Post by: tbrady on September 30, 2009, 06:06:58 PM
Ok, I know everyone believes that the Remington Model 700s are the most accurate factory built rifle... :o but, I was curious what else is out there that is just as good and in the same price range.
I've been a loyal Remington owner for a long time but after discontinuing the 5mm and the 300saum I've about had it with them! This is the first time I've seriously started looking for a rifle by someone else. <sniff>
thanks guys
tim
Post by: huntnphool on September 30, 2009, 06:11:03 PM
Post by: deerslyr on September 30, 2009, 06:17:39 PM
Post by: Straight Shooter on September 30, 2009, 06:19:06 PM
Ok, I know everyone believes that the Remington Model 700s are the most accurate factory built rifle...
Don't know about that. There are a lot of Savage, Tikka, and Howa fans out there.
Post by: elkaholic123 on September 30, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
3 shots 3 hits!140gr Nosler Accubond handloads! :twocents:
Post by: MuleySniper on September 30, 2009, 06:21:07 PM
Post by: NWBREW on September 30, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
Post by: Huntbear on September 30, 2009, 06:46:46 PM
Secondly, you did not say how much you want to spend for an out of box rifle. There are various levels of many rifles, with the most expensive, being the best built and nicest to look at (usually). I hear Nosler's custom rifles shoot the lights out, but for the money they want, they better.
Post by: batch on September 30, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on September 30, 2009, 06:56:58 PM
Hands down tikka...+1 :)
Post by: Curly on September 30, 2009, 06:58:23 PM
Post by: gasman on September 30, 2009, 06:59:54 PM
Bought mine 16 years ago and still use it regularly for hunting and target shooting.
Package deal, $350 for a .270 with scope, sling, and hard case. Just needed to buy a box of shells on my way out the door and to the range.
Post by: tbrady on September 30, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on September 30, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on September 30, 2009, 07:07:15 PM
Post by: Curly on September 30, 2009, 07:09:45 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on September 30, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Post by: NWBREW on September 30, 2009, 07:47:50 PM
All I can say is stay remmy. All American steel.
:yeah: Right on brother. Rem. 700........I don't think you could go wrong with that.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 30, 2009, 07:51:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 30, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
a rifle won't be accurate till you have it scoped and dialed in...till then it's a matter of how consistent it shoots.
a weatherby vanguard is guaranteed 1.5" at 100 yards out of the box using premium ammo. a sub-moa vanguard is under 1" guaranteed. you can buy a guaranteed 1.5" out of the box vanguard for $400.00 brand new.
Post by: tbrady on September 30, 2009, 08:40:51 PM
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I just don't get the question. It will only shoot as good as you can sight it in because most rifles don't come with scopes. If they do it is still up to you to sight it in and practice. Face it, it is 2009 and technology allows for every manufacturer to build excellent guns. The big difference is how a comfortable a firearm feels to you
I don't agree. One of the reasons I've been so loyal to Remington is they are usually very accurate out of the box. I've had 3 different Remingtons (2 model 700s and a model 7) and all three of them shoot 1" or less groups at a 100 yards. Granted, the model 7 couldn't get a group under 2" when I first got it, I sent it back to remington and they checked it out and agreed it should/could do better. They did some work (for free) and sent it back with a target that had 3 holes touching each other. (They said it was at 100 yards but who knows, they might have pulled one over on me!).
Anyway, I believe there is a difference in factory rifles. Both in how accurate they are from the factory, and how amenable they are to accurizing.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 30, 2009, 09:16:13 PM
Post by: ribka on September 30, 2009, 09:25:35 PM
Remintong are good with trigger jobs, but prefer mauser actions
Have a Tika too. Can't beat for the money. Hate the cheap stocks plastic mags and trigger guards. Just seems cheap
Post by: Rick on September 30, 2009, 09:30:41 PM
You can get a Weatherby with the same guarantee,but it'll run you 2x what the Tikka will.
The Tikka also has an incredible trigger right out of the box. The Tikka trigger can also be adjusted by the average joe without any special tools.
Mine breaks right at 3 lbs without a hint of creep. It snaps like a glass rod.
Of course you may luck into another brand that does 1" or better,or you may get a lemon.
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 30, 2009, 09:40:34 PM
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Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 01, 2009, 06:50:05 AM
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Post by: Hillbilly270 on October 01, 2009, 07:26:43 AM
Post by: haugenna on October 01, 2009, 07:34:39 AM
shoot-em-dead, the question is a valid one. There are rifles that are known for being accurate right from the factory while others require a trigger job, bedding, etc. to get them to shoot accurately.
I would argue that the Remingtons are the least accurate out of the box for the average shooter. Accuracy comes from a series of events leading up to trigger pull and going on from there. IMO the trigger pull is set way to heavy on Remingtons.
I understand that the gun is still accurate, more accurate than the shooter's ability, but the trigger pull on it makes it more difficult to be "out of the box" accurate for the average shooter.
PS. I own a Remmy and would buy another one in a heart beat.
Post by: HUNT on October 01, 2009, 08:07:02 AM
My stock trigger is 2 1/2 lbs and breaks like glass. Sub MOA groups.
shoot-em-dead, the question is a valid one. There are rifles that are known for being accurate right from the factory while others require a trigger job, bedding, etc. to get them to shoot accurately.
I would argue that the Remingtons are the least accurate out of the box for the average shooter. Accuracy comes from a series of events leading up to trigger pull and going on from there. IMO the trigger pull is set way to heavy on Remingtons.
I understand that the gun is still accurate, more accurate than the shooter's ability, but the trigger pull on it makes it more difficult to be "out of the box" accurate for the average shooter.
PS. I own a Remmy and would buy another one in a heart beat.
Post by: addicted on October 01, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
Post by: NWBREW on October 01, 2009, 09:23:29 AM
Post by: thinkingman on October 01, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
CZ blued walnut guns look nicest, Tikka for light weight.
Remmies have their fans, but you're really buying a starting point and expect to spend $ to make it compete with those listed above.
Rugers don't even get in the competion and I've owned 3 of them.
Browning, no experience.
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
Lots of opinions on makes and models, far to many shoorters buy what they are told is the "best" most accurate gun and think it will imporve there shooting ability when in fact most guns that dont shoot well are not the true problem, improper cleaning, care and bullet selection can cause groups to open up.
Buying the most accurate gun you think is out there wont make you shoot better, shooting alot makes you shoot better.
Browning or a Roy is my opinion, tikkas/Howas?? sure they shoot good, Rem 700? ok, my old model 70 in 30-06 is scarry accurate and my remington .244 from the early 60's shoots just as good as some new "most accurate" stuff out there..
Post by: MtnMuley on October 01, 2009, 11:43:25 AM
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2009, 12:14:02 PM
I own Remingtons, Tikkas, CZs, and Rugers. I'm working on my first Browning. I'd have to say that all of them shoot good. Good enough to take any game at less than 500 yards. I have never shot any game over 350 anyway. I prefer to get closer. I don't need hair splitting accuracy. Ultimately when the choices come (aside from caliber) I usually go with my Remington 700. Not because it get's the tightest groupings but because it feels solid. That's not to say other rifles are no good or not as good. I just like that solid feeling in their rifles. Yes, they are sometimes a tank to drag around in the high country but I can live with it. Maybe you should try a Browning if they carry the rifle in your caliber. They are real good rifles.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 01, 2009, 12:20:19 PM
Yes, they are sometimes a tank to drag around in the high country but I can live with it.
Well said.
Post by: Rgrady35 on October 01, 2009, 12:28:49 PM
Post by: NWBREW on October 01, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
I bought the wife a savage Wal-Mart special in .243. That thing is a very well shooting rifle, I am quite impressed with the accuracy. For under 400.00 with scope, I find it hard to beat.
Thats a decent price for a decent rifle. I agree....hard to beat for the price.
Post by: Woodchuck on October 01, 2009, 12:37:02 PM
Most every quality rifle out there today that you buy off the rack will shoot better than the person behind the stock will ever get it to do, accuracy is best measured from a gun vice, then find out how "accurate" you are with gun.
very well said and absolutely true, my old ruger is capable of way more than me
Post by: woodswalker on October 01, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
I also have several vintage Winchesters (1938...) that shoot well..and a pile of Remingtons in a variety of calibers that do well untouched. Have a Stevens (Savage) that shoots well out fo the box with BALL ammo....M-80 Ball no less. And a Savage Scout that is good for 1" groups at 100 if i can do my part with the scout mounted scope.
So its more the shooter than the machine...tho there is SOME variation I think that most shoot better than the shooters.
Post by: tlbradford on October 01, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 01, 2009, 01:27:07 PM
:yeah: :bfg:All I can say is stay remmy. All American steel.
:yeah: Right on brother. Rem. 700........I don't think you could go wrong with that.
Sorry, :sry: probably not much help for your original question, but I'd stick with Rem.
Post by: tbrady on October 01, 2009, 04:55:17 PM
Again, thanks for all the replies :). The Tikka looks like a great value and a good shooter... After deer season I'll probably sell the 300saum and get one.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
Post by: S.O.B on October 01, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
Best bang for the buck? My vote goes to the stellar Rem 770! Laffin
I thought you were a 710 guy
Post by: GoPlayOutside on October 01, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
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Post by: Bigshooter on October 02, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Post by: sako223 on October 02, 2009, 05:46:16 PM
For myself accuracy starts with a barrel, stiff action, good bolt, design of stock, balance, length of pull, and very important trigger pull & quality.
Many guys buy a favorite brand then go to work on it. I prefer to buy clean & shoot.
I have purchased most every brand in many models. With some fun and much frustration I was delighted to find Tikka as an affordable performer with easy operation.
I do prefer my Sakos that are wonderful in every way, they just cost more.
Stepping up, most guys never get to run the bolt or shoot a Sig Sauer. Everyone that does drools as the bolt closes just by tipping the gun. It has an unbelievable trigger, able to place the first two shots touching year after year.
After acquiring these guns I was happy to get rid of all the others.
Now in no way am I saying your gun is no good just that these gun make me look good by performing as advertised.
Post by: VANANATOR on October 02, 2009, 06:00:06 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 02, 2009, 06:20:32 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 02, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
But if it feels like a club how well will you shoot in the field?
I am NOT picking on Savage, I am just saying that accuracy from a vise and accuracy shooting quickly in the field are very different things.
Carl
Post by: actionshooter on October 02, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
For out of the box accuracy for a off the shelf production rifle, I go with Savage also, and I don't own one.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 02, 2009, 08:24:02 PM
Defiantly not Ruger. I will second the Sig and Savage.Funny you mention that. I own and hunt with many Rugers, but have done extensive work to all.
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 02, 2009, 08:28:14 PM
Post by: addicted on October 04, 2009, 06:43:31 AM
Post by: Chopaka81 on October 04, 2009, 09:37:03 PM
The 2nd best is from a Mauser Model 3000 in 7mm Rem Mag.
The 3rd best was from a Rem M700 Custom Kevlar Mountian Rifle in 280 Rem.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: addicted on October 04, 2009, 11:23:09 PM
The best out of the box accuracy I have gotten is from a Tikka T3 Lite in 270 Win.
The 2nd best is from a Mauser Model 3000 in 7mm Rem Mag.
The 3rd best was from a Rem M700 Custom Kevlar Mountian Rifle in 280 Rem.
Just my :twocents:
it's good to be specific in what you like lol very very specific.
Post by: ing on October 07, 2009, 07:03:18 AM
Post by: CastleRocker on October 07, 2009, 09:31:36 PM
I think with the right load, all the current model rifles will shoot well. The question remains, which ones can you afford, and which feels right to you.
It was mentioned to read about the new models in the gun magazines. I used to get a magazine called "Gun Tests". They don't have any sponsors paying a lot of money to advertise in their pages, so you won't have any editorially biased views. Just the facts. It's a spendy publication, (because they don't sell advertising space), but worth it in my opinion.
Post by: Kent Hunter on October 08, 2009, 04:42:03 AM
Post by: NataSS on October 08, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
The rifles that are produced today are more accurate than 99% of the people holding them. Some rifles "feel" better than others but as far as accuracy its all about the same. To really compare you have to take 2 different rifles of the same caliber, with identical ammo, put them on a bench block and completely remove ALL human interaction with the rifle and shoot. If both of them make one nice hole in the paper but one is in the black, center mass and the other is just outside the black but has an identical size hole, is one more accurate than the other....IMO, no. One just needs a little more fine tuning. Most people will be shocked to find out that in a controlled environment a "cheap rifle" will perform just as an "expensive" rifle out of the box.
Most of the problems I have with accuracy have always boiled down to the ammo. Premium ammo tends to net more consistant results where as say the "bargain bulk box" has alot more "flyers". Hand loading is the best way to ensure maximum consitancy.
There are always companies that will do little extra things here and there to the rifles they produce to bring consistancy levels higher. Bedding, triggers, heavier barrels to dissapate heat, crowning, adjustable cheek pieces on the stocks, better optics. A good rifle shop will "fit" the rifle to the person. This is all about helping the shooter be more accurate, and not the rifle.
But no matter what you do to a rifle, it will never fix an untrained shooter. You can give the finest handmade, custom built tac driver on earth to an uneducated shooter and he couldnt hit the broad side of a barn form 100yds. what it takes is someone that knows how to slow down, relax and use the basic fundementals of shooting.
Since I left the Corps. I am no longer worried about hitting something the size of an apricot at 300yds. Now as long as I know the physiology of the animal I am after and know where its main pump housing group is at, its not getting away from me. The trick is forcing your brain to slow down and THINK when that massive B&C world record bull elk comes over the ridge and smiles at you.
After the basic fundamentals are handled, quality ammo it comes down to math, air temp, humidity...all the fun stuff.
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Post by: KimberRich on October 08, 2009, 11:01:33 AM
Cooper Firearms, but they are a little more.I've had great luck with my Rugers as well. :twocents:
A little more??? Not sure which 700 he is talking about but I would say double the price as a minimum. :dunno: But the Cooper's are amazing guns.
The higher end 700's like the CDL are like $800 now aren't they? Correct me if I'm wrong (Don't even have to ask because I know someone will! :chuckle:) but you can buy a Kimber for around $900 and it's a better gun all around. Match grade barrel, prettier wood, way better trigger, shoots tight groups in my experience, and weighs 2 pounds less. No brainer. :twocents:
Post by: Bofire on October 08, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
Carl
Post by: WildfireArcher on October 08, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
Post by: Jamieb on October 08, 2009, 04:42:38 PM
I dont own a single rifle that didn't at least get a trigger job. I'm pretty hard to please when it comes to accuracy so when I buy a new rifle I just figure its going to need some tinkering. The only thing I did to my Tikka is adjust the trigger and worked up a load(very easy)
The Remingtons and Savages I have all got bedding/bbl floating and trigger adjustments but thats all the work they needed. I've never seen a rifle shoot worse after bedding so I bed every rifle before I even mount a scope. A few of the thin bbled rifles I have got the entire bbl chanel bedded.
Post by: Rick on October 09, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
This is one of those topics that most including me cant give a unbiased opinion, we all have our favorites.
Everybody has their favorites,that doesn't mean they're right. The question was "the most accurate hunting rifle out of the box". There has been a lot of "I have a Ruger and its a tackdriver",or I have a Winchester and I can hit a gnats ass at 500yds".
There will always be the chance that the rifle you buy will be highly accurate. There is also the chance you get a lemon that won't shoot less than 3" groups.
What happens if you get that lemon? You're basically SOL.
I voted for Tikka rifles. They have the MOA or better guarantee. The only other manufacturer to come close is Weatherby sub-MOA.
Until a manufacturer comes up with a better guarantee than Tikka or Weatherby, you'd have to say that they're the most accurate rifle out of the box.
Post by: Holg3107 on October 09, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
Post by: Buckmark on October 09, 2009, 10:17:12 AM
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I have a Winchester and I can hit a gnats ass at 500yds".
What kinda scope do you use to see a gnats ass at 500yds?? :chuckle:
Post by: haugenna on October 09, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
I have a Winchester and I can hit a gnats ass at 500yds".
What kinda scope do you use to see a gnats ass at 500yds?? :chuckle:
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I think Hubble makes one :chuckle:
Post by: Crunchy on October 09, 2009, 09:21:28 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 10, 2009, 09:54:44 AM
Carl
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Post by: KimberRich on October 13, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
:)Its all opinion and personal experience, You obviously like them but I would not own a Kimber or Cooper either for that matter. Neither one impresses me and yes I have shot them. Savage makes a great barrel but to me its kinda like a cummins in a dodge truck, what a waste. :chuckle:
Carl
Can't just make a statement like that and not say why??? :dunno:
Why wouldn't you own the Kimber or Cooper?? They are to much money? Not high quality enough? If their products don't impress you what does? Maybe there is something out there that I don't know about and I would love to check it out.
Post by: Bofire on October 13, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
To me they both "almost" do it, but for the money there are better guns. I'll take a factory Sako over either.
Dont take me wrong, the rifles are just not for me, if you like them Cool!
Carl
Post by: sako223 on October 13, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
The Coopers look nice and shoot good But do they send targets shot under 50 yards, leading you to believe it is shot at 100 yards. Some models are single shots anyway. Alot of money for for what then.
The Sako will perform equally with a longer track record of performance, also backed by Beretta. Their service treated me very well on a magazine where they paid freight both ways to make sure it was right. Then they took care of me no questions for stainless sling swivels. Have to say I like my Tikka's too.
But the rifle that I will hold above them all is the Sig. Every point on these is superior.Just beautiful to look at and a dream to operate. Don't try it because you will be ruined forever.
This all sounds too much like the auto manufacturing business. Amercan makers going broke needing bailed out while the foreign companies are still humming along.
Post by: KimberRich on October 14, 2009, 11:12:13 AM
To each their own.
Post by: addicted on October 15, 2009, 08:01:13 AM
I understand not wanting to shoot an ultra light rifle in a 300 mag caliber for obvious recoil reasons but in a .270 or smaller why not??
the worse kick i ever felt was froma .270. I think that was handloads but i'm not sure. I'd have to ask smdave. It completely changed the comfort of shooting that particular rifle with a new recoil pad.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 20, 2009, 11:51:27 PM
I understand not wanting to shoot an ultra light rifle in a 300 mag caliber for obvious recoil reasons but in a .270 or smaller why not??
the worse kick i ever felt was froma .270. I think that was handloads but i'm not sure. I'd have to ask smdave. It completely changed the comfort of shooting that particular rifle with a new recoil pad.
Another reason to buy a Remington. R3 Recoil pads. Right outta da box...
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Post by: Alchase on October 28, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
I also love my M77 MII Ruger in 7mm mag, it did not come with that better then MOA guarantee, but it shoots MOA.
My point is that there are a few guns that shoot very good out of the box. Some also shoot great. But unless you spend the range time determining which bullet that particular gun likes to shoot, MOA out of the box means nothing accept that under those specific circumstances, with that particular bullet, and that shooter, it will shoot MOA. Once you find the "magic" bullet combination, you then move off the bench and practice the same way you will be hunting.
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Post by: addicted on November 05, 2009, 12:40:24 AM
Post by: Alchase on November 06, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
If you want an accurate gun out of the box, buy a savage. My advice is buy a pawnshop beeter Rem 700 and take it to Ron at Benchark Barrels in Silvana. The barrel and install will run you about $500, but it will be the most accurate rifle you have ever seen. My 300 win mag shoots under 1/4 minute out to about 700 yards and under 1/2 minute out to 1000 yards
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Calculating Minute of Angle
The angle of an arc is expressed in number of degrees. There are 360 degrees of arc to a full circle. Each degree consists of 60 minutes of arc. The distance covered by the measure of arc is relative to the circumference (total distance around the circle) it is contained within. Knowing the radius (distance to center of circle) circumference is easily calculated by using the constant pi . The ratio (represented by pi ) of circumference is constant to diameter (radius x 2) regardless of circle size. The precise value of pi is so far unknown to man but is normally resolved to 3.1416 or 3.141 for our purposes.
Suppose a circle with a 6 inch radius. Circumference can be calculated as:
circumference = (radius x 2) x pi
circumference = (6 x 2) x 3.1416
circumference = 12 x 3.1416
circumference = 37.6992 inches
The distance covered by 1 degree of angle (37.6992 / 360 or, circumference divided by 360 degrees) is 0.1047 inch at 6 inches from center of circle.
And, 1 minute of angle represents (0.1047 / 60 or, 1 degree divided by 60 minutes) 0.001745 inch at 6 inches from center of circle.
Knowing what MOA represents allows us to calculate its value to any distance.
Six inches (the radius of the above example) is 1/600th of 100 yards: (100 yards x 36 inches) / 6 inches = 600
Therefore, the value of MOA at 100 yards is 1.047 inches (0.001745 x 600 = 1.047)
At 50 yards 1/2 the 100 yard value; 70% @ 70 yards; twice @ 200 yards; 6 times @ 600 yards; and so on.
So, the difference between thinking in inches as opposed to MOA is 0.47 inch @ 1000 yards.
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Light Gun Score, six-target Agg---276
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Post by: jeepasaurusrex on November 06, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
We had to lean that in the Army.
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Post by: Alchase on November 09, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
for hunting what's more important, a 3 or 5 shot "group" or a one shot cold bore shot that's dead on? being able to group is great for winning beers at the range, but as the barrel heats is it really an accurate representation of hunting? An accurate hunting rifle should be able to consistently be able to put the first cold bore shot in the same spot. IMO. That being said the only brand new rifle I've bought was my 270 Allen Mag. It shoots .5 moa all day long, but not exactly the kind of rifle we're talking about here... :chuckle:
Here is my take on your question,
If you have the capability to shoot good 5 shot groups consistently, that would lead one to believe that you have researched the possible bullet/load combination that shoots the best in your weapon and practiced often enough to get to that point. This would also increase the chances of making an "accurate cold bore first shot".
So you could say one can lead to the other.
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Post by: fishcrazy on November 10, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
I read the cold bore shot crap all the time. If a rifles bedding is done right, the action is stress free, and the bbl is free floated or in some cases neutrally bedded then a rifle will shoot to the same point of impact cold, warm, or hot. If the point of impact changes as the bbl warms up then there's a bedding or floating problem.
:yeah:
Buy a cheap used Rem 700. Take it to a good gun smith and have a custom barrel put on and maybe a good stock and trigger job. Have it biult to fit you. Then it will out shoot you on yer best day. It really don't cost that much. Probably about what you would pay for one of them ugly Tikka rifles. :chuckle:
Kris
Post by: Alchase on November 11, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
I read the cold bore shot crap all the time. If a rifles bedding is done right, the action is stress free, and the bbl is free floated or in some cases neutrally bedded then a rifle will shoot to the same point of impact cold, warm, or hot. If the point of impact changes as the bbl warms up then there's a bedding or floating problem.
I agree, I have had a ton more "fifth shot flyers" then cold bore differences.
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