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Title: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bushcraft on October 21, 2019, 02:11:57 PM
What do you consider to be the best available resources (books, articles, videos, YouTube, etc.) on calling in cougars? 

I generally have a lot of downtime every day during my modern firearm elk season and would be interested in using it to try and call in a cougar.

URL links would be great!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Machias on October 21, 2019, 02:13:51 PM
Single best resource happens to visit this Forum.  @Rainshadow1  :)
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on October 21, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
What do you consider to be the best available resources (books, articles, videos, YouTube, etc.) on calling in cougars? 

I generally have a lot of downtime every day during my modern firearm elk season and would be interested in using it to try and call in a cougar.

URL links would be great!

Thanks!

have you seen this thread?

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,185537.0.html

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on October 21, 2019, 02:29:50 PM
If it were me trying to call in a lion while elk hunting, i would just be doing pretty frequent calf vocalizations for two reasons.  For one, it would be a noise that wouldnt be a risk of spooking elk like a screeching screaming rabbit noise could, and for two, any lion in the area already is hunting elk.  They know the calf sound, its a dinner bell for them.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Machias on October 21, 2019, 02:33:54 PM
The problem with calling lions with distress calls is they slink in, very patiently watch over the area before walking in and in a lot of instances bust you and leave without you ever know they were there.  Rainshadow1 has some call sounds which are extremely effective at bringing cats in and putting them at ease enough to walk in, relaxed.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bushcraft on October 21, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
What do you consider to be the best available resources (books, articles, videos, YouTube, etc.) on calling in cougars? 

I generally have a lot of downtime every day during my modern firearm elk season and would be interested in using it to try and call in a cougar.

URL links would be great!

Thanks!

Nope...thank you.
have you seen this thread?

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,185537.0.html
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on October 21, 2019, 02:41:35 PM
I would agree

I called a cat in using soft cow calls, sat in the same spot for an hour resting and practicing my cow calls while sitting there and just incase something passed by.  Cat came in, didn't know it, then I got up to head down the draw and going through this thick reprod crap I near walked on top of a cat, it hissed at me but didn't shoot it  (hella thick)


called in another cat, was waiting at a spot for my hunting pardners and they were late so I was just chillin at a crossroad we were suppose to meet up.  Again, blowing on my cow call, hour or so just softly in case an elk was wandering past somewhere,  I sat up and the brush exploded 10 feet behind me as a cat blew out.  No idea how long it was watching the back of my head.


So I'd just get into an elky area and blow some calf calls, not all frantic like its dying but just some chirps  "momma where are you?" calls..maybe a little needy and whiny, but not dying. 

do it for an hour + and the thing is the cat is going to come through the brush in the thick stuff so spotting it will be the challenge.   If you can elevate and watch a finger of thick brush leading to your ecaller that would be ideal
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on October 21, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
I would agree with bango skank and Mahicas about them slinking in,  but not the part about them just strolling in after playing a cougar vocal. 

Hasn't happened to me yet, I have the rainshadow whistle, I have all the RS cougar vocals and chirps...made my own, I got prolly 20 lion vocals and I studied what each is for and have yet to see a cougar "stroll in"   

I've done big call sessions starting with a coyote locator, fawn bleats, coyote barks, distressed doe, more coyote barks, which often gets does running around all crazy...
I get everything quiet then do cougar chirps/whistles and nada, nothing ever just "strolls in" like they own the place.  I pretty much end all my calling sessions with cougar vocals.  I will say I've had them chirp back twice now, but didn't come in.  One was going along a big long rock rim chirping, I chirp back, but it didn't come in and it got too dark eventually, I was there a long time all excited  :chuckle:  I've had a few chirp back now that didn't come in

Now I prefer to locate their sneak routes and set up to get them sneaking in or parking on their rumps to take a peak at whats going on,  so I sit above the call on vantages
I wish I had more range on the foxpro, but I got an older one   CS24B
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Machias on October 21, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
While calling bears I have called in 3 cats that I am aware of and I'm certain several I never knew where there and all busted me and left before I saw them.  Just found out once I was done by the person watching the other way and by the evidence once I was finished calling.  I accidently called in a HUGE tom one spring turkey season.  Very nearly ended up with that cat on my back.  Never heared him come in and even watching him walk away at 15 yards, never heard a sound.  Pretty impressive!!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on October 21, 2019, 02:57:17 PM
Ya

I don't think calling them in is hard at all, they're very curious and will come check out just about anything.  Just raking brush and breaking sticks will get them to come in.   


seeing them and getting a shot is the hard part  (and not getting busted)
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on October 21, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
While calling bears I have called in 3 cats that I am aware of and I'm certain several I never knew where there and all busted me and left before I saw them.  Just found out once I was done by the person watching the other way and by the evidence once I was finished calling.  I accidently called in a HUGE tom one spring turkey season.  Very nearly ended up with that cat on my back.  Never heared him come in and even watching him walk away at 15 yards, never heard a sound.  Pretty impressive!!


I'm thinking about using a turkey decoy and turkey distress sounds, see how that does
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Machias on October 21, 2019, 03:19:23 PM
While calling bears I have called in 3 cats that I am aware of and I'm certain several I never knew where there and all busted me and left before I saw them.  Just found out once I was done by the person watching the other way and by the evidence once I was finished calling.  I accidently called in a HUGE tom one spring turkey season.  Very nearly ended up with that cat on my back.  Never heared him come in and even watching him walk away at 15 yards, never heard a sound.  Pretty impressive!!


I'm thinking about using a turkey decoy and turkey distress sounds, see how that does

I think it would be effective and I think it would be even more effective if you added movement to your decoy.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on October 25, 2019, 12:23:41 AM
What do you consider to be the best available resources (books, articles, videos, YouTube, etc.) on calling in cougars? 

I generally have a lot of downtime every day during my modern firearm elk season and would be interested in using it to try and call in a cougar.

URL links would be great!

Thanks!

I don't know if you're gone thru the call-in-story page on my website, but it's got quite a bit of information and inspiration on the subject. I've read most everything I could find on American Lions, and reviewed them on the site also. YouTube has several pretty amazing trail cam captures for vocals! I've got some great stuff from Olympic Game Farm cats that I've turned into calling sequences, but probably the best I've seen (and heard) is a cat doing the whistle, from left to right, right in front of a trail cam. I don't have a link but you'll find it. Cool stuff!

Overall, there isn't much out there. Working on that! Priorities have me very limited now, but I still have big ideas!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on October 25, 2019, 12:32:27 AM
Heres a video of a lion whistling in my back yard.
 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on October 25, 2019, 12:34:46 AM
Did i link the right one?  Cant see which vid i posted due to crap satellite wifi.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: HillHound on October 25, 2019, 04:30:13 AM
Yep you got the one on there you were trying to.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: UBA on October 25, 2019, 07:53:27 AM
I was lucky enough to get to see two cats chirping and whistling back and forth for about a half hour. I'm guessing it was a mating deal since they were also purring and rubbing thier heads on each other.  It's a hard sound to describe and scary once u realize u have heard that noise before and just thought it was a bird.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2019, 02:58:31 PM
plopping this here so I can watch later




This was a fun video to tag along on
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: JakeLand on December 01, 2019, 04:04:10 PM
Yesterday I did 4 different sets with a foxpro furry and nothing came in (visually) but hiking into my 3rd setup I seen thee biggest blacktail buck Iíve seen he dwarfs whatís on my walls and he wasnít 300 yards from my setup that I  was running the caller at
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TVHunts on December 01, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
That is an awesome video KFHunter!  Thanks for posting it  :tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: skagitsteel on December 01, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Yesterday I did 4 different sets with a foxpro furry and nothing came in (visually) but hiking into my 3rd setup I seen thee biggest blacktail buck Iíve seen he dwarfs whatís on my walls and he wasnít 300 yards from my setup that I  was running the caller at

Weíre you calling on fresh tracks or sign? Iíve been trying to kill a cat near my house for 2 years but he just had too big of a range.  Canít confidently say heís ever been in earshot of my caller.  Comes by about once every 6 weeks.  When conditions are right Iím going to drive some roads and call from a fresh set of tracks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: JakeLand on December 01, 2019, 05:19:52 PM
Yesterday I did 4 different sets with a foxpro furry and nothing came in (visually) but hiking into my 3rd setup I seen thee biggest blacktail buck Iíve seen he dwarfs whatís on my walls and he wasnít 300 yards from my setup that I  was running the caller at

Weíre you calling on fresh tracks or sign? Iíve been trying to kill a cat near my house for 2 years but he just had too big of a range.  Canít confidently say heís ever been in earshot of my caller.  Comes by about once every 6 weeks.  When conditions are right Iím going to drive some roads and call from a fresh set of tracks
over the last couple years there has been several kills here and tracks ! Iím going to keep hitting this area as I know he frequently comes through plus the amount of deer in the area year round I think is a plus
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on December 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
I would agree with bango skank and Mahicas about them slinking in,  but not the part about them just strolling in after playing a cougar vocal. 

Hasn't happened to me yet, I have the rainshadow whistle, I have all the RS cougar vocals and chirps...made my own, I got prolly 20 lion vocals and I studied what each is for and have yet to see a cougar "stroll in"   

I've done big call sessions starting with a coyote locator, fawn bleats, coyote barks, distressed doe, more coyote barks, which often gets does running around all crazy...
I get everything quiet then do cougar chirps/whistles and nada, nothing ever just "strolls in" like they own the place.  I pretty much end all my calling sessions with cougar vocals.  I will say I've had them chirp back twice now, but didn't come in.  One was going along a big long rock rim chirping, I chirp back, but it didn't come in and it got too dark eventually, I was there a long time all excited  :chuckle:  I've had a few chirp back now that didn't come in

Now I prefer to locate their sneak routes and set up to get them sneaking in or parking on their rumps to take a peak at whats going on,  so I sit above the call on vantages
I wish I had more range on the foxpro, but I got an older one   CS24B


I have called in several cats. Only 2 of which I can prove. The first one was out of season. I called it in during a coyote stand. It came in unbelievably stealthy. It came in through a clear cut and I never saw it until it got directly between me and my caller. I was sitting ontop of a stump and had a good view of the place. I started playing RS cougar vocals and it jumped ontop of a stump and sat down. It ended up sitting in the middle of a clear cut. wide open area. it sat down and I have pics of it with its mouth open just sitting there. It also vocalized several times.
    My second cat I shot at 16 yards. A big tom. He strolled right in ontop of a log. I was using RS ougar vocals and a couple short foxpro vocals. He walked in without a worry in the world. He was 100% focused on where he heard the sound coming from and didn't see me sitting off to his left. Vocals absolutely can make them stroll right in. Of course it won't work every time, because there are too many variables to predict. But it can and does work. I have personally watched the attitude change from stealthy sneaking in during distress, to lounging around in the sun and chatting like a house cat after vocals. Both of my stories and pics are on the RS page. RS14 and RS17.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 02, 2019, 10:27:17 AM
I use rainshadows call and have gotten a lot of vocal responses.  Never had one walk in like it owned the place
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2019, 10:30:55 AM
I use rainshadows call and have gotten a lot of vocal responses.  Never had one walk in like it owned the place

You ain't the only one


Hasn't happened to me yet, I have the rainshadow whistle, I have all the RS cougar vocals and chirps...made my own, I got prolly 20 lion vocals and I studied what each is for and have yet to see a cougar "stroll in"   
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: emskou on December 02, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
Yesterday I did 4 different sets with a foxpro furry and nothing came in (visually) but hiking into my 3rd setup I seen thee biggest blacktail buck Iíve seen he dwarfs whatís on my walls and he wasnít 300 yards from my setup that I  was running the caller at

I'm going to need gps coordinates of this buck....I'm still trying to fill my late tag  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: dilleytech on December 02, 2019, 01:17:14 PM
Is there any consensus on what the best distress call is? Rabbit or deer for example?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2019, 01:54:53 PM
I think the call is much less important than being at the right place at the right time. 

It's hard to answer that, as calling in a cougar is a rare occurrence.   I've had them come into dying rabbit being blasted at nearly full volume and a decoy wagging around, but it hung up and I didn't see it until I quit my stand and stood up, then it slunk off and I couldn't get on it. 

I've had them come in numerous times elk hunting, blowing a soft cow call occasionally.  I wasn't cougar hunting, but they came none the less, and close!

so IMO I think they'll come in if they want too, that is *IF* they hear it.   If one's napping 100 yards from a fresh kill I'm not sure anything will get it to come, maybe some cougar vocals might get it up, I don't know.

At the top of this forum section there's a sticky thread about this with a lot of reading, it's 11 pages and that's after I've deleted most of the cougar women references that pop up every stinking time there's a cougar thread. 

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,185537.0.html
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on December 02, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
I think the call is much less important than being at the right place at the right time. 

It's hard to answer that, as calling in a cougar is a rare occurrence.   I've had them come into dying rabbit being blasted at nearly full volume and a decoy wagging around, but it hung up and I didn't see it until I quit my stand and stood up, then it slunk off and I couldn't get on it. 

I've had them come in numerous times elk hunting, blowing a soft cow call occasionally.  I wasn't cougar hunting, but they came none the less, and close!

so IMO I think they'll come in if they want too, that is *IF* they hear it.   If one's napping 100 yards from a fresh kill I'm not sure anything will get it to come, maybe some cougar vocals might get it up, I don't know.

At the top of this forum section there's a sticky thread about this with a lot of reading, it's 11 pages and that's after I've deleted most of the cougar women references that pop up every stinking time there's a cougar thread. 

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,185537.0.html

I agree. location is everything. I don't think the type of distress matters that much. When I called the first cat in, I was using ranting redbird and baby cottontail. It came in at 24 minutes. When I called the second one in, I was using elk calf distress, blacktail fawn distress, blacktail doe distress, raccoon fight then switch ed to cougar vocals after around 10-15 minutes. It came in around 26 minutes. I think as long as it's loud and sounds interesting and convincing to the cat it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 03, 2019, 07:41:26 AM
I use rainshadows call and have gotten a lot of vocal responses.  Never had one walk in like it owned the place

You ain't the only one


Hasn't happened to me yet, I have the rainshadow whistle, I have all the RS cougar vocals and chirps...made my own, I got prolly 20 lion vocals and I studied what each is for and have yet to see a cougar "stroll in"   
i lied, my very first call in I had a cougar come walking right in to the wide open.  Was elk hunting 113.  Had been playing Radom elk sounds and spotted a cougar half mile away sitting on a burm over looking the valley between us.  Was the year I killed my first cougar.   It dropped in the valley and I figured it was the last I seen of it.    20 min later it was right below me.  Was already tagged out so I yelled at it and it ran off. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on December 03, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
Been watching this thread.  I am stuck at number 19 of called cougars, but didn't get out much last winter.

Lotta good info on this thread.  I consider Rainshadow's site and stories of call-ins the single best source for info on calling lions.  If you think as you read, in some of the stories the person reveals info about called cougars that the story teller hasn't grasped himself. 

Just wanted to add that animals differ just as humans do, and we try too hard sometimes to expect all of them to do what one did.  IE. my son and I have had cougars run toward a call within 60 seconds of the start of the sound, stroll in, sneak in over an hour's time, sneak close then lie down and watch the person calling or the electronic caller.  Some vocalize as they approach, and some make no sound on approach to the same calling sound.  Re sounds, we have heard cougars make a wide variety of sounds.  Rainshadow has recordings of most of those sounds.  IMO precise sound is the least critical factor in calling cats but I strongly prefer to use cougar vocals.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 03, 2019, 01:36:11 PM
3rd calling session today.  This was supposed to be a cougar.  Oh well, ill take it.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Ya, I'd have taken that too  :tup:   Itching to get out there!

whats that chewed up thing with the dog print on it?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 03, 2019, 01:45:30 PM
Its a cat track, not a dog track.  Fawn call, solid ivory.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
Its a cat track, not a dog track.  Fawn call, solid ivory.


nice!  Ya now I see the track  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: buckfvr on December 03, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Looks like the .243 put a spankin on it....... :yike:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 03, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
Ya, I'd have taken that too  :tup:   Itching to get out there!

whats that chewed up thing with the dog print on it?

I was thinking what is the thing with the chewed up Maalox bottle? Did the yote chew the end off it?
But it is a neat call.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
Ya, I'd have taken that too  :tup:   Itching to get out there!

whats that chewed up thing with the dog print on it?

I was thinking what is the thing with the chewed up Maalox bottle? Did the yote chew the end off it?
But it is a neat call.

I thought it was a freshette director at first glance   :tung:



Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 03, 2019, 03:06:53 PM
Ya, I'd have taken that too  :tup:   Itching to get out there!

whats that chewed up thing with the dog print on it?

I was thinking what is the thing with the chewed up Maalox bottle? Did the yote chew the end off it?
But it is a neat call.

I thought it was a freshette director at first glance   :tung:


 :dunno:  Google is a world of information.  I guess I am a bit behind the times..
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 03, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
No idea what a freshette director is.  Here are a couple better pics of the call though.  http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3167956#Post3167956
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
I was just kidding you, love the call  :tup:






Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 03, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
That is an Awesome call Bango.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 04, 2019, 06:09:52 PM
Pretty depressing day.  Went to a mountain i havent hunted in 5 years.  Therecwas always plenty of deer there.  North side of the mountain i did find lion tracks, and a very few deer tracks.  Called with no response that im aware of.  Decided to hike to the south side of the mountain.  Hardly even a deer track to be seen anywhere.  Just a damn wasteland.  Not even worth the time to call.  And the real crazy thing is, i didnt even see one single coyote track.  Tomorrow morning im going back to where i know there are deer, lions, bobs and tons of yotes hanging around.  Maybe ill get lucky and whack the cat that ripped up my buck.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 04, 2019, 11:06:35 PM
Iím seeing the same in my areas.  Ghost town
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 05, 2019, 05:25:02 AM
Well good luck out there what call are you using
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 06:30:22 AM
Closed reed fawn call.  Its the one in the pic with the yote a few posts up.  Got up to the area ill be hunting a little early.  Sitting in the truck waiting for daylight to go do my first calling session of the day.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
Damn im good
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 08:27:40 AM
.....
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 05, 2019, 08:36:06 AM
Yes!!!canít wait for more pics.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 08:36:08 AM
Calling for 23 minutes.  Weird slow movement through thick brush like 4 or 5 yards away.  Wtf is that.  Takes another sloooow step toward me.  Cougar! So close and through thick brush i had a hard time seeing it through my scope even at 2x power, when i saw fur in my scope i shot.  She went loping off funny and i shot again.  Man, that was nuts!!!!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 05, 2019, 08:36:18 AM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 05, 2019, 08:38:55 AM
Congrats again Bango.  What a great season youíve had.  Your taxidermist is going to love you
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: birdshooter1189 on December 05, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Sweet! Nice job Bango!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on December 05, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
Awesome!! beautiful cat. Any idea what it weighs?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 05, 2019, 09:16:18 AM
Gongrats Bango!

I'd say you got it figured out for sure!  Not sure anyone else is more consistantly putting down cats than you.

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 05, 2019, 09:42:01 AM
Gongrats Bango!

I'd say you got it figured out for sure!  Not sure anyone else is more consistantly putting down cats than you.

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:yeah:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 05, 2019, 09:47:31 AM
Awesome work dude.  :tup: You're tearing it up this fall.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: ljsommer on December 05, 2019, 10:09:38 AM
Is there a particular time of year where calling cats is more effective? Or is it just anytime?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on December 05, 2019, 10:33:25 AM
WOW!  WTG Bango!  This one was CLOSE!



Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: HillHound on December 05, 2019, 10:34:20 AM
Awesome Bango! Between the Bears, yotes  and the cats You are definitely doing your part.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: BreezyBear on December 05, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
You Da Man!!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: JakeLand on December 05, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Right on good job !
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Gobble Doc on December 05, 2019, 12:14:01 PM
Great shot!  Both rifle and photo.


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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
Screw it, my taxidermy bill is already getting up there this year, im getting a full mount done.  :tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: ljsommer on December 05, 2019, 02:38:56 PM
Screw it, my taxidermy bill is already getting up there this year, im getting a full mount done.  :tup:

How much does that run, if I might ask?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
Screw it, my taxidermy bill is already getting up there this year, im getting a full mount done.  :tup:

How much does that run, if I might ask?


Varies by the taxidermist.  Im getting a bit of a deal, probably because im bringing him so much damn work. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: N7XW on December 05, 2019, 03:29:29 PM
I was quoted $3500 for a full body cougar mount.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 05, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Calling for 23 minutes.  Weird slow movement through thick brush like 4 or 5 yards away.  Wtf is that.  Takes another sloooow step toward me.  Cougar! So close and through thick brush i had a hard time seeing it through my scope even at 2x power, when i saw fur in my scope i shot.  He went loping off funny and i shot again.  Man, that was nuts!!!!



NIIIIICCCEEE!!!! Way to make it happen, Bango! Write me up a good story!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 05, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
Will do steve.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: sjhgraysage on December 05, 2019, 04:57:05 PM
Awesome!!!
Congrats! Cool pics.  :tup: :drool:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: sagerat on December 05, 2019, 06:11:28 PM
Nice job man!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: MADMAX on December 05, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
Very cool congrats
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Birdguy on December 05, 2019, 08:52:24 PM
That is incredible Bango!!! Your trail cam pics are outstanding, your buck story this year was amazing! As I read this at work today I was just in AWW!! Love it! Great job, congrats on a sweet cat. Thank you so much for sharing  :tup:.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: nwwanderer on December 06, 2019, 07:54:19 AM
Going to be tough to top that, all down hill from here?  Maybe doing the same with a human killing leopard in India?  Thanks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Machias on December 06, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Awesome job!!  Congrats!!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: elkrack on December 06, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
Congrats on the success! :tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Wsucoug on December 06, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
I sat from 10 am to 4 30 pm in two different places tonight (both in deer blinds). I cycled through various calls on the fox pro trying to get a coug to show himself. I consistently get pictures of cougars in this area, so I sat all day in my two deer blinds working the call.

After about 2.5 hours in the second blind my buddy and I played "cougar in heat" a cougar popped out after about 5 mins. He/she stood there for about 10 seconds and then turned around and left. No shot.

Not getting the kill was depressing; however, after working the call all day it was nice that a cougar showed.

Anyone think i should go back to the same blind and start calling again in two days? Do you think the cougar is now familiar with ecallers and its not worth it?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 06, 2019, 06:04:08 PM
Ok, JUST POSTED!  Story # O31

Yeah, he did it again, this time right into his lap! HAND CALLED COUGAR!

Way to go, Bango!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 06, 2019, 06:04:32 PM
Just getting one to show is a big win in my book.  It helps keep the motivation up.  Doing set after set without seeing a cat can really get a guy feeling discouraged.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: gramps on December 06, 2019, 06:18:54 PM
Congrats on the cat !!!

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 08, 2019, 05:28:39 PM
Got this all cleaned up
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Timberstalker on December 08, 2019, 06:25:07 PM
Awesome Bango.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: sagerat on December 08, 2019, 08:21:48 PM
Awesome
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on December 08, 2019, 08:34:14 PM
I'm still waiting for snow in my area. My first cougar tag is burning a hole in my wallet. What's a good non-electronic call for a beginner?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2019, 08:57:40 PM
Bango is using a custom hand call, but its a fawn bleat.

I've bought half a dozen fawn bleat calls and I cant make any of them sound like a fawn bleat at all. 

But Ive had several cats come to elk calls, so I'd do cow elk calls, or better yet elk calf calls..that I can do!

If you got any elk around thatd be the ticket

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: bigskyhounds on December 08, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Calling in an animal and harvesting it is a whole other level when it comes to hunting especially predators. 

Bango it is awesome to see your success in this thread and the bear thread. Inspired me to go out and try to harvest a bear by calling. Pretty certain I had one coming in when the wind shifted game over  :yike:

I have a cougar call In story I will add as well.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: bigskyhounds on December 08, 2019, 09:36:43 PM
I have chased a ton of cats with dogs starting from the time I was about 12.  Caught everything from a 10 pound lion kitten in Canada to a 175 pound tom in MT which was biggest Tom I've been part of shooting. Only reason we shot this cat was because it was killing dogs. Caught couple bigger when quota was filled. Seen numerous cats while driving or hiking over the years but never really tried to call one in....

In places like MT and Idaho where you have quotas that maintain healthy populations I would be an advocate for shooting mature lions more so tom's. Only ever shot one female over our dogs. Being as I now live in this state that has allowed our ungulates to be mercilessly decimated I'm a strong advocate for as many predators to be removed as possible.

A friend of mine calls me one night says I heard a lion kill a deer right at dark...I decide to  go up the next morning to look around. I wait until there's good light in the timber and start walking up the old Rd. As I'm nearing the place that was describe to me the wind is blowing and swirling so I take note of the bend in the Rd and deer trails going through the draw. Perfect place to call see both directions of the Rd and part of the timbered draw. I walk up the deer trail and look for a kill site to no avail. At this point it's too windy to be effective calling. I like to be able to hear a little bit atleast while I'm sitting there calling in a wild predator. I know even then sometimes you can't hear them but I like the thought! So I decide to hike up to the top of the ridge and just look around. About an hour has passed since I checked out the area the kill was made or supposed kill and the wind had died down perfect! Game on!  I know this has been a long post but what happened literally took like minutes to transpire it was crazy!

So I walk off this Rd on same trail I had walked just an HR before...I go about 30 yds up the hill sit down under a tree...yep this is the spot...get my call out of my pack stand up walk back down trail just short of Rd turn around walk back to tree sit down...load pistol(should have used it) rifles already loaded...turn on contoller select rabbit call push button....second squeal is not even finished ...theres now a mountain lion almost standing on the trail I just walked up and down 3 times... raise rifle shoot...dead mountain lion...as it jumped into the air and did a flip I immediately started looking for the mother. This cat was just shy of 6 ft nose to tail and weighed only 50 pounds.

I know there was another cat nearby and I'm sure there was a kill somewhere close. This cat had to have been bedded down within 10 or 15 feet of the trail I used that day and when the call started it jumped up and was probably only 30 to 40 feet away.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 09, 2019, 05:04:46 AM
got any pictures?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 09, 2019, 05:44:59 AM
Awesome!  Congrats Bango!  Everyone needs to do this yearly and help those deer and elk out.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 06:06:27 AM
Awesome!  Congrats Bango!  Everyone needs to do this yearly and help those deer and elk out.

I have to take a week or so off from hunting.  Have to go to seattle for a few days  :puke: and have some other things to do when i get home, but i intend to get out doing more predator hunting after that.  Yotes, hopefully id like to get a bobcat, and a friend wants to come with to try for a lion.  But i really want to start taking out more predators.  Its tempting to just want to kick back in front of the fire at home after deer seasons over and its cold out, but ill be making myself get out calling more than i usually do.  A few days ago i was out hunting and there was a mess of ravens making a big ruckus so i went to investigate.  A little fresh snow made tracks hard to read, but im assuming this was the work of some coyotes or maybe a wolf.  From what i could tell, it looked like this young buck had been dragged down several times, getting his guts pulled out before he died.  Not a pretty way to go.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on December 09, 2019, 07:50:12 AM
Bango, good photo record.  I saw the same sequence in the snow where a pack of wolves had pulled down a  moose.  I was flying in a STOL plane in Alaska with a trapper friend, following the tracks of a pack of wolves on a frozen snow covered river when we came to where they had killed a moose, with the remains of the dead moose on the river ice.  At tree top level it was clear that the pack had jumped the moose from a thicket on shore, and pulled it down after the moose ran onto the ice.  The moose had gotten to its feet twice and each time ran a few more strides, and been pulled down each time.  Its eaten out carcass lay where it had fallen the third time.  Ugly trail of blood and tracks in the snow.  Bad way to go but that is the norm.

Worst mess of blood on snow I ever saw was where a wolverine had killed a button mule deer buck.  A rectangle at least 40x20 feet was trampled and body-pressed bloody snow.  The wolverine turned the deer on its back and ate down, bones and all till we jumped it off of the fresh carcass. The tenderloins and outer straps were yet untouched, but sternum, ribs, leg bones, leg muscles, entrails, lungs, and heart were all eaten.  Short stubs of ribs remained with chewed off ends. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on December 09, 2019, 08:11:21 AM
I'm still waiting for snow in my area. My first cougar tag is burning a hole in my wallet. What's a good non-electronic call for a beginner?

Closed reed calls are much easier to use and take almost zero learning to produce an acceptable sound.  Open reed calls require a bit of learning to "play" but are capable of producing a wide range of sounds.   If you are really new to hand calls, start with a closed reed.

Purt near any rabbit or fawn distress call will work on lions.  I'd get in touch with Rainshadow and buy one of his beauties.  If I needed the call today I'd go buy a commercial Primos jack rabbit or fawn distress or whatever brand your local sporting goods or even a Wal-Mart has.

 With many of the commercial calls, I cannot tell the difference between what they call fawn distress and jackrabbit or hare distress and sometimes bear cub distress --  and I don't think the animals know either!  :)  If it sounds like some kind of small animal or bird in trouble, most predators will come check it out. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 09, 2019, 10:20:15 AM
Just turned a moose antler base for a customer who wanted a "Royal" Cougar whistle....


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49194168408_e530ac28ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno)RoyalCoug1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr


Voiced it the same as the basic plain wood calls that I or one of my kids turn for my Cougar Packages. With a little practice it does a great Cougar Whistle.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 09, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
I have chased a ton of cats with dogs starting from the time I was about 12.  Caught everything from a 10 pound lion kitten in Canada to a 175 pound tom in MT which was biggest Tom I've been part of shooting. Only reason we shot this cat was because it was killing dogs. Caught couple bigger when quota was filled. Seen numerous cats while driving or hiking over the years but never really tried to call one in....

In places like MT and Idaho where you have quotas that maintain healthy populations I would be an advocate for shooting mature lions more so tom's. Only ever shot one female over our dogs. Being as I now live in this state that has allowed our ungulates to be mercilessly decimated I'm a strong advocate for as many predators to be removed as possible.

A friend of mine calls me one night says I heard a lion kill a deer right at dark...I decide to  go up the next morning to look around. I wait until there's good light in the timber and start walking up the old Rd. As I'm nearing the place that was describe to me the wind is blowing and swirling so I take note of the bend in the Rd and deer trails going through the draw. Perfect place to call see both directions of the Rd and part of the timbered draw. I walk up the deer trail and look for a kill site to no avail. At this point it's too windy to be effective calling. I like to be able to hear a little bit atleast while I'm sitting there calling in a wild predator. I know even then sometimes you can't hear them but I like the thought! So I decide to hike up to the top of the ridge and just look around. About an hour has passed since I checked out the area the kill was made or supposed kill and the wind had died down perfect! Game on!  I know this has been a long post but what happened literally took like minutes to transpire it was crazy!

So I walk off this Rd on same trail I had walked just an HR before...I go about 30 yds up the hill sit down under a tree...yep this is the spot...get my call out of my pack stand up walk back down trail just short of Rd turn around walk back to tree sit down...load pistol(should have used it) rifles already loaded...turn on contoller select rabbit call push button....second squeal is not even finished ...theres now a mountain lion almost standing on the trail I just walked up and down 3 times... raise rifle shoot...dead mountain lion...as it jumped into the air and did a flip I immediately started looking for the mother. This cat was just shy of 6 ft nose to tail and weighed only 50 pounds.

I know there was another cat nearby and I'm sure there was a kill somewhere close. This cat had to have been bedded down within 10 or 15 feet of the trail I used that day and when the call started it jumped up and was probably only 30 to 40 feet away.


Big Sky, would like to flesh out the call-in part of the post and get it on my website if possible? Send me a mssg?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 10:21:20 AM
Thats a beauty there man.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 09, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Bango, good photo record.  I saw the same sequence in the snow where a pack of wolves had pulled down a  moose.  I was flying in a STOL plane in Alaska with a trapper friend, following the tracks of a pack of wolves on a frozen snow covered river when we came to where they had killed a moose, with the remains of the dead moose on the river ice.  At tree top level it was clear that the pack had jumped the moose from a thicket on shore, and pulled it down after the moose ran onto the ice.  The moose had gotten to its feet twice and each time ran a few more strides, and been pulled down each time.  Its eaten out carcass lay where it had fallen the third time.  Ugly trail of blood and tracks in the snow.  Bad way to go but that is the norm.

Worst mess of blood on snow I ever saw was where a wolverine had killed a button mule deer buck.  A rectangle at least 40x20 feet was trampled and body-pressed bloody snow.  The wolverine turned the deer on its back and ate down, bones and all till we jumped it off of the fresh carcass. The tenderloins and outer straps were yet untouched, but sternum, ribs, leg bones, leg muscles, entrails, lungs, and heart were all eaten.  Short stubs of ribs remained with chewed off ends.


Worst I ever came across was a Lion kill in the upper Dungeness. It had obviously been an ambush from above the road, the cut bank in the location was 20' high. Fresh snow, the entire full width of the roadbed was sprayed with blood for 70 feet. Looked like a gladiator arena! 8" of snow all churned up and mixed with blood. Quite the scene. I found a dismembered deer leg downhill of it, like maybe coyotes moved in and cleaned up the cashed deer. Definitely a Cougar kill due to tracks of the cat fighting the deer down, but there was no cashe. I thought I had a picture of it, but I can't find it, that was probably 2010.

Same era, over to the east of that one, I found where a pair of coyotes had tracked a deer up a road for over a mile, then squared off with it and killed it in a landing. Other Coyotes had joined it at some point. Not as much blood, but that thing was gone too! Just a patch of hair about a square foot sitting in the middle of the landing, looked like it was from the withers or thereabouts. Cold cold snap of winter, they were hungry I guess.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2019, 10:31:27 AM
Just turned a moose antler base for a customer who wanted a "Royal" Cougar whistle....


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49194168408_e530ac28ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno)RoyalCoug1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr


Voiced it the same as the basic plain wood calls that I or one of my kids turn for my Cougar Packages. With a little practice it does a great Cougar Whistle.

I've got your regular cougar whistle, it lives on my lanyard and I can make very good whistles from it that sound just like all the youtube whistles   :tup:   :tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 10:35:08 AM
Just turned a moose antler base for a customer who wanted a "Royal" Cougar whistle....


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49194168408_e530ac28ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno)RoyalCoug1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hX7Yno) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr


Voiced it the same as the basic plain wood calls that I or one of my kids turn for my Cougar Packages. With a little practice it does a great Cougar Whistle.

I've got your regular cougar whistle, it lives on my lanyard and I can make very good whistles from it that sound just like all the youtube whistles   :tup:   :tup:

Ive got it too.  Makes a very realistic sound.  At first i couldnt get the sound i wanted out of it, but i found that blowing hard into it you can get the whistle just right, its a really cool call, just started using it this season, and its coming with me lion hunting every time now to use after im done making fawn noises.  One more ace up the sleeve to have for anybody targeting lions.  Replicates the whistle very well. 

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2019, 10:41:26 AM
Ya, I do an initial burst of air at a pretty high pressure then quickly reduce the pressure,  I kinda do a wEEEeeeew and it comes out nice,  it takes practice to get the high pitch then immediate trailing pitch,  and now I can prolong the trailing part of the whistle  to  wEEEeeeeeeewwww  for a more begging type call, sometimes I'll throw in a bit of gravel on the end from my voice and the trailing part of the whistle will get a bit of rasp to it. 



Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
Ya, I do an initial burst of air at a pretty high pressure then quickly reduce the pressure,  I kinda do a wEEEeeeew and it comes out nice,  it takes practice to get the high pitch then immediate trailing pitch

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: bigskyhounds on December 09, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
Bango any chance that's the lion that attacked your buck? Just curious that would be a cool story and make for a unique taxidermy opportunity.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 02:52:37 PM
Very good chance.  Same area.  I like to think its the one.  Got my coyote a couple days earlier in the same area too.  I figure if a guy is going to try to thin out some predators he may as well do it where he hunts deer.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2019, 03:10:06 PM
Very good chance.  Same area.  I like to think its the one.  Got my coyote a couple days earlier in the same area too.  I figure if a guy is going to try to thin out some predators he may as well do it where he hunts deer.

There's that male too you thought mighta been near when you got that girl in your avatar,   but then the male mighta killed the buck too

so ya, I'd go with it
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 09, 2019, 03:14:09 PM
Yeah, more than 1 lion around there, but it makes me feel good to think i got the culprit, so im going to go with that.  Now next year i need to stick an arrow in the buck that busted up my bucks rack, and the universe will be right again.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: gramps on December 10, 2019, 10:17:38 AM
I had a very young Bull Moose walk right through my calling set a couple days ago.  His antlers were barely visible and he didn't look anywhere but straight ahead, didn't stop.  this was in the Blues.

In 11 days of calling so far I have only found one set of cougar tracks in all my favorite places.  But LOTS of wolf tracks and sightings of a single and 2 sperate pairs.  A WDFW employee told me the Touchet Pack had 6 pups this year....how is that old song?   Summertime and the livin' is easy
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 10, 2019, 10:25:05 AM
We'll see, Gramps. I don't agree with scorched earth eradication, but I think wolves should be shot (at least shot AT) whenever they're in range. This protection and proliferation is just a bad bad idea. Both in numbers and in socialization. I dread the "wait and see what happens" management approach to wolves.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
If you're finding a ton of wolf tracks try getting higher up on the ridges and rocks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
We'll see, Gramps. I don't agree with scorched earth eradication, but I think wolves should be shot (at least shot AT) whenever they're in range. This protection and proliferation is just a bad bad idea. Both in numbers and in socialization. I dread the "wait and see what happens" management approach to wolves.

I agree.  It used to be a thrill to see one or sign of one.   Now it just turns my gut
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 11, 2019, 02:18:47 PM
Somebody (who shall remain nameless, who just killed a Cougar with an ivory call) requested an Ivory Cougar Whistle!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49205980677_4633fe241b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hYavKc)SlagCall2 (https://flic.kr/p/2hYavKc) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 02:27:14 PM
Sweet!

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 2MANY on December 11, 2019, 03:04:53 PM
My crew is pretty good at whistling cougars.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 11, 2019, 04:41:15 PM
So all Iíd tell my girlfriend I want for Christmas is your cougar calling set up, any chance you can spoil it and let me know if a calls been shipped to Republic? If not Iíll have an order after Christmas. Cut 4 tracks in the fresh snow searching for elk, seems like the cats were too!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 11, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
Somebody (who shall remain nameless, who just killed a Cougar with an ivory call) requested an Ivory Cougar Whistle!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49205980677_4633fe241b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hYavKc)SlagCall2 (https://flic.kr/p/2hYavKc) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49205778486_9737f8b9d6.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hY9tD9)SlagCall1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hY9tD9) by Steve Tormala (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142732471@N06/), on Flickr

Cant wait to try it out, but i guess ill have to.  Stuck in seattle for a couple more days.  But when i get home, a friend is chomping at the bit to get a lion, and come january ill be calling lions and wolves in idaho, so ill get a chance to break that call in soon.  Thanks again, looks awesome.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 11, 2019, 06:45:45 PM
That is awesome
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 12, 2019, 03:30:04 PM
So all Iíd tell my girlfriend I want for Christmas is your cougar calling set up, any chance you can spoil it and let me know if a calls been shipped to Republic? If not Iíll have an order after Christmas. Cut 4 tracks in the fresh snow searching for elk, seems like the cats were too!


 :chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 12, 2019, 06:09:55 PM
All I found were bob tracks everywhere

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 12, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
All I found were bob tracks everywhere

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Thats what ill be out lookin for saturday morning.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2019, 05:31:16 PM
Got on a nice lion track, looked to be a nice big female and no cubs following her. So I started trailing her.

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Got down in the woods a good ways, it was hella fresh track

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I was trying to get a since of where it was as going, but appeared to be hunting or just milling around aimlessly

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So I started looking for a good place to setup,  kinda half way following the lion

Danget!  I went to far in trailing it

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Not hard to see what she was doing when I came busting up on her trail   :chuckle:

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: buckfvr on December 13, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
She was making snow angels.......
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2019, 06:21:49 PM
It didn't look like she busted out hard, thought she mighta not been sure what I was so I tried to call;  I thought about charging down on her making a ton of noise to see if I could get her up a tree. decided that'd be a good way to bust my one good knee  :bash:

so I went down a ways and off to the side and tried calling.  no response.    tried a chirp whistle, nada


So I went down to the bottom of the ravine I thought she may have fled down and got in front of her,  about an hour later set up another call site.  nada


drove a big circle around the area, she never crossed a road.  To bad I gotta work in the morning


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 13, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Close, but no cigar.👍
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 14, 2019, 03:18:24 AM
Damn, too bad ya jumped it before calling.  Ill be out looking for fresh bob tracks today.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 14, 2019, 09:57:47 AM
I jumped one off the road in a heavy snowfall once. I donít think theyíre far ahead in that kind of scenario, but I think the calling jig is up.

(If you have the legs and lungs for it, itís time to hike hard on their track. Takes a mountain athlete - which I havenít been since the 90ís! - but I think itís effective. Thatís one of the reasons I wanna get non-calling boot hunt stories on my website.)

I overtracked one with Rick from Buck Canyon on Roosevelt one time too... and I knew it!

I realized it and I broke hard right and got out of the timber onto the benches overlooking the lake. Sure enough, there it was, about 100yd, two benches down, loping away.

Almost got that one. Shot just over its back as it did that real undulating loping jog they do. Then it was into new brush and timber, started sneaking then too, doubling back, 90 degree turns around obstacles... theyíre amazing sneakers.

I broke off and let it go. Fresh snow. If I was alone I might have humped on that ones tracks, but my boys were up the hill with Rick, and there was patches of private land below... I gave up.

Great hunt, KF!

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 14, 2019, 10:21:02 AM
When I jumped it,  I wasn't sure what to do.  I didn't think I could tree it or run it down with a bum knee and being in Dad bod, office rat shape  :chuckle:

fawn bleat?

angry WT calls?

Cougar Whistles?


So I ended up doing a fawn bleat then when it didn't show up pretty quickly I swapped to Cougar whistles.  I didn't hear a thing with the foxpro  "RS live whistle" which I tend to hit the mute button on a lot cause I think it calls too frequently if you just let it play...then tracked down a bit further to see if it had circled me...nope.   

Then I swapped to the cougar whistle from Rainshadow blowing it manually and I *think* I heard a response but my hearing in those frequencies suck to say the least. 

So I sat for another 20 min or so occasionally blowing the whistle trying to mimic some of those youtube cougar whistling video's from trail cameras.  Nothing showed,  that's when I went back up got in the truck and went down below the cat thinking it was making its way down and out of the timbered plateau I was on to the creek bottom. 

made a stand where I thought it would come out,  nothing.


It was fun! 

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 14, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
I jumped one off the road in a heavy snowfall once. I donít think theyíre far ahead in that kind of scenario, but I think the calling jig is up.

I think next time I cut a blazing fresh track I'm not going to follow it in so far, maybe keep driving 1/4 to 1/2 a mile up the road from the tracks, then walk back and call almost from the road.  Maybe climb a knob if there's one close but I'm not going down in after it until I've made an initial call from no more than about 30-50 yards off the road where I cut the track. 

I've followed lions plenty of times before, cut sign then follow the tracks for miles and never did find the end, but that track/s was more of a bee line than this track.   

I should have known when I was thinking "where the heck is this cat going?"  I asked myself, as it was meandering around.  So I should have stopped and called, but the area wasn't ideal for calling unless you want it in your lap! 

So I was looking for a good area to call when I found that cougar snow angel, and the gig was up.


I caulked this up to a lesson learned.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 14, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
When I jumped it,  I wasn't sure what to do.  I didn't think I could tree it or run it down with a bum knee and being in Dad bod, office rat shape  :chuckle:

fawn bleat?

angry WT calls?

Cougar Whistles?


So I ended up doing a fawn bleat then when it didn't show up pretty quickly I swapped to Cougar whistles.  I didn't hear a thing with the foxpro  "RS live whistle" which I tend to hit the mute button on a lot cause I think it calls too frequently if you just let it play...then tracked down a bit further to see if it had circled me...nope.   

Then I swapped to the cougar whistle from Rainshadow blowing it manually and I *think* I heard a response but my hearing in those frequencies suck to say the least. 

So I sat for another 20 min or so occasionally blowing the whistle trying to mimic some of those youtube cougar whistling video's from trail cameras.  Nothing showed,  that's when I went back up got in the truck and went down below the cat thinking it was making its way down and out of the timbered plateau I was on to the creek bottom. 

made a stand where I thought it would come out,  nothing.


It was fun!


Did you get the offer I made to send former customers "S Live Whistles"?  Live whistles is real time, but it is young excited and begging. I decided to slow it way down. So I made the "S" version. Send me an email I'll send you a link.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 14, 2019, 01:50:44 PM
When I jumped it,  I wasn't sure what to do.  I didn't think I could tree it or run it down with a bum knee and being in Dad bod, office rat shape  :chuckle:

fawn bleat?

angry WT calls?

Cougar Whistles?


So I ended up doing a fawn bleat then when it didn't show up pretty quickly I swapped to Cougar whistles.  I didn't hear a thing with the foxpro  "RS live whistle" which I tend to hit the mute button on a lot cause I think it calls too frequently if you just let it play...then tracked down a bit further to see if it had circled me...nope.   

Then I swapped to the cougar whistle from Rainshadow blowing it manually and I *think* I heard a response but my hearing in those frequencies suck to say the least. 

So I sat for another 20 min or so occasionally blowing the whistle trying to mimic some of those youtube cougar whistling video's from trail cameras.  Nothing showed,  that's when I went back up got in the truck and went down below the cat thinking it was making its way down and out of the timbered plateau I was on to the creek bottom. 

made a stand where I thought it would come out,  nothing.


It was fun!


You can always set up and call, then if nothing, you can move further up the track. First cat I had in the scope I did that based on how far the sound would travel. (I have a video link on the call-in story page.) It came in at 1h:10m.

I've come across the snow melt bed before too. I tracked past it and it went right up a wall, so I decided to drive around, even though the next road was about 2 miles away... sure enough the tracks crossed. That set of tracks went over 7 miles in a straight line across three huge ridges in one night. I never caught up to it. But the only place it meandered was right before the bed.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 15, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
I have heard them more vocal than rs whistle.   I was starting to get sleepy from being too still for too long when I noticed way too much noise. Hit pause and that cat talked for 20 min non stop while I strained my eyes desperately trying to see the cat.  Never did lay eyes on it
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2019, 07:15:40 AM
New fawn bleat

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on December 19, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
New fawn bleat

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191219/8deb2d9b5f76e6ea23e6792281eea3b1.jpg)

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I've seen that bleat. Waiting on a fresh batch from a call maker referred to me by Bango so I can pick one. Here is a good question for the experienced hand callers. There is a sweet red call that I really like but was thinking it would be wiser to go with earthy tones if it's hanging from my neck. What would be the consensus here?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 19, 2019, 03:42:00 PM
Get the color call you like.  Little movements will get you busted long before a red call.  Its a non issue i would think.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 19, 2019, 04:07:45 PM
That call is awesome! Very cool, who made it?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 19, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
That call is awesome! Very cool, who made it?

Turkeyrivercalls.com
Youre on predatormasters, right?  Hes BMeyer.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on December 20, 2019, 09:42:25 PM
Oh Iíve got one of his, girlfriend got it for me thinking it was a predator call and we found out itís actually tuned for elk haha. Iíll have to look at his new ones, the panels are pretty cool.


Nope, just checked I was wrong. I wish I had one of his. I love carved calls, those are awesome!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 20, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
Ya, got to use it today it sounds great, nice to hold and got some heft to it, and doesnt sound plasticky

Its on the lanyard with a Phelps, two RR calls,  and a rainshadow call

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 21, 2019, 03:16:58 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: gramps on December 21, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
Same rumor for the NW part of the Blues
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 21, 2019, 03:40:41 PM
Maybe a couple will stay open through april, and i can start trying to notch my 2020 tag come april 1st.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: dilleytech on December 22, 2019, 01:02:41 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.

I find it hard to believe every unit hasnít gone over there quota all ready. unless people just arenít getting cats sealed. My region goes at least 3x over the quota by the end of December. Are all the fish and game killed problem cats not counted? That alone would tip over our quota.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: buckfvr on December 22, 2019, 01:16:32 PM
I believe at this time, wdfw problem cats do NOT count towards quota........
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 22, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.

I find it hard to believe every unit hasnít gone over there quota all ready. unless people just arenít getting cats sealed. My region goes at least 3x over the quota by the end of December. Are all the fish and game killed problem cats not counted? That alone would tip over our quota.

No, those dont count. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 22, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.

I find it hard to believe every unit hasnít gone over there quota all ready. unless people just arenít getting cats sealed. My region goes at least 3x over the quota by the end of December. Are all the fish and game killed problem cats not counted? That alone would tip over our quota.

No, those dont count.
Every year I hear that they don't count, but I believe they do.


All cougars killed by licensed hunters during the early and late hunting seasons, and seasons authorized under WAC 220-440-030 shall be counted toward the harvest guideline.


Here's a link

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 22, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
So with quotas meet from problem cougar,and hunters.I would expect a lot of quotas at max ,gmu's shut down on the Jan 1,2020
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 22, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.

I find it hard to believe every unit hasnít gone over there quota all ready. unless people just arenít getting cats sealed. My region goes at least 3x over the quota by the end of December. Are all the fish and game killed problem cats not counted? That alone would tip over our quota.

No, those dont count.
Every year I hear that they don't count, but I believe they do.


All cougars killed by licensed hunters during the early and late hunting seasons, and seasons authorized under WAC 220-440-030 shall be counted toward the harvest guideline.


Here's a link

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
  depredations are not "licensed hunters" or "seasons"  im absolutely 100% positive that they dont count. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 22, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
So with quotas meet from problem cougar,and hunters.I would expect a lot of quotas at max ,gmu's shut down on the Jan 1,2020

Every single one would be every single year.  Depredation removals do not count.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 22, 2019, 03:21:45 PM
I didn't end up going out,  sat up all night hacking up my lungs. 

I think I had something come in last friday, but I got in a coughing fit and busted .    but I can't confirm I didn't go up looking at tracks after coughing during a stand


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 25, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Aw the dreaded cough. Ruined many of hunts for me
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2019, 07:49:59 PM
Rumor has it that so far none of the ne units have hit their quotas.

I find it hard to believe every unit hasnít gone over there quota all ready. unless people just arenít getting cats sealed. My region goes at least 3x over the quota by the end of December. Are all the fish and game killed problem cats not counted? That alone would tip over our quota.

No, those dont count.
Every year I hear that they don't count, but I believe they do.


All cougars killed by licensed hunters during the early and late hunting seasons, and seasons authorized under WAC 220-440-030 shall be counted toward the harvest guideline.


Here's a link

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
  depredations are not "licensed hunters" or "seasons"  im absolutely 100% positive that they dont count.

So your positive.

Go to this link

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar

Then it says

All cougars killed by licensed hunters during the early and late hunting seasons, and seasons authorized under WAC 220-440-030 shall be counted toward the harvest guideline.

Then this link will show that wac 220-440-030
Are problem cougars removed.

https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-440-030

When the WDFW gives a hound permit,or property owner depredation permits its pretty much giving them a season authorized under wac 220-440-030 for cougar safety removal that counts towards quota believe it or not.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 25, 2019, 07:53:45 PM
Yes im positive.  You dont have to believe me if you dont want to.  And i get the impression youre grossly underestimating the number of depredation removals going on if you think theyre counting them toward the harvest quotas.  Maybe they can but theyre currently not doing so.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 25, 2019, 08:40:13 PM
There are a lot more than quota numbers killed by depredation hunts
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 25, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
There are a lot more than quota numbers killed by depredation hunts

Yup.  There would never be any ne unit open past dec 31st if they were applying depredation removals to the harvest guidelines.  Certainly not this year.  This is a record year for depredations.  Even a game warden, who seems to me they dont generally tend to talk about these things, told me theyve been absolutely hammering the cats this year.  As of august there had already been more lethal removals this year than there was for the entire calendar year of 2018.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2019, 11:20:57 PM
There are a lot more than quota numbers killed by depredation hunts

Yup.  There would never be any ne unit open past dec 31st if they were applying depredation removals to the harvest guidelines.
They pretty much close it every year Jan 1, have you ever seen a NE unit open till April since the quotas.
I'm not sure where you guys get your info.But each cougar incident is recorded on the WDFW website I can provide link if you guys like.Most are cougar sighting,or warden provides info of how to deal with living with wildlife .It pretty much gives you the report,if cat,dog,livestock damage,and if hounds or depredation permit,and if they killed a cat which is a lot lower than you might think .These reports are for the whole state.For the whole year,and up to fours years back.
When you go to WDFW to look at map first you have to get to just 2019,than you have to click on the star location a report for that location comes up at bottom of map ,than this is the most important part you have to read the report for each time a warden is called for cougar incident.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/living/dangerous-wildlife/reports
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 12:31:13 AM
There are a lot more than quota numbers killed by depredation hunts

Yup.  There would never be any ne unit open past dec 31st if they were applying depredation removals to the harvest guidelines.
They pretty much close it every year Jan 1, have you ever seen a NE unit open till April since the quotas.
I'm not sure where you guys get your info.But each cougar incident is recorded on the WDFW website I can provide link if you guys like.Most are cougar sighting,or warden provides info of how to deal with living with wildlife .It pretty much gives you the report,if cat,dog,livestock damage,and if hounds or depredation permit,and if they killed a cat which is a lot lower than you might think .These reports are for the whole state.For the whole year,and up to fours years back.
When you go to WDFW to look at map first you have to get to just 2019,than you have to click on the star location a report for that location comes up at bottom of map ,than this is the most important part you have to read the report for each time a warden is called for cougar incident.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/living/dangerous-wildlife/reports
cant remember if it was last winter or winter before, 113 stayed open through april
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 12:34:15 AM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

I didnt say im "so sure" that everything will stay open into january this year, just that thats the rumor.  I am so sure though, that depredstion removals dont count toward the qed uotas, except for those where the landowner chooses to put their tag on the animal.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 06:58:40 AM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

I didnt say im "so sure" that everything will stay open into january this year, just that thats the rumor.  I am so sure though, that depredstion removals dont count toward the qed uotas, except for those where the landowner chooses to put their tag on the animal.
I pretty sure a few units will stay open.Just cause cat removal was low in some units.

Depredation cat removal counting towards quotas it been that way for years since they started quotas.It has always said it on there website.Unless you have some kind of info besides rumor .I have to believe what there website says.Wardens just call the houndsman if needed and make a report Its our friends on the Westside WDFW that wright the rules or count towards quota.

Honestly I don't wanna argue with ya ,your a stand up guy,You have had a hell of season.
Looks like you do your part in the predator department helping out wildlife.Pretty much Got us two bear tags , and seeing your kills\acomplishmimts is a great thing.

With that said Good luck on your upcoming hunts .I will agree to disagree .I'm out on this topic.










Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2019, 08:15:10 AM
First couple years of the quota's they closed a lot more than this last year and perhaps the year prior,  we've had what 4 years of quotas?   

Something changed half way through. 


I think they quit counting state kills of cougar towards the quota, but obviously still count them for other reasons.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

What did I say that you disagree with? @hunter399
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on December 26, 2019, 10:41:47 AM
Anybody done any calling in Capitol Forest near Olympia? I've been there many times over the years looking for turkey and it seems like prime lion territory. Lots of deer sign over the years. I was considering doing lion hunting while early scouting for easterns.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on December 26, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
Anybody done any calling in Capitol Forest near Olympia? I've been there many times over the years looking for turkey and it seems like prime lion territory. Lots of deer sign over the years. I was considering doing lion hunting while early scouting for easterns.

I've thought about hunting up there but I haven't done it yet. There are lots of sightings up there and also a lot of depredation on the boundaries. I think it would be a great spot to go. I just don't like the crowd numbers and have spots that have been producing well so I haven't bothered to go that direction. It would definitely be worth looking for tracks in the snow.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

I didnt say im "so sure" that everything will stay open into january this year, just that thats the rumor.  I am so sure though, that depredstion removals dont count toward the qed uotas, except for those where the landowner chooses to put their tag on the animal.
I pretty sure a few units will stay open.Just cause cat removal was low in some units.

Depredation cat removal counting towards quotas it been that way for years since they started quotas.It has always said it on there website.Unless you have some kind of info besides rumor .I have to believe what there website says.Wardens just call the houndsman if needed and make a report Its our friends on the Westside WDFW that wright the rules or count towards quota.

Honestly I don't wanna argue with ya ,your a stand up guy,You have had a hell of season.
Looks like you do your part in the predator department helping out wildlife.Pretty much Got us two bear tags , and seeing your kills\acomplishmimts is a great thing.

With that said Good luck on your upcoming hunts .I will agree to disagree .I'm out on this topic.

Is this good enough for you??  I told you i was absolutely positive, didnt i?  I wouldnt say i was positive if i was just pretty sure.  Just emailed this morning and got the reply already.  He is the wdfw game division manager and previously the large carnivore section manager.  Pretty sure he knows what hes saying.  This is straight from the horses mouth.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2019, 03:22:22 PM
And am I crazy or was this not hashed out last year and discussed?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

I didnt say im "so sure" that everything will stay open into january this year, just that thats the rumor.  I am so sure though, that depredstion removals dont count toward the qed uotas, except for those where the landowner chooses to put their tag on the animal.
I pretty sure a few units will stay open.Just cause cat removal was low in some units.

Depredation cat removal counting towards quotas it been that way for years since they started quotas.It has always said it on there website.Unless you have some kind of info besides rumor .I have to believe what there website says.Wardens just call the houndsman if needed and make a report Its our friends on the Westside WDFW that wright the rules or count towards quota.

Honestly I don't wanna argue with ya ,your a stand up guy,You have had a hell of season.
Looks like you do your part in the predator department helping out wildlife.Pretty much Got us two bear tags , and seeing your kills\acomplishmimts is a great thing.

With that said Good luck on your upcoming hunts .I will agree to disagree .I'm out on this topic.

Is this good enough for you??  I told you i was absolutely positive, didnt i?  I wouldnt say i was positive if i was just pretty sure.  Just emailed this morning and got the reply already.  He is the wdfw game division manager and previously the large carnivore section manager.  Pretty sure he knows what hes saying.  This is straight from the horses mouth.
All I'm gonna say is you have way to much trust in WDFW.
Why don't ya email him back and ask him ,To change the wording on the website where it say it does count and see what his response is.
Since you trust his word so much.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 06:42:09 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2019, 06:44:55 PM
399 you posted a link to wdfw as your source, my guy :dunno:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 06:50:18 PM
 :chuckle:
399 you posted a link to wdfw as your source, my guy :dunno:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 26, 2019, 06:51:02 PM
So now you guys know what I know.And you guys sound so sure the NE Washington will be open for cougars.
I guess we will see.
@Bango spank
@Jonathan_s

I didnt say im "so sure" that everything will stay open into january this year, just that thats the rumor.  I am so sure though, that depredstion removals dont count toward the qed uotas, except for those where the landowner chooses to put their tag on the animal.
I pretty sure a few units will stay open.Just cause cat removal was low in some units.

Depredation cat removal counting towards quotas it been that way for years since they started quotas.It has always said it on there website.Unless you have some kind of info besides rumor .I have to believe what there website says.Wardens just call the houndsman if needed and make a report Its our friends on the Westside WDFW that wright the rules or count towards quota.

Honestly I don't wanna argue with ya ,your a stand up guy,You have had a hell of season.
Looks like you do your part in the predator department helping out wildlife.Pretty much Got us two bear tags , and seeing your kills\acomplishmimts is a great thing.

With that said Good luck on your upcoming hunts .I will agree to disagree .I'm out on this topic.

Is this good enough for you??  I told you i was absolutely positive, didnt i?  I wouldnt say i was positive if i was just pretty sure.  Just emailed this morning and got the reply already.  He is the wdfw game division manager and previously the large carnivore section manager.  Pretty sure he knows what hes saying.  This is straight from the horses mouth.
All I'm gonna say is you have way to much trust in WDFW.
Why don't ya email him back and ask him ,To change the wording on the website where it say it does count and see what his response is.
Since you trust his word so much.

Where does it say it counts? Im trying to find it but dont see it.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 07:02:20 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
You might be forgeting or maybe your not old enough I'm not sure which.But there was a time when we hunted them till March without quotas.
With that said.
X= amount of cougar for the whole state Which nobody really knows so it's a joke.

X=amount of harvest each year /May it be depredations-or legal harvest.

WDFW have the rules wrote in there favor to close it whenever there harvest is reached.Depredations/or legal harvest .
Don't be mad at me that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
I just gave you an answer directly from the game division manager.  Even aside from what he says, i know 100% that they are not counting depredation removals.  Im not mad, youre just flat out wrong.  And your stubborness and refusal to admit that youre wrong is just making you look like a fool.  Just stop.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Buckhunter24 on December 26, 2019, 07:11:27 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
You might be forgeting or maybe your not old enough I'm not sure which.But there was a time when we hunted them till March without quotas.
With that said.
X= amount of cougar for the whole state Which nobody really knows so it's a joke.

X=amount of harvest each year /May it be depredations-or legal harvest.

WDFW have the rules wrote in there favor to close it whenever there harvest is reached.Depredations/or legal harvest .
Don't be mad at me that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

399 as far as i can tell if its not tagged its not a harvest. Just like if one got whacked by a car it wouldnt be counted towards quota
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 07:16:20 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
You might be forgeting or maybe your not old enough I'm not sure which.But there was a time when we hunted them till March without quotas.
With that said.
X= amount of cougar for the whole state Which nobody really knows so it's a joke.

X=amount of harvest each year /May it be depredations-or legal harvest.

WDFW have the rules wrote in there favor to close it whenever there harvest is reached.Depredations/or legal harvest .
Don't be mad at me that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

399 as far as i can tell if its not tagged its not a harvest. Just like if one got whacked by a car it wouldnt be counted towards quota

If he wont listen to the game division manager i doubt hell listen to you either.  He wants to believe that this imaginary injustice exists.  As if there arent enough real ways that the game department actually is screwing us.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 07:16:50 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
You might be forgeting or maybe your not old enough I'm not sure which.But there was a time when we hunted them till March without quotas.
With that said.
X= amount of cougar for the whole state Which nobody really knows so it's a joke.

X=amount of harvest each year /May it be depredations-or legal harvest.

WDFW have the rules wrote in there favor to close it whenever there harvest is reached.Depredations/or legal harvest .
Don't be mad at me that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

399 as far as i can tell if its not tagged its not a harvest. Just like if one got whacked by a car it wouldnt be counted towards quota
Well wardens are allowing property owner to tag them,according to bango those don't count towards quotas too.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
Never said i was certain about the depredations thst get tagged.  I wouldnt be surprised either way.  Ive never looked into that part of it before.  That email response i got made it sound like those dont count either, but his wording didnt leave me completely confident in that.  I intend to look into it more, becauseci want to know for certain.  But the normal depredation removals, the ones that dont end up being kept by the landowners, im positive do not count.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
Wow.  You just really dont like to admit that youre wrong.  Whatever, think what you want. 

Its not just one guys word im trusting either.  But whatever.
You might be forgeting or maybe your not old enough I'm not sure which.But there was a time when we hunted them till March without quotas.
With that said.
X= amount of cougar for the whole state Which nobody really knows so it's a joke.

X=amount of harvest each year /May it be depredations-or legal harvest.

WDFW have the rules wrote in there favor to close it whenever there harvest is reached.Depredations/or legal harvest .
Don't be mad at me that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

399 as far as i can tell if its not tagged its not a harvest. Just like if one got whacked by a car it wouldnt be counted towards quota

If he wont listen to the game division manager i doubt hell listen to you either.  He wants to believe that this imaginary injustice exists.  As if there arent enough real ways that the game department actually is screwing us.
All I can say is he can send you a email today,and change his mind tommorow and count them just like the WDFW website says they do.You might be over trusting him.Maybe that's something you can get changed. :dunno:
Why don't you tell the horse to change what it says on there website.Where it says they do count.
It was wrote that way for a reason , one year might have very little depredation - Well where not gonna count them.The next year can be explosion of depredations -we have to count them .It gives your horse the power to do what he see fit from a year to year basis.
But if you think it's wrote in stone that they don't count them when it clearly says on there web-site they do .
You clearly can't read between the lines or lies that is the WDFW.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: ne kid on December 26, 2019, 07:34:32 PM
Bango skank is absolutely 100% correct. I had two depredation cougars this year.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 26, 2019, 07:39:46 PM
This has been 3 straight pages arguing about wdfw policy on the cougar calling thread.  Im done, dont care if people dont believe what im saying.  This is a thread about calling lions, not arguing what wdfws policy is.  Thst crap belongs here.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=242231.new#new
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2019, 07:52:22 PM
This has been 3 straight pages arguing about wdfw policy on the cougar calling thread.  Im done, dont care if people dont believe what im saying.  This is a thread about calling lions, not arguing what wdfws policy is.
With that said.
I was out today walking around.Snow is very crunchy .Did one calling set ,no takers.I cut one set of cougar tracks looked to be from about a week ago when the snow was soft.Didn't really see any yote tracks in the area .But snow so hard they can walk on top of course.I will be out the next few days with gmu possible closed.So just trying to get a few days in.Maybe in between snow storms I will find fresh tracks maybe.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on December 28, 2019, 07:09:10 PM
More snow coming Tuesday.  Last min for most areas Iím sure
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 28, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
Ill be calling cougars again in 3 1/2 days.  I may or may not make an attempt or two to call in a bob tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on December 28, 2019, 10:04:58 PM
Just pulled the trigger on a custom fawn bleat. The red one 8) Can't wait for it to get here. Can't wait for the snow either. It's nice to have clear roads but not cutting tracks. I might just head into the forest and do some cold stands while scouting.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
Just pulled the trigger on a custom fawn bleat. The red one 8) Can't wait for it to get here. Can't wait for the snow either. It's nice to have clear roads but not cutting tracks. I might just head into the forest and do some cold stands while scouting.


My call settled down after a while,  at first it was pretty raspy and chirpy, but now it's smoooooth and sounds great!


There seems to be a break in period.   


@Bango skank    did you notice a break in period?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 12:34:36 PM
Nope.  Just gotta play with them and find the right air pressure to use to get the right yone, and slightly blocking the front with your hand can change the tone significantly too.  And they can still make good rabbit squaley noises too if ya put more wind into them.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 12:37:53 PM
huh, maybe I just got better with it because it seems smoother now then when I first got it.   I assume he and all other call makers just use pretty much the same guts, all you're buying is the art.   I like the dense wood over plastic so you definatly get different resonation...like your call is going to sound different than mine even with the same internals.


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 29, 2019, 03:26:53 PM
What kind of tracks are these?
Went out to do some calling this afternoon and discovered a few things.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 29, 2019, 03:50:18 PM
So went out today and found this deer dead ,all cat tracks lots of bobcat tracks which were smaller than the one pic above .Then one set of tracks from pic above , So instead of calling I started following those tracks.No coyotes tracks around kill site but coyotes in the area for sure.Few times about 1/2 mile from kill site tracks above got intersected with coyote tracks.Then I started finding blood in the tracks above followed for about a mile maybe more intell they left public land.But then circled out planing on going back at first light set the Fox pro out .Good idea or not.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
Those are cougar tracks, good chance you might see the cat when it comes back to the kill, if it hasn't been spooked out of the area, right before dark in the evening is an excellent time, the sooner you can get on the cat the better, I'm thinking your local coyotes will clean up that kill quickly since it's not hidden.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 29, 2019, 04:05:46 PM
Those are cougar tracks, good chance you might see the cat when it comes back to the kill, if it hasn't been spooked out of the area, right before dark in the evening is an excellent time, the sooner you can get on the cat the better, I'm thinking your local coyotes will clean up that kill quickly since it's not hidden.

Do you think I should call,or just sit on that kill site.Snow is three days old , and only the one set of cougar tracks .But a lot of bobcat ,looked like a whole litter of bobcat been going to it the past three days.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 29, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
So help me to get straight. You guys hunting cougar by your self? And calling cat to come at you not decoy? Thanks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 04:18:53 PM
So help me to get straight. You guys hunting cougar by your self? And calling cat to come at you not decoy? Thanks

Yessir.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: gramps on December 29, 2019, 04:25:12 PM
 :yeah:

and it is very exciting to know one has fooled a very large predator
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 29, 2019, 04:53:29 PM
So help me to get straight. You guys hunting cougar by your self? And calling cat to come at you not decoy? Thanks

Yessir.

Thanks, make me feel a lot less about myself.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
So help me to get straight. You guys hunting cougar by your self? And calling cat to come at you not decoy? Thanks

Yessir.

Thanks, make me feel a lot less about myself.

Just go for it.  You probably wont get eaten. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 05:22:00 PM
Those are cougar tracks, good chance you might see the cat when it comes back to the kill, if it hasn't been spooked out of the area, right before dark in the evening is an excellent time, the sooner you can get on the cat the better, I'm thinking your local coyotes will clean up that kill quickly since it's not hidden.

Do you think I should call,or just sit on that kill site.Snow is three days old , and only the one set of cougar tracks .But a lot of bobcat ,looked like a whole litter of bobcat been going to it the past three days.
Hopefully your sitting on it, I wouldnt call just sit and wait. Little late now I guess, hopefully your skinning it!

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 29, 2019, 05:37:00 PM
Those are cougar tracks, good chance you might see the cat when it comes back to the kill, if it hasn't been spooked out of the area, right before dark in the evening is an excellent time, the sooner you can get on the cat the better, I'm thinking your local coyotes will clean up that kill quickly since it's not hidden.

Do you think I should call,or just sit on that kill site.Snow is three days old , and only the one set of cougar tracks .But a lot of bobcat ,looked like a whole litter of bobcat been going to it the past three days.
Hopefully your sitting on it, I wouldnt call just sit and wait. Little late now I guess, hopefully your skinning it!

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Oh, I'd call on it. Definitely. Submissive cougar vocals, like the whistle. Nothing aggressive, but definitely vocals, and I'd definitely call. Nearby, not right on it.
    Looks like tons of predator pressure in the area, it might not hang around. But it's a good opportunity right away, and if you go in and set up right, calling won't blow anything, it'll just speed things along!


Also, on the fawn bleat, several of the loud voice double reeds make a great fawn bleat, especially the way I blade the first reed over the second one, but you have to blow it gently and mournfully. Same exact reed makes a great raspy panicky loud distress when you go crazy on it!

Liter pic is definitely a lion, but a smaller one... unless it's a big bic! Tiny spots of blood in the tracks is kinda common in snow. Weird, I know, but it's not unusual at all.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 29, 2019, 05:44:20 PM
 I wish I was skinning it.Like said followed tracks to where they left public land.I will be heading back there at first light .Maybe I will do both ,first sit on it a few hour at dawn,then if nothing seen I will move like a 1/4 mile away and see if I can bring something to me sounds like I better spend most of the day.I will see if I can take a different approach some snow was a little crunchy.Try to take it quiet going in.I have some cougar sounds on my Fox pro but no sure if that would be any good.I do have some hand calls for the fawn bleat.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 29, 2019, 06:32:19 PM

Sounds encouraging:) Now I need couples hand calls to cover cougar/bear/yote and learn how to use them :) ;)
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 29, 2019, 06:35:51 PM
So help me to get straight. You guys hunting cougar by your self? And calling cat to come at you not decoy? Thanks

Yessir.

Thanks, make me feel a lot less about myself.

Just go for it.  You probably wont get eaten.


Sounds encouraging :) Now I need couples hand calls to cover cougar/bear/yote and learn how to use them :) ;)

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on December 29, 2019, 07:17:49 PM

Sounds encouraging:) Now I need couples hand calls to cover cougar/bear/yote and learn how to use them :) ;)

Just read bearpaw's 2019 thread. They climb trees just to check under cougar skirts. Don't try that at home kids.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 30, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
Please advise
Where to get info/learn how to call? And who makes best calls?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 30, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
Please advise
Where to get info/learn how to call? And who makes best calls?

Good place to start reading here.  http://www.rain-shadow.com/prod03.htm

As for which calls to use, any predator call can work.  I like calls from rainshadow, bearmanric (called my first cougar in with one of his calls) and turkeyrivercalls.com
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 30, 2019, 02:53:13 PM
Damn, getting ready to head to idaho tomorrow and cant find my huntonx chip for my gps.  Its always been in my center console.. maybe i tossed it on accident while cleaning my truck.  Hope the cabelas in post falls has one in stock.  I know i saw the chips the last time i was there, but that was several years ago.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 30, 2019, 03:20:55 PM
Please advise
Where to get info/learn how to call? And who makes best calls?

Good place to start reading here.  http://www.rain-shadow.com/prod03.htm

As for which calls to use, any predator call can work.  I like calls from rainshadow, bearmanric (called my first cougar in with one of his calls) and turkeyrivercalls.com
Thank you for heads up. I send e-mail to RR.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 30, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
I got 2 myself and bought others as gifts, his calls are good

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on December 30, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
My dad went out for a drive in the mountains Saturday and found fresh cougar tracks. He said the tracks looked confusing and there was possibly 2. I went out sunday morning to see if I could make sense of it and try to call one in. I found the tracks, but by the time I was up there, it was raining and 43 degrees so the snow was melting and the tracks were now around 24 hours old. It took a while to make sense but it was definitely 2 cats, roughly the same size. the stride was about 36" so not very big. They looked like they were hunting deer. There were deer tracks that were going down the road. First they would go uphill, then downhill of the road. They were traveling down zig zagging near the road. the cats were walking down the road and there was one spot where one of them left the brush and was leaping. You could see both hind leg tracks with the fronts just outside of them but right infront of them making almost a square. then 15 ft of nothing and the same print then another 15 ft. That was the first time I've seen that, so it was pretty cool.
   The snow level is too high here so there were no fresh tracks to be found, but I made a stand downhill where my sound could cover the entire mountain side. Nothing came in. Pretty typical for being a day too late. I've been out quite a few times, but mainly just waiting for some good snow. Nothing exciting happening yet.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
Damn, getting ready to head to idaho tomorrow and cant find my huntonx chip for my gps.  Its always been in my center console.. maybe i tossed it on accident while cleaning my truck.  Hope the cabelas in post falls has one in stock.  I know i saw the chips the last time i was there, but that was several years ago.

they getting the snow we getting up here it's gonna be a sketchy hunt


I was out early this AM and it snowed way too much to see anything, if there was a track it was covered up in an hour


I still tried, but I needed the snowmobile.   Hope 105 101 stay open but I think my season my be over tomorrow  :'(

for WA anyways.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on December 31, 2019, 02:05:05 PM
Didn't make it out today too much snow plowing to do.
Wish I could go tommorow.I'm sure 121,or 117 will be closed.I'm going to mix a monster engery tea+lemonade+tequila at about 11 or 11:30 kiss my wife at 12 then check cougar quotas at 12:01 and get drunk cause I won't be able to go hunt cougar no more.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Blowing sideways up here(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191231/9da15a40dee961f5bf048c17b94c122d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191231/d083bad93801d658767aa3aad6e59bfe.jpg)

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on December 31, 2019, 04:13:01 PM
101,105, 113, 117 open.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on December 31, 2019, 04:55:15 PM
So, when you handcall a cougar, what average
 distance they appear? Thank you
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
Bango likes to call in the brush,  I like clear cuts as pictured up above.   Bango's got 2 in 2 years,  I got none.   

Ima start calling in the brush too  :chuckle:

They get close that way
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 01, 2020, 10:40:34 AM
So, when you handcall a cougar, what average
 distance they appear? Thank you


Check the call-in story page... it's often very close! They come from wherever, but you seeing them before they're in your lap is another thing!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on January 02, 2020, 05:38:07 AM
So, when you handcall a cougar, what average
 distance they appear? Thank you


Check the call-in story page... it's often very close! They come from wherever, but you seeing them before they're in your lap is another thing!
I have to learn how to handcall, then I might have chance on wet side to call one.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 02, 2020, 03:56:31 PM
I added a second Non-Calling Cougar hunting story today.

NC2, a calling trip that turned into a spot and stalk before the call made the first cry!

 http://www.rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm



Please send me stories! Anything without hounds!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on January 02, 2020, 04:27:59 PM
I added a second Non-Calling Cougar hunting story today.

NC2, a calling trip that turned into a spot and stalk before the call made the first cry!

 http://www.rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm



Please send me stories! Anything without hounds!

Stories are awesome! Canít wait to get your calls and learn how to use it.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 03, 2020, 10:50:19 AM


http://www.rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm


Just posted story # A25

Great experience getting stalked!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on January 04, 2020, 03:34:14 PM
I got the red one. Turkey river calls. Gorgeous wood and a great sound.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2020, 03:46:29 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on January 07, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
Thank you @rainshadow1

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on January 09, 2020, 09:48:59 PM
I wondering what guns you guys use for cougar hunting?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jingles on January 09, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
22-250 here pushing 65 gr SBT
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 09, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
I like the idea of a deer cartridge. Possibly with varmint bullets, but I like a little thump to it... just in case! I shot one with a 223, I wouldnít do it on purpose again. Iíd do it, but id prefer the 243 any day of the week.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: MADMAX on January 10, 2020, 05:00:56 AM
.223 to the head drops them right now
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 10, 2020, 07:47:43 AM
I like the idea of a deer cartridge. Possibly with varmint bullets, but I like a little thump to it... just in case! I shot one with a 223, I wouldnít do it on purpose again. Iíd do it, but id prefer the 243 any day of the week.

Whst size / type bullet did you use from the .223, and at what range?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 10, 2020, 07:48:45 AM
.223 to the head drops them right now

Be a shame to bust up the skull though.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 10, 2020, 08:16:20 AM
Took the 300WSM last weekend. Wanted something stainless for a wet day and in the event of a marginal hit, I like what 30 cals do to deer sized game.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on January 10, 2020, 08:21:35 AM
I'm running .300blk with 110 grain Barnes off the shelf rounds. Just waiting for snow this week to get out and see if my scope fogs up.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: headshot5 on January 10, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
With a 223, I'd be shooting 60 grain partitions or 64 grain Nolser bonded solid base.  You don't have to worry about splashes.  Plenty of penetration, bullets mushroom perfectly, and you can push them at 2900-3000 in a .223/556.

On a side note they also work great in a 22-250. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: MADMAX on January 10, 2020, 08:28:05 AM
.223 to the head drops them right now

Be a shame to bust up the skull though.

dont recall the size probably 55 gr, not too bad on the skull in above the eye and out the back
I cleaned it myself in a maggot bucket and a 2 minute boil , pick and weak bleach solution to finish
then 2 weeks on roof, then glued the teeth back in
I'll get it down some day from a high inside window sill and snap a picture
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 10, 2020, 08:38:55 AM
Took the 300WSM last weekend. Wanted something stainless for a wet day and in the event of a marginal hit, I like what 30 cals do to deer sized game.

I wouldnt even call cougars deer sized game.  An adult female youre looking at the 100lb range.  150lb is a good mature tom.  Id bet most cats people kill here in wa, where no hound hunting doesnt allow selective harvest, are under 120lb.

Ive seen 3 cats hit with a .243, all females, and its been plenty.  One was at 200 yards. 

The one i shot last month left a bigger exit than i expected, 95 grain federal fusion.  Dont know maybe shooting through brush caused the bullet to tumble?  But theres a reason i didnt post an atl pic.  The liver was hanging outside its body attached to a string of visceral fat.  Not pretty.  The extremely close range could have had something to do with that though, i dont know.  Ill be trying out the .556 with heavy bullets next time.  Rifle finally arrived, just waiting on this stupid new background check b.s.  hopefully ill get to test it out on some yotes or a bob before 2020 cougar time.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2020, 08:44:23 AM
My cougar calling gun has been a .44 mag carbine,  I think it would be good medicine and not leave its liver hanging out?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 10, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
My cougar calling gun has been a .44 mag carbine,  I think it would be good medicine and not leave its liver hanging out?

Id think its a good choice.  I had my .357 marlin in the truck that morning and almost grabbed it.  Wish i would have.  Would have been better in thst situation not to have a scope, and it would have been damn cool to take the cat with an iron sight lever gun.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 10, 2020, 08:54:23 AM
Like @Karl Blanchard told me with an impending .338 build, "overkill is underrated"

I'd take anything I had and have. Anything I shoot well will do for a cougar hunt.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 10, 2020, 08:59:33 AM
Well a .300wsm surely wont leave you undergunned
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 10, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
I like the idea of a deer cartridge. Possibly with varmint bullets, but I like a little thump to it... just in case! I shot one with a 223, I wouldnít do it on purpose again. Iíd do it, but id prefer the 243 any day of the week.

Whst size / type bullet did you use from the .223, and at what range?

55 gr Vmax, 50 yards, in the face, but off center so it skipped off and into the shoulder. Bullet did really well, ended up in the opposite hip, but still required a follow up shot 2 hours and 500 yards later.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 10, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
I wondering what guns you guys use for cougar hunting?
22-250, .223, 250-3000
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on January 10, 2020, 10:50:52 AM
Cougars are usually not hard to kill (exceptions noted, as with any animal) but without tracking snow, they can be very hard to find once shot.  Soft feet on moss or duff leave no sign for most of us to follow unless there is a good blood trail.  Use enough gun... and bullet.

IE.  Had a hard time finding a cougar hit on snow with a 30-06 180 gr. CorLokt, side to side through about the last rib.  It left the open snow and ran into forest with only moss and no snow on the ground.  Exit wound plugged by fat.  Ditto on another well hit lion using 7mm mag and Swift Sirocco, hit well and recovered but surprisingly hard to find.

I have gone to .243 with 95 grain Nosler Partitions for my cougar calling.  We can't control the angle of hit on a called cougar but take what shot it gives us.  I want an exit at virtually any body angle but hopefully not too big of an exit.  Others choose an entry hole only with fast expansion inside the body and hopefully a quick kill with no trailing.  YMMV but for me, a ton of overkill beats an ounce of underkill. :)


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on January 10, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
Myself in the off season of deer and elk I always grab my 25\45 for coyotes +cougar but have never shot any coug so by all means no expert.With that said I would use any legal caliber that you shoot the best.That may be your deer rifle or any legal caliber.as long as your sighted in,and ready to drop the hammer it will work.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: kukusya on January 10, 2020, 04:53:28 PM
Thatís what I thought. 7mm rem mag is too big, 7-08 doesn't have scope and Iím selling it, ar not ready yet. Look like weekends I will go out to 454/460 with my ak, will see what I can call in.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: bearpaw on January 12, 2020, 08:33:15 AM
In my experience cats are actually pretty easy to kill, I usually recommend a 223, 243, 30/30, 44 mag, etc, to my hunters, but I'm hunting with hounds and we usually have good shot placement opportunities and worse case scenario we can turn the dogs loose again to find a wounded cougar if we have to, I don't like doing that, we usually track wounded cats ourselves without turning dogs loose again (wounded cats are very hard on hounds).

If you are calling cats, and especially with little or no snow on the ground, tracking a wounded cat that isn't bleeding can be very hard. So I think good advice for callers is "overkill is better than underkill"! I would suggest when calling cats, especially if there is not much snow, use a gun/bullet combination that is going to cause lots of damage and bleeding and hopefully you won't have to track very far.  :twocents:

FYI: A gun that is often overlooked is the 12 gauge with #00 buckshot. There probably won't be much bleeding but at close range that is going to kill anything pretty darn quick and it's quick to point and shoot!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Wsucoug on January 12, 2020, 12:23:58 PM
I shot mine with a 160 grain accubond out of a  7mm this year. Hit it in the neck and had no exit. This was at 30 yards. Dead on the spot.

I would lean towards bullets that shed its energy in the animal. This would be the nosler ballistic tips or accubonds or large caliber v maxes.  I would stay away from the all copper bullets unless I was shooting to break the front shoulders. Chasing an injured cougar in the thick forest, on foot, just sounds miserable.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on January 13, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
I got mine broadside at 16 yards with a .300 wsm. It was too much gun and it was a large tom. The hair is thin, making it hard to patch the holes. If I didnt have a perfect shot, it could have done some serious damage. I tossed the idea around of a .243 being a better cat round, but decided to build an ar15 chambered in 6.5 grendel. Haven't tried it out yet.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on January 13, 2020, 11:37:04 AM
I got mine broadside at 16 yards with a .300 wsm. It was too much gun and it was a large tom. The hair is thin, making it hard to patch the holes. If I didnt have a perfect shot, it could have done some serious damage. I tossed the idea around of a .243 being a better cat round, but decided to build an ar15 chambered in 6.5 grendel. Haven't tried it out yet.
:tup:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 22, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Just posted another Non-Calling Story...

Archery kill! Encounter with a group of 3!

Story # NC3

http://rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 22, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Still a lot of gmus open, no new closures since new years.

  https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on January 22, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
I and a buddy of mine were hunting the same general area separately. We both found tracks from the same cat on the same weekend probably 3 miles apart. The following weekend I hunted sunday and found old tracks but no fresh ones and did a couple of cold stands with no luck. That monday, my buddy went out and cut a real fresh set of tracks. He walked in a ways until he found the tracks coming back the other direction where they turned to his right. He followed them to a torn up spot in the snow and found blood and a gut pile buried in snow limbs and dirt. In hind site, he should have backed out a ways and set up to call. He decided to follow a drag mark up and over a hill where he found a complete elk buried. You could only see the hind legs and an eyeball poking through the dirt. I will share pics later. He then backed off and tried to call. nothing showed up. He got a hold of me and we set up 200-300 yards away in some big timber and called for 95 minutes with no luck. Then we checked the kill and found out the cat had not been back. We put 2 trail cameras on it and left it undisturbed. Two days later he returned alone and did the same thing with no luck. No return. We tried the same thing saturday and again, nothing. We started looking over his pictures and determined the cat way laying next to the kill and he more than likely bumped the cat. We haven't been back since saturday. He will be going back saturday to call and look at the cameras. Then put fresh batteries in just to catch the scavengers. At this point I believe it's a lost cause.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 22, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
It might drop by to check it, but it's not there tending it anymore. They're easy to push off. (They let wolves run them off, I've seen video.)
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Idabooner on January 23, 2020, 07:58:25 AM
It might drop by to check it, but it's not there tending it anymore. They're easy to push off. (They let wolves run them off, I've seen video.)

I have watched wolves run a cat from it's kill 3 times, two times easy, and one time 4 wolves and one mother cat with two yearling   cubs, that one fought the wolves for a few minutes then give up and ran, the wolves took the kill (deer)100 feet then ate it all.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7t9cobra on January 23, 2020, 08:03:44 AM
I also found a dead doe with a couple tiny incisions amd a fawn next to it that was decapitated along sode a logging road. A truck driver saw a cougar running from that spot. It never came back and I watched the two deer bloat and rot over the next two weeks. I was working just up the road. It happened early Monday morning amd I can only assume the truck traffic that week kept the cat away
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 23, 2020, 09:21:28 AM
Just posted another one from SD...

RS20, has some good details from a guy who's getting it dialed in!

Hope to post a photo as well, but not up yet...


http://www.rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on January 29, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
Updated.  105 is now closed.  https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on January 29, 2020, 03:55:57 PM
Updated.  105 is now closed.  https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/big-game/cougar

bummer,  but I can't cry about it this year.

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on February 05, 2020, 02:14:22 PM
Email from NWWG regarding the surveys they made and the upcoming WDFW cougar proposal:

We have received many comments on our survey regarding the number of cougars, the public safety issue and incidents or encounters, and the devastating effect they are having on our whitetails, elk and moose.  The Options for Cougar Management the Department presented we believe will have almost no effect on cougar population and is available for public

comment from February 6 through the 26th.   We understand the 7 or 8 options in the released version has been pared down to 4.  Regardless, it likely will provide very little relief to what we are experiencing.


If you are sick and tired of what is happening you must make yourself heard.  To all of you that voiced your opinion on our survey would you please do the same during this public comment period.  To the rest of you, now is the chance for the Department and the Commission to see just what is happening here, not what they are being told by Department personnel.  Click on the link below to access the WDFW website and submit your comment.



This is an absolute necessity.  We cannot change the trajectory of the misguided policies of WDFW without making our voices heard.  It has to be more than just a few people, we need a whole bunch.  If you have not done anything but gripe about it then you are not doing anything to fix it.  Send a comment, it can be one line, two is better and more is great, just do it.


70+% of you are saying you have thought about or already are not, buying a big game license.  If we do not get any change, or very little as the Department is proposing, then the deer hunting in NE Washington is finished.  Again, it cannot be stressed enough, it is imperative that we bury them in comments.  Put on your armor and grab your sword, OK, your pen, and join the battle.


https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/season-setting.

NWWG Board
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: idaho guy on February 05, 2020, 02:34:06 PM
Cougars are usually not hard to kill (exceptions noted, as with any animal) but without tracking snow, they can be very hard to find once shot.  Soft feet on moss or duff leave no sign for most of us to follow unless there is a good blood trail.  Use enough gun... and bullet.

IE.  Had a hard time finding a cougar hit on snow with a 30-06 180 gr. CorLokt, side to side through about the last rib.  It left the open snow and ran into forest with only moss and no snow on the ground.  Exit wound plugged by fat.  Ditto on another well hit lion using 7mm mag and Swift Sirocco, hit well and recovered but surprisingly hard to find.

I have gone to .243 with 95 grain Nosler Partitions for my cougar calling.  We can't control the angle of hit on a called cougar but take what shot it gives us.  I want an exit at virtually any body angle but hopefully not too big of an exit.  Others choose an entry hole only with fast expansion inside the body and hopefully a quick kill with no trailing.  YMMV but for me, a ton of overkill beats an ounce of underkill. :)
   
 :yeah:
I used to shoot a lot of lions over my dogs with a 22-250 and we can and have killed them with 22 mags. That being said I started packing my 45-70 lever action because its open sights and I like lever guns. I bought the gun for hound hunting bears but once I took the 45-70 it has become the staple. I like the cat to come out DEAD and have had lots of experience with them coming out not quite dead and its usually a crap show. A 45-70 is a completely ridiculous amount of overkill to shoot a lion and I really like it that way  :chuckle: I took my taxidermist out this year and he got a really nice tom that I treed and he shot it with a 44mag lever gun. He will be doing a life size on it that's what good taxidermist do is patch holes. I think if I had a lever 30-30 that would be my go to lion gun. You can kill lions with the smallest of calibers but why?? I agree overkill is underrated.   
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on February 05, 2020, 02:36:14 PM
Cougars are usually not hard to kill (exceptions noted, as with any animal) but without tracking snow, they can be very hard to find once shot.  Soft feet on moss or duff leave no sign for most of us to follow unless there is a good blood trail.  Use enough gun... and bullet.

IE.  Had a hard time finding a cougar hit on snow with a 30-06 180 gr. CorLokt, side to side through about the last rib.  It left the open snow and ran into forest with only moss and no snow on the ground.  Exit wound plugged by fat.  Ditto on another well hit lion using 7mm mag and Swift Sirocco, hit well and recovered but surprisingly hard to find.

I have gone to .243 with 95 grain Nosler Partitions for my cougar calling.  We can't control the angle of hit on a called cougar but take what shot it gives us.  I want an exit at virtually any body angle but hopefully not too big of an exit.  Others choose an entry hole only with fast expansion inside the body and hopefully a quick kill with no trailing.  YMMV but for me, a ton of overkill beats an ounce of underkill. :)
   
 :yeah:
I used to shoot a lot of lions over my dogs with a 22-250 and we can and have killed them with 22 mags. That being said I started packing my 45-70 lever action because its open sights and I like lever guns. I bought the gun for hound hunting bears but once I took the 45-70 it has become the staple. I like the cat to come out DEAD and have had lots of experience with them coming out not quite dead and its usually a crap show. A 45-70 is a completely ridiculous amount of overkill to shoot a lion and I really like it that way  :chuckle: I took my taxidermist out this year and he got a really nice tom that I treed and he shot it with a 44mag lever gun. He will be doing a life size on it that's what good taxidermist do is patch holes. I think if I had a lever 30-30 that would be my go to lion gun. You can kill lions with the smallest of calibers but why?? I agree overkill is underrated.

Roger, my taxi has performed some miracle work in that regard  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: idaho guy on February 05, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
Cougars are usually not hard to kill (exceptions noted, as with any animal) but without tracking snow, they can be very hard to find once shot.  Soft feet on moss or duff leave no sign for most of us to follow unless there is a good blood trail.  Use enough gun... and bullet.

IE.  Had a hard time finding a cougar hit on snow with a 30-06 180 gr. CorLokt, side to side through about the last rib.  It left the open snow and ran into forest with only moss and no snow on the ground.  Exit wound plugged by fat.  Ditto on another well hit lion using 7mm mag and Swift Sirocco, hit well and recovered but surprisingly hard to find.

I have gone to .243 with 95 grain Nosler Partitions for my cougar calling.  We can't control the angle of hit on a called cougar but take what shot it gives us.  I want an exit at virtually any body angle but hopefully not too big of an exit.  Others choose an entry hole only with fast expansion inside the body and hopefully a quick kill with no trailing.  YMMV but for me, a ton of overkill beats an ounce of underkill. :)
   
 :yeah:
I used to shoot a lot of lions over my dogs with a 22-250 and we can and have killed them with 22 mags. That being said I started packing my 45-70 lever action because its open sights and I like lever guns. I bought the gun for hound hunting bears but once I took the 45-70 it has become the staple. I like the cat to come out DEAD and have had lots of experience with them coming out not quite dead and its usually a crap show. A 45-70 is a completely ridiculous amount of overkill to shoot a lion and I really like it that way  :chuckle: I took my taxidermist out this year and he got a really nice tom that I treed and he shot it with a 44mag lever gun. He will be doing a life size on it that's what good taxidermist do is patch holes. I think if I had a lever 30-30 that would be my go to lion gun. You can kill lions with the smallest of calibers but why?? I agree overkill is underrated.

Roger, my taxi has performed some miracle work in that regard  :chuckle:
   

 :tup: Never had the taxidermist say we should have used a smaller gun  :chuckle: One big holes easier to fix than 8 small ones
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 27, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Holy smokes! 101 is still open and I bumped into a guy saying heís got a big cougar hanging around his place. Should be a doozy of a hike in on snowshoes to the back side of where he thinks the cougars home is in the rocks but I plan to be in there tomorrow around 7-7:30. We still have snow so hopefully I can cut some tracks and get the call going.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on February 27, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Holy smokes! 101 is still open and I bumped into a guy saying heís got a big cougar hanging around his place. Should be a doozy of a hike in on snowshoes to the back side of where he thinks the cougars home is in the rocks but I plan to be in there tomorrow around 7-7:30. We still have snow so hopefully I can cut some tracks and get the call going.

Sweet score! Take good pictures.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 28, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
I should know not to trust people. Hiked quite a few miles and only cut dog tracks. Found a good perch to call from and had the call down below in a tree and managed to get 3 dogs really riled up. They have to be his as thereís no one else for miles and miles in that spot. No coyotes even howled when I tried some coyote calling back there. I did scare 3 does and a buck came along 5 minutes later, no antlers, grunting, nose to the snow following their tracks. That was pretty cool.

edited to rotate images right side up ~KFhunter
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on February 28, 2020, 12:37:09 PM
looks like cat country, sorry no luck
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on March 17, 2020, 08:05:11 PM
Well, a friend who has never hunted anything wants to give it a shot.  So april 1st we will start hunting lions in 101.  Going to do the hunter ed deferral for him.  2 sets of eyes will double the odds of getting a cat down if one comes in i guess.  Will be pretty crazy if his first kill is a close range lion.  Id rather see him get one than get one myself.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on March 17, 2020, 11:28:24 PM
I work at a hospital, non clinical, and have suddenly found myself working long shifts and off hours. I'll probably have to eat my first ever tag from 2019. I let my wife know that I'm going to be hunting extensively in 2020 and cougar hunting was going to get the attention it needs. I really want to be a good citizen notch a few tags this coming decade.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 20, 2020, 03:17:18 PM
So many guys have asked me about callers and what would be a good unit for a budget, so I thought I'd just mention that today (March 20, 2020 3:15pm) I got an email from gander outdoors saying they had a sale on the FP Banshee for something like $207. That's pretty good...
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on March 31, 2020, 09:25:54 AM
DUMPING snow right now!  Might have great calling conditions in the hills tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 04, 2020, 05:50:17 PM
Not doing so hot in 101 so far.  Think tomorrow i may head to an area in 113 that i know is loaded with deer this time of year, see if my luck changes.  Made 10 calling attempts so far this month.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 13, 2020, 07:01:56 PM
Went out for another round in 101 today.  Nothing worked out.  Got up there and realized id left my wallet at home.  No id, license, tag.  Turned around and got it, drove north again.  Only got 2 calling sessions in.  Left my sunglasses at my first set 1100 ft elevation above my truck.  Decided they lacked the sentimental value to retrieve.  The area i wanted to hunt has had the livin piss logged out of it since i was there last, so much stuff wide open and parklike, not conducive to calling.  Did find one set of lion tracks in the soft muddy road that i think were fresh.  Small cat.  Another day a bust.  And between the last 2 times ive gone out to hunt cats ive hiked 14 miles and not even found a single shed to take home as a consolation prize.  Just on a bit of a losing streak i guess.  15 calling sessions this month, no nothin.  Maybe i do need to go hit 113, might change my luck.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: birdshooter1189 on April 13, 2020, 07:17:58 PM
Bango:  PM sent.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 13, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
Replied
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 02:33:18 PM
Got one with a tracking collar in my back yard
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: nwwanderer on April 14, 2020, 04:00:24 PM
You must be neck deep in WDFW folks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
You must be neck deep in WDFW folks

Guessing its from the predator prey study.  They were collaring deer just down the road from me.  I talked to the people doing it, they said they were having trouble trying to get enough deer collared.  I told them they should have done it 5 years ago when there were still deer in the neighborhood.  Cats and wolves ate em all.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 23, 2020, 06:42:29 PM
Man, april is rough.  20 stands so far with no luck.  Maybe #21 will be the winner.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Yelper Guy on April 23, 2020, 06:47:10 PM
Bango, persistence pays!
I really have respect for you keeping after it.
I've been skunked too many times to count.
 ;)
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 23, 2020, 06:49:06 PM
Man, april is rough.  20 stands so far with no luck.  Maybe #21 will be the winner.

Is that pretty typical this time of year up there?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 23, 2020, 06:55:37 PM
Man, april is rough.  20 stands so far with no luck.  Maybe #21 will be the winner.

Is that pretty typical this time of year up there?

Id say so.  Its a tough time of year for a lot of reasons.  Muddy and snowy roads you cant drive on prohibiting access, first part of the month a lot of their prey is down low around private stuff, so the cats arent really up in the hills much, no fresh snow to find tracks or help you see a sneaker crawling up on ya, where there is snow its old and crunchy and way too loud to sneak on, bright sunny days that arent conducive to calling so that often when i find a spot i would like to call if it was overcast the spot just wont work because of the sun.  Lot going against a guy this time of year.  Plus my home unit is closed so i have to drive further, and of course state lands are closed now which doesnt help.  Calling cats is an exercise in frustration at the best of times.  Right now its a flat out struggle.  Im going to keep trying though, may get dumb lucky soon, who knows?  I am kinda surprised i havent called in a bear yet though  :dunno:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on April 23, 2020, 09:30:28 PM
I changed up my routine some


snuck into a good bench that was logged last winter, had downed trees everywhere so I knew the deer would be hitting that.  There was a sunny, rocky ridge line up above the bench I was on,  so was hoping a cat might be up catching some sun. 

Opened up with a turkey hen yelping,  seconds later I had gobblers sounding off.   I played with the turkeys a good while, them gobbling and me suducing them.   
After the toms lost interest 15 minutes or so later I just watched them mill around a bit as they were hoping to see that hen still.   

Then I did some fawn bleats for a while, turkeys could care less and hung around 



No success,  but I felt the stand could have been good had a cat been nearby and game. 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 23, 2020, 11:15:09 PM




No success,  but I felt the stand could have been good had a cat been nearby and game.

That right there is what makes it so frustrating.  You never know if one is in hearing distance (especially in the spring with no fresh snow to find tracks) and you never know if one may have snuck in, busted you and snuck out.  So set after set with no sighting, and you have to second guess yourself.  Doing something wrong and theyre not responding?  Doing something right but not seeing them respond?  Or just none within earshot?  A guy just has to assume that he is doing things right but hasnt had one hear his calling, or it gets discouraging.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2020, 06:27:40 AM




No success,  but I felt the stand could have been good had a cat been nearby and game.

That right there is what makes it so frustrating.  You never know if one is in hearing distance (especially in the spring with no fresh snow to find tracks) and you never know if one may have snuck in, busted you and snuck out.  So set after set with no sighting, and you have to second guess yourself.  Doing something wrong and theyre not responding?  Doing something right but not seeing them respond?  Or just none within earshot?  A guy just has to assume that he is doing things right but hasnt had one hear his calling, or it gets discouraging.
Keep on it  :tup:
End of season is coming.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Okanagan on April 24, 2020, 07:04:23 AM




No success,  but I felt the stand could have been good had a cat been nearby and game.

That right there is what makes it so frustrating.  You never know if one is in hearing distance (especially in the spring with no fresh snow to find tracks) and you never know if one may have snuck in, busted you and snuck out.  So set after set with no sighting, and you have to second guess yourself.  Doing something wrong and theyre not responding?  Doing something right but not seeing them respond?  Or just none within earshot?  A guy just has to assume that he is doing things right but hasnt had one hear his calling, or it gets discouraging.

An Arizona study I read several years ago said that male cougars have ranges of about 500 sq. miles, females more usually 300 sq. miles.  I'd guess that our west side forest cats cover less ground but that is pure guess.  Anyway, if our sound covers 1 sq. mile (and it rarely does in forest and ridges) then we have one chance in 500 on any given stand to call a tom cougar, 1 chance in 300 for a female.  I also read about 60 sq. mile ranges, and that ups our odds on a stand to one in 60!

Without tracks or sighting, choosing ground that has higher odds of holding a cougar at the moment reduces those odds.   We have called and killed only one with a totally cold call.  I rarely call anymore without some kind of sign to indicate that a cougar is within hearing range, but I'm an arthritic old guy kind of burned out.  Some terrain features up the odds a bit, as does known deer wintering grounds, known cougar travel corridors, etc. but IME a cougar may take from 8 days to a month to come through an area again, except when on a kill. 

It is a way to get out in what many consider the off season, have the woods to ourselves, hunt a lot... and rarely have to skin anything or get our hands dirty!  :)

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 24, 2020, 09:16:10 AM
You have a point there okanagan, but im going to have to be the voice of optimism here and argue that its msybe not quite as hopeless ss you make it sound.  Males larger territories overlap several females territories, and its well documented that females will share territories with other females, especially their own female offspring, and live and raise litters in the same territories, though they dont really interact, they tolerate eachother unlike males.  So while its still a real crapshoot to whether or not a guy is calling within earshot of a cat, a particular area can have a big boss tom and several females that use it, plus those females juvenile offspring that may be legal subadults but not quite out of the area yet, and roaming young males looking for a home could be intruding on the big toms territory.  Also, i think we have a lot higher cougar density here than other places.  So its not as bad as figuring that any one chunk of territory only has one cat that uses it.  But being in the right place at the right time, particularly with no tracking snow and limited gmus etc that are huntable, its definitely a really low odds game.  Cant win if ya dont play though.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: 7mmfan on April 24, 2020, 09:21:53 AM
For you guys that set up e-callers, would it be way to much of a hassle to set up a climbing tree stand to watch from while the call is working? May keep from getting busted and allow for a better view of the area. I know no one wants to haul one of those things around with them all day, but seems like it could up the odds of seeing something without it seeing you.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on April 24, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
For you guys that set up e-callers, would it be way to much of a hassle to set up a climbing tree stand to watch from while the call is working? May keep from getting busted and allow for a better view of the area. I know no one wants to haul one of those things around with them all day, but seems like it could up the odds of seeing something without it seeing you.


I've done it. The time and noise has made me decide not to, but BOY is it nice sitting up there calling!

I was doing it with a treelounge... not a small stand! It was really slow bulky and loud.

Made me do  2+ hour stands, because it was such a nice set up, but I don't do it anymore.

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: MountainTracker on April 24, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
For you guys that set up e-callers, would it be way to much of a hassle to set up a climbing tree stand to watch from while the call is working? May keep from getting busted and allow for a better view of the area. I know no one wants to haul one of those things around with them all day, but seems like it could up the odds of seeing something without it seeing you.


I've done it. The time and noise has made me decide not to, but BOY is it nice sitting up there calling!

I was doing it with a treelounge... not a small stand! It was really slow bulky and loud.

Made me do  2+ hour stands, because it was such a nice set up, but I don't do it anymore.
Iíve thought being up in a tree even a little bit gives the hunter a much better view of what is coming in.  I tend to believe predators donít look up very often.  Iíve personal done this hunting coyotes, climb into a tree or a large down stump.  I can see them coming through the brush easier and they havenít seen me until itís too late.  I know cougars and coyotes respond to prey differently, so that could be the difference in why the technique wouldnít work for cougars?  Saddle hunting maybe, less weight?  Do you guys think cougars look up? Worth the effort?


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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: idaho guy on April 24, 2020, 09:22:25 PM
You have a point there okanagan, but im going to have to be the voice of optimism here and argue that its msybe not quite as hopeless ss you make it sound.  Males larger territories overlap several females territories, and its well documented that females will share territories with other females, especially their own female offspring, and live and raise litters in the same territories, though they dont really interact, they tolerate eachother unlike males.  So while its still a real crapshoot to whether or not a guy is calling within earshot of a cat, a particular area can have a big boss tom and several females that use it, plus those females juvenile offspring that may be legal subadults but not quite out of the area yet, and roaming young males looking for a home could be intruding on the big toms territory.  Also, i think we have a lot higher cougar density here than other places.  So its not as bad as figuring that any one chunk of territory only has one cat that uses it.  But being in the right place at the right time, particularly with no tracking snow and limited gmus etc that are huntable, its definitely a really low odds game.  Cant win if ya dont play though.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: carandc on April 25, 2020, 10:50:09 AM
I'm hunting the SW foothills of Mt. Rainier (Ashford, Elbe, Morton area) so this may be a specific west-side question.

How should I hunt the snow line during late cougar (or during Nov/Dec for that matter)? In other words, do they tend to like to be at lower elevations than the snow line, right around snow line, above the snow line, or anywhere they dang-well please?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: idaho guy on April 25, 2020, 11:02:39 AM
Follow the deer go where they are and you will be in right spot
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: nwwanderer on April 25, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
With wolves around they will be a mile or two from a kill site, without them they are close by.  Source is Wyoming research.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on April 29, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
One day left, im throwing in the towel until after im done deer hunting this fall.  I figure i have better odds of calling in a bear than a cat now, so heading to idaho in the morning, see if i can shake a bear up.  Have to head to alaska on the 5th, would be nice to fill a bear tag first.  Been finding the occasional pile of bear crap in 101 and 117 this week, and some pretty good green grass in some areas.  23 lion stands this month, no takers.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on April 29, 2020, 07:15:08 PM
Wow crazy season this year.  Looking forward to August
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on May 06, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Got one with a tracking collar in my back yard

So apparently this is an old girl, 9-10 years old.  Part of the predator prey study.

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on May 07, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
Ya, looks like the old girl by your backdoor

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2020, 07:47:00 PM
anybody else out trying?  Ive been doing a bit the last couple weeks here and there.  Cant help but feel like im educating them at best.  With the brush full of leaves, grass tall and lion colored, and no snow on the ground i thik it will be a miracle if i manage to call one in and actually see it, sneaky suckers that they are.  Rationally i know i should wait until the snow flies, but i just cant help myself.  :dunno:  sleeping up on notellum ridge tonight, going to get to calling in the morning.  Hoping to get 3 or 4 sessions in.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2020, 07:48:44 PM
okay, actually hoping to get only one session in.  :bfg:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on September 25, 2020, 08:30:55 PM
Iím waiting for at least a heavy frost
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2020, 08:32:30 PM
I figure if i can get lucky and tag one now, ill be able to focus more time on wolf / lion hunting in idaho come winter.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on September 25, 2020, 08:38:31 PM
I figure if i can get lucky and tag one now, ill be able to focus more time on wolf / lion hunting in idaho come winter.
i donít blame ya. If you got time go but I got a farm to run.  Come snow fall things slow down just long enough for a few hunts then I got plowing to do
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2020, 08:39:36 PM
I figure if i can get lucky and tag one now, ill be able to focus more time on wolf / lion hunting in idaho come winter.
i donít blame ya. If you got time go but I got a farm to run.  Come snow fall things slow down just long enough for a few hunts then I got plowing to do

Gimme some eggs!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2020, 08:41:14 PM
and plow my driveway while youre already plowin!
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on September 26, 2020, 07:51:47 AM
:chuckle: 
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2020, 09:12:52 AM
I got two new call in stories, but I wasn't cougar hunting.   I was chasing Elk in Idaho. 

1)  We were going down a gated road and came to a Y intersection,  the road went on to make a big circle around a mountain knob, so you'd end up back at the Y no matter which direction you took.  It was about 2 mile loop. 

We called for Elk at the Y intersection, then continued on taking a right due to wind direction.   Not seeing much for elk sign,  we took a mid afternoon break, ate, and relaxed a bit thinking where we'd scout next.   Then continued on around the loop coming back to that Y from the left side.   Total time is a rough guess, but it was 2+ hours. 

As we passed by the Y we had a cat explode out of the brush just above us on the cut bank and booger out, it was all of about 10 feet away from me.   I found it interesting that the cat came in and hung in the area for so long, then set up an ambush on the side of the road.  Had we been elk, I think it could have had one wind being in the cats face.   It was a huge one. 

2) We were on the upper corner of a cut block where loggers clear cut, then it had grown up a few years.  On the other side of the cutblock it went down into a wallow and had a spring down there, elk travelled through frequently.   We had a moose cow + calf walk within 20-30 feet of us  :chuckle:  so we tossed sticks at her until she left with her calf.   We did some elk calls,  then not getting any response we bugled some.   Still no response.   We decided to wait it out until I couldn't see my pins,  finally it got dark and out came the headlamps.   As we were walking down the cutblock we got about 300 yards and I caught eyes in my headlamp,  I recognized them immediately for cat eyes,  the way the orbs are perfectly round and staring right at you,  deer tend to be half moon shaped, blink and bob a lot,  whereas a cat they're rock steady staring straight at you, and very bright!   It was about 50 yards into the cutblock from our trail we were taking down.   I pulled out my glock and hit it with the weapon light,  that's a 1000 lumen Streamlight TRL-1 HL, and it lit its world up.  You could clearly see it,  I started fast walking towards it and it spun and boogered out, running into stuff as it fled. 

Again, it was 2+ hours from the time we called, to the time we spotted it. 


I think I will adjust my call times!   
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on September 26, 2020, 05:26:24 PM
Got up to hunt at daybreak and started hearing a bunch of atvs and hollerin coming my way.  Forgot, opening weekend of muzzy  :bash:  im staying out of the woods until monday, let the weekend warriors do their thing.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: callturner on September 26, 2020, 05:55:07 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: jasnt on September 26, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
Sounds like a great trip kfhunter.  Next time include a cougar tag with those elk tags.  May have to sit longer after reading this
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on September 26, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
Can I post those, KF?
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on September 27, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
Can I post those, KF?
👍

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: rainshadow1 on October 08, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
Posted! A26 AND A27

http://rain-shadow.com/cougar_callin_stories.htm
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
Anybody out trying yet?  Ive thrown in the towel on idaho, and decided rather than hunt deer in washington this year im going straight to lion calling.  Starting tomorrow.  Hoping to give a big cat a ride home in my rental car.  The thing i signed just said no pets.  :chuckle:  just changed scopes on my lion gun again, happy with this one.  Zeiss conquest v6 1-6◊24, should be just the ticket.  Trying to decide where im going to start tomorrow.  Little rental car cant go the kinds of places my yota could, so my options will be quite limited this year.  Not like a guy needs to get deep to find cats though.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Katmai Guy on November 24, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
Have a line on 2 seen today near curlew, hoping to get after them on friday.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: HillHound on November 24, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
Anybody out trying yet?  Ive thrown in the towel on idaho, and decided rather than hunt deer in washington this year im going straight to lion calling.  Starting tomorrow.  Hoping to give a big cat a ride home in my rental car.  The thing i signed just said no pets.  :chuckle:  just changed scopes on my lion gun again, happy with this one.  Zeiss conquest v6 1-6◊24, should be just the ticket.  Trying to decide where im going to start tomorrow.  Little rental car cant go the kinds of places my yota could, so my options will be quite limited this year.  Not like a guy needs to get deep to find cats though.
Thatís an understatement especially for you. You should just start in your backyard from the looks of a lot of your pictures
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2020, 06:52:03 PM
My property is steep and brushy.  Most of it behind my house is either doghair fir patches or head high tangles of oceanspray.  Not really ideal for calling.  Ive tried a few times though.  Heard a yote howling in the creek across the road this summer middle of the damn day.  Went out to my driveway and howled once, expecting nothing, and the dumb thing crossed the road and ran straight into my neighbors large well manicured lawn broad daylight.  Blew my mind.  Wasnt ready to shoot as i didnt think hed be bold enough to come in like that.  Tried to head pop him (grabbed the closest rifle when i heard him howl which happened to be a .22 wmr.  Figured i better head pop him) and whiffed at 100 yards offhand.  If i thought i actually had half a chance to call him across the road into the wide open mid day id have grabbed a real gun that i could have just center massed him with, without worrying about holdover.  :bash:
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
Snowing, think I'll hit it tomorrow.

Did some scouting tonight seeing where the deer were moving good, I'll cut cat tracks in the morning and make a play


Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
Snowing, think I'll hit it tomorrow.



Huh, not snowing down here.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2020, 09:31:09 PM
It was up here starting about 3000'



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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2020, 09:48:25 PM
Packing my bow too, gonna rattle some then break into a lion stand..

Wish I could pack bow and rifle...hmm, gotta think it through some

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Might just have to arrow a lion

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 24, 2020, 09:58:11 PM
Rattling in a buck and killing it with a bow from the ground.. you better be an absolute ninja.  Id say leave the bow at home and get serious on cats, or haul the bow into a treestsnd and be serious about deer.  Better to do one thing right than 2 things half assed i would think.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2020, 10:15:19 PM
Lol

All true 👍

I was just thinking about the last few bucks I called in and thought I coulda arrowd em

Although one I'm not sure one was far enough away for the arrow to leave the bow, would that be spearing?

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Tracker0721 on November 24, 2020, 10:53:34 PM
I did a set last week and Sunday I went back to the same area and a lion had followed my tracks back down the hill a ways. They looked fresher than my tracks by a day or so, hopefully I didnít call it in and then educate it when I left. Iíve cut a ton of lion tracks this year though.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Scruffy on November 25, 2020, 05:00:11 AM
Looking for some advise.  I just bought a FoxPro Shockwave for calling cougars.  Do you guys cold call much or mainly find some tracks first before calling.  I live in the foothills of western WA and we usually won't get snow until Christmas usually.  The area I am thinking of going has plenty of deer so I am thinking there must be some cats around.

Also for a set up from what I been reading it seems the cougars come to the call from the uphill side of the call.  I was thinking of sitting to the side of the call about 50ish yards away so I can see the up and down hill.  I am assuming a cougar most likely won't approach from the side of the same elevation as the call.  Am I correct in my thoughts of setting up?

I been reading Rain-Shadow's cougar stories and love them, will probably be buying the cougar call files shortly.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 26, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
8.2 miles on my boots today and found tracks from 2 or 3 different cougars.  3 calling sessions, no response as far as i know.  Found a kill with lion tracks all around it, but it was in a terrible place for my purposes.  Tons of bobcat and yote and wabbit tracks everywhere, and some wolf tracks.  Very scarce on the deer and moose tracks.  Predator tracks outnumbered deer so bad, soon theyre just going to be stuck eating eachother to survive.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Scruffy on November 27, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Thanks for the reply Bango, the area I am interested in has deer but quite thick.  I was thinking of setting up on the dge of the thick stuff where I can see.  The thing against me there is no snow there to see track.  I can go to higher elevation where there is snow but not many deer up there.  Are cats more prevalent in higher or lower elevations or more on food supply?

I guess I will have to build experience by trial and error like how I learned to hunt deer.  Just thought I would ask some of you guys that have the knowledge.  Looking for tips not your area, I have plenty of area around my house.

Thanks
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 27, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
Seems the question was directed at me so disclaimer im not an expert.  If you want a bonified expert on cougar behavior maybe @wacoyotehunter can chime in, and @rainshadow really knows his stuff with calling. But ime lions can commonly be found up in the snow where deer are scarce for various reasons.  But as a good general rule more likely to find cats in areas with more cat food
  One cat i called in was up higher in deep snow where most of the deer hang out below.  Theres a draw that is above a deer wintering area and the cats seem to use that draw as a highway to go down and hunt deer.  Always tracks there and ive seen 3 cats there just by random accident.  So went up one time with a friend, set up with me as caller and him as shooter, and 30 minutes in he killed a cat.

As far as your plan to set up where you can see, i think cats are more sneaky and patient than we are, so if youre set up where you can see 100 or 200 yards, i feel youre tipping the odds in the cats favor.  They could sneak in super slow and easy and you wont even see them, but theyll pick you out and be gone.  Better to set up so they cant see you until theyre right on top of you, to increase the odds that youll see them before they bust you, if that makes sense.  These are just my personal thoughts on it, others may disagree.  More than one way to skin a cat for sure.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Scruffy on November 27, 2020, 05:18:04 PM
Thanks for the reply Bango, you may think your not an expert but you know way more than me about cats.  I find that interesting how you seen 3 cats using the same draw as a highway.  Other than a mom and youngins I thought they ran others off.  So basically looking for one cat in 50 to 100 sq miles would be like finding the needle in a haystack.

I have been hunting in WA for 30 yrs and never seen a cougar in the wild  but really wasn't looking either so I am all ears.  The area where the deer hang out is so thick, you can only see about 20 yds at the good spots.  That's why I was thinking of setting up on the edges of it.  It is still treed but just not so thick.  I am looking forward to the adrenaline rush when I see the first one.  Good luck hunting. 👍

Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 27, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
The 1 cat in 50-100 sq miles is nonsense.  Females territories overlap.  They tolerate eachother.  Especially related females.    You can have several adult females using the same area, maybe some of their juveniles hanging around just striking out on their own, a boss tom, maybe some younger intruding tom, who knows what may be passing through.  Even big males territories will overlap to some extent.  I had 3 different adult lions in my backyard the same day not long ago.  A 10 yr old collared female, a 4 year old collared male and another uncollared adult of unknown age or sex.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Scruffy on November 27, 2020, 06:42:13 PM
Several cats, interesting.  How long do you call at a sitting?  From stories I've read seems most limit the calling to about an hour.  Is there a reason to this or is it person preference?
Do you notice if the come from uphill of you and the call more than from the down hill or lateral?

Open to hear others thoughts as well so Bango doesn't get tired of my questions 😁 I appreciate the replies.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Bango skank on November 27, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
Only called in a couple myself but theyve come from downhill.  One slightly downhill, another from a steep downhill angle.  Never called in anything past 30 minutes but if im in a spot that feels good ill go 45 or so.  My thought is that available sneaking cover matters more than uphill / downhill.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: ne kid on November 27, 2020, 07:33:43 PM
We've killed 5 cats on my property in 1 year,and there is one more hanging around. I'm thinking more like a cat every 100 yards.
Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: KFhunter on November 27, 2020, 10:16:51 PM
Well ya, you raise bait lol

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Title: Re: Calling Cougars?
Post by: Scruffy on November 28, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
I ŗm surprised we don't have more cat encounter by me.  A lot of people including me have livestock.  Although this past Aug a new born horse was killed and the cat tried dragging it through the fence.  Cat go away empty hamded.