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I was and still am against the Boykins being in the AKC registry. This opened the door for folks to put the dogs in the show ring instead of the field. People will exploit the looks of the dog for thier own benifit.This is one reason i try and sell my pups only to hunters. Too many people love the looks of Boykins and want one for that purpose only. I often talk people out of it, unless i have a pup that just doesnt seem to have "it". I have relatives who show dogs, and they even say some of the breeds no longer resemble what they used to look like. As for pointers, i know little about them. But i have seen some GSP's at dog show in Portland, and i dont think any of them would know a bird if it stood on its nose. They seemed distraught. Not what i see in the fields.
Quote from: Happy Gilmore on December 17, 2013, 10:10:53 AMfor the sake of argument, dogs with poor hip scores can go their entire lives and not be diagnosed with dysplasia. OFFA scores do not mean the dog is going down or can't run. Furthest from the truth. The score simply is a measurement of the orientation of the socket to the joint. A dog with a poor score can easily run for hours without showing any sign of dysplasia. It could run it's whole life. Where that comes into play, is when it is never tested, gets bred a whole bunch and it's offspring get bred and nobody is doing it because, "It ran fine for hours".... That is where many pointer breeders are off. Lab breeders felt the same way about CNM and PRA. My dog never shown signs of it and he's an FC. Breed away. Then, you start getting a few blind puppies showing up, nervous system issues etc. GSP's are no different or, many pointing breeds for that matter.I think the problem with that argument is history. In the last 50 years it's not hard to see who has produced more dogs with horrifically dysplastic hips. Prancing around a show ring doesn't really show a lot of the flaws in a dog's gait nor does it demonstrate just how well a dog can take the day in, day out, ground pounding that a trial dog does.Look, I'm not disagreeing with your underlying argument here. But a pointing dog with bad hips is going to have a hard time winning at the highest levels and is going to have a hard time with the physical conditioning that goes on. Bad hips lead to bad gait which directly affects a dog's endurance...and if pointing dog trials are about anything over and above finding and pointing birds, it is endurance.Where the danger appears is with backyard breeders. Guys breeding winning trial dogs have an eye for what they want. They aren't just slamming two champions together randomly. On that level I think you are correct. The farther removed you get from competition the more you can run into problem breedings. Some people like to stay away from up close trial dog breedings because they think they'll avoid a dog that runs over to the next county, in some cases that's fair, but it also raises the odds of getting a genetic frankenstein if a person doesn't know who and what they are dealing with.
for the sake of argument, dogs with poor hip scores can go their entire lives and not be diagnosed with dysplasia. OFFA scores do not mean the dog is going down or can't run. Furthest from the truth. The score simply is a measurement of the orientation of the socket to the joint. A dog with a poor score can easily run for hours without showing any sign of dysplasia. It could run it's whole life. Where that comes into play, is when it is never tested, gets bred a whole bunch and it's offspring get bred and nobody is doing it because, "It ran fine for hours".... That is where many pointer breeders are off. Lab breeders felt the same way about CNM and PRA. My dog never shown signs of it and he's an FC. Breed away. Then, you start getting a few blind puppies showing up, nervous system issues etc. GSP's are no different or, many pointing breeds for that matter.
Again, "the past 50 years" type justification for not doing it is not science, it's fiction.
That's because pointing dog trials naturally weed out unhealthy dogs. Good luck laying down a solid hour with bad hips or a bad heart. Other trial venues do nothing to test the stamina or physical ability of a dog, and thus unhealthy dogs can actually win. That's why AF doesn't need to post a "standard" either. A largely oversized or undersized dog will never be able to compete.
It's still an AKC event! Otherwise it would be the "host club" event! It's no different than the American Brittany Club Championships that are held by differnt host clubs. The ribbons, trophys, and checks all come from the ABC, but the events are hosted by different clubs.
Quote from: jetjockey on December 17, 2013, 03:23:41 PMIt's still an AKC event! Otherwise it would be the "host club" event! It's no different than the American Brittany Club Championships that are held by differnt host clubs. The ribbons, trophys, and checks all come from the ABC, but the events are hosted by different clubs. You don't really know much about AKC events and its showing.
Quote from: Happy Gilmore on December 17, 2013, 03:25:40 PMQuote from: jetjockey on December 17, 2013, 03:23:41 PMIt's still an AKC event! Otherwise it would be the "host club" event! It's no different than the American Brittany Club Championships that are held by differnt host clubs. The ribbons, trophys, and checks all come from the ABC, but the events are hosted by different clubs. You don't really know much about AKC events and its showing.I thought you said the AKC doesn't put on events?
