Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 11:10:48 AM
The guys on foot complain about the guys on dirt bikes and quads. The guys on quads and dirt bikes complain about the guys on snowmobiles and tracked side by sides and the tracked guys complain about the tracked nuts that got there before them.
I’ve talked to them all and rather than taking responsibility for trespassing they just complain about the guys that were trespassing before them.
So frustrating especially for the guys doing it right, not trespassing, not driving motor vehicles on closed roads.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 02, 2024, 11:28:07 AM
Post by: dreadi on May 02, 2024, 11:48:43 AM
A shed hunting season wouldn’t fix the issue. There are already enough rules. No trespassing, no motor vehicles on closed roads, no entering the feed stations before May 1. We need more enforcement of the rules we have and need to prosecute those that break the rules.I know a guy who puts them on blast and they get a visit from a deputy. They don't return.
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Post by: LDennis24 on May 02, 2024, 11:55:55 AM
You know where I'm going with this... I'm sorry that you once again have to deal with trespassers who accidentally ignored your no trespassing signs and were just exercising their right to enter public lands. How many times a year would you guess hunters trespass on your property?
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 01:15:41 PM
I would say 4-5 guys every week during shed season, 3-4 times a day during hunting season and yes it is licensed hunters. They give the good guys a bad name for sure and when I say the good guys I mean the ones that just trespass through on foot not motor vehicle, without damaging property and cameras, or stealing sheds or poaching animals during and out of season.
That’s my new definition of a good guy, someone who just walks through my place without permission to be there.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 01:22:10 PM
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Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 01:24:59 PM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on May 02, 2024, 01:27:31 PM
Seems like you have a pretty level head when dealing with them. I would get extremely tired of it and start pushing the line. Probably do something like this....
Post by: HntnFsh on May 02, 2024, 01:27:56 PM
Post by: BreezyBear on May 02, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on May 02, 2024, 01:31:52 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 01:52:46 PM
Try the SpyHigh mounting system, won't stop a bullet, but most likely they won't see the cam.the one that got shot was 15’ up a tree.
Replaced it with a cell cam and they climbed the tree from behind, removed the batteries and chip, unhooked the camera and threw it in that frozen mud puddle
The best time to go in and out is under the cover of darkness. The red lights of the cameras are obvious at night.
Post by: 2MANY on May 02, 2024, 02:04:04 PM
Post by: yogru on May 02, 2024, 02:09:18 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on May 02, 2024, 02:10:23 PM
Why are trespassers targeting your property so heavily? Is it excluding access to public in some way or is it just the best access point? At the numbers you mention during season and shed season I’d be out there enforcing it myself, that would infuriate me.
Not to sound accusatory, or to insist you aren’t doing enough to stop them. I just don’t have the details to make sense of it and I know I would be losing my mind trying to keep people off my property.
Post by: 92xj on May 02, 2024, 02:28:24 PM
Post by: MADMAX on May 02, 2024, 02:35:08 PM
You don’t have to be exact but close to a big town name would be nice that way the rest of us can avoid such an area
Realistically, it doesn’t matter cause they do it everywhere
I understand that
Post by: GWP on May 02, 2024, 02:50:12 PM
I get that people want to be, or think they are ‘special’, but the constant disregard for ‘the rules’ is irritating. Particularly after talking to them about it over and over. The destruction of private property makes it worse.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 03:06:42 PM
Do you have your property well posted?:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Yes every 30-40 yards there is a sign of you are standing in front of one sign and look left you can see a sign and if you look right you can see a sign.
They are great for target practice.
Post by: 2MANY on May 02, 2024, 03:10:41 PM
Great Cougar hunting.
Kidding.
Signs are a good thought but don't work at my place either.
I've had great luck meeting trespassers with blind rage but a guy could get Killed using that technique as well.
Amazing how people can be so self serving.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 03:22:09 PM
I have had a county employee remove my signs because “he thought I had posted DNR land.” When questioned about it he called DNR and was told that years ago DNR did a land swap with a timber company and then the timber company sold me the land. He apologized for ripping my signs down.
The stories of abuse are never ending and people are shocked when private land gets closed.
Post by: zwickeyman on May 02, 2024, 03:36:54 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on May 02, 2024, 03:38:49 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on May 02, 2024, 03:43:14 PM
Be curious if a possibility to start having some actual punishment handed down.
We could start a go fund me :)
Everyone wants something done, how many would chip in?
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 03:57:36 PM
The cameras give me a great timeline and trespassers are on a decent schedule. Pictures didn’t work. They needed real time photos to catch them in the act.
Okay, cell cam goes up.
Hey I have a guy parked along road hiking in right now. Should be coming back out at 7:30pm. 10am next day enforcement shows up. Couldn’t get there the day before and of course 30 hours later the trespassers were long gone.
Post by: b0bbyg on May 02, 2024, 04:13:03 PM
The problem is enforcement officers and the lack of them.
The cameras give me a great timeline and trespassers are on a decent schedule. Pictures didn’t work. They needed real time photos to catch them in the act.
Okay, cell cam goes up.
Hey I have a guy parked along road hiking in right now. Should be coming back out at 7:30pm. 10am next day enforcement shows up. Couldn’t get there the day before and of course 30 hours later the trespassers were long gone.
Understood, wish state had more boots on ground.
That's why I was wondering if you could pay one to work an off day to just patrol/monitor a specific area. Was not sure if you could do that and if they would have all the same authority to fine, ticket, seize, arrest etc
Post by: Ironhead on May 02, 2024, 05:16:48 PM
I am lucky I guess, there are no roads on my place except the driveway to my house. Of course there are always the ones that sit on the public road with their rifle out the window scoping the Deer above my house.
I am sure you have thought about tank trapping the road but, that may ruin your access as well.
That sucks you are having that many trespassers.
Post by: jrebel on May 02, 2024, 05:25:12 PM
Sisters property has rural hwy frontage. It has been posted multiple times and the signs just get ripped down. I now have cameras and have caught a couple folks trespassing. It is really bad during turkey season as there are a lot of turkey in the area. It isn't a high priority for LEO in the area, so I just keep their pictures....one of these days I will catch them in the act and have a pile of pictures for LEO to make the case. I'm pretty positive a few of the guys are locals. If I can confirm, they will get one chance to apologize or I will post their picture at the local watering hole to let all the other locals know they are trespassers. Until I catch them, or confirm their identity.....their pictures will remain private. :tup:
Post by: bearhunter99 on May 02, 2024, 06:14:19 PM
The problem is enforcement officers and the lack of them.
The cameras give me a great timeline and trespassers are on a decent schedule. Pictures didn’t work. They needed real time photos to catch them in the act.
Okay, cell cam goes up.
Hey I have a guy parked along road hiking in right now. Should be coming back out at 7:30pm. 10am next day enforcement shows up. Couldn’t get there the day before and of course 30 hours later the trespassers were long gone.
That sucks. These people are scum of the earth in my opinion. I put up rope gates with ribbons on them every foot and three no trespassing signs on them. The rope had a simple latch on it so I can open it.... They cut the rope, tear the posts out of the ground, rip the signs up and leave them on the road, just trash. You can't do anything to them because then you are the bad guy even if they are breaking the law...
I have had a little success putting up dead cell cameras around the gate and then hiding some cell cameras back down the road to take long videos. I hide them as best I can with brush but so that they still work. Have caught a few destroying my property - but getting LEO to do anything about it is tough.
It is the same thing whether talking about shed hunting or anything else like gun laws. If they actually enforced the laws that are in place much of the problem would go away but they are too busy spending money on reintroducing wolves or grizzlies or some other lame brained idea than staffing areas appropriately. The game wardens are spread pretty thin with the areas they have to cover.
Post by: String Bender on May 02, 2024, 06:30:15 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2024, 09:34:31 PM
I had a neighbors guest shoot a deer on my place and swear that he didn’t. I said I had pics of it and he assured me I didn’t. Then I showed him the pictures of him opening the camera he saw and deleting the sd card not realizing there were two cameras.
Last year a guy shot a deer on my place. Swore it was on the road, I own both sides of the private road but that doesn’t matter, his girlfriend dropped her dab pen on my property not the road and the blood trail started 60 yards on my property and went a 1/4 mile through my property before he drug it off my property to the road.
I have fences gates signs cameras and it doesn’t matter it only keeps the honest people honest.
Post by: 2MANY on May 02, 2024, 10:18:32 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on May 03, 2024, 04:26:21 AM
Post by: zwickeyman on May 03, 2024, 05:51:22 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 03, 2024, 05:53:50 AM
Oh cmon Rainier10, I was blasted on the corner crossing thread for saying this kind of thing happens constantly. It rarely ever happens. Like almost never... They aren't trespassing, hunters don't act like that. We are a team and we need full unfettered access to all public lands at all times for any and all reasons. We are America!
You know where I'm going with this... I'm sorry that you once again have to deal with trespassers who accidentally ignored your no trespassing signs and were just exercising their right to enter public lands. How many times a year would you guess hunters trespass on your property?
Rainier, sorry this is happening to you, people suck for sure. Unfortunately these kind of things ALWAYS come along with owning land.......anywhere.
Dennis, FWIW, there is a HUGE difference(most would say) between folks wanting to hop a corner, compared to the happenings at Rainiers place.
Post by: 2MANY on May 03, 2024, 06:52:53 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2024, 07:08:16 AM
There are private roads going through my property, it was a timber company lot and they had a road system. There is an easement for DNR to use the road for logging operations but the easement specifically says not for public use. The DNR map shows the road as a non green dot road. They just don’t have the officers to monitor and enforce it. When the timber company owned it it was feel free to hunt. Now I own it and it by written permission only which we grant to a lot of people, mostly seniors and youth hunters.
Post by: hunter399 on May 03, 2024, 07:20:53 AM
A buddy told me that your allowed to retrieve wounded or downed game from private property.
If you shoot it on public and blood trail leads to private your allowed to retrieve it.
Is this true?
I've never hunted Idaho ,so don't throw the book at me.
Just a question.
Here in Washington
I've seen a property owner deny permission to retrieve game,then hang there tag on someones deer.
A many year ago.....
I shot a buck, blood trailed to private property line.
Buck went right down the line for awhile,then off into private.
Which at that point ,I stopped.
Tried to get permission,no one home,ect.
Yes I did the right thing,but it does tear me up.( Not knowing if I would of trespassed,could I recovered the buck)
With so many that trespass and get away with it.
Yes I know I should take better shots.
Stuff happens,deer turn at the shot,or wind or other factors you didn't account for.
I guess all I'm saying is, sometimes it's very hard to do the right thing. Very easy to do the wrong thing.
Some people just don't have it in them to do the right thing.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2024, 08:53:15 AM
He got close deer stood up and started walking away 150-200 yards. No limp, no blood. He shoots, drills it in the hind quarters, knocks it down. It gets back up, he shoots twice more and misses. He takes off after it and never finds it. I find it a couple months later in a wet creek bottom not far from where I saw him hit it.
Post by: GWP on May 03, 2024, 09:20:30 AM
This guy set up a paint bomb trap. If I remember it correctly he had warned the guy to stay out before this and had signs up.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 03, 2024, 09:32:07 AM
Post by: Buckjunkie on May 03, 2024, 10:41:21 AM
That is awesome.
100%
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2024, 11:21:50 AM
This guy set up a paint bomb trap. If I remember it correctly he had warned the guy to stay out before this and had signs up.
:chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on May 03, 2024, 01:19:14 PM
Oh cmon Rainier10, I was blasted on the corner crossing thread for saying this kind of thing happens constantly. It rarely ever happens. Like almost never... They aren't trespassing, hunters don't act like that. We are a team and we need full unfettered access to all public lands at all times for any and all reasons. We are America!
You know where I'm going with this... I'm sorry that you once again have to deal with trespassers who accidentally ignored your no trespassing signs and were just exercising their right to enter public lands. How many times a year would you guess hunters trespass on your property?
Rainier, sorry this is happening to you, people suck for sure. Unfortunately these kind of things ALWAYS come along with owning land.......anywhere.
Dennis, FWIW, there is a HUGE difference(most would say) between folks wanting to hop a corner, compared to the happenings at Rainiers place.
In my experience being in a similar situation it's not different. They do it (trespass) because they think they won't get caught and can just play stupid. So so many people play stupid and act like your being unreasonable when you confront them over this crap. I have repeatedly seen the same thing from people who get back onto a piece of public land that normally is inaccessible and suddenly they end up on private land. I have sat and watched people from a distance just to see if they will dare cross the property line, and more often than not, they get to the line, spend some time looking around for anyone who might see them, and then they cross the line and keep going, and when they get confronted they act like your the a-hole. Nothing anyone can type and post on the internet is going to convince me otherwise. Rainier10 knows its true also. It happens just as often as the guy who doesn't trespass. Quite possibly more trespassers than non trespassers most of the time.
Post by: boneaddict on May 03, 2024, 01:54:25 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on May 03, 2024, 04:33:36 PM
I see an incredible amount of instances in Idaho where private land owners abuse the public that’s adjacent to their land. The private guys that have turned the adjacent public into dirt bike tracks, gun ranges, and cattle grazing (actively in defiance of local law enforcement) is insane. Nothing more upsetting than having a hunt ruined by guys coming out to harass you because they think they own the public.
I grew up hunting the east coast were its only private, even the water (Virginia you can’t duck hunt within 500 yards of an established land owner blind. Miles and miles of river that are completely untouchable). Western folks definitely take their public land for granted in my opinion.
In the end it’s as simple as the old saying of do unto others. Don’t trespass on private property, don’t destroy or inhibit access to private. Easy day.
Post by: OutHouse on May 03, 2024, 05:07:07 PM
Post by: 300rum on May 04, 2024, 06:13:24 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 04, 2024, 06:54:54 AM
THank you
Post by: LDennis24 on May 04, 2024, 09:14:11 AM
I wouldn't buy property surrounded by government owned land. They always advertise that land bordering government land is somehow better but I think having private around you would be better.
I think it would depend on how much public land was around me. If it was a parcel on the edge of a vast amount of national forest then I would not mind it. But if it's an area like a few I hunt around I know I would be too frustrated to even be able to enjoy the property most of the time. Which is where I think Rainier10 is at with his property and all that's going on with it. Just over a sense of entitlement and some shed antlers? :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on May 04, 2024, 08:12:06 PM
To the east of me is a huge expanse of DNR but to get to it you have to go through private or access it from the east. My place used to be DNR then in a land swap western pacific timber ended up with it and then I bought it from WPT.
I also own a piece that borders national forest.
I will say that there are really good people out there too. Multiple people have done the work and reached out to ask about access. Two people reached out when I first bought the property. One had a long range target on my property he wanted to retrieve and the other one had game cameras that he wanted to retrieve.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 05, 2024, 07:41:52 AM
We need all the landowners like him we can get, most simply want to lock it up.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 05, 2024, 01:26:05 PM
The saying goes it’s what you do when nobody is looking.
I give permission to archery guys, muzzy guys, rifle guys and permit holders so there is somebody around most of the time.
You can’t watch all of the land all of the time. I’m too busy working to pay for it all, improving the habitat, teaching hunter ed and moderating the site. :chuckle:
It started out as 20 acres near the DNR and NF that I could base camp out of to hunt the public around. As vacant land went for sale next to me I would buy them to keep the land undeveloped, its winter range for deer and elk. The biggest issue facing wildlife is loss of habitat and I’m trying to do my part to help.
I didn’t want to be the guy that blocked access even though legally I can. I heavily posted my land do others would know it was under new ownership in hopes they would stay off mine and just move through to the tens of thousands of public land. I feel like the abuse is getting worse and I know I’m starting to get real frustrated with it.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2024, 04:33:59 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on May 05, 2024, 05:06:23 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on May 05, 2024, 05:28:43 PM
“Enforcement”
Post by: Rainier10 on May 05, 2024, 06:32:37 PM
Like I say the people trespassing through are what I call the good ones.
I now pack a pustule with me everywhere. These cameras are on my property in some pretty remote places. I have no idea what they are doing that they don’t want to be on camera for or what they would do to me. I’m also a little worried about what I would do if I came across them.
So frustrating to get to a camera following cat tracks and come up on a missing camera not being able to see what was walking by.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 05, 2024, 06:35:05 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2024, 05:19:22 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 06, 2024, 08:09:51 AM
One word
“Enforcement”
:yeah:
I can catch the trespassers I deal with, LEO is a half hour away dealing with some s-bag who just beat up his girl friend cuz she took the last hit of fentanyl... again, cuz he was at that same house last week for the same reason, prosecutor is busy with the same issues so when you call the cops and say a guy is walking in your forest with a deer antler in his hand they want to just hang up. LEO is spread so thin they simply cannot handle all the non violent crimes so alot of them get warning after warning after warning and it goes unpunished. There needs to be a mandatory monetary fine for it. No deferment after the first warning. You have to pay. My comment about non violent crimes vs violent and domestic crimes is no joke either. If you ever want to know why Spokane is such a shirehole look at the size of the jail and how full it is on a regular basis. There is not enough room for the criminals in the area to be housed. So if it's a crime such as theft or damaging property etc, then the person is quickly run through the court and given a future court date and then immediately released back onto the street. The jail is filled with all the pedos, violent drug offenders, domestic violence rapists, assaulters etc. And they refuse to build a larger jail to house more criminals. That's why you see news articles about people with 14 felonies who finally get caught committing murder or something extreme and they finally get put away. They do not have time for people who walked across your property. It's sickening.
Post by: hunter399 on May 06, 2024, 08:47:05 AM
I'll never build,it will stay set aside for wildlife.
You'll always have permission to hunt,will put that into a contract.
I'll take care of your trespass problem.(Joking)
Seriously now ...
That's what a lot of timber companies our doing by problem gates.
They sell all the land by the gate,turn there property into landlocked land. You could sell an acre or two to someone at the gate.
Let them build a permanent residence. They pretty much protect your now landlocked land. With just being there all the time.
Post by: ganghis on May 06, 2024, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2024, 01:09:54 PM
See photo, blue lines are where the fencing is along the road. Red line is property line. Above is DNR below is my property. OnX shows the gate notation on the property line but in reality gate is clearly on my property. There are survey markers and a definite row of trees right at the red property line where the loggers marked when they logged DNR first and then my property years later.
Worst part of the county guy ripping down the signs is he has my phone number. I had given him permission to take a wounded warrior elk hunting on my place. Told him he was free to hunt anything with my orange signs on it so he knew he was ripping down my sign. When called out for it he contacted DNR and they told him that’s a private gate not on DNR land. We could have easily had a conversation about it, if he didn’t believe me he could call DNR and confirm I was right and not torn my sign down and thrown it in the bushes.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 07, 2024, 07:05:59 AM
Post by: bornhunter on May 07, 2024, 09:07:08 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 07, 2024, 09:10:58 AM
Rainier you ever need someone to hang out and keep eyes on your property give me a shout. Would just be there to let people know where they can and cant go. I am the guy who sent you that photo of a no trespassing sign on my property with a BPA easement. Took me about ten years to finally get the point across to people that BPA lines run across private land. Spent a lot of time sitting at access points on opening days and talking with people. Of course it helped being in a Sheriff's Office patrol vehicle from where I was employed for 31 years. :chuckle:
So do you still have the vehicle? That would help! :chuckle:
Post by: HntnFsh on May 07, 2024, 09:49:53 AM
Rainier you ever need someone to hang out and keep eyes on your property give me a shout. Would just be there to let people know where they can and cant go. I am the guy who sent you that photo of a no trespassing sign on my property with a BPA easement. Took me about ten years to finally get the point across to people that BPA lines run across private land. Spent a lot of time sitting at access points on opening days and talking with people. Of course it helped being in a Sheriff's Office patrol vehicle from where I was employed for 31 years. :chuckle:
So do you still have the vehicle? That would help! :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on May 07, 2024, 12:17:50 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 07, 2024, 12:33:29 PM
That's how you fix the problem Rainer10! You're gonna have to watch the government auctions and buy the next game wardens pickup that comes through and during hunting season park it in random spots along your property and the DNR ground. Your gonna have to hire someone to move it regularly though but atleast you can deter the criminals until one of them steals the entire truck!You know they would actually arrest me for impersonating an officer right? :chuckle: That’s how it works, the good guy gets arrested for trying to stop the bad guys. :bash:
Post by: dilleytech on May 08, 2024, 02:07:53 PM
Not justifying anything anyone is doing there, but I do think one of the contributing factors is that it once was open. I can’t tell you how many sheds I found there in the past, before shed hunting became a money sport. I think people get in their head their own entitlement of “ownership” of a spot. I went a canyon or two over last year on a fluke and was shocked at the amount of private property and loss of access. I just turned around and came home. Others, not so much……
I have been shedding hunting deep into a spot and encountered a new rope fence with signs. I opened onX and there’s no private property listed. Still just timber company. But I was out of cell service and the maps I was looking at were a couple years old that I downloaded. Accidents happen. Then there’s the intentional trespassing described above.
If I shot an animal legally on public land and it ran onto private land and died. I know what I would do. I would take My chances. Right or wrong I feel morally obligated to not waste wild game.
Post by: hunter399 on May 08, 2024, 06:05:12 PM
Not justifying anything anyone is doing there, but I do think one of the contributing factors is that it once was open. I can’t tell you how many sheds I found there in the past, before shed hunting became a money sport. I think people get in their head their own entitlement of “ownership” of a spot. I went a canyon or two over last year on a fluke and was shocked at the amount of private property and loss of access. I just turned around and came home. Others, not so much……
I have been shedding hunting deep into a spot and encountered a new rope fence with signs. I opened onX and there’s no private property listed. Still just timber company. But I was out of cell service and the maps I was looking at were a couple years old that I downloaded. Accidents happen. Then there’s the intentional trespassing described above.
If I shot an animal legally on public land and it ran onto private land and died. I know what I would do. I would take My chances. Right or wrong I feel morally obligated to not waste wild game.
So......
You wouldn't try to obtain permission first.
What if your animal went through multiple properties.
How many trespass charges are worth a deer.
What if there is multiple hunting blinds on the private property.
Is it even worth the time to ask for permission,they would probably just deny permission ,lie,and keep your deer.
Not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
I guess all I'm saying is ,a lot different hunting situation.
A lot of different folks out there that might do things differently.
A lot might do it the same....who knows.
I know a few property owners ,if you ask they'll help you find it.
If there home,you didn't ask you'll get nothing.They catch you in there backyard it's not gonna turn out well.
Post by: bornhunter on May 08, 2024, 09:47:31 PM
Rainier you ever need someone to hang out and keep eyes on your property give me a shout. Would just be there to let people know where they can and cant go. I am the guy who sent you that photo of a no trespassing sign on my property with a BPA easement. Took me about ten years to finally get the point across to people that BPA lines run across private land. Spent a lot of time sitting at access points on opening days and talking with people. Of course it helped being in a Sheriff's Office patrol vehicle from where I was employed for 31 years. :chuckle:
So do you still have the vehicle? That would help! :chuckle:
Nope, had to turn it in darn it.
Post by: bigtex on May 08, 2024, 10:15:28 PM
We need more enforcement of the rules we have and need to prosecute those that break the rules.I've said it many times before, the problem with WA's trespassing laws is that they are actually too tough. Now before you erupt let me explain.
In WA any misdemeanor (or gross misdemeanor) requires a mandatory court appearance. Up until 2012 many natural resource misdemeanors could be handled by paying a fine (known as bail forfeiture) without appearing in court, and the vast majority of people simply paid their fine. Going way back (decades) many misdemeanors could be handled by paying a bail forfeiture. When bail forfeiture went away in 2012 (thank you WA Supreme Court) it meant you had to get prosecutor support (and time) for every misdemeanor case, so is the prosecutor going to take the fish snagging case or the DUI? The closed season deer case or the DV assault case? Thru the years WDFW has gone to the legislature and asked that they decriminalize many wildlife offenses turning them from crimes into infractions (similar to a traffic ticket.) Infractions don't go to a prosecutor and instead are directly filed with the court.
Just this year the timber industry went to the legislature and asked that most dumping offenses be turned from crimes to infractions. Reason being a guy who litters a pop can got a $103 ticket but the guy who emptied 30 garbage bags on the side of the road didn't get prosecuted because it's a misdemeanor. That has now changed.
So back to the original point of this response. Since criminal trespass 2nd degree (trespassing on someone's land) is a misdemeanor, most prosecutors don't even consider filing charges in these cases. Because again, are you going to spend the time on the DUI prosecution or the dirt biker trespassing on Joe's property? What needs to happen is the legislature needs to enact a trespass law that is an infraction that allows LEOs to simply cite someone with a ticket, and not have to deal with misdemeanor charges. :twocents:
Post by: 2MANY on May 08, 2024, 10:48:23 PM
The problem is getting the LEO to show up timely in the first place.
Post by: b0bbyg on May 08, 2024, 11:19:58 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on May 09, 2024, 07:17:14 AM
You always bring valuable info to the forum.
I really appreciate the factual information you share.
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Post by: Platensek-po on May 16, 2024, 02:44:57 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 16, 2024, 02:47:10 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on May 16, 2024, 02:47:53 PM
If not wearing your seatbelt is a $150 dollar ticket then trespassing should be at least twice that. Then it should escalate with each consecutive incident. Would be nice to see some of that fine go back to the landowners who were the victims of the trespassing or dumping. If you have to get new signs or fencing or etc that should be paid by the trespasser as restitution.
Also if caught trespassing while hunting after multiple instances a suspension of hunting privileges and retaking of hunters ed should be a requirement :twocents:
Post by: Platensek-po on May 16, 2024, 02:49:27 PM
My guess is after you get to a certain dollar figure it can’t just be a ticket that the courts don’t get involved in. @bigtex might know what that line is before it goes to a prosecutor.
That could be and sounds right. Might be other punishments available like suspension of hunting licenses, community service etc?
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2024, 09:03:49 PM
My guess is after you get to a certain dollar figure it can’t just be a ticket that the courts don’t get involved in. @bigtex might know what that line is before it goes to a prosecutor.Has nothing to do with the fine but rather the classification of the offense (infraction, misdemeanor, etc.) Prosecutors handle misdemeanors and felonies. Infractions (simple tickets) are not handled by prosecutors and are just filed directly with the court and the defendant can immediately pay without seeing a judge.
There are several different types of infractions in WA including traffic, natural resource, and class 1, 2, 3, and 4 civil infractions. All of these have minimums and maximums written into law, however the legislature can (and has) write into law a higher fine for a specific offense(s). A perfect example are agricultural offenses which actually have the highest infraction fines in the state with some over $10,000 (repeat offenses).