Post by: blackhorn on February 12, 2010, 11:32:19 AM
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Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 11:46:23 AM
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Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
Get a manual trans not the automatic.
And make it a 2003-2006.
The 98.5 to 2002 model years have issues with the injection pump failing and it's a pricey fix.
Make sure whatever you do, buy Fleetgard or equal fuel filters in 2 micron. The crap that's left behind in the refinement of diesel is a killer on injectors, particularly what is refered to as the common rail fuel delivery systems in 2003 and up dodges and all Duramax's.
Dodge has it's front end issues. Ball joints, axle shaft u-joints, trac bar issues. There are tons of good aftermarket parts that replace these that seem to stand up better than OEM stuff.
Post by: wastickslinger on February 12, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
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Post by: KimberRich on February 12, 2010, 11:53:39 AM
8 pages...guaranteed...
:yeah:
Post by: wrangler on February 12, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
Post by: blackhorn on February 12, 2010, 11:56:48 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 11:57:00 AM
Wow.. You're opening a can of worms here. Gunna get plenty of "my Ford Rules" and "chevy sucks"... Every one of the Diesel trucks have good and bads. I personally would like a Ford Body with the Cummins motor and a Allison Tranny behind it..
Yup!!!!
Post by: Skillet on February 12, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
8 pages...guaranteed...
:chuckle:
I'll throw in there I have an '06 F250 with the 6.0 liter. Not as troublesome as some I've heard about, but I have found myself wishing they still made the 7.3 after I bought it.
Love the Ford truck, however - very solid, very impressed with the build quality after having owned gasser chev's and dodges in the past. Just some stupid problems with the EGR on the 6.0. IF you get a ford diesel, make friends with your local International Truck Parts counterman - anything for a Ford diesel engine can be found at the International dealer for 1/2 price or less.
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 12:20:39 PM
Post by: blackhorn on February 12, 2010, 12:22:51 PM
Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
I just sld my dodge and bought a chev.....had a ford before the dodge. they all do smething better and worse then the others.
Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
go pre emission!
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 12:24:33 PM
FYI - Mechanioc did tell us to plan on doing a tranny replace sometime after 150,000
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 12:26:59 PM
8 pages...guaranteed...Atleast.. :chuckle:
In the years listed the Ford 7.3 would be my choice.
Now to open another can of worms, do you really need the diesel?? The reason i ask is you are going to pay a bit more than a gas rig on initial purchase and you will find the diesels will have more miles on them in the same price range as a gas rig. Dont get me wrong i like the diesel rigs and yes the engines will outlast a comparable gas rig, but the rest of the running gear and truck may not last any longer. Also you are looking at truck that are already 7+years old are you going to keep this rig for 10years? I went through this a few years ago, wanted a different truck but did not need one, sat down and listed everything a wanted and did not want, evaluated my needs for the next 10yrs and then set out finding my truck, spent 5 months looking before i found what i wanted. Just somethings to think about.
1) Those 4 door 8ft rigs dont have the best turn radius
2) Diesel has been more than gas lately (i know they can get better mileage, but really that much better?)
3) Servicing can cost more also (oil, filters, etc)
Is it a need or want? Dont get me wrong, i like the diesels with the 8ft box and 4 drs but really is that what you need?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
A lot of the early 2000's Ram truck's injection pumps went bad because lift/transfer pumps went bad 1st and the owners didn't get them fixed...the injection pump then has to work double time and it burns itself out. I love those customers.
LOL, yes sir.
Bosch didn't put that schrader valve on the injection pump supply banjo bolt just for no reason. Makes a tech's job easy to slap a gauge on it the see what the lp pressure is all about.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 12:30:10 PM
I have heard bad things about the 6.0. There are a couple out there that are within my price range but have heard the seals go bad because of the higher output. Not sure if this is true or not?
Ah nothing wrong with them.
Only lifting head gaskets, throwing rods and poor turbo's.
they don't call 'em 6 leakers for nothing. :chuckle:
Post by: MichaelJ on February 12, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
I'm done... lol
Michael
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 12:31:16 PM
I drive a lot of miles, did the math and figured out I could pay for the price of the truck in 3 years with fuels savings. But, if I didn't drive so much it might not have been so sweet looking...
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
His rig gets 16mpg towing
Mine gets 13mpg towing
If we both left my house and drove to tonasket (a drive i do alot so i know this one)
it is 250 miles from my driveway.
he would use 15.63 gallons of diesel at $4.00 per gallon so a cost of $62.52
i would used 19.23 gallons of gas at $3.00 per gallon so a cost of $57.69, whick leaves me 7.83 for Beer.
Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 12:42:06 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Post by: blackhorn on February 12, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 12:48:28 PM
diesel is that cats hiney for power. go for a ride in a efi live tuned d-max......you can never drive a gas rig againYes they are, but at what cost? How much $ to "Tune" one up?
I get there just the same as everyone else, no i dont do 80mph up the NC but i arrive at camp just like everyone else,with more change in my pocket and since the diesel guys got there first the woods cut and the fires going.. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 12:48:46 PM
All comes down to brand loyalty imho... like posted above everybody has their own issues. I've heard the newer 6.5 cummins get crappy mpg but they're not in you're year range. I'm done... lol
Michael
6.7...(yes crummy fuel mileage because of all the emissions stuff...diesel particulate filter, etc.
6.5 is a old chev turd. I had one of them. it was great for me, but they suck for everyone else.
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
what are you driving that gets 13mpg towing?
Post by: Mike_D on February 12, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
All are great engines, and will pull like that cats meow... I agree if its dodge, go stick, I cant speak about Chevy as I don't own one. but I've driven the ford, and its a great vehicle also. In my dodge, I'm getting roughly 19-21 mpg on the highway empty, (I do alot of hauling 12-16K) and get around 14-15 when loaded....and I got the truck new in '01, with currently 265K and it still runs like a top.
All of the engines have quirks and your gonna see lots of brand loyality. but I honestly don't know anyone who got a diesel and didn't pimp it out to get more pulling power, lift it higher, etc. etc...
I will say the dodges drive like trucks with stiffer suspension, while the ford, and chevy have the softer rides....
Good luck on your search.
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 01:01:34 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 01:02:24 PM
No Load - Gas 7.4 got about 10 mpg. - Diesel 7.3 gets about 20-22 mpg
I drive my truck about 50,000 miles per year.
An average of 9 mpg will take 5556 gallons of gas @ 2.99 = $16,612.00
Average of 19 mpg will take 2632 gallons of diesel @ 3.09 = $8,133.00
That's a fuel savings of $8,500 per year. If the truck will last three years that will pay for a $25,000 used diesel truck.
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Buckmark...F250 SD, extcab 6ftbox, fiberglass canopy, brushguard, usually towing a 16ft flatdeck with a tractor (small 3500lbs +trailer). 25 gallon gas tank
what are you driving that gets 13mpg towing?
I drove from the costco in smokey point to green acres, loaded with a weeks worth of gear, towing my little utility trailer (old toyota trk box with an aluminum canopy on it) and got 14.26mpg (23gallons used, 328 miles)
I drive like a little old lady.. :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 01:13:35 PM
Heck i had a 1972 f250 4x4 that did not even get 9mpg.
Fill up in issaquah, drive to cle elum, fill up again, and a 5gallon can, drive up in the teanaway, hunt, add 5 gallons, drive back to cle elum, top off and rive home to issaquah... :yike:
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Buckmark, your points are exactly what I am pondering. I need a crew, that's a given. I was thinking diesel because of longevity and decent MPG. I don't drive my truck a whole lot maybe 3-4 times a month (more during hunting season) and I have a commuter that I use for work so the truck isn't going to rack up a ton of miles over the next five or so years. So, I think I am headed down the right path. :dunno:
And if your anything like me and dump about $7k into an '05 Dodge simply for the purpose of towing in and around the 21k GCW, I did so for performance, some fuel economy but most important engine longevity.
150 gph fuel pump to not starve the injection pump when it's working hard.
Cam shaft to change the injection event which also in turn reduces exhaust gas temps.
Bigger intercooler for more/cooler air.
Bigger intake to get the more/cooler air into the engine.
EDM'd injectors for economy and performance.
A bigger turbo for performance and combustion temp reduction.
All this took me from what was 17 mpg out the door to 19.5 empty. From 11.5 mpg to almost 15mpg when towing heavy.
It's gonna take a long time, if ever, at +- 3mpg to recoup that cost. Probably never will. But the parts I chose to throw at it were the supporting ones to hopefully extend the life of the most expensive part, the engine itself.
Post by: MuleySniper on February 12, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
8 pages...guaranteed...
Ok ok.... Here is my ultimate dream truck. Ford F-250.... Cummins Diesel... Allison tranny... GMC interior :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
I'm sure there's a forum or two for Government Motors trikes and the Dodge stuff. :chuckle:
My experience.. I almost bought an 04 Dodge, (6x6x6 and Jackelope have some good info there). That said, the Dodge manual transmission didn't get good until 04. Before that, well they're durable, but the ratios and such just weren't what you get today. My half brother has put two automatic tranny's behind his Cummins -and he drives like a grandma and doesn't even tow. . To be honest, none of the three manufactures makes a good auto tranny that lasts behind the torque of a diesel. None of them have figured out how to electronically shift an automatic as well as one can be shifted via vaccume from the engine, depending on load. The years of the 7.3ps Ford were good to most who bought one. Good torque and fuel economy but not what you get today by comparison. The early 6.0psd's from Ford were plagued by fuel injection/emissions, cracked blocks and auto transmission issues. Most all of that was worked out by 04. And any of the early ones still on the road now were probably repaired or not plagued with a particular part that lead to failure. The early 6.0's had terrible EGR valves too. The 6.4Lpsd's have even more power, but sacrifice fuel economy to the late 03, 04, 05's. The Cummins is the only true work horse. But the Dodge truck of the years you're referencing just didn't hold up. Lots of loggers would rattle the dashboards right off and they had terrible electronic issues. I've never been impressed by the Dodge differentials. Many of the big three use some of the same designs of transfercases. The early years of the Dura/Izuzu-Allison weren't good to GM either. I'm not bashing either of them. Like someone said earlier, each truck be it diesel or not, has it's own list of gremlins and great inovation. The Ford front rotors are small for what is asked of them, but when they warp, there's a couple of great aftermarket ventilated replacements that I've put three times the mileage on than the factory rotors.
All that said, I bought an 04 3/4 ton Ford 6.0L PSD, ZF6spd, extended cab long bed with the 8800gvw, camper/tow/security/FX4 packages in the fall of 04'. Coming from a lifted 88 4x4 Ford with built 460 that would leave most 7.3's and Cummins of the late 90's in my mirrors even when I was towing, I doubt I will ever go back to a gas engine truck. I love the fuel economy and the power when towing. (OK, it's 4" straight piped! But not chipped.) I kept my last truck for 9 years. Truck before that for 10. I expect that many years out of this truck and twice the mileage.
There is not more maintenance with a diesel! But, you do need to be more 'religious' about maintaining your diesel if you want it to go 300,000 - 400,000 miles. And.. An oil change will cost more. My PSD takes 15.5 quarts of oil every 5,000 miles and the oil filter (Fleetguard as mentioned in an earlier post) costs twice as much as your gas engined Fram. There's also the lubricity additive that you 'should' toss in the tank more often than most people do. (low sulfur fuels reduce lubricity in that fuel, thus promoting more wear to fuel pumps and injectors) Everything costs more when working on a Diesel. Be sure you can afford that before you buy one. The rest of the truck is the same though. I am a big proponant of the ZF6spd transmission with a granny 1st gear and overdrive. When my clutch goes out.. I'll put the F450 clutch kit in. -That said, this transmission is used in panel trucks with both diesel and gas power plants in chassis up to 24,000gvw. That should say something about the durability of that unit. GM, Dodge and Ford have all used a version of this transmission over the years. I'm not aware of any of the big three manufactures that push thier light duty truck automatics to trucks with that high gvw. The allison might have a slightly higher gvw/torque rating since they use the same in the military hummers. Read around though.. That's not the cat's meow for transmissions. The later model Ford auto has the Tow/Haul mode that incorporates a trans brake when towing. Nice. I like the Sterling differentials that Ford is using. Much like the older heavy duty Dana/Spicer units. Big bearing surfaces.
For the years you referenced, Three things that I don't know that many will disagree with.. (I can't quite leave the powerplant out of this...)
If you want a truck that drives/rides like a car and has the interior that is well thought out ergonomically, then buy the GM.
In most cases the Dodge is cheaper. And it shows in creature comforts/interior/road noise/differential/transmission design. (Remember, Cummins is owned by Ford/International)
If you want a truck that rides a bit more rough, but has the suspension to handle the load with ease, but doesn't have the interior refinement of the GM, then the Ford is for you.
(I'm sure I'll get a few Lariett and Larmie owners that will disagree with the interior comments. I have a standard cloth interior, prefering to spend my money on those things that make it a truck rather than a cadilac...)
- To remark about Buckmark's last post.. I towed my then 25' camp trailer from Lynden, Wa. to Post Falls Id. on much less than one tank of fuel. I-5 and Highway2/90. 15.2mpg over the pass and the rolling hills of the east side with a quartering side wind. I get about the same fuel economy with my 29' camp trailer if I can draft behind a semi once in a while. Without the weight/windload, my truck averages 17.6mpg on winter diesel and 18.4 during the summer. Best mpg on the freeway running from Lynden to Tacoma has been 21.3mpg. (more than once)
- Now now there Bearpaw.. two years ago in Colville, Diesel was damn close to $4.00 a gallon!
edit- MuleySniper said the same about the GM interior before I had my post all typed out!
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
Buckmark...F250 SD, extcab 6ftbox, fiberglass canopy, brushguard, usually towing a 16ft flatdeck with a tractor (small 3500lbs +trailer). 25 gallon gas tank
what are you driving that gets 13mpg towing?
I drove from the costco in smokey point to green acres, loaded with a weeks worth of gear, towing my little utility trailer (old toyota trk box with an aluminum canopy on it) and got 14.26mpg (23gallons used, 328 miles)
I drive like a little old lady.. :chuckle:
Wow...good for you. I get 13.5 in my 1/2 ton chev without a trailer...
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2010, 01:25:43 PM
www.fullsizechevy.com (http://www.fullsizechevy.com)
Post by: skipper on February 12, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
Bearpaw i was comparing your current truck at 16 towing and my truck at 13 towing, not a worn out old 454.. :chuckle: where are you getting diesel for 3.09?
Heck i had a 1972 f250 4x4 that did not even get 9mpg.
Fill up in issaquah, drive to cle elum, fill up again, and a 5gallon can, drive up in the teanaway, hunt, add 5 gallons, drive back to cle elum, top off and rive home to issaquah... :yike:
in Auburn Deisel is 2.89 a gallon
I would go with the 7.3L I have an 03 with the 7.3L crew cab and love it I would never go back to gas
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 01:34:13 PM
Steve-
www.fullsizechevy.com (http://www.fullsizechevy.com)
Why would I want to go there? :chuckle:
-Steve
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 01:37:16 PM
I haven't fueled up this week, but diesel was $3.09 last week in Colville.
In Idaho/MT/UT diesel was about $2.70 and gas about $2.60 most of the winter. Not sure what will happen with fuel prices, but as long as there is no more than a .50 difference between gas and diesel it looks like a big money saver to me. :twocents:
The biggest thing I do not like is the noise, I will have to go sneaking around the farms in my Suburban... :chuckle:
JackOfAllTrades, that is some good info, thanks.
Post by: Shootmoore on February 12, 2010, 01:38:45 PM
Steve-
www.fullsizechevy.com (http://www.fullsizechevy.com)
Why would I want to go there? :chuckle:
-Steve
Well we would not have to set up the cones and direct traffic every time you want to turn around at the 101 hole :P
Shootmoore
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 01:39:20 PM
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And jackofalltrades i said "maint" costs were more, not that they needed more maint, and you backed me up on the cost issue, thanks..
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:35 PM
Except one thing, Ford/International has not owned a portion of Cummins since 2005 at which time they had a minority 10% share.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 01:40:31 PM
Just to get further off topic, what are the oil burner guys paying for diesel now, i could have sworn it was like 4.07 or 3.89 per gallon last i looked at the station near my house, i know it seems to be always more than gas, and what about the "additive" jackofalltrades mentioned?$2.89 in Ferndale, $2.99 in Bellingham.
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And jackofalltrades i said "maint" costs were more, not that they needed more maint, and you backed me up on the cost issue, thanks..
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 01:46:55 PM
Hope all this info everyone has provided helps you out blackhorn...
Post by: GoldTip on February 12, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Post by: blackhorn on February 12, 2010, 01:56:10 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 01:58:40 PM
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Well we would not have to set up the cones and direct traffic every time you want to turn around at the 101 hole
Shootmoore
Oh damn! Stab me in the back man! Yes, the GM turns sharper for that era. I think the Ford and Dodge coil sprung front ends turn sharper than them now. Mine has leaf sprung front end... No, doesn't turn sharp at all.
6x6.. Sorry, you're right about the Cummins ownership.. Recall too that Ford is not now 'Government Controled' like some other auto manufactures we know.. Ford started selling off smaller interests before the going got rough. What a friggin smart move!
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
-Steve
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 12, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Two forums to join before you buy. http://www.thedieselstop.com and http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums. (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums.)
A couple other NW based one's too.
Primarily Ford - http://nwforddiesel.com (http://nwforddiesel.com)
Covers all 3 but more so the Dodge - http://www.nwdiesels.com/ (http://www.nwdiesels.com/) and http://www.nwbombers.com (http://www.nwbombers.com)
Post by: GoldTip on February 12, 2010, 02:03:24 PM
All of this has been very helpful. Thank you! I think what I will do is wait till summer when fuel goes through the roof and watch the truck prices fall, than BUY, BUY, BUY!!!! :IBCOOL:Buckmark here is what I figured out when gas prices were 4.90 for diesel and 3.90 for gas. At a 500mile trip at 20mpg I burned 25 gallons at $4.90 for a total of $122.50 for diesel. If I were driving my '03 hemi for the same trip, 500miles at 14mpg I burned 35.7 gallons at 3.90 for $139.28. Thats 17 dollar saving on one 500mile trip back home to MT. Even when there is a huge disparity in fuel prices, the diesels will win when just considering fuel costs. For me, the extra power when towing was worth the initial purchase cost. You put my 12K trailer behind my gasser and the fuel savings get even better with the diesel.
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
I was only pointing out that you may spend more money owning one if you are not going to use it for it's intended purpose, i said to evaluate your needs and make sure it is what you need.
I should just keep my mouth shut....
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
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For me, the extra power when towing was worth the initial purchase cost. You put my 12K trailer behind my gasser and the fuel savings get even better with the diesel.
Yeah that!
-Steve
Post by: GoldTip on February 12, 2010, 02:35:08 PM
I like diesels, my next truck will be a diesel (with the King Ranch Leather) I am in no way saying dont buy the diesel, my fuel cost comparison was soley on bearpaws at16mpg and mine at 13mpg, doing the same trip, i am sure his truck would get better than mine if we towed the same identical load.
I was only pointing out that you may spend more money owning one if you are not going to use it for it's intended purpose, i said to evaluate your needs and make sure it is what you need.
I should just keep my mouth shut....
Buckmark, I was certainly not trying to tell you to keep your mouth shut. I was simply pointing out that there is generally a much larger gap in the mileage between diesels and gas motors, thats all. And my father's got a King Ranch Diesel truck, the interior is great, but it's hard to stomach looking at the rest of the truck! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on February 12, 2010, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2010, 02:43:16 PM
but you were pretty hard on my chev 454... :chuckle:
Just for the record, my mileage comparisons were at freeway speeds towing at 70 to 80 with some of the mileage on highways at about 60.
My 2000 Chev 3500 was the best truck I've owned, 238,000 miles, drove the dickens out of it towing on freeway and in the mountains with all 4 wheels chained up. Still had the original motor, tranny, and transfer. It was hard on the front axles, had to change them about 4-5 times, but the paint and everything was about wore out.... :chuckle:
Just hope I am as happy with the ford diesel after it has 238,000 miles.
I appreciate all the info about diesels that everyone provided, I was fairly ignorant about them... :chuckle:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 12, 2010, 02:59:41 PM
Just to get further off topic, what are the oil burner guys paying for diesel now, i could have sworn it was like 4.07 or 3.89 per gallon last i looked at the station near my house, i know it seems to be always more than gas, and what about the "additive" jackofalltrades mentioned?
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And jackofalltrades i said "maint" costs were more, not that they needed more maint, and you backed me up on the cost issue, thanks..
Snoqualmie Ridge Shell station was 2.99G this am. I saw a station in Kent which had it down to $2.79G.
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 03:13:24 PM
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Post by: sisu on February 12, 2010, 04:09:28 PM
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Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 04:46:39 PM
jack, I think you should have driven a dodge with the crappy transmissions ratios. mine would pull the ball right off the stinger. this is a 22k forklift on a 6k trailer.....sumbitch had a big pair. I would put a $20 bill on it that there is not 3 460 trucks in the state that would pass it on a hill. my dmax runs hard, but the ole' smoker flat packed the mailUh sir, could we have you pull up to the scale when its clear... :yike:
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Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 04:51:19 PM
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2010, 04:55:59 PM
Steve-
www.fullsizechevy.com (http://www.fullsizechevy.com)
Or ........... http://www.thedieselpage.com/ (http://www.thedieselpage.com/)
Post by: wrangler on February 12, 2010, 05:05:10 PM
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/index.php? (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/index.php?)
Post by: Bofire on February 12, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
same maintenance intervals, 6 qts and a cheap filter or 12-15 quarts and a spendy filter, slightly better milage, my 5.3 chevy has never gotten less than 18 except when towing, so diesel might get 20-22 mpg, the extra oil at changes zeros that out. the motor is the only difference, both have trannys wheel bearings and brakes, if I towed giant *censored* every day or alot like a farmer or contractor might, it might be worth while, otherwise it dont pay. My newest 5.3 chev has 93000 and going strong, new front brake pads and one head light bulb. I tow heavy about 1 in 100 miles at most.
I see no reason to ever own one.
Carl
Post by: tony04 on February 12, 2010, 05:33:40 PM
Wow.. You're opening a can of worms here. Gunna get plenty of "my Ford Rules" and "chevy sucks"... Every one of the Diesel trucks have good and bads. I personally would like a Ford Body with the Cummins motor and a Allison Tranny behind it.. I have a '04 Crew Cab Duramax and really like it. If your looking 00-03 I would say the Ford with the 7.3 liter in it is a great bet. Probably the best diesel Ford has made. But the 00-02 Dodge's with the 24 Valve Cummins is a bulletproof motor and lots of Dodge guys love that vintage. I would say some of it comes down to what layout you want in your truck. Dodge didn't offer a Crew Cab Truck until '03. Only the Ext. Cab with suicide doors. Ford/Chevy offer a true Crew Cab during that time frame.
im acually going to swap a 24 valve in my superduty within the next year (or so i plan). if i were you id go with cummins.
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Post by: alanger on February 12, 2010, 05:51:39 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
Yep 2.88 per gallon at my local for diesel when i looked tonite, man i have to crawl out from under the rock im living under..Just to get further off topic, what are the oil burner guys paying for diesel now, i could have sworn it was like 4.07 or 3.89 per gallon last i looked at the station near my house, i know it seems to be always more than gas, and what about the "additive" jackofalltrades mentioned?
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And jackofalltrades i said "maint" costs were more, not that they needed more maint, and you backed me up on the cost issue, thanks..
Snoqualmie Ridge Shell station was 2.99G this am. I saw a station in Kent which had it down to $2.79G.
Post by: sisu on February 12, 2010, 06:41:50 PM
Post by: PolarBear on February 12, 2010, 06:47:26 PM
Ford 7.3 liter all the way, best runnning ever. if you find a good running 6.0 liter they are a graet running truck, its the truck for you if you want to keep up maintence. BUILT FORD TOUGH.:yeah:
I love my 97 F-350 crew cab with the 7.3 Powerstroke and have never had a problem with it! I am constantly being told by mechanics that the 7.3 is the best diesel made in America!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 12, 2010, 08:56:24 PM
Someone in an earlier post asked if we liked our oil burners now that we've had them for a while. YOU BETCHYA!
Jackelope, Not eight pages yet!
Post by: fishcrazy on February 12, 2010, 09:10:05 PM
go for a ride in a efi live tuned d-max.....
Them are words from a very smart guy!!! :chuckle:
No EFI on my truck YET. ;)
If you have questions on anything Duramax related give me a pm and I'll give you my # I can tell you a few things about the Duramax Allison. Both good and bad.
I drive an 03
Kris
Post by: kenzmad on February 12, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
kenzmad
Post by: timberghost72 on February 12, 2010, 10:31:51 PM
Post by: Lowedog on February 12, 2010, 11:12:13 PM
Post by: Bulldozer on February 12, 2010, 11:20:42 PM
Post by: go4itlab on February 12, 2010, 11:43:28 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 08:06:35 AM
Post by: Bulldozer on February 13, 2010, 08:39:59 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on February 13, 2010, 08:51:37 AM
MS
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Post by: fishcrazy on February 13, 2010, 09:03:43 AM
this is my forum of choice. just for us chevy duramax guys:
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/index.php? (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/index.php?)
Exactly!!!! Lots of great info.
Kris
Post by: mtndew on February 13, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Post by: Buckmark on February 13, 2010, 10:04:18 AM
I am noticing a few commom things in this thread.
1) If you go Ford or Dodge you most likely will be buying a tranny after only 125-150K (or sooner), you are looking for a truck that is 7+years old so mileage might be near the trans failure point? (or it might have already been rebuilt/replaced?)
2) With an exception of a few on here it seems everyone has "upgraded" their rigs and at im sure considerable cost? So to get the power & mpg that they mentioned you will have to factor in more money..
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I know timberghost72 and i am kinda surprised his trans is going out, his truck has lived a pretty comfy life that i knew of, when i read his post i was like "wow" he really takes care of his rig and does not beat it at all..
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This is for the Ford 7.3 guys, anyone have glow plug problems?
As with any rig though they can and will break
You have picked a great time with the economy and some dealers struggling , should be able to find a great rig at a great price.
Post by: fishcrazy on February 13, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
Maintenance on the Duramax is the cheapest as well. You can go longer without oil changes and the filters are much cheaper.
The Duramax/Allis gets the best mileage on average. That is a proven fact. Anybody that says their Furd or CUMapart is getting over 20 in stock form consistently is full of hot air. I don't care what yer truck says it gets. Mine says 27 mpg and up. It's because I run a programmer and makes the truck lie. . Give me hand calc numbers or it's not true.None of the computers are accurate.
Check into a power graph of the engines. The Furd makes it's power with allot of RPMs. not good for a truck you are pulling hard with.
My 03 typically gets OVER 21 empty on the hwy. And those are hand Calc numbers running extra power. I get 17 or little over pulling my boat. When I add EFI Live and water injection I should push that to allmost 19-20. Talk to several guys with gasser trucks and they can't get that with an empty.
I will never go back to gas for a truck. And they are just as easy to work on.
:stirthepot:
That should kick it over 10 pages LOL
Post by: timberghost72 on February 13, 2010, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: mtndew on February 13, 2010, 10:53:22 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on February 13, 2010, 10:54:27 AM
Who ever said the GM trucks have bad tranis or bad injectors are out to lunch. The Allison is the strongest trani you can get out of all 3 trucks. The Alli was built and geared for the Duramax. The others can't say that. Somebody don't know their stuff. And no you don't have to add power to them. They will perform with out it. It just easy and cheap and fun to do. In 2 min I can add from 40 - 120 extra hp at the rear wheels. I paid $200.00 for the programmer. Do that with yer gasser!!! LOL
Maintenance on the Duramax is the cheapest as well. You can go longer without oil changes and the filters are much cheaper.
The Duramax/Allis gets the best mileage on average. That is a proven fact. Anybody that says their Furd or CUMapart is getting over 20 in stock form consistently is full of hot air. I don't care what yer truck says it gets. Mine says 27 mpg and up. It's because I run a programmer and makes the truck lie. . Give me hand calc numbers or it's not true.None of the computers are accurate.
Check into a power graph of the engines. The Furd makes it's power with allot of RPMs. not good for a truck you are pulling hard with.
My 03 typically gets OVER 21 empty on the hwy. And those are hand Calc numbers running extra power. I get 17 or little over pulling my boat. When I add EFI Live and water injection I should push that to allmost 19-20. Talk to several guys with gasser trucks and they can't get that with an empty.
I will never go back to gas for a truck. And they are just as easy to work on.
:stirthepot:
That should kick it over 10 pages LOL
I smile ear to ear each time I blow by my buddy in his 06 chev towing up ANY pass in my Dodge. Towing comparable loads too. It sucks when we have to stop at the top every time so he can let his fluid spewing Allison cool down. Oh well. I guess some trucks are just lemons.
:chuckle:
Post by: MichaelJ on February 13, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
Michael
Post by: Buckmark on February 13, 2010, 01:21:13 PM
It's my torque converter that is actually going out. If I have to pull the trans out at 150k to replace the torque converter might as well replace the trans. Ford now has reman transmissions with 3 year 100k mile warranties for $2000.00 so its worth it to just do it all now and have it last another 150k. The old E4OD is pretty much a slushbox anyways so the remans have all the updates and upgraded shift solinoids that have been redesigned.:yeah:
Post by: Lowedog on February 13, 2010, 01:25:25 PM
This is for the Ford 7.3 guys, anyone have glow plug problems?
Both my trucks need glow plugs. As long as they are plugged in or the temp doesn't drop below 40 it's not a problem. I need to get the plugs and fix them but keep procrastinating.
Post by: Buckmark on February 13, 2010, 01:25:59 PM
Who ever said the GM trucks have bad tranis or bad injectors are out to lunch. The Allison is the strongest trani you can get out of all 3 trucks. The Alli was built and geared for the Duramax. The others can't say that. Somebody don't know their stuff. And no you don't have to add power to them. They will perform with out it. It just easy and cheap and fun to do. In 2 min I can add from 40 - 120 extra hp at the rear wheels. I paid $200.00 for the programmer. Do that with yer gasser!!! LOLHow is it that your Duramax can go longer than The Cummins or Powerstroke between oil changes??
Maintenance on the Duramax is the cheapest as well. You can go longer without oil changes and the filters are much cheaper.
The Duramax/Allis gets the best mileage on average. That is a proven fact. Anybody that says their Furd or CUMapart is getting over 20 in stock form consistently is full of hot air. I don't care what yer truck says it gets. Mine says 27 mpg and up. It's because I run a programmer and makes the truck lie. . Give me hand calc numbers or it's not true.None of the computers are accurate.
Check into a power graph of the engines. The Furd makes it's power with allot of RPMs. not good for a truck you are pulling hard with.
My 03 typically gets OVER 21 empty on the hwy. And those are hand Calc numbers running extra power. I get 17 or little over pulling my boat. When I add EFI Live and water injection I should push that to allmost 19-20. Talk to several guys with gasser trucks and they can't get that with an empty.
I will never go back to gas for a truck. And they are just as easy to work on.
:stirthepot:
That should kick it over 10 pages LOL
Post by: MichaelJ on February 13, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
How is it that your Duramax can go longer than The Cummins or Powerstroke between oil changes??
Don't you know? with chevys, whether you change the oil or not they'll still fall apart so why worry about it wasting money on new oil??? lol jk
Michael
Post by: Buckmark on February 13, 2010, 01:29:02 PM
So when your up in the mountains and it gets below 40' you have to park next to a current bush... :chuckle:
This is for the Ford 7.3 guys, anyone have glow plug problems?
Both my trucks need glow plugs. As long as they are plugged in or the temp doesn't drop below 40 it's not a problem. I need to get the plugs and fix them but keep procrastinating.
Post by: Lowedog on February 13, 2010, 01:42:28 PM
Post by: timberghost72 on February 13, 2010, 01:44:29 PM
Who ever said the GM trucks have bad tranis or bad injectors are out to lunch. The Allison is the strongest trani you can get out of all 3 trucks. The Alli was built and geared for the Duramax. The others can't say that. Somebody don't know their stuff. And no you don't have to add power to them. They will perform with out it. It just easy and cheap and fun to do. In 2 min I can add from 40 - 120 extra hp at the rear wheels. I paid $200.00 for the programmer. Do that with yer gasser!!! LOLHow is it that your Duramax can go longer than The Cummins or Powerstroke between oil changes??
Maintenance on the Duramax is the cheapest as well. You can go longer without oil changes and the filters are much cheaper.
The Duramax/Allis gets the best mileage on average. That is a proven fact. Anybody that says their Furd or CUMapart is getting over 20 in stock form consistently is full of hot air. I don't care what yer truck says it gets. Mine says 27 mpg and up. It's because I run a programmer and makes the truck lie. . Give me hand calc numbers or it's not true.None of the computers are accurate.
Check into a power graph of the engines. The Furd makes it's power with allot of RPMs. not good for a truck you are pulling hard with.
My 03 typically gets OVER 21 empty on the hwy. And those are hand Calc numbers running extra power. I get 17 or little over pulling my boat. When I add EFI Live and water injection I should push that to allmost 19-20. Talk to several guys with gasser trucks and they can't get that with an empty.
I will never go back to gas for a truck. And they are just as easy to work on.
:stirthepot:
That should kick it over 10 pages LOL
Thats because the Duramax can only pull half the load of the Dodge or Ford so the oil doesn't break down as fast. :chuckle:
Post by: timberghost72 on February 13, 2010, 01:53:03 PM
The glow plug relays are junk also. I usually replace mine 1-2 times a year. They are really easy to replace.
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
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Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 01:57:57 PM
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Post by: blackhorn on February 13, 2010, 01:58:39 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 13, 2010, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: Lowedog on February 13, 2010, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: alanger on February 13, 2010, 02:52:41 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on February 13, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
Dodge diesels are a dime a dozen. Every lot is full of them. 90% of Furds are still on the road but the other 10% made it home. :chuckle:
GM diesels have out sold the others for several years now as well.
Dodge guys also have trouble keeping turbos in their trucks especially when adding just a little power. And A dodge waiting for a Duramax is BS probably an older generation truck and yer dodge is newer. Can't compare. Apples to apples they will out work them.
I'm wondering if Dodge will be able to catch GM with their power numbers yet. The new gen 5 duramax is suppose to be around 800 ftlb and a little over 400 hp. As if we can keep rubber on these things anyway.
:stirthepot:
come on 10 pages......
On a serious note it will be intresting to see what the new Furd diesel can do.
P.S. The manual says to change oil when the computer tells you to on a duramax. Mine typically is about 10k miles as well as my dad truck. How ofter does yer Cumapart manual tell you to change it. FYI Cumaparts are a very dirty running engine (old technology) that is why you gotta change more often. More soot in oil. Also why they had to change to a new motor to meet the new emitions standards.
Kris
Post by: timberghost72 on February 13, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
Post by: blackhorn on February 13, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on February 13, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
1. It was a short box and I need a long box
2. The Dodge crew cab is tight with three kids.
I absolutely love the Dodge but have never understood why they refuse to put out a true crew cab like the other two. I know they made the mega cab, which doesn't come in a long bed though. I had a 99 Ford crew with the 7.3 and now wish I never sold it because I can't find a manual 7.3 without a ton of miles or too much $$$$. At least Ford and Chevy understand what a crew cab really is.
Post by: MichaelJ on February 13, 2010, 05:52:18 PM
I have an 07 Dodge diesel that i just sold, but for two reasons only,
1. It was a short box and I need a long box
2. The Dodge crew cab is tight with three kids.
I absolutely love the Dodge but have never understood why they refuse to put out a true crew cab like the other two. I know they made the mega cab, which doesn't come in a long bed though. I had a 99 Ford crew with the 7.3 and now wish I never sold it because I can't find a manual 7.3 without a ton of miles or too much $$$$. At least Ford and Chevy understand what a crew cab really is.
You gotta admit their '76 to '92 Dodge Crews were AWESOME though with a TON of room... :chuckle: just not exactly what he's looking for here though!
Michael
Post by: Buckmark on February 13, 2010, 06:19:25 PM
Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:Isn't dodge owned by the Germans (daimler, ie: mercedes benz)?
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
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Look at construction site's, mostly Fords, Heavy equipment crews, mostly Fords, Look at what the old guys with the really big 5th wheels use, mostly Fords (just drive through one of the seasonal parks in arizona).
2 people that i know (1 uncle, 1 an old neighbor) uncle worked for the port, heavy equipment guy that has owned diesel's his whole life and tows big loads alot, buys 2 new trucks every other year, always buys Fords, i trust his input. The other, my old neighbor had his own trucking/heavy equipment business and spent years in alaska working the pipeline, always bought Fords. Both those guys i feel no there Sh*t and i trust there opinions when it came to heavy duty/working/getting it done trucks, both also left them stock...
Post by: yorketransport on February 13, 2010, 06:33:30 PM
I also had an 03 F250 Crew Cab long bed. If my truck had the diesel instead of the 5.4L gas, I'd probably still have it. There's plenty of room for the whole family in the cab, and IMHO they're a great looking truck. If they have a weakness though, it's the turning radius. Man that truck was clumsy in a parking lot, or in the woods for that matter. I kind of miss it now. :'(
Andrew
Post by: alanger on February 13, 2010, 06:46:43 PM
Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:
OBAMA MOTORS!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 383man on February 13, 2010, 07:49:16 PM
Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
come on now, bailouts have nothing to do with quality of the vehicle. the only reason GM needed bailouts is because they spent tremendous amounts of money on research and development for new technology for their vehicles, while ford just uses the same ol same ol.
Post by: high country on February 13, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
Post by: sisu on February 13, 2010, 07:59:08 PM
Post by: alanger on February 13, 2010, 08:06:50 PM
Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
come on now, bailouts have nothing to do with quality of the vehicle. the only reason GM needed bailouts is because they spent tremendous amounts of money on research and development for new technology for their vehicles, while ford just uses the same ol same ol.
Hey buddy if ya havent noticed that same ol same ol is still producing more and better than obama motors EVER has.
Post by: Bulldozer on February 13, 2010, 09:39:52 PM
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P.S. The manual says to change oil when the computer tells you to on a duramax. Mine typically is about 10k miles as well as my dad truck. How ofter does yer Cumapart manual tell you to change it. FYI Cumaparts are a very dirty running engine (old technology) that is why you gotta change more often. More soot in oil. Also why they had to change to a new motor to meet the new emitions standards
Dodge says don't even think about oil change till 7500 and 15000 if your driving highway. If your waiting for the goverment motors computer to tell you when to change your oil its been to long. My wife has one and it never comes up the same even though it goes the same place same route every day. If we are going to tow something we take the Dodge.
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 09:51:16 PM
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Oil Change Indicator System
Your vehicle is equipped with an engine oil change indicator system. This system will alert you when it is time to change your engine oil by displaying the words “Oil Change Required�? on your Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC). The engine oil change indicator system is duty cycle based, which means the engine oil change interval may fluctuate depending on your personal driving style. Driving styles such as frequent stop and go type driving can increase the frequency of the engine oil change. This is the result of more frequent regeneration of the exhaust aftertreatment system, which can decrease the life of the engine oil. Failure to change the engine oil per the maintenance schedule can result in internal engine damage.
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 09:53:02 PM
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| Miles 7,500 15,000 22,500 30,000 37,500 (Kilometers) (12 000) (24 000) (36 000) (48 000) (60 000) [Months] [6] [12] [18] [24] [30] Change engine oil and engine oil filter. (Under no circumstances should oil change intervals exceed 7,500 miles (12 000 km) or 6 months, which ever comes first). X X X X X |
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 09:53:45 PM
QuoteP.S. The manual says to change oil when the computer tells you to on a duramax. Mine typically is about 10k miles as well as my dad truck. How ofter does yer Cumapart manual tell you to change it. FYI Cumaparts are a very dirty running engine (old technology) that is why you gotta change more often. More soot in oil. Also why they had to change to a new motor to meet the new emitions standards
Dodge says don't even think about oil change till 7500 and 15000 if your driving highway. If your waiting for the goverment motors computer to tell you when to change your oil its been to long. My wife has one and it never comes up the same even though it goes the same place same route every day. If we are going to tow something we take the Dodge.
I'm not sure where you got the 15k interval from unless you're running a 5.9L.
Post by: timberghost72 on February 13, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:Isn't dodge owned by the Germans (daimler, ie: mercedes benz)?
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
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Look at construction site's, mostly Fords, Heavy equipment crews, mostly Fords, Look at what the old guys with the really big 5th wheels use, mostly Fords (just drive through one of the seasonal parks in arizona).
2 people that i know (1 uncle, 1 an old neighbor) uncle worked for the port, heavy equipment guy that has owned diesel's his whole life and tows big loads alot, buys 2 new trucks every other year, always buys Fords, i trust his input. The other, my old neighbor had his own trucking/heavy equipment business and spent years in alaska working the pipeline, always bought Fords. Both those guys i feel no there Sh*t and i trust there opinions when it came to heavy duty/working/getting it done trucks, both also left them stock...
Daimler has sold their share of Chrysler Corp. Now Fiat owns 'em
Bankruptcy and Sale to Fiat
In April 2009, Chrysler filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States. The reorganized company would be partially owned by Italian automaker Fiat as well as the United Auto Workers union upon its emergence from bankruptcy.
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2010, 10:47:39 PM
Post by: high country on February 14, 2010, 08:55:23 AM
Post by: whacker1 on February 14, 2010, 10:35:24 AM
However, back to the topic - If I were in your position looking at the 2000-2003 timeline, I would also buy a 7.3 powerstroke. As most have mentioned, the largest issue is the transmission. I would change the exhaust to something more free flowing. I would also look at programmer to maximize gas mileage.
Big question - this topic has reached 9 pages, and not one person has mentioned a gear vendor or split differential system. Why not? or are they just not well known enough?
Bearpaw - ideal for you and driving patterns like yours. lots of freeway driving long trips - pick up 3 miles per gallon at those speeds when not loaded and drop 700 rpm's or so, increasing the overall length of the motor and transmission.
Post by: fishcrazy on February 14, 2010, 10:41:13 AM
anyone running a oiled element filter better not have long engine life dreams
Fixed it for you.
Them oiled elements are a big Joke. K&N are the leaders in fooling people. Independent test show they do little to filter air and clog up first. Not sure about other trucks but in testing the factory AC Delco is about as good as it gets for filtering and long life. I think my filters run about $20.00
I love the claims they make about added power and mpg. It's just a bold face lie. You can get better mpg by just keeping a fresh filter in.
Kris
Post by: kenzmad on February 14, 2010, 10:59:32 AM
kenzmad
Post by: Buckmark on February 14, 2010, 11:56:30 AM
I have not looked it up, but i am talking Dodge, not chrysler, as jackelope said the chrysler division was sold awhile ago and may have been picked up by fiat, but i am probably wrong but Dodge is there fullsize truck line and still controled by Daimler? Not arguing just asking.Buy Ford. Don't buy anything from Government Motors or those Italians :chuckle:Isn't dodge owned by the Germans (daimler, ie: mercedes benz)?
Isn't Ford the only one who has weathered throught the economy and not take any handouts and now showing profits the last 4 quarters? :dunno:
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Look at construction site's, mostly Fords, Heavy equipment crews, mostly Fords, Look at what the old guys with the really big 5th wheels use, mostly Fords (just drive through one of the seasonal parks in arizona).
2 people that i know (1 uncle, 1 an old neighbor) uncle worked for the port, heavy equipment guy that has owned diesel's his whole life and tows big loads alot, buys 2 new trucks every other year, always buys Fords, i trust his input. The other, my old neighbor had his own trucking/heavy equipment business and spent years in alaska working the pipeline, always bought Fords. Both those guys i feel no there Sh*t and i trust there opinions when it came to heavy duty/working/getting it done trucks, both also left them stock...
Daimler has sold their share of Chrysler Corp. Now Fiat owns 'em
Bankruptcy and Sale to Fiat
In April 2009, Chrysler filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States. The reorganized company would be partially owned by Italian automaker Fiat as well as the United Auto Workers union upon its emergence from bankruptcy.
Buy a Ford....
Post by: Buckmark on February 14, 2010, 12:06:59 PM
from my research, fiat aquired most of chryslers assests (controling) which also included the dodge brand.
Now for some more confusion, isnt fiat owned by Gm? which means Gm (government motors) has the controlling interest in dodge (you can get onstar in a dodge now) So the 2 automakers who got a bailout are actually deep down inside the same company and the 2 combined still can not build a truck like a Ford or pay there bills/make a profit.. :stirthepot:
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2010, 12:08:57 PM
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2010, 12:15:59 PM
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I have not looked it up, but i am talking Dodge, not chrysler, as jackelope said the chrysler division was sold awhile ago and may have been picked up by fiat, but i am probably wrong but Dodge is there fullsize truck line and still controled by Daimler? Not arguing just asking.
Buy a Ford....
yeah...wrong. when i say chrysler I mean chrysler jeep and dodge. there's no seperate dodge full size truck line.
it's all chrysler
Post by: timberghost72 on February 14, 2010, 12:24:45 PM
You ever seen Chevy or Dodge with a large load in the bed. It drags a$$. I put 5k lbs of limestone in my bed and only droped the susp. 2 inches. Stock suspension. My Bro has a Duracrap and had to put airbags to help carry the load in his truck. IMHO the Dodges are worse. :stirthepot:
Post by: timberghost72 on February 14, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Post by: whacker1 on February 14, 2010, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2010, 12:50:19 PM
Post by: whacker1 on February 14, 2010, 01:00:32 PM
Post by: gramps on February 14, 2010, 01:11:53 PM
Oil changes...I sample my oil and am having no problems at 10K oil change intervals. Have 90K + on it now and have been upping the mileage between changes based on the samples and will stay at 10K if everything looks good on the samples.
Post by: cohoho on February 14, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
Thinking of doing the exhaust and intake - anyone do that and what did the mileage jump too? Chipping is a consideration also, but is it worth it, besides do they make a chip that doesn't make it sound ridiculously loud....
Post by: sisu on February 14, 2010, 02:11:40 PM
I do agree with Kenzmad. If I had to build a truck it would have the Cummins motor, Ford body, suspension, brakes and axles. I'd probably get a custom built trans though. BTS makes bullet proof automatics with solid torque converters
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Post by: high country on February 14, 2010, 03:23:36 PM
Get my Duramax oil changes for free, got it when I bought the truck for the life of the dealerships.... So adding oil changes isn't a factor for overall cost and the reason I do them every 3,000-5,000 without fail. I had the Dodge 01, couldn't hear the radio from the motor chatter. I sold it and bought a Ford, 2004 -bad ideal crappy motor 6.0 always in the shop for something, (if it had a the older 7.3 probably would still have it). Tried to trade it in for another Ford, they realize it was such a crappy vehicle they wouldn't even trade it in...... Finally bought a new crew cab Chevy in 06 and it now has 115,000 and running strong - no chip- no added exhaust and gheez I always pass Dodges and Fords on the pass..... But got to admit I miss the room and looks of Ford.....
Thinking of doing the exhaust and intake - anyone do that and what did the mileage jump too? Chipping is a consideration also, but is it worth it, besides do they make a chip that doesn't make it sound ridiculously loud....
efi live can tune whatever you want.............ANYTHING. chips do nothing to the noise of the rig, that is all intake and exhaust. I picked up about 3 mpg with the tune.....and about 150hp
Post by: timberghost72 on February 14, 2010, 04:23:24 PM
I do agree with Kenzmad. If I had to build a truck it would have the Cummins motor, Ford body, suspension, brakes and axles. I'd probably get a custom built trans though. BTS makes bullet proof automatics with solid torque converters
Here is your dream rig. Click on the link for Ford-Cummins Ford-Cummins conversion (http://www.fordcummins.com/)
Oh yeah, thats what I'd love to do. Even covers the earlier years too. My dream truck would be the '77-'78 F-350 CC long bed to do this in. I've seen one in Marysville and am keeping my eye on it. If the funds are there may even see if the guy wants to sell it. Been doing a lot of fab and custom work at home on my own Jeep and also at work so something like this would be a great but challenging project. Would definitely cost some dough. Maybe someday :dunno:
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2010, 05:04:53 PM
anyone running a oiled element filter better not have long engine life dreams
Fixed it for you.
Them oiled elements are a big Joke. K&N are the leaders in fooling people. Independent test show they do little to filter air and clog up first. Not sure about other trucks but in testing the factory AC Delco is about as good as it gets for filtering and long life. I think my filters run about $20.00
I love the claims they make about added power and mpg. It's just a bold face lie. You can get better mpg by just keeping a fresh filter in.
Kris
K&N do suck, but the Amsoil filters are oil type and are good. They have a different type of material than K&N and will filter as well as the AC Delco but still allow decent air flow.
Post by: high country on February 14, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2010, 09:06:38 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on February 14, 2010, 09:41:52 PM
Maybe we can get another 10 pages.
What kind of additive do you guys run in yer diesel trucks to make them last and run so well?
:stirthepot:
Kris
Post by: MichaelJ on February 15, 2010, 12:17:14 AM
cummins vs powerstroke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUO_1EkBKXI#)
Ok yeah this one's a dually so not as fair.... lol
Dodge 3500 vs. Ford F-250 Truck Pull!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-ArE3liZQ#)
Seems to be a re-occuring theme here...
Dodge vs Ford - Now it hurts! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmofbFuJoT8#)
That should easily make it to 20 pages.... lol
Post by: high country on February 15, 2010, 05:38:18 AM
AMSOIL :rolleyes:
Maybe we can get another 10 pages.
What kind of additive do you guys run in yer diesel trucks to make them last and run so well?
:stirthepot:
Kris
my company has about 100 diesel powered engines from 2cyl duetz to v12 cat and detroits. the ONLY time we run ANY aditive is if the temp is dropping lower then the wax point on the fuel we get......that is it. the long timers in our fleet are a cat v 12 with 29k hours a 03' cummins with 340k miles and a couple of fords 00ish at 250-275k. not a one of these sees aditives.......just scheduled service, and I guarentee these work harder then any rig any person on this planet will personally own.
amsoil guys.....most heavy equipment dealers cat, cummins.......etc, will offer independent oil testing for very little $$. I would suggest you do it. there is a whole lot more to oil then viscosity.
there must be a reason why every mine, mill, and construction co puts cheap oil in there $40k loader engines.
Post by: Curly on February 15, 2010, 08:39:27 AM
Post by: Sneaky on February 15, 2010, 08:48:27 AM
Post by: Alchase on February 15, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
I have heard some outrageous claims from amsiol and others, I asked this question to a friend of mine that owns a shop in Midway, he laughed and said I make a good living of their claims.
Second question, since I have never owned a diesel, how do the maintenance costs compare to a regular motor?
Post by: Viszla on February 15, 2010, 10:28:48 AM
Personally, I love my V10 F-250. Diesels are just way too complicated. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2010, 11:30:46 AM
I ran Lubrication Engineers monolec in my '86 isuzu pup 4cyl 2.2 diesel for 55k miles on one oil filter and added around a quart of oil throughout due to a slow leak in the valve cover gasket. Independent oil analysis came back clean. The guy who sold me the oil told me I could've ran it 100k if I changed the filter every 15k and topped it off..
laffin out loud.
Post by: teal101 on February 15, 2010, 12:40:45 PM
I get about 14mpg in town on just about every power level on my tuner. This thing is fast and freakin loud!! I love it. It's faster than my buddies quad cab 01 Superduty with the 7.3 and the edge juice programmer.
The 7.3 diesel is a great engine as well as the 5,9 cummins. Why anyone would wanna buy an injector eating duraturd is beyond me. I know a tech who's sole job is replacing those damn things :rolleyes:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F145%2Fl_67f77f50b3f3460db0c1dba741d025e4.jpg&hash=f2cdf2507bdf43700eb6b4aa105b85e55efc2c53)
Post by: Buckmark on February 15, 2010, 01:12:05 PM
I would like to hear from any mechanics on here what they think of all the additives?The Psychological Placebo
I have heard some outrageous claims from amsiol and others, I asked this question to a friend of mine that owns a shop in Midway, he laughed and said I make a good living of their claims.
Second question, since I have never owned a diesel, how do the maintenance costs compare to a regular motor?
You have to wonder, with the volume of evidence accumulating against oil additives, why so many of us still buy them. That's the million-dollar question, and it's just as difficult to answer as why so many of us smoke cigarettes, drink hard liquor or engage in any other number of questionable activities. We know they aren't good for us - but we go ahead and do them anyway.
Part of the answer may lie in what some psychiatrists call the "psychological placebo effect." Simply put, that means that many of us hunger for that peace of mind that comes with believing we have purchased the absolute best or most protection we can possibly get.
Even better, there's that wonderfully smug feeling that comes with thinking we might be a step ahead of the pack, possessing knowledge of something just a bit better than everyone else.
Then again, perhaps it comes from an ancient, deep-seated need we all seem to have to believe in magic. There has never been any shortage of unscrupulous types ready to cash in on our willingness to believe that there's some magical mystery potion we can buy to help us lose weight, grow hair, attract the opposite sex or make our engines run longer and better. I doubt that there's a one of us who hasn't fallen for one of these at least once in our lifetimes. We just want it to be true so bad that we can't help ourselves.
Oil additives - fuel additives?
Post by: Curly on February 15, 2010, 01:22:50 PM
http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=45 (http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=45)
Post by: huntnphool on February 15, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 15, 2010, 03:21:40 PM
I do use diesel fuel additive from Stanadyne. They are the ones who make the injector pump for GM diesels, so I figure if they recommend the additive for the pump it should be worth using. I do get better mileage while using the additive, so WTH...might as well use it. And if the injector pump and injectors last longer by using it, then it should be worthwhile. Also, now that we have to use low sulfur fuel, it seems like an additive might be necessary..........Yup.
http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=45 (http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=45)
Buy the lubricity formula in the purple bottle. It helps to replace the removed sulfur.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 15, 2010, 03:44:46 PM
Post by: Rick on February 15, 2010, 04:08:47 PM
Diesels are just way too complicated. :twocents:
Diesel engines are actually less complicated than gas engines are.
Post by: MichaelJ on February 15, 2010, 06:11:02 PM
Diesels are just way too complicated. :twocents:
Diesel engines are actually less complicated than gas engines are.
Yeah that!
Michael
Post by: fishcrazy on February 15, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Kris
Post by: teal101 on February 16, 2010, 08:29:01 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 16, 2010, 08:55:34 AM
For the cummins the best additive is actually 2-stroke oil. It provides extra lube for the vp44 injection pump and prolongs the life of it.And it's the worst thing you can do to a common rail fuel delivery system.
Post by: elk311 on February 16, 2010, 09:02:02 AM
Same family of 5, no trailer or gear in bed of truck to Yellowstone 2 years later 24.6mpg. :drool:
www.turbodieselregister.com (http://www.turbodieselregister.com)
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp)
As stated numerous times before you will FIND fault with all models. I have always been a Ford man myself and if I could have found an F250/F350 with a stock Cummins that's what I'd have. Do the research for yourself and enjoy.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 16, 2010, 09:23:58 AM
http://www.destroked.com/ (http://www.destroked.com/)
Post by: fishcrazy on February 16, 2010, 09:39:32 AM
Kris
Found it and started another topic
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,44950.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,44950.0.html)
Post by: Viszla on February 16, 2010, 10:13:39 AM
Quote
Quote from: Rick on Yesterday at 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Viszla on Yesterday at 10:28:48 AM
Diesels are just way too complicated.
Diesel engines are actually less complicated than gas engines are.
Yeah that!
Michael
Seems complicated to me, 12 pages and counting...
I'm no diesel expert but I sure am more confused now than ever. From oil to fuel additves to fuel pumps, Yikes!! :yike:
Post by: C-Money on February 16, 2010, 10:17:28 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on February 16, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
Seems complicated to me, 12 pages and counting...
I'm no diesel expert but I sure am more confused now than ever. From oil to fuel additves to fuel pumps, Yikes!! :yike:
You think talking about fuel pumps, and oil/fuel additives is bad?
Start a thread about which ford/chevy/dodge small block is the best and you'd get the same thing though probably much more... except you'd be talking carbs, cubic inches and how some small blocks really aren't small blocks, headers, exhaust, efi (both throttle body injection and multiport), rearends, compression, forced induction (both turbos and blowers), ignition systems, nitrous....etc
Diesels are imho more simple, but certainly aren't more complicated. Boost+fuel-heat=power... though I'm no expert I haven't owned one so I haven't taken the time to learn about the newer ones. I know the cummins 12V is about as simple as you can get and they can make awesome power and a durable. I'm not interested in powerstrokes or duramaxs so I have no idea on them other than my friends' trucks.
Michael
Post by: teal101 on February 16, 2010, 02:20:28 PM
For the cummins the best additive is actually 2-stroke oil. It provides extra lube for the vp44 injection pump and prolongs the life of it.And it's the worst thing you can do to a common rail fuel delivery system.
Like I said for the vp44 injected rigs, it works. I have no clue about the common rails as they are 03 and up and I have zero experience with them.
Post by: teal101 on February 16, 2010, 02:23:16 PM
QuoteQuote from: Rick on Yesterday at 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Viszla on Yesterday at 10:28:48 AM
Diesels are just way too complicated.
Diesel engines are actually less complicated than gas engines are.
Yeah that!
Michael
Seems complicated to me, 12 pages and counting...
I'm no diesel expert but I sure am more confused now than ever. From oil to fuel additves to fuel pumps, Yikes!! :yike:
If that's confusing to you, a gas engine debate will make your head explode. This thread has barely scratched the surface on a lot of diesel tech.
Post by: Rick on February 16, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
QuoteQuote from: Rick on Yesterday at 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Viszla on Yesterday at 10:28:48 AM
Diesels are just way too complicated.
Diesel engines are actually less complicated than gas engines are.
Yeah that!
Michael
Seems complicated to me, 12 pages and counting...
I'm no diesel expert but I sure am more confused now than ever. From oil to fuel additves to fuel pumps, Yikes!! :yike:
Lets look at a couple items you mentioned.
A diesel engine basically uses two different oil viscositys. A 15w40 or a 5w40. There are a couple others but they aren't common.
A gas engine might use 0w20,0w30,0w40,5w20,5w30,5w40,10w30,10w40,15w40,15w50. Thats not even counting SAE30,SAE40,or SAE50 for the guys that like single weight oils.
There are a few common diesel additives. Power Service,Primrose,Howes,Stanadyne,and a couple others.
For gas engines there are literally aisles in the parts store dedicated to additives.
If you don't have experience with a diesel,they can seem intimidating. But in reality they're less complicated than a gas engine all the way around.