Bad meeting with USFS officer

[Elkaholic daWg]

 That's how libbie PC greenies want things done.

[Knocker of rocks]

Question to all about this post. We have freedom of speech, but does a LEO have the same rights, while on DUTY, to say what he/she feels like saying, as we do, irregardless of the ticket ? Any LEO on here that can fill us in ?

I don't think that Freedom of Speech applies as a blanket to all people during their time of employment.  What would happen if you worked at McDonalds and greeted people with a big:

Welcome to McDonalds.  Why don't you fat asses *censored* the *censored* off and waddle your *censored* down to Burger King

[CAMPMEAT]

Question to all about this post. We have freedom of speech, but does a LEO have the same rights, while on DUTY, to say what he/she feels like saying, as we do, irregardless of the ticket ? Any LEO on here that can fill us in ?

I don't think that Freedom of Speech applies as a blanket to all people during their time of employment.  What would happen if you worked at McDonalds and greeted people with a big:

Welcome to McDonalds.  Why don't you fat asses *censored* the *censored* off and waddle your *censored* down to Burger King

Obviously if your employed you won't say something like that if your working at McDonalds. I've heard all kinds of " words " come from LEO and I could careless, I doesn't bother me one bit.

[Fishmasterdan]

I realize that the law is the law, but taking dead trees that were probably on the ground anyway, I don't view as "stealing" and certainly don't put on anywhere near the same level as poaching an elk!  I'd think of it more as doing everybody a favor but that's just me...

It's not a question of clearing dead trees. The permits pay for the maintenance of our resources. If we don't get the money through permit sales, we either have to pay higher taxes or we don't get the services. My NW Forest Pass just went up another $5. He's using the resource and you and I are paying the bill. That might be OK with you, but it's not OK with me. He's making my forests cost me more. That's BS. It's a pay to play situation and he didn't. I'm glad that we're now getting $400 instead of the $40 he should've paid in the beginning.

Coming from someone that wants to be in a position of power this is shocking. Shouldn't we be trying to eliminate ridiculous rules and laws, and stop nickle and dimeing our citizens?? Permits to use OUR own lands should be abolished, Forest passes to use OUR own lands should be abolished. What resource is he stealing from you?? Living trees for harvest is what we (the people) have invested in not dead snags. Profit making from OUR resource's should be paying our bills, not punishing OUR citizens for trying to stay warm. I do agree to give him a ticket for breaking the law but our people in power should be trying to eliminate stupid laws. There should not be a permit for wood gathering unless its is for profit period. It like saying I can't use the dead lawn clippings from my lawn for composting. That dead grass is OUR resource!!!

[Special T]

The Tinder Box: How Politically Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S. Forest Service by Christopher Burchfield (Feb 28, 2012)

I have read this book and it documents what Campeat, Big Tex and other have said about the USFS.  The USFS USED to be a shining example of how a gov agency could be run. It is now a hollow shell of its once great role. 

[Jingles]

So what you're saying is they are doing away with the good ole boy network? Bout time

[CAMPMEAT]

Someone sent a letter into our little paper in Republic complaining about our USFS cop about his nonability to be nice to people up here. It's in the Ferry County View. He's a Kalifornia transplant with an attitude it looks like....

[Special T]

Jingles, No they are busy hiring unqualified applicants so that they can fill some quotas in the Female and minority columns. Promoting people to Fire boss who don't have the first clue about what they are doing. The book is well documented and not just a sarcastic hit piece. I'm not sure if hiring based on experience and from within are what you consider the "good ol boy network" but what every they are doing now can't hold a candle to how what they accomplished in the past. 

[Knocker of rocks]

The Tinder Box: How Politically Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S. Forest Service by Christopher Burchfield (Feb 28, 2012)

Sounds like a great book, KCLS and Sno-Isle don't seem to have it

[Special T]

You think they would have something that rails against PC in the title?  You can get it on amazon..

[logger]

I think I will order a couple dozen and hand em out to the contracting officers I have to deal with for christmas, they are nice enough people, but man the ideas they come up with just leave you wondering wtf!!!!

[Elkaholic daWg]

So what you're saying is they are doing away with the good ole boy network? Bout time

 For the "Good ol' (libbie) Girl" network?  You May want to read this if you really feel that way.

The Tinder Box: How Politically Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S. Forest Service by Christopher Burchfield (Feb 28, 2012)

I have read this book and it documents what Campeat, Big Tex and other have said about the USFS.  The USFS USED to be a shining example of how a gov agency could be run. It is now a hollow shell of its once great role. 

[logger]

The Tinder Box: How Politically Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S. Forest Service by Christopher Burchfield (Feb 28, 2012)

I have read this book and it documents what Campeat, Big Tex and other have said about the USFS.  The USFS USED to be a shining example of how a gov agency could be run. It is now a hollow shell of its once great role. 

  got the book today and so far I am very impressed!!! thanks for the recomendation.

[Special T]

It took me several months to read. I could only read it for 15 min or so because i would want to pound my head against the wall so bad. I would reiterate that this book is about the USFS, but it illustrates what has happened in nearly every Gov agency.  This PC and EO stuff is not just the fault of democrats. Republicans like George Bush SR thought is was a good idea as well... I have talked to LEO's About their experience with "Dual standards" in their department and it runs very similar to this book.

[seansfire]

you really want a laugh try meeting the 80 pound dipstick that patrols the gate to staircase by lake cushman. wow. twig with a badge and either a huge chip on his shoulder or small man syndrome.