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Quote from: TriggerMike on September 13, 2019, 02:34:17 PMQuote from: Tbar on September 13, 2019, 02:22:32 PMQuote from: TriggerMike on September 13, 2019, 01:45:09 PMhttps://www.yakimaherald.com/sports/outdoors/troubling-decline-falling-elk-populations-bring-hunting-reductions/article_f8725d29-b19e-503d-af9a-0c1c18054831.htmlFull article at the link above but two specific paragraphs in this that were the biggest takeaways for me are:1.) "Local Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz said no studies have been done on area calves and researchers don’t know why their survival numbers are historically low. Until that trend reverses, hunters must pay the price with fewer permits available and shortened seasons for archers."Why have no studies been done on this?2.) "Bernatowicz noted hunters could also see negative effects from a pair of factors outside their control. Access to the Yakima Training Center will be limited this fall by heavy training activity, and unofficial reports from one tribe show total tribal harvest may be exceeding the number of new branched bulls in the herd, according to the wildlife department."So the tribe is self reporting that they're literally killing off the bulls? Killing more bulls then are being recruited as calves each year. Wow. Also the Colockum herd has declined as well. They're currently at 4,133 elk up there and the WDFW's goal is 6,000.The colockum was an intentional herd reduction. I believe they reduced their objectives as well....According to the hunting prospects that were published last week, both herds are below their population objectives. And just a few years ago the Colockum herd was over 6,000 elk.https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/02103/district_8_hunting_prospects_2019.pdfThe population objective was 6500 they reduced the objective to 4500 and still over killed the animals. It was a targeted reduction by the department to adress social tolerance. You seem to know all so I'll stop.
Quote from: Tbar on September 13, 2019, 02:22:32 PMQuote from: TriggerMike on September 13, 2019, 01:45:09 PMhttps://www.yakimaherald.com/sports/outdoors/troubling-decline-falling-elk-populations-bring-hunting-reductions/article_f8725d29-b19e-503d-af9a-0c1c18054831.htmlFull article at the link above but two specific paragraphs in this that were the biggest takeaways for me are:1.) "Local Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz said no studies have been done on area calves and researchers don’t know why their survival numbers are historically low. Until that trend reverses, hunters must pay the price with fewer permits available and shortened seasons for archers."Why have no studies been done on this?2.) "Bernatowicz noted hunters could also see negative effects from a pair of factors outside their control. Access to the Yakima Training Center will be limited this fall by heavy training activity, and unofficial reports from one tribe show total tribal harvest may be exceeding the number of new branched bulls in the herd, according to the wildlife department."So the tribe is self reporting that they're literally killing off the bulls? Killing more bulls then are being recruited as calves each year. Wow. Also the Colockum herd has declined as well. They're currently at 4,133 elk up there and the WDFW's goal is 6,000.The colockum was an intentional herd reduction. I believe they reduced their objectives as well....According to the hunting prospects that were published last week, both herds are below their population objectives. And just a few years ago the Colockum herd was over 6,000 elk.https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/02103/district_8_hunting_prospects_2019.pdf
Quote from: TriggerMike on September 13, 2019, 01:45:09 PMhttps://www.yakimaherald.com/sports/outdoors/troubling-decline-falling-elk-populations-bring-hunting-reductions/article_f8725d29-b19e-503d-af9a-0c1c18054831.htmlFull article at the link above but two specific paragraphs in this that were the biggest takeaways for me are:1.) "Local Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz said no studies have been done on area calves and researchers don’t know why their survival numbers are historically low. Until that trend reverses, hunters must pay the price with fewer permits available and shortened seasons for archers."Why have no studies been done on this?2.) "Bernatowicz noted hunters could also see negative effects from a pair of factors outside their control. Access to the Yakima Training Center will be limited this fall by heavy training activity, and unofficial reports from one tribe show total tribal harvest may be exceeding the number of new branched bulls in the herd, according to the wildlife department."So the tribe is self reporting that they're literally killing off the bulls? Killing more bulls then are being recruited as calves each year. Wow. Also the Colockum herd has declined as well. They're currently at 4,133 elk up there and the WDFW's goal is 6,000.The colockum was an intentional herd reduction. I believe they reduced their objectives as well....
https://www.yakimaherald.com/sports/outdoors/troubling-decline-falling-elk-populations-bring-hunting-reductions/article_f8725d29-b19e-503d-af9a-0c1c18054831.htmlFull article at the link above but two specific paragraphs in this that were the biggest takeaways for me are:1.) "Local Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz said no studies have been done on area calves and researchers don’t know why their survival numbers are historically low. Until that trend reverses, hunters must pay the price with fewer permits available and shortened seasons for archers."Why have no studies been done on this?2.) "Bernatowicz noted hunters could also see negative effects from a pair of factors outside their control. Access to the Yakima Training Center will be limited this fall by heavy training activity, and unofficial reports from one tribe show total tribal harvest may be exceeding the number of new branched bulls in the herd, according to the wildlife department."So the tribe is self reporting that they're literally killing off the bulls? Killing more bulls then are being recruited as calves each year. Wow. Also the Colockum herd has declined as well. They're currently at 4,133 elk up there and the WDFW's goal is 6,000.
I think some local bios need to take a walk around the woods. I've spent an absurd amount of time in the hills this year looking for elk and as I predicted, the cuts were very knee jerk. So many elk around and calf numbers are off the charts.
It's hard to manage anything when the rules are so different between the parties involved.
Perhaps another part of the equation. Anyone have a handle on how many deer and elk are poached by non natives.
Alright, there's to much scientific possibilities being presented and that wasn't the purpose of this thread so let's keep this on track. Indians did it, all of it and only the Indians and that's final.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 16, 2019, 12:01:42 PMAlright, there's to much scientific possibilities being presented and that wasn't the purpose of this thread so let's keep this on track. Indians did it, all of it and only the Indians and that's final. Perhaps you could educate all of us on what your allowed to do while the rest of aren't.Seasons,bag limits what rules do you follow when off the rez while hunting and fishing.?.When off rez do the tribes follow rules set by the state to help sustain management objectives?Do the tribes open their doors and allow non -natives to hunt on the rez free of charge?What happens if I get caught hunting on the rez without permission?
Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 16, 2019, 12:01:42 PMAlright, there's to much scientific possibilities being presented and that wasn't the purpose of this thread so let's keep this on track. Indians did it, all of it and only the Indians and that's final. So whats it gonna take for you and your buddies to start running more dogs on cats?The Skagit valley has more than a few Tar Heals we could send you to train you up!
Well when jerky is in demand you need to kill bulls