positive. It pushed me to sign up with their organization as well.:yeah:
Anything we can do to bring scrutiny and discomfort to these nutjobs like Smith, Rowland, and Ragen...worth it IMO.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 06, 2023, 05:50:28 PM
Wonderful. So even if Lorna or on of the other extremists is rejected by the senate, the King can reappoint her in one year.
That is if the senate voted to not confirm. That doesn’t pertain to clearly violating the RCW by serving on multiple boards.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 06, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: idahohuntr link=topic=277742.msg3774636#msg3774636 date=1678151853 :yeah:
Any pressure at all seems like a positive. It pushed me to sign up with their organization as well.:yeah:
Anything we can do to bring scrutiny and discomfort to these nutjobs like Smith, Rowland, and Ragen...worth it IMO.
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
So even if she is sued out of her appointment, the one year later she can be reappointed again?Smith can easily end the lawsuit by resigning from the planning commission, which I assume will be the likely outcome.
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
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:yeah: She only needs to resign from one or the other. However, I'm wondering if it wasn't legal for her to be on the commission, could it be argued that her vote didn't count on ending spring bear? Or count on any other issue she voted?
Post by: Rainier10 on March 07, 2023, 07:57:42 AM
That is the argument I would make for sure.So even if she is sued out of her appointment, the one year later she can be reappointed again?Smith can easily end the lawsuit by resigning from the planning commission, which I assume will be the likely outcome.
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
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:yeah: She only needs to resign from one or the other. However, I'm wondering if it wasn't legal for her to be on the commission, could it be argued that her vote didn't count on ending spring bear? Or count on any other issue she voted?
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2023, 08:02:13 AM
That is the argument I would make for sure.So even if she is sued out of her appointment, the one year later she can be reappointed again?Smith can easily end the lawsuit by resigning from the planning commission, which I assume will be the likely outcome.
What happen to the checks and balances that are supposed to be in place? This government is run amuck. This means that he can appoint any smuck he wants to!
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:yeah: She only needs to resign from one or the other. However, I'm wondering if it wasn't legal for her to be on the commission, could it be argued that her vote didn't count on ending spring bear? Or count on any other issue she voted?
I almost have to think that is the direction they are thinking, at least I'm hoping it is!
Also, perhaps this is a reason the dems never tried to confirm her?
Post by: buckfvr on March 07, 2023, 08:20:24 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 07, 2023, 10:00:05 AM
Post by: harveymarv on March 07, 2023, 10:22:39 AM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/lawsuit-filed-to-bar-smith-from-wa-fish-and-wildlife-commission/
great article thanks
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 07, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 07, 2023, 10:48:07 AM
If they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
From Jefferson county’s planning commission website…
https://www.co.jefferson.wa.us/580/Planning-Commission
The Planning Commission is composed of 9 citizen volunteers appointed by the Board of County Commissioners to support the Department of Community Development and to make advisory recommendations on land use planning matters to the Board of County Commissioners as authorized in the Planning Enabling Act (RCW 36.70.040). The group does not review project-specific permits. Appointees represent their constituents and the general public from their district
RCW 77.44.040
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and * 42.17 RCW.
It’s cut and dry. It doesn’t get anymore straight forward than that. Bye bye Lorna.
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
Post by: jrebel on March 07, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
It was illegal for her to be on the wildlife commission, all her votes should be expunged, any rules or policies changed as a result of her illegal votes should also be expunged! :twocents:
:yeah: :yeah:
We need to get some our representatives to push this narrative. We also need all our representatives to know how King Inslee is corrupt and manipulating the WDFW to fit his personal agenda.
Post by: hunter399 on March 07, 2023, 12:00:07 PM
Could you imagine her telling you what to do with your land.If they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
From Jefferson county’s planning commission website…
https://www.co.jefferson.wa.us/580/Planning-Commission
The Planning Commission is composed of 9 citizen volunteers appointed by the Board of County Commissioners to support the Department of Community Development and to make advisory recommendations on land use planning matters to the Board of County Commissioners as authorized in the Planning Enabling Act (RCW 36.70.040). The group does not review project-specific permits. Appointees represent their constituents and the general public from their district
RCW 77.44.040
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and * 42.17 RCW.
It’s cut and dry. It doesn’t get anymore straight forward than that. Bye bye Lorna.
Terrible.
Post by: KFhunter on March 07, 2023, 12:19:37 PM
Well she lives in an area where people want to be told what to doCould you imagine her telling you what to do with your land.If they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
From Jefferson county’s planning commission website…
https://www.co.jefferson.wa.us/580/Planning-Commission
The Planning Commission is composed of 9 citizen volunteers appointed by the Board of County Commissioners to support the Department of Community Development and to make advisory recommendations on land use planning matters to the Board of County Commissioners as authorized in the Planning Enabling Act (RCW 36.70.040). The group does not review project-specific permits. Appointees represent their constituents and the general public from their district
RCW 77.44.040
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and * 42.17 RCW.
It’s cut and dry. It doesn’t get anymore straight forward than that. Bye bye Lorna.
Terrible.
Post by: hunter399 on March 07, 2023, 12:56:49 PM
Well it all makes perfect sense now. :chuckle: :chuckle:Well she lives in an area where people want to be told what to doCould you imagine her telling you what to do with your land.If they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
From Jefferson county’s planning commission website…
https://www.co.jefferson.wa.us/580/Planning-Commission
The Planning Commission is composed of 9 citizen volunteers appointed by the Board of County Commissioners to support the Department of Community Development and to make advisory recommendations on land use planning matters to the Board of County Commissioners as authorized in the Planning Enabling Act (RCW 36.70.040). The group does not review project-specific permits. Appointees represent their constituents and the general public from their district
RCW 77.44.040
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and * 42.17 RCW.
It’s cut and dry. It doesn’t get anymore straight forward than that. Bye bye Lorna.
Terrible.
Post by: JBG on March 08, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
If they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
So they are both going to be gone by the reasoning of the lawsuit?
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 08, 2023, 12:19:04 PM
NopeIf they told both Linville and Smith that it was ok to serve on the county planning commission, then it doesn’t sound like this lawsuit will be successful.
So they are both going to be gone by the reasoning of the lawsuit?
Post by: ghosthunter on March 08, 2023, 12:20:13 PM
Post by: Humptulips on March 08, 2023, 02:33:25 PM
"The lawsuit arrives as Smith stands to slide in as the new chair of the Wildlife Committee, following last week’s departure of hunter favorite Kim Thorburn, who was not reappointed to the commission by Inslee after her term officially expired at the end of 2022."
Post by: Timberstalker on March 08, 2023, 02:40:33 PM
Post by: salmosalar on March 08, 2023, 03:49:14 PM
Interesting. I don’t know how they are allowing her to serve both.
No one looked. I think the normal mechanism to vet the candidate is approval in the senate. This has not happened. I am willing to bet there have been a number of people serve over the years who have served on similar type boards. I know that there was a WDFW commissioner (Smith) who was the Dean of Huxley at WWU. He met with me regarding Skagit River stuff. I think that he would also have been a public official in that capacity. No one looked then either.
This is one hell of a catch by Sportsman's alliance. Kudo's to them.
Post by: JBG on March 08, 2023, 04:06:42 PM
Maybe they can change the lawsuit to include any member serving on another commission rather than just singling out the member who they philosophically oppose. Legally not sure if it makes a difference but the optics are pretty bad when the group bringing the suit is unaware that members that they agree with are also in violation.
Post by: GASoline71 on March 08, 2023, 04:29:57 PM
It is my hope that enough bad press, she will become a liability to the king and she will be off the commission. I do not believe she will ever be gone. Her ego won’t allow it. She will pop up as some chair on some anti group.
I believe her husband is still in deep with the anti-hunting group she "retired" from. I'm pretty sure she will be a burr under the saddle for many years to come in some capacity.
Gary
Post by: bearpaw on March 08, 2023, 04:57:28 PM
It was illegal for her to be on the wildlife commission, all her votes should be expunged, any rules or policies changed as a result of her illegal votes should also be expunged! :twocents:
:yeah: :yeah:
We need to get some our representatives to push this narrative. We also need all our representatives to know how King Inslee is corrupt and manipulating the WDFW to fit his personal agenda.
I sent a message to all three of my legislators, I know they all support hunting, including predator hunting, I have not gotten a message back yet, they are probably very busy now.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 08, 2023, 04:58:04 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/hunting-group-sues-wa-wildlife-commissioner-in-attempt-to-oust-them/
Maybe they can change the lawsuit to include any member serving on another commission rather than just singling out the member who they philosophically oppose. Legally not sure if it makes a difference but the optics are pretty bad when the group bringing the suit is unaware that members that they agree with are also in violation.
They have no standing to bring a complaint against Molly Linville. She isn’t on the planning commission as stated in the article and the elected school board position doesn’t violate the RCW which explicitly states you can’t be on a county, state or municipal elected or appointed position which a school district is neither of those three. Lorna Smith on the other hand was appointed by the county commissioners which is clearly in violation of the RCW.
Post by: bearpaw on March 08, 2023, 05:00:24 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/hunting-group-sues-wa-wildlife-commissioner-in-attempt-to-oust-them/
Maybe they can change the lawsuit to include any member serving on another commission rather than just singling out the member who they philosophically oppose. Legally not sure if it makes a difference but the optics are pretty bad when the group bringing the suit is unaware that members that they agree with are also in violation.
Unless you pay you can't read the story at that link. Maybe you can just tell us who else is in violation?
Post by: Rainier10 on March 08, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Molly Linville but both sides are debating the legitimacy of the claim against them.https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/hunting-group-sues-wa-wildlife-commissioner-in-attempt-to-oust-them/
Maybe they can change the lawsuit to include any member serving on another commission rather than just singling out the member who they philosophically oppose. Legally not sure if it makes a difference but the optics are pretty bad when the group bringing the suit is unaware that members that they agree with are also in violation.
Unless you pay you can't read the story at that link. Maybe you can just tell us who else is in violation?
Post by: bearpaw on March 08, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
Molly Linville but both sides are debating the legitimacy of the claim against them.https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/hunting-group-sues-wa-wildlife-commissioner-in-attempt-to-oust-them/
Maybe they can change the lawsuit to include any member serving on another commission rather than just singling out the member who they philosophically oppose. Legally not sure if it makes a difference but the optics are pretty bad when the group bringing the suit is unaware that members that they agree with are also in violation.
Unless you pay you can't read the story at that link. Maybe you can just tell us who else is in violation?
Thanks, hughjorgan made a post just before my post and I didn't read before posting, he made some some distinctions with each of the two commissioners, seems like apples and oranges?
Post by: saylean on March 08, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
Keep up the fight people.
Post by: actionshooter on March 08, 2023, 07:24:34 PM
More to come.:yeah:
Keep up the fight people.
Post by: hunter399 on March 08, 2023, 07:28:36 PM
Provided by the state.
Just asking for a friend. :chuckle:
Post by: pickardjw on March 08, 2023, 08:38:17 PM
More to come.
Keep up the fight people.
Let us know if there are any ways we can contribute individually Doug :rockin:
Post by: ghosthunter on March 08, 2023, 09:19:16 PM
Post by: actionshooter on April 04, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 05, 2023, 07:18:08 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 18, 2023, 07:39:11 AM
Oh God! This lawsuit better work.
"The lawsuit arrives as Smith stands to slide in as the new chair of the Wildlife Committee, following last week’s departure of hunter favorite Kim Thorburn, who was not reappointed to the commission by Inslee after her term officially expired at the end of 2022."
Be patient for a short while longer.
Post by: GASoline71 on April 18, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
Gary